And the honours are …

December 31st, 2009 at 6:00 am by David Farrar

The full honours list is here.

The top honour of membership of the Order of New Zealand goes to . In some ways, it is no surprise, as former PMs David Lange, Mike Moore and Jim Bolger were also made ONZ, and Don McKinnon also is a member for holding high international office.

So it was inevitable Clark would be made a member, but so soon after she left office will leave a sour taste for many. One right wing friend commented:

What the fuck Farrar?  First a UN appointment now this!!!

Next Key will name a star in her fucking honour and have her face on the new flag.

Personally I’m still more upset by Cullen being appointed to an SOE Board while an MP.

We have one new Dame, and five Knights.

Aucklanders will know Dame Lesley Max well.

Professor Sir is one of the most prominent Maori health professionals.

Sir may not have got the tax breaks he wants for the film industry, but he is now KNZM. He has said this award surpassed winning the Oscars. I suspect he would not have said this, had titles for the top not been restored. I am so pleased the Government did restore titles.

Sir Douglas Myers recognition is long overdue.

Justice Sir Bruce Robertson is a former President of the Law Commission and current Court of Appeal judge.

Finally it is honorary but nice to see recognition of the amazingly generous philanthropy of Sir . Robertson first visited New Zealand in the 1950s to spend a year here writing a novel. He obviously fell in love with it. In May 2009 he announced the donation of $115 million of art to the Auckland Art Gallery – the single largest gift ever in Australasia.

Won’t comment on the entire list, but also worth mentioning former Auditor-General who is made a CNZM. He was the public service at its finest as he stood up to Parliament and insisted that their funding of various pledge cards and the like was illegal.

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67 Responses to “And the honours are …”

  1. reid (16,061 comments) says:

    “Sir Douglas Myers recognition is long overdue.”

    And is a very good example of the underlying vindictive nature of Helen Elizabeth Clark.

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  2. alex Masterley (1,494 comments) says:

    It’ll upset her to be called Dame Helen!
    Given that she did away with titular honours and all.

    [DPF: She isn't. ONZ is non-titular. The top two orders of the NZ Order of Merit have titles]

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  3. Elijah Lineberry (306 comments) says:

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  5. Will de Cleene (485 comments) says:

    The ONZ seems to be turning into the equivalent of Yes Minister’s GCMG in Doing the Honours. God Calls Me God indeed!

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  6. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    “I am not so sure about Myers’ recognition. His commitment to the country is shown by his current residence (overseas). ”

    Unlike Clark?

    “Aucklanders will know Dame Lesley Max well.”

    Never heard of her before today…maybe I need to get out more.

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  7. pdm (842 comments) says:

    A poor call by John Key who has gone down in my estimation.

    Helen Clark was corrupt and now she stands among New Zealands finest – disgraceful.

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  8. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    “Next Key will name a star in her fucking honour and have her face on the new flag.”

    Maybe not, but look out if we ever become a republic – the lickers will have her President for Life before lunch! The strictures on the Papacy not allowing the Caninisation of People until five years after their death is a fine principle, and should apply with force to all Politicians and Political Appointees.

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  9. godruelf (55 comments) says:

    Alex surely it should be Sir Helen and Lady Peter…..

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  10. Sushi Goblin (419 comments) says:

    National’s recognition of Helen Clark with an ONZ was generous, perhaps too generous. But there is a convention that former PMs are recognised, and while it will be too soon for many in National, it was going to happen sooner or later. If anything, it does confirm that Key and his team are reasonable and wellmeaning, which is the image they are seeking to portray.

    Julian Robertson is not a sir though. He gets an honorary knighthood, but because he is an American citizen, he can not be called Sir, which is a shame, but thats the way it goes.

    Delighted to see Sir Douglas Myers get something. In addition to his own personal business success as a Captain of Industry, he was famously generous to many causes, and has often taken place in debates on issues of national importance.

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  11. Angus (536 comments) says:

    The ONZ selection system is a fucken disgrace.

