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Indeed.
That Job was a wise man – and the questions and observations he put forward are something all of us should ponder.
Our days are indeed short on this earth, and these untimely deaths (although God knew) remind us that we know not when our time on this earth will come to an end.
So god knew this woman was going to die? She knows when each of us will die?
Does that then mean that god approves abortion, murder, torture, war, floods, landslides, cancer, and all the other many and varied horrid ways in which people die?
So god knew this woman was going to die? She knows when each of us will die?
Yes.
But I don’t think “this woman” knows/knew when each of us will die.
(I ignored your intended sarcasm)
Does that then mean that god approves abortion, murder, torture, war, floods, landslides, cancer, and all the other many and varied horrid ways in which people die?
Maybe you should go directly to the Source.
Try reading His word to gain insight to your question.
But I’ll give you a hint:
Much of your list can be attributed to the sins of men (abortion, murder, torture, war).
The rest (of your list) to us living in a fallen creation.
Hi Billy
You know the answer to this already, I know you do. No!
God doesn’t approve but He knows about it.
God created the time/space continuum that we live in and therefore He exists/lives outside it and can see all around/through it.
Think of a big room 100m X 100m X 100m in size with a fishtank in the dead centre 1m X 1m X 1m.
The fishtank is the known universes and the room is the spiritual world (dimensions;-).
We are a speck somewhere in the fishtank and God is outside it. (I think that His room has no boundaries but I put 100m for our brains to hold onto as it might help)
I suspect that the two are like dimensions in that they oscillate/vibrate at different frequencies as they could be in the same space but different frequency perhaps.
Hey Billy are you going to tell us what happened in the past that turned you off of God and His wicked servants?
Are you using a different IP address so DPF can’t track you?
Or do you have an unspoken agreement with him, you won’t tell and he will ignore it?
You know you still sound like Billy, you’ve got to change that somehow
It’s very hard to change the way you phrase yourself, good luck.
Most dangerously, we see it in the way that religion is used to justify the murder of innocents by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam, and who attacked my country from Afghanistan. These extremists are not the first to kill in the name of God; the cruelties of the Crusades are amply recorded.
Obama defends Islam in this statement, then mentions the Crusades; but fails to say anything about those people “defiling” Christianity for the previous 700 years.
I found it interesting that he says absolutely nothing in defense of the Christian religion here but backhands it.
He does a lot of defending/defering to Islam.
Rather like when he insisted on covering up a statue of Jesus at a Catholic US Uni (Notre Dame) he spoke at.
Now we have Obama contradicting himself, now saying that it was the fault of the system.His Secretary of Homeland Security also bombed out, Janet Napolitano should resign.The terrorists are reacting to weakness at the top in the USA.
That man reminds me so much of James Earl Carter,peanut farmer of Plains,Georgia, the only man ever to see a fighting rabbit and not mistake it for a terrorist.
Obama is weakness personnified, the Iranians are rolling over his pathetic excuses. Obama snubbing the Israelis, look for a major strike by Israel on Iran shortly. How will “Walk on Water” Obama handle that ?
Never has the USA had a President so unfit to lead his own country even less the free world.
I think he is a liar and hypocrite of the first order.
There is a history showing his values and positions, The whole Gates slagging off of the Police and protecting his mate the activist professor.
Then the sealing of all his own records whilst calling for others to be transparent and open, heck he campaigned on that one!
Then the Fort Hood Muslim terrorist event and the delay in acknowledging it and the refusal to witness it as a Muslim terrorist event, The same with the latest plane bomber, in fact he waited 3 days before commenting and only did when he was finally being dissed in the media.
He continues to honour IRAN with it’s full title as the Islamic Republic of Iran. yet doesn’t defend the democracy people.
Taqiyya is the Islamic word for deception over enemies.
Who paid for his Harvard education and why would they pay for a so called christian man?
