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	<title>Comments on: Suppression Orders and the Internet</title>
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		<title>By: backster</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632487</link>
		<dc:creator>backster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear of publication of name used to be a major deterrent to the commission of crime. Activism by Judges and pressure from Socialist organisations has largely removed that deterrent. Even worse has been the suppression of otherwise admissible and relevant evidence on the grounds that it might be prejudicial to the defendant.(thats the point of prosecution testimony). The proposals seem to be a step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear of publication of name used to be a major deterrent to the commission of crime. Activism by Judges and pressure from Socialist organisations has largely removed that deterrent. Even worse has been the suppression of otherwise admissible and relevant evidence on the grounds that it might be prejudicial to the defendant.(thats the point of prosecution testimony). The proposals seem to be a step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632475</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MT_Tinman suggests:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Name suppression, among other things, allows the police to be lazy and simply file charges without proper investigation or consideration knowing that they won’t get sued if the charges are not supported by the evidence because the accused had name suppression.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh if &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; that were true!! I&#039;d be writing this from a beach chair in the Bahamas, not on a coffee break between deadlines.

Alas &quot;public officers&quot; including the Police are indemnified from being sued for incompetence, malice or malfeasance in the performance of their duties. Sure you can sue the &lt;i&gt;Crown&lt;/i&gt; and, depending on where you live, you might get some money. New Zealand has been reasonable about paying out, other jurisdictions (most states in Australia, for instance) pay little or nothing.

I believe there is some UN covenant (which Western governments just &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; signing, of course) which actually &lt;i&gt;obliges&lt;/i&gt; governments to compensate the wrongfully accused and imprisoned, but most choose to &quot;overlook&quot; that clause.

Turning around your suggestion, however, I&#039;d strongly support Police and prosecutors being &lt;i&gt;personally&lt;/i&gt; liable where gross incompetence or any hint of malice was detected in their pursuit of a prosecution. It&#039;s called accountability. The rest of the world lives with it, why shouldn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT_Tinman suggests:</p>
<blockquote><p>Name suppression, among other things, allows the police to be lazy and simply file charges without proper investigation or consideration knowing that they won’t get sued if the charges are not supported by the evidence because the accused had name suppression.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh if <i>only</i> that were true!! I&#8217;d be writing this from a beach chair in the Bahamas, not on a coffee break between deadlines.</p>
<p>Alas &#8220;public officers&#8221; including the Police are indemnified from being sued for incompetence, malice or malfeasance in the performance of their duties. Sure you can sue the <i>Crown</i> and, depending on where you live, you might get some money. New Zealand has been reasonable about paying out, other jurisdictions (most states in Australia, for instance) pay little or nothing.</p>
<p>I believe there is some UN covenant (which Western governments just <i>love</i> signing, of course) which actually <i>obliges</i> governments to compensate the wrongfully accused and imprisoned, but most choose to &#8220;overlook&#8221; that clause.</p>
<p>Turning around your suggestion, however, I&#8217;d strongly support Police and prosecutors being <i>personally</i> liable where gross incompetence or any hint of malice was detected in their pursuit of a prosecution. It&#8217;s called accountability. The rest of the world lives with it, why shouldn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632472</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bet anything anyone likes to put up that none of the Law Commissioners have ever been through the expereince of being wrongfully accused of a crime, having their reputations dragged through the media (including not just reportage but commentary from people whose hobby seems to be schadenfreude), and then being told &quot;Whoops, sorry about that&quot; when it all collapses.

Clearly neither have you, DPF, or you could see what&#039;s wrong with a proposal that offers less, not more, protection to such people. Accusations leading to arrest can be made for all sorts of reasons - from incompetence to malice to mistaken identity - and until tested in a court we give lip service to the idea that the accused is still innocent.