    . . too many former politicians who simply occupied space and time in the Parliament buildings. Jonathan Hunt – The Minister Of Wine & Cheese – even has one for fuck sake. And Bolger ? WTF? What did Clark do to achieve hers? Nine years of eisenfaust control over her party, political manoeuvrings, social engineering and tacit approval to some of the dirtiest politics executed by her subordinates Mallard, Benson-Pope & Hodgson, unauthorized and deliberate use of public monies on electioneering and the egregious EFA. Oh, and an empty treasury.

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  12. hj (6,602 comments) says:

    Helen Clark for services to the NZ real estate industry:

    “New Zealand is a place of sublime natural beauty, populated exclusively by sheep, hobbits, and, lately, hoteliers. But for a high-style antipodal experience, it’s hard to know where to stay. Unless, of course you happen to be Christopher Petkanas.
    From September 2005
    New Zealand is the new Eden, its clean and green image the beneficiary of a public-relations windfall direct from Middle-earth. Americans are not just visiting the country in numbers unimaginable only five years ago—they’re immigrating, drawn by an arcadian ideal (never underestimate the pacifying effect of several billion sheep), breathtakingly cheap waterfront real estate, see-through fish-tank architecture, and an investment climate that, as one Las Vegas resort owner–cum–South Island winemaker puts it, makes New Zealand “the Switzerland of the South Seas.”
    One of the most powerful forces in the shilling of the nation is Helen Clark, familiar to all Kiwis as Madame Prime Minister. In her book, there are no bad tourists, only ones with shallow pockets. And in a recent campaign that will go down in history, Clark aggressively packaged and promoted New Zealand as a place where Californians in particular, because of their relative proximity and the kinship in lifestyles, might consider putting down roots. “Active recruitment,” she called it, and some of the state’s richest residents signed up. Vive le marketing.”
    http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/kiwi-country/

    Labours Third World Solution Gareth Morgan

    “Ireland’s economic miracle was driven by Germany. Under Labour, ours is being gifted by Communist China. The Germans sent money, the Chinese are sending people. ”

    “That impetus has come from getting immigration up to record levels, notwithstanding the squeals from Winston Peters’ constituency. Just as Ireland found a sugar daddy to give its economy a boost in the 1980′s, Miss Clark has discovered the dividend from unfettered people inflows.

    “To the extent these trends are maintained it could take as few as 60 years before the population is effectively totally renewed. To the extent the sources of the greatest number of arrivals are now in Asia, Mr Peters is quite justified to point out that New Zealand is looking at a social and demographic revolution. ”

    http://articles.garethmorgan.com/printcol.php?id=409

    http://www.boston.com/travel/articles/2004/11/07/new_zealand_at_a_crossroads/

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  13. big bruv (13,450 comments) says:

    Emily Watt from the Dom Post says it best

    “It is supposed to be the country’s most exclusive club – a league of the 20 greatest living Kiwis recognised for outstanding service to the Crown and to the people of New Zealand.

    But when six of the 17 members of the Order of New Zealand are former politicians, many Kiwis are left questioning the validity of the country’s highest honour.”

    The fact that the most corrupt PM in our nations history has now received an ‘honour’ is enough to make me sick, it seems if you lie, steal, corrupt and cheat you go straight to the top of the list for an ONZ.

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  14. Sushi Goblin (419 comments) says:

    The ONZ is looking like it has evolved from a club of NZ’s twenty greatest living people to a pasture for disaffected republicans and cranky politicians who dislike titles.

    Well, so be it, but the irony is that in having turned their noses up at titles and accepting a non titled award which is technically greater, they have ended up devaluing their own award and elevated the stature of knighthoods even further.

    The supreme irony is that NZers are largely falling in love with titles all over again, and the ONZ has become a joke, further plunging the knife in to Helen Clark and Labour’s shortlived decision to remove knighthoods.

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  15. mattyroo (1,001 comments) says:

    Another disgraceful honour this year is the one to John Bongard – the bloke has been an abject failure at Fisher and Paykel Appliances – destroyed what once was a good company and a lot of shareholder wealth. And he blames competiton from China! Any preschooler knows that huge competition exists from the Chinese market, but this numpty kept his head in the sand until the company was in its death throes. He didn’t move to counter that competition until he was forced to, should’ve been sacked years ago!

    Don’t even get me started on that other bitch!