Yet, despite all of these stuff-ups (and they are only the ones we get to hear of down here), it seems that Americans of a certain age (say, under 35) still seem to think he’s the bee’s-knees, and get extremely ‘anti’ if they are questioned about the man’s lack of policies or effectiveness. They simply don’t seem to want to know, or to be prepared to admit that they may have made a mistake in voting for him. Most odd – almost as if there is a willful and delberate ‘blindness’ ‘Obama right or wrong’ seems to be the manta.
Have other Kiwi’s noticed this phenomenon in dealing with (young-ish) Americans since the US presidential election?
That’s stupid.
The loss of a loved one can be soul destroying, prats.
I even give positive karma to Pete George and I think he is a Prat some days.
Hell I’ve given positive to Billy once.
silly sausage.
One really does have to wonder if Obama is a closet Muslim.
Obama: Most dangerously, we see it in the way that religion is used to justify the murder of innocents by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam …
He parrots the common misconception of the west that Islam is a religion of peace.
One needs go no further than the lies, treachery, and murderous acts of terror perpetrated by Mohammed to see the fallacy of such arguments – yet still they persist with these lies.
Komata
It is almost a religious thing rather like the anti Americanism I have found with many Kiwis against the USA.
It’s not rational as you can’t even have a dialogue, the shutters go down over their eyes they are so anti Bush or USA.
I have an American friend (college educated) who voted for OB1 and I can’t understand why, as I sent them all the stuff about his background during the election.
It seems like it is like AGW, they ignore and even downplay the illegalities and twisting as they are so vested.
Reid http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
section 2i
Though 2e should be required reading in all high schools in the West.
can you see that happening here with Neville Key?
The security lapse is embarrassing for the US but it will be impossible for them to be 100% secure. Calling for resignations at the top over every slip up is ludicrous – how many should have resigned over 9-11? And what good would that have done?
Mike, al you have to learn to understand is that other people can have different ideas and come to different conclusions to you, no matter how right you think you are. No one is guaranteed to be The right one all the time.
“He parrots the common misconception of the west that Islam is a religion of peace.”
I’d suggest the conception amongst the general population in the west is the opposite of that Kris.
It’s the politicians who keep saying that it’s peaceful but really, what else can they say without inciting a war?
I personally believe it IS a peaceful, albeit false, religion, when you look at the sum total of its billions of adherents. The vast majority are just like you or I and just want a peaceful life.
As usual however, some radical minorities get all the attention. While some on this blog including yourself have clearly not made the same distinction I have, IMO the evidence for what I said is there if you look at it dispassionately although with this subject, objectivity seems a little difficult for some.
It’s an interesting subject. I read some years ago Albert Pike’s alleged letter to Mazzini which predicts three world wars, the last between Islam and the West. Regardless of what you think about its imprimatur, it’s remarkable to have witnessed those very storm clouds gathering force over the last nine years and especially the propaganda dynamics that are building and assisting it.
Yeffet says body scans are more provocative than effective, which is an interesting argument. The Israelis have a better method of screening passengers anyway, which is to send agents into the terminal to check out all of of the people looking to board flights. I wrote about this more than three years ago, and the US even tried a pilot program in 2006 based on the Israeli method. Some question (as did one of the Fox anchors here) whether that can be applied in the much larger airports and markets in the US. But that’s a question of scale, not of possibility, and it would just take a commitment to training enough agents to find key indicators of problems rather than statistical sampling as a means of screening passengers. Yeffet himself says that the US could use that same system, if we are willing to discard our political correctness and use the right kind of expertise on the problem.
I personally believe it IS a peaceful, albeit false, religion, when you look at the sum total of its billions of adherents. The vast majority are just like you or I and just want a peaceful life.
On the whole its adherents know very little about it, but if you read http://www.gfa.,org and http://www.vom.org each week as I have the past 12 years, you would have seen a continuoes movement against all other religions throughout the world and at local and govt level.
The Koran was written as a war document by a man who contradicted himself in his sources. (hence even he says Jesus was the Messaih and born of a virgin!)
Islam is not a peaceful religion it is a means of conquest in all the realms of man, a religion of works.
Reid
yep, El All is the best in the business.