But the media have long since abandoned whatever belief they might once have had in that tradition. Now they skirt defamation by ensuring the use of words like &quot;alleged&quot; and &quot;claimed&quot; while the story itself is subliminally (but not subtley) screaming &quot;nudge, nudge, we both know he done it or he wouldn&#039;t have been arrested&quot;. Why else do they often approach neighbours, family members, high school sweethearts and postmen of the accused, who all express surprise that &quot;he done what he did&quot;?

Trouble is, in some cases, he didn&#039;t. As one man accused of a particularly despicable crime, who had the charges dropped by prosecutors once their whole house of cards collapsed, asked the judge who formally acquitted him - &quot;Thanks. Now where do I line up to get my reputation back?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet anything anyone likes to put up that none of the Law Commissioners have ever been through the expereince of being wrongfully accused of a crime, having their reputations dragged through the media (including not just reportage but commentary from people whose hobby seems to be schadenfreude), and then being told &#8220;Whoops, sorry about that&#8221; when it all collapses.</p>
<p>Clearly neither have you, DPF, or you could see what&#8217;s wrong with a proposal that offers less, not more, protection to such people. Accusations leading to arrest can be made for all sorts of reasons &#8211; from incompetence to malice to mistaken identity &#8211; and until tested in a court we give lip service to the idea that the accused is still innocent.</p>
<p>But the media have long since abandoned whatever belief they might once have had in that tradition. Now they skirt defamation by ensuring the use of words like &#8220;alleged&#8221; and &#8220;claimed&#8221; while the story itself is subliminally (but not subtley) screaming &#8220;nudge, nudge, we both know he done it or he wouldn&#8217;t have been arrested&#8221;. Why else do they often approach neighbours, family members, high school sweethearts and postmen of the accused, who all express surprise that &#8220;he done what he did&#8221;?</p>
<p>Trouble is, in some cases, he didn&#8217;t. As one man accused of a particularly despicable crime, who had the charges dropped by prosecutors once their whole house of cards collapsed, asked the judge who formally acquitted him &#8211; &#8220;Thanks. Now where do I line up to get my reputation back?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632422</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Grant – I completely agree. The recent case of the rapper, nay, singer, nay, “entertainer” convicted of sexual offences against a 16yo girl suggests that the playing field has tilted far too far in favour of offenders.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; offence, and a rare and fairly creative one at that (&quot;performing an indecent act with intent to insult&quot;), for a momentary action at 3.30am in an alley, where he seems to have had cause to believe he was getting a consensual blow job from the complainant&#039;s companions. And of which he was discharged without conviction.

Seedy and drunken, certainly, but I&#039;m not surprised the judge was persuaded not to ruin a career over it.

I gather that an original, more serious, charge was withdrawn upon presentation of security camera evidence that showed the offence could not have taken place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Grant – I completely agree. The recent case of the rapper, nay, singer, nay, “entertainer” convicted of sexual offences against a 16yo girl suggests that the playing field has tilted far too far in favour of offenders.</i></p>
<p>Well, <i>one</i> offence, and a rare and fairly creative one at that (&#8220;performing an indecent act with intent to insult&#8221;), for a momentary action at 3.30am in an alley, where he seems to have had cause to believe he was getting a consensual blow job from the complainant&#8217;s companions. And of which he was discharged without conviction.</p>
<p>Seedy and drunken, certainly, but I&#8217;m not surprised the judge was persuaded not to ruin a career over it.</p>
<p>I gather that an original, more serious, charge was withdrawn upon presentation of security camera evidence that showed the offence could not have taken place.</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632371</link>
		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?hpw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia is being sued for publishing the names of two convicted killers.&lt;/a&gt; Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed German actor &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sedlmayr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walter Sedlmayr&lt;/a&gt; in 1990. They were convicted of the crime in 1993 and sentenced to prison, and recently released. Under German law, publishing the name of a criminal after he has served his sentence is considered an undue infringement of privacy, and is illegal. The German Wiki removed the names of the killers off the page discussing the murder but the English language version of wiki, based in the US and operating under the First Amendment, has not. Now the killers&#039; lawyer has sued the Wikimedia foundation to get them to remove the names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?hpw" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia is being sued for publishing the names of two convicted killers.</a> Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed German actor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sedlmayr" rel="nofollow">Walter Sedlmayr</a> in 1990. They were convicted of the crime in 1993 and sentenced to prison, and recently released. Under German law, publishing the name of a criminal after he has served his sentence is considered an undue infringement of privacy, and is illegal. The German Wiki removed the names of the killers off the page discussing the murder but the English language version of wiki, based in the US and operating under the First Amendment, has not. Now the killers&#8217; lawyer has sued the Wikimedia foundation to get them to remove the names.</p>
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		<title>By: tristanb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632369</link>
		<dc:creator>tristanb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the Law Commission have little idea how the internet works. They talk about &quot;ISPs&quot; - I think of Telecom, Orcon, Ihug etc. How many people have their page hosted on a New Zealand ISP? 