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  16. MT_Tinman (3,033 comments) says:

    If a totally corrupt politcian and a man who makes rather poor “movin’ pichures” for seppos are in the top 20 New Zealanders the country has sunk further than I thought.

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  17. Inventory2 (10,161 comments) says:

    Helen Clark joins Jonathan Hunt amongst the ONZ members – ’nuff said!

    Persoanlly, I would rather Key and QEII had offered to make her Dame Helen in which case she would have got nothing, or been exposed as a hypocrite.

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  18. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    “So it was inevitable Clark would be made a member, but so soon after she left office will leave a sour taste for many.”

    Inevitable? Please spare us the cloying sentimentalism that National Party and its supporters ooze these days.

    If further proof is needed that all our politicians are self-serving and power-driven, this is it. On the other hand, Neville Key has lived up to his empty-suit and spineless reputation by endorsing Clark’s elevation.

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  19. emmess (1,385 comments) says:

    65% opposed on the Herald poll
    I’m glad a lot more people these days understand the amount of damage that horrible woman did to this country

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  20. somewhatthoughtful (455 comments) says:

    despite his generous donations after the way i saw him treat an acquaintance of mine who was working as a management contractor for him i do not think mr robertson deserves it if his and his companies treatment of this person is indicative of their attitude.

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  21. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    What a joke, the Dear One, oh fucking please. May I suggest 2 more letters ONZAL, Order of New Zealand Arse Lickers.

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  22. reid (16,061 comments) says:

    Noting that Turia is on the Cabinet Appointments and Honours Committee, I wonder how she voted when Clark’s name came up?

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  23. homepaddock (433 comments) says:

    The ONZ is for the 20 greatest living New Zealanders.

    If our greatest aren’t also good it reflects very poorly on the rest of us.

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  24. Fletch (6,093 comments) says:

    So Helen isn’t a Dame then?
    Good!
    For a second I was afraid she’d get a real honour.

    The farce of Helen getting an award is second only to Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize.

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  25. Grant (427 comments) says:

    And the honours are………. devalued. Utterly and permanently.
    G

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  26. Fletch (6,093 comments) says:

    ps, Elijah, the “booming economy” and “budget surpluses” weren’t a symptom of anything Helen did. The world’s economy was good then. It’s akin to saying she lead us through some very pleasant temperatures – when it’s Summertime. And what did she do with those budget surpluses? Did she share them amongst the people? The Australians got three tax cuts in a row (or was it four?) We got nothing. The Labour government hoarded the huge surpluses they had like a scrooge, and then quickly blew them all when it looked like they were going to lose the election to make the incoming government look bad.

    Helen Clark was (and is) a venal, manipulating bitch.

    One day I’d like someone to ask her just what her idea of paradise is – if she had finished all her plans and got NZ to exactly how she wanted it to be, what would that look like? I’d love to ask her that. I bet it would look a lot like Communism.

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  27. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  28. big bruv (13,450 comments) says:

    Well said MT Tinman.

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  29. big bruv (13,450 comments) says:

    Oh dear!

    Labour are in full censorship mode over at Red Alert, any negative comments about Klark’s ONZ are deleted.

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  30. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Klark’s honour is more proof that National and Key in particular just do not get it.

    The Nats and Key do not share the widespread revulsion to Klark that exists in the minds of those who oppose socialism.

    The Nats and Key cannot even come to grips with the growing distaste for politicians of all colours. They defile the honours system in the first place in their belief that it exists to force the citizenry to provide politicians with the respect they do not deserve, and in the second place by awarding it to a politician who is held in contempt by so many.

    Once again, the Nationals show that they are a group of wavering mission-less jelly backs, and that the party needs a complete clean out. The ruling elite there, a bunch of posing leftists, need to be faced with a grass roots rebellion that demands the party ceases its gutless pandering to PCism and socialism and starts to act in accord with its stated principles.

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  31. Angus (536 comments) says:

    BB, indeed. One doesn’t have to “waver” too far from “approved” commentary to get banned by Red Alert.

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  32. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Well stated Redbaiter.

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  33. reid (16,061 comments) says:

    “Oh dear! Labour are in full censorship mode over at Red Alert, any negative comments about Klark’s ONZ are deleted.”