For large groups of people it is logical to profile as Joseph Farah (WND) advocates and he’s an Arabic American so will get stopped everywhere if they do!
Sorry Reid
I forgot to mention the 10% or 100m Muslims (Daniel Pipes) that support the Jihadis or 30% odd in UK (under 30yrs).
so I don’t agree with your
As usual however, some radical minorities get all the attention. While some on this blog including yourself have clearly not made the same distinction I have, IMO the evidence for what I said is there if you look at it dispassionately although with this subject, objectivity seems a little difficult for some.
I read some years ago Albert Pike’s alleged letter to Mazzini which predicts three world wars, the last between Islam and the West.
I fear that this could be correct, West v Islam is one of the most likely major conflicts, with the inclusion of Israel almost certain to guarantee escalation. I think both sides are as guilty as each other in generating this. The partial western invasion of Iraq has just made an all out war there more likely, the US, GB and assorted allies have shown their potential fallibility.
And who would benefit the most (if there is anything left to benefit from)? The Red Commercial Army?
MikeNZ fuck I thought you were a septic, you go on about Obama’s tan so much.
Yep, what the yanks really need is another Bush screaming bring it on, hey it worked, over four thousand dead US military.
But the US doesn’t seem to have subtle common sense as one of it’s strong points, they seem to be more into might is right, rip shit and bust, overkill etc. They tend to throw the kitchen sink at problems but forget that a reliable plug is important.
Mike, I don’t disagree that Islam preaches and practices revolution and conquest in exactly the same way that Soviet Russia did when it claimed to believe in Marxism-Leninism.
As I said, I believe it’s a false religion.
However, most of its adherents are just people like you and I, who just want a peaceful life. I believe most Muslims are exactly like most Christians, they’re mild people and their faith is something they fit their life around not the other way round.
As you get toward the more fanatical end of the spectrum that’s when you get the hard-core minority and these are the people who appear in the media and frankly, some of the preachers from the US Bible Belt aren’t far off some of the more radical Imams.
What the West needs to do with Islam is refuse to tolerate their attempted expansion on the grounds we have a Judeo-Christian heritage and we’re not going to be tolerating anything that interferes with that. For example, in Holland the Muslims have tried to ban Christian Church bells. Bugger off.
Unfortunately, by using PC psychobabble, “diversity” and “tolerance” bullshit is being foisted upon us by politicians and as a result our Western values are being eroded. My response to that is: fuck off. I would tell the Muslims who want to emigrate that they can but we’re not going to change our values to fit in with you, rather it’s the other way around and if you don’t like it, don’t come here. It’s almost too late to do that in Europe but isolated conclaves of resistance are emerging e.g. the recent example in Switzerland which rejected the minarets.
Sadly my attitude is not prevalent amongst western political leaders which is puzzling because it’s quite an obvious thing to do if one had the best interests of their particular western nation at heart. The fact that none of them have ever reacted for decades now as the Muslim invasion has continued apace until its changed the face of Europe, is revealing to me and the reason why is another story.
I fear that this could be correct, West v Islam is one of the most likely major conflicts
President Jefferson
Bought a Koran and read it assiduosly to know the barbary enemy of the States.
(rem he was a Christian and scholar).
The states then defeated the Islamic Pirates.
I’d suggest the conception amongst the general population in the west is the opposite of that Kris.
It’s the politicians who keep saying that it’s peaceful but really, what else can they say without inciting a war?
… and of course the MSM support the politicians in this.
And I think many in the general population accept the lies presented by the politicians and MSM.
That fact that the west has to step so carefully so as to not offend Islam surely reveals that Islam is a powder keg ready to go off at any time. And does this not reveal the core nature of Islam; that it is in fact not a religion of peace?
Is this not one of the catch phrases voiced by Islam (essentially):
“Islam is a religion of peace, and if you disagree I’ll kill you.” ?
I personally believe it IS a peaceful, albeit false, religion, when you look at the sum total of its billions of adherents. The vast majority are just like you or I and just want a peaceful life.