Kiwiblog traceroutes to inspire.net.nz, so maybe DPF&#039;s got something to lose, but many will be hosted on google or another overseas server. In the case of the &quot;famous&quot; &quot;musician&quot;, I think Facebook status updates helped spread the word how our 30-something superstar stuck his P in some 16 year old&#039;s cheek. As noted here previously, his Wikipedia page had been altered (although reverted because of the &quot;unverifiable&quot; nature of the claim.) Those changes are still present in the article history.

They state &quot;...fail to block access to it...&quot; - so they want all ISPs to block Facebook and Wikipedia? They&#039;re getting the voluntary &quot;child porn&quot; blocker set up, so it won&#039;t be hard to add whaleoil, kiwiblog, gpforums, punkas, vorb, trademe, googlegroups, wikipedia, facebook, bebo and blogspot to the list. I guess all those pedos arguing &#039;slippery slope&#039; about the nationwide filter were right.

They need legislation stating that blogs and webforums are not news publishers. Blogs and webforums should be treated as private conversation in a public place. News websites can stick to the suppression orders, but it&#039;s unfair to block all avenues of conversation amongst our country&#039;s citizens. We don&#039;t want to become like China (or PC, fundie, trashy Australia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the Law Commission have little idea how the internet works. They talk about &#8220;ISPs&#8221; &#8211; I think of Telecom, Orcon, Ihug etc. How many people have their page hosted on a New Zealand ISP? </p>
<p>Kiwiblog traceroutes to inspire.net.nz, so maybe DPF&#8217;s got something to lose, but many will be hosted on google or another overseas server. In the case of the &#8220;famous&#8221; &#8220;musician&#8221;, I think Facebook status updates helped spread the word how our 30-something superstar stuck his P in some 16 year old&#8217;s cheek. As noted here previously, his Wikipedia page had been altered (although reverted because of the &#8220;unverifiable&#8221; nature of the claim.) Those changes are still present in the article history.</p>
<p>They state &#8220;&#8230;fail to block access to it&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; so they want all ISPs to block Facebook and Wikipedia? They&#8217;re getting the voluntary &#8220;child porn&#8221; blocker set up, so it won&#8217;t be hard to add whaleoil, kiwiblog, gpforums, punkas, vorb, trademe, googlegroups, wikipedia, facebook, bebo and blogspot to the list. I guess all those pedos arguing &#8217;slippery slope&#8217; about the nationwide filter were right.</p>
<p>They need legislation stating that blogs and webforums are not news publishers. Blogs and webforums should be treated as private conversation in a public place. News websites can stick to the suppression orders, but it&#8217;s unfair to block all avenues of conversation amongst our country&#8217;s citizens. We don&#8217;t want to become like China (or PC, fundie, trashy Australia).</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632353</link>
		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet site blocking proposals are just silly, not to mention 1984-ish.  Block Facebook?  Wikipedia?  Twitter?  