    Never mind, BB. I saw it. Their reaction made me laugh.

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  34. Angus (536 comments) says:

    “Klark’s honour is more proof that National and Key in particular just do not get it. ”

    Clark would’ve used any means to possible to personally and professionally destroy Key prior to the ’08 election . . even stooping so far as to send Labour subordinates to Australia to investigate the H-Fee documents. In fact I’d be surprised if she doesn’t have one or two tentacles in the politburo and intelligentsia actively working away to fuck over Key & the Nats to this day.

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  35. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    Fale, first you congratulate Clark then agree with redbaiter for his outrage at her getting the award?

    Worst PM ever. I’ll leave it there before I go into full rant mode

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  36. Grant Michael McKenna (1,156 comments) says:

    The advantage to being a gentleman is that it enables people to tell who is not. Good on John Key.

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  37. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Zapper, I should have been more specific and I apologize.

    I agreed with RedBaiter’s comment on NZ Conservatism and only that – I do not acknowledge his opinion on the award but never the less I choose to respect it whole heartedly.

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  38. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Isn’t it intriguing that we give honours in this day and age to (some) people who sixty years ago we would have strung up in the town square for treason?

    And if I had my way we would still have hanging for the likes of Clark and Cullen.
    But then we give Nobel Peace Prizes to a President (OB1) for what he MIGHT do, and to one of the worst terrorists in recent history (Arafat), so what should we expect?

    The following comes to mind:

    Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! …
    Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

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  39. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    Fair enough Fale, thanks for that.

    And on another note, why must this God botherer come into every thread? Doesn’t your God promote forgiveness rather than hanging? I’d prefer they went into jail but that’s just me.

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  40. jaba (2,092 comments) says:

    I’m not making a comment on Realert .. would get deleted straight away.
    No way should Clark get any sort of honor. All she did was defeat a coup within in the late 90′s then lead Labour to 2 victories over a lame imploding Natioanl party. The 3rd “victory” showed her true colours .. with fraud, personal attacks, peddling red herrings like the bretheren and when somehow having a 1 seat advantage she sold her soul to Winston Peters who helped her downfall 3 years later.
    How can she be considered one of NZ’s greatest living citizens????
    Owen Glenn said it all when he suggested he wouldn’t want her in the trenches beside him.

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  41. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Zapper 1:20 pm,

    … it’s still a free country – so get used to it!
    (And I consider myself a guest of DPF, just as you are)

    Also, while my God “promote[s] forgiveness”, he also requires justice at the hands of His agents (government).
    Treason still had the death penalty attached to it until fairly recently.

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  42. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    On reflection, I think this is more of “Key stands for Key”. He is cementing the likelihhod of his own elevation to the “august” ranks of the ONZ when his turn comes.

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  43. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    Kris K,

    And now it doesn’t. So you are condoning breaking the law.

    Of course you are welcome to say whatever you like. Can’t you quote Lord of the Rings instead? It is similarly relevant and more entertaining

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  44. lilman (911 comments) says:

    Friend worked in the PM office for last 5-6 years of her term as PM and she had this to say this morning:

    “To think SHE got this award I am almost in tears.To think of how she treated us and how she treated everyone when they came to her ,Im almost sick.”

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  45. Komata (1,139 comments) says:

    So, Dear Leader has accepted an award.

    The ‘Order of New Zealand’ which is ironic when one considers that over nine years she bought into this country anything BUT order. (cue ‘In the Fuhrer’s Face’ -tune. Some here will understand).

    Note the use of the word ‘accepted’.

    IMHO, DL has once again shown her absolute hypocricy – couldn’t wait to get rid of the nasty capitalist ‘British’ awards as being bourgouise and capitalist, yet has evidently NO hesistation in accepting one when it is offered.

    The last time I read them, Marx , Lenin, Engles and Mao were against such Honours and titles as ‘Baubles of capitalism’, and DL as we know was very, very vociferous about such things and sooooo pro the proletariat back in the ’60′s.

    Funny how she’s now changed her tune.

    Of course if she had actually ever been ANTI-capitalism and the nasty running-dog west (and true to her loudly- vocalised and frequently-espoused socialist principles) she would of course have loudly and roundly rebuffed the honour when it was offered to her wouldn’t she? And gone-on in the media about the insult it was that she should even have been offered such tawdry capitalist baubles?