As usual however, some radical minorities get all the attention. While some on this blog including yourself have clearly not made the same distinction I have, IMO the evidence for what I said is there if you look at it dispassionately although with this subject, objectivity seems a little difficult for some.
I always try to be objective in my observations.
The issue I have with the so called ‘peaceful’ majority is that they seem to be largely quiet following acts of violence perpetrated by one of their own. Is this not in effect implicit agreement of such acts of violence?
Also, most Muslims in western nations still reject the values of their host countries, and push hard for the implimentation of Sharia law and other Islamic practices.
I’ve said this before, but I believe your so called peaceful majority are sleeper radicals awaiting for the Islamic population to reach critical mass. This was indeed one of the methods employed by Mohammed to overthrow his enemies; feign peace until your numbers are such that you can gain control by violence. Surely one needs only to look at much of Europe to see this shift occuring before our very eyes?
And if Islam is a religion of peace why are the bulk (99%) of terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims?
Why are there not a similar number perpetrated by Christians, for instance?
“if Islam is a religion of peace why are the bulk (99%) of terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims?”
Kris, apologies for my poor choice of words. To clarify, I’m not saying Islam is a religion of peace, I’m saying the vast majority of its adherents are largely peaceful people. I think Islam is an aggressive religion, but that doesn’t mean it condones what people do in its name.
Of course radicals use its name to do bad things, just like fundamentalists in the States kill abortion doctors in the name of Christianity. Does that mean Christianity is not a religion of peace?
“The issue I have with the so called ‘peaceful’ majority is that they seem to be largely quiet following acts of violence perpetrated by one of their own. Is this not in effect implicit agreement of such acts of violence?”
Perhaps you don’t hear the condemnation they do make because you’re not listening for it.
“Also, most Muslims in western nations still reject the values of their host countries, and push hard for the implimentation of Sharia law and other Islamic practices.”
Yes and as I said, I’d confront them on this if I were a politician in an affected country.
I layer Muslims in four layers ( you might add a few even).
Folk Muslims – know very little about Islam – use it culturally or for protection and alongside other folk religion.
Muslims – read Koran though often without understanding but support Islam – recognise other religions – Pray for Sharia
Islamists – understand Islam – want a caliphate and Sharia – support Jihadis with resources –
Jihadis – want a caliphate & Sharia – no boundaries to get them.
Sadly my attitude is not prevalent amongst western political leaders which is puzzling because it’s quite an obvious thing to do if one had the best interests of their particular western nation at heart. The fact that none of them have ever reacted for decades now as the Muslim invasion has continued apace until its changed the face of Europe, is revealing to me and the reason why is another story.
… of course there’s Geert Wilders.
But I agree, he’s one of the few that has any testicular fortitude.
Kris, apologies for my poor choice of words. To clarify, I’m not saying Islam is a religion of peace, I’m saying the vast majority of its adherents are largely peaceful people. I think Islam is an aggressive religion, but that doesn’t mean it condones what people do in its name.
As per Mike’s suggested breakdown of ‘typical’ Muslims (percentages for your four categories would be interesting, Mike), I think those that are non violent do not fully understand Islam, and the teachings of Mohammed.
And of course no self respecting Muslim would ever denigrade Mohammed, and his actions during his life.
Of course radicals use its name to do bad things, just like fundamentalists in the States kill abortion doctors in the name of Christianity. Does that mean Christianity is not a religion of peace?
The difference is that Muslims that perpetrate acts of violence are following Mohammed’s example, whereas Christians that commit acts of violence are not following Christ’s.
Although I can understand the reasoning of a Christian that murders an abortionist; their desire to protect the innocent – not disimilar to Christians fighting to defend their country, perhaps, when you boil it all down. Not necessarily my views, but I can understand this sort of justification.
Is Job 14 as has been quoted a eulogy? I wouldn’t appreciate something like that plastered over my death, but if it was seen as suitable for someone who was religious then it could be appropriate.