Besides, those sites could be accessed anyway by using a proxy server overseas.  Unless of course the government  monitors the content of all internet traffic for signs of illegal activity, which is about the time we should all jump ship for a country with a greater respect for freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet site blocking proposals are just silly, not to mention 1984-ish.  Block Facebook?  Wikipedia?  Twitter?  </p>
<p>Besides, those sites could be accessed anyway by using a proxy server overseas.  Unless of course the government  monitors the content of all internet traffic for signs of illegal activity, which is about the time we should all jump ship for a country with a greater respect for freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632324</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the argument where a high profile persons conviction/name publication would effectively mean a greater punishment than for others doing the same crime. 

But, then they chose to be a high profile person, and should be aware that this is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the argument where a high profile persons conviction/name publication would effectively mean a greater punishment than for others doing the same crime. </p>
<p>But, then they chose to be a high profile person, and should be aware that this is the case.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632297</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Geoffrey Palmer made a comment that suppression orders may be justified in cases where rumors may be damaging.  Surely this is a misprint.  One of the biggest criticisms I have of these orders is they START rumors with all sort of innocent people being accused of something.  They cannot stop the grapevine and frequently cause more harm than good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Geoffrey Palmer made a comment that suppression orders may be justified in cases where rumors may be damaging.  Surely this is a misprint.  One of the biggest criticisms I have of these orders is they START rumors with all sort of innocent people being accused of something.  They cannot stop the grapevine and frequently cause more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632295</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - it took me about ten seconds to find out who the &#039;entertainer&#039; was.  That included time spent sipping coffee.  Suppression is history now.  You cannot get that particular genie back in the bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; it took me about ten seconds to find out who the &#8216;entertainer&#8217; was.  That included time spent sipping coffee.  Suppression is history now.  You cannot get that particular genie back in the bottle.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasbeagle</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632294</link>
		<dc:creator>thomasbeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name suppression is doomed in the Internet enabled world. 

I found out the name of the entertainer on Facebook, Kiwiblog, and Twitter. I wasn&#039;t even looking for it. You can also find details of the offence in the edit history of a certain page on Wikipedia. 

It&#039;s technically impossible to block information of that sort on the Internet (for a start you&#039;d have to disable access to every user-generated content site in the world). We&#039;re just going to have to get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name suppression is doomed in the Internet enabled world. </p>
<p>I found out the name of the entertainer on Facebook, Kiwiblog, and Twitter. I wasn&#8217;t even looking for it. You can also find details of the offence in the edit history of a certain page on Wikipedia. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s technically impossible to block information of that sort on the Internet (for a start you&#8217;d have to disable access to every user-generated content site in the world). We&#8217;re just going to have to get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeE</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632293</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could you have a register of supression orders without that register in itself breaching the supression orders .

[DPF: Heh that is one of the issues. Either you restrict access to it, or you write up the supression orders in the register without naming the person they apply to]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could you have a register of supression orders without that register in itself breaching the supression orders .</p>
<p>[DPF: Heh that is one of the issues. Either you restrict access to it, or you write up the supression orders in the register without naming the person they apply to]</p>
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		<title>By: MT_Tinman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632292</link>
		<dc:creator>MT_Tinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name suppression, among other things, allows the police to be lazy and simply file charges without proper investigation or consideration knowing that they won&#039;t get sued if the charges are not supported by the evidence because the accused had name suppression.

It also allows the slime to do their usual trick of sensationalising the initial charges then dropping all reporting if charges are dropped or the accused ids found not guilty.

Drop ALL name suppression, make it compulsory for media outlets reporting charges to give not guilty or dropped charges the same level of publicity and allow, in exceptional cases only, judges to order total suppression of ALL facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name suppression, among other things, allows the police to be lazy and simply file charges without proper investigation or consideration knowing that they won&#8217;t get sued if the charges are not supported by the evidence because the accused had name suppression.</p>
<p>It also allows the slime to do their usual trick of sensationalising the initial charges then dropping all reporting if charges are dropped or the accused ids found not guilty.</p>
<p>Drop ALL name suppression, make it compulsory for media outlets reporting charges to give not guilty or dropped charges the same level of publicity and allow, in exceptional cases only, judges to order total suppression of ALL facts.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632290</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;it should be an offence for them to fail to remove the information or to fail to block access to it as soon as reasonably practicable

The name of the &quot;kiss my balls&quot; sex offender with name suppression is in the history page of his Wikipedia page. The Law Commission thinks it should be an offense for an ISP to fail to block Wikipedia.