    She would have absolutely stood by her solidly-held socialist principles wouldn’t she, and remained in complete solidarity with her working-class comrades. Either equality for all, honours for all, or nothing else. United together for ‘THE CAUSE’.?

    Wouldn’t she. . .?

    Wouldn’t…?

    Evidently not!!

    Still, I guess it must be good for a laugh or two over dinner at the (socialist) UN.

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  46. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    My previous hypocriticial comments about such awards are now irrelevant and quite frankly, the New Zealand public agree with me

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  47. CharlieBrown (916 comments) says:

    Lets face it, all honours that are appointed by politicians are a load of crap and deserve no respect. I’m not saying that the people bestowed those honors do not deserve respect, just the honours themselves are nearly all political cronyism. I think they should bar all politicians from being able to get an honour unless they have done something deserving outside of parliament or government appointed positions.

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  48. Viking2 (11,216 comments) says:

    The Nats. will never learn to be winners. Winners take the spoils and chop the heads of the losers. That’s why we are back where we were 10 years ago. The phrase whishy washy comes to mind.
    They should look up a nasty bastard like Finton Patrick Walsh. He new how to deal to the opposition.

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  49. CharlieBrown (916 comments) says:

    The fact that Helen Clarke has not had a job outside of government (NZ or UN) for 30 or 40 years shows she is deserving of no more respect than joe Average.

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  50. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Zapper (aka MyNameIsJack, aka Billy Borker) at 2:03 pm

    Kris K,
    And now it doesn’t. So you are condoning breaking the law.

    I never said that you schizoid!
    Why don’t you go spread your hate elsewhere?

    Has anyone else noticed that just as Borker gets banned, Zapper appears to replace him?
    The language is a dead giveaway.

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  51. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,819 comments) says:

    What a lame country.

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  52. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    God help New Zealand.

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  53. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    Hanging is breaking the law, you want them hanged…and then you call me a schizoid!

    And you can appeal to the masses all you want. I am not related to those lefties

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  54. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    Oh look folks, fugley and borker have hatched a zapper egg.

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  55. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    Non-Christian = spreading hate.

    Oh why can’t I be so holy and pure and righteous

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  56. Johnboy (15,382 comments) says:

    Its no surprise of course just a bit of pre-payment by Johnny Key. When Auntie is SG at the UN and Key gets rolled as PM he is making sure of a job opportunity at World Government Inc.
    Should have no trouble at all, always room for another arse licker at that outfit.

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  57. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    Hunt, Bolger and now Clark? Proof positive that poltitians should never have a say in anything they stand to benifit from; income, perks, honors, the law of the land, they always pervert it into something worthy only of scorn.

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  58. grumpyoldhori (2,412 comments) says:

    Now I know this bloke is from the wrong side of the tracks and would not be in any way fit company for the oh so grand who got knighthoods for doing their normal jobs.
    Yep, saving the lives of a couple of cops by trying to get a rifle off a bloke twice his size and getting shot for his troubles is not doing anything that important.
    What am I trying to say, oh yes , WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO LEN HOLMWOOD’S NEW ZEALAND STAR ?

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  59. Johnboy (15,382 comments) says:

    Lets face it folks WTF is a bloody pathetic little ONZ compared to the honours that that much loved ( and less corrupt leader) Idi Amin gained.

    “• His Excellency President for Life Field Marshal Al Hadji Dr. Idi Amin,VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.”

    Now THAT is what I call an honour! :)

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  60. Viking2 (11,216 comments) says:

    I see Craig Baird has got a lolly. So I suppose that that smart arse holden driver with the big mouth will be lining up for his next year!
    And by the way this courtesy of Whale.

    That is what the Honours Committee has told New Zealand today.

    They have said Fuck You Very Much, New Zealand.

    Note down these names, they are the members of the Cabinet Appointments and Honours Committee, John “Smiling Assassin” Key (Chair), “Karori” Bill English, Gerry “Salad Dodger” Brownlee, Simon “FIGJAM” Power, Tony “Wardrobe” Ryall, Anne “Closer” Tolley, Christopher “Tinkerbell” Finlayson, David “Brown Envelope” Carter, Murray “Charlie Wilson” McCully, Hon Georgina te Heuheu “Grub”, Pansy “Ting Tong” Wong, “Private” Heather Roy, “Aunty” Tariana Turia, Peter “Rothmans” Dunne.

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  61. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    Dame Helen is a better title than the other possibility – Lady Helen

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  62. Viking2 (11,216 comments) says:

    Ladies sit down to pee.

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  63. Crusader (291 comments) says:

    Just what “service” did Helen Clark do for New Zealand?

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  64. Jack5 (4,775 comments) says:

    Mattyroo posted at 10.41 on the award for F&P Appliance’s recent CEO John Bongard:

    …Any preschooler knows that huge competition exists from the Chinese market, but this numpty kept his head in the sand until the company was in its death throes. He didn’t move to counter that competition until he was forced to…

    Regardless of whether Bongard deserved the award, he is not to blame for China hammering F&P Appliances. Chinese competition has knocked hell out of whiteware manufacturers throughout the developed world, and in developing countries with slightly higher than Chinese wages (eg Mexico). What has happened to whiteware parallels moves to China of manufacturing of textiles, shoes, clothing, toys, and many other goods.As low Chinese wages attract bigger orders, returns to scale add to China’s advantages. Supply pipelines have consolidated in China and shipping from China has become frequent and efficient.

    Above all, the Chinese currency, fixed artificially low by the Chinese government, proved the coup de grace for manufacturing from NZ, with its artificially high currency (as persistent current account balances prove). Pumping up our currency are the narrow instruments used by the Reserve Bank to control inflation, helped by the talking up of the kiwi dollar by Ministers like English (how lucky NZ is) and Brownlee (bullshit about NZ having more mineral wealth than Australia). Add to this the frequent bullish hype from some economists at trading banks, which funnel overseas funds into NZ for lending out.

    IMHO, the F&P board (and later F&P Appliances board) and Bongard deserve praise for keeping the company’s NZ manufacturing viable for so long. They diversified manufacturing to first Australia, then Thailand. They came up with innovative products. They made alliances with overseas manufacturers. They sucked out every bit of NZ support that was available, eg all the local body help for the Mosgiel plant. Bongard didn’t keep his head in the sand. He tried hard, against the tide, which inevitably won.

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  65. Chris2 (765 comments) says:

    Once again Clarke’s willingness to break the rules is evident by her acceptance of the ONZ. UN staff rule 1.2 specifically prohibits its employees from accepting honours:

    “No staff member shall accept any honour, decoration, favour, gift, or remuneration from any Government….If refusal of an unanticipated honour, decoration, favour or gift from a Government would cause embarrassment to the Organization, the staff member may receive it on behalf of the Organization and then report and entrust it to the Secretary-General, who will either retain it for the Organization or arrange for its disposal for the benefit of the Organization or for a charitable purpose.”

    This international site: http://www.innercitypress.com/undp3hclark123009.html
    also reports that Clarke has yet to hold a UN press conference since taking over at the UN Development Program.

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  66. Chuck Bird (4,728 comments) says:

    This is further proof that John Key returned the knighthoods with himself in mind. By giving such an Honour to Clark he has almost guaranteed himself a knighthood.

    While many may worship Clark, many despise her and genuinely believe she put herself first and of New Zealand. It would be nice if some MP put forth a private members bill to ban awards to politicians. There may be some politicians in the past worthy of an award but certainly none in recent times.

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  67. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Kris K (1223) Says:
    December 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Zapper (aka MyNameIsJack, aka Billy Borker) at 2:03 pm

    Has anyone else noticed that just as Borker gets banned, Zapper appears to replace him?
    The language is a dead giveaway.

    As I previously posted tto Billy/Zapper/MNIJ the tone and language is too similar.
    Besides which DPF would know the IP addresses, so maybe he “allows” the continued attacks on Christians.

    DPF are the IP addresses/Internet providers the same for Billy/Zapper/MNIJ ?

    [DPF: BB and MINJ appear to be different people as with different ISPs. But they may be same. Zapper is different]

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