The Internet that we&#039;ll be able to access in NZ is going to be significantly smaller than the one everyone else (&#039;cept Chinese and Saudis) get to access. Even so, it probably won&#039;t be enough to stop us finding out the names of musicians who rub their penises on the faces of 16 year old girls, doctors who fail to use gloves when doing cervical smears, or retired MPs out to defraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;it should be an offence for them to fail to remove the information or to fail to block access to it as soon as reasonably practicable</p>
<p>The name of the &#8220;kiss my balls&#8221; sex offender with name suppression is in the history page of his Wikipedia page. The Law Commission thinks it should be an offense for an ISP to fail to block Wikipedia.</p>
<p>The Internet that we&#8217;ll be able to access in NZ is going to be significantly smaller than the one everyone else (&#8216;cept Chinese and Saudis) get to access. Even so, it probably won&#8217;t be enough to stop us finding out the names of musicians who rub their penises on the faces of 16 year old girls, doctors who fail to use gloves when doing cervical smears, or retired MPs out to defraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Nobody NZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632282</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Nobody NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy, I agree 100% with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy, I agree 100% with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Lineberry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632276</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah Lineberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In view of the lineup of Trades Unionists, National party politicians, &#039;also-ran&#039; Barristers and other non entities (excluding your good self, David, naturally) can I apply for a 100% discount? (someone would pay money to listen to Findlayson!??!?)

Or what about paying me money to attend? ...normally when Collins is working (trying to convince 12 ordinary folk the Police fitup is genuine) they receive lunch and payment.

www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In view of the lineup of Trades Unionists, National party politicians, &#8216;also-ran&#8217; Barristers and other non entities (excluding your good self, David, naturally) can I apply for a 100% discount? (someone would pay money to listen to Findlayson!??!?)</p>
<p>Or what about paying me money to attend? &#8230;normally when Collins is working (trying to convince 12 ordinary folk the Police fitup is genuine) they receive lunch and payment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632269</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant - I completely agree. The recent case of the rapper, nay, singer, nay, &quot;entertainer&quot; convicted of sexual offences against a 16yo girl suggests that the playing field has tilted far too far in favour of offenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant &#8211; I completely agree. The recent case of the rapper, nay, singer, nay, &#8220;entertainer&#8221; convicted of sexual offences against a 16yo girl suggests that the playing field has tilted far too far in favour of offenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Michael McKenna</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632267</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Michael McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the law commission is on the Money on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the law commission is on the Money on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632261</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should we be surprised that the Council for Civil Liberties is opposed to the Law Commission&#039;s recommendation to toughen up name supression laws. It is in the C4CL&#039;s DNA to oppose ANYTHING which might make criminals have to be more accountable for their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should we be surprised that the Council for Civil Liberties is opposed to the Law Commission&#8217;s recommendation to toughen up name supression laws. It is in the C4CL&#8217;s DNA to oppose ANYTHING which might make criminals have to be more accountable for their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: billyborker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/suppression_orders_and_the_internet.html#comment-632259</link>
		<dc:creator>billyborker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What evidence to you have of repeat offending between charge and trial by those with name suppression? Is it greater or lesser than those without name suppression? 

I agree the delay between charge and trial is often too long, but that is a different debate to this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What evidence to you have of repeat offending between charge and trial by those with name suppression? Is it greater or lesser than those without name suppression? </p>
<p>I agree the delay between charge and trial is often too long, but that is a different debate to this one.</p>
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