Is Job 14 as has been quoted a eulogy? I wouldn’t appreciate something like that plastered over my death, but if it was seen as suitable for someone who was religious then it could be appropriate.
Job was essentially stating that no mater how hard or brief life may be, that he would be resurrected by God. While he couldn’t fully understand it, this was his hope.
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
I believe the “set time” and “till my change come” refer to this hope of resurrection.
Of course, Job was a man of faith.
Kris
Daniel Pipes on his website has a number of articles on Islam and %’s, his take is that Islamists and Jihadis could make up 100m around the world, though how that translates into action soldiers I’m not sure.
At present the safe havens is the issue of the day (which is fluctuating all the time) as the US plays stomp a mole around the world as the EU becomes Eurabia.
Russia and China try and make the most of the US’s diversions for themselves and the OIC within the UN seeks to emasculate any consensus against Islam’s aims as the UN seeks to free itself from the Nations to stand alone.
As the rest of us have our heads in the sand as we jockey for our own pet needs and hates and pockets.
I just finished watching the entire 1h 11m of this fan flick. Initially I was expecting some spotty teenagers jumping around saying “I am Arathorn”. But it is actually a damn good movie with some people who could act. With a few hundred million dollars and Weta workshops behind them, the director could be on to something. The orcs are pretty much as good as anything you saw in the Jackson movie. There is even what looks like a CGI troll. Oh, and thanks for the negative karma, I haven’t had much of it lately.
Conspiracy theories about Obama are going to turn me into a democrat if not a socialist out of pure sympathy. Let me get this straight -he’s a closet radical muslim planted in some way by jihadists ?Have you guys seen ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ by any chance? Like the ‘birther’ claims , just a crock of shit that make the right look like idiots. And I am right wing.Target the ball not the man and attack his policies.
This paper may just put the Climate Alarmist Religion finally to bed.
It’s heavyweight stuff but in the end everything is physics.
In their recently revised and re-published paper, Dr Gerlich debunks AGW and shows that the IPCC “consensus” atmospheric physics model tying CO2 to global warming is not only unverifiable, but actually violates basic laws of physics, i.e. the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics. The latest version of this momentous scientific paper appears in the March 2009 edition of the International Journal of Modern Physics. http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
The central claims of Dr. Gerlich and his colleague, Dr. Ralf Tscheuschner, include, but are not limited to:
1) The mechanism of warming in an actual greenhouse is different than the mechanism of warming in the atmosphere, therefore it is not a “greenhouse” effect and should be called something else.
2) The climate models that predict catastrophic global warming also result in a net heat flow from atmospheric greenhouse gasses to the warmer ground, which is in violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Essentially, any machine which transfers heat from a low temperature reservoir to a high temperature reservoir without external work applied cannot exist. If it did it would be a “perpetual motion machine” – the realm of pure sci-fi.
Gerlich’s and Tscheuschner’s independent theoretical study is detailed in a lengthy (115 pages), mathematically complex (144 equations, 13 data tables, and 32 figures or graphs), and well-sourced (205 references) paper. The German physicists prove that even if CO2 concentrations double (a prospect even global warming advocates admit is decades away), the thermal conductivity of air would not change more than 0.03%. They show that the classic concept of the glass greenhouse wholly fails to replicate the physics of Earth’s climate.
They also prove that a greenhouse operates as a “closed” system while the planet works as an “open” system and the term “atmospheric greenhouse effect” does not occur in any fundamental work involving thermodynamics, physical kinetics, or radiation theory. All through their paper the German scientists show how the greenhouse gas theory relies on guesstimates about the scientific properties involved to “calculate” the chaotic interplay of such a myriad and unquantifiable array of factors that is beyond even the abilities of the most powerful of modern supercomputers.
The paper’s introduction states it neatly:
(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming
phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse
effects, (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface
temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33
degrees Celsius is a meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the
formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately, (e) the
assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical, (f) thermal
conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric
greenhouse conjecture is falsified.
This thorough debunking of the theory of man made warming disproves
that there exists a mechanism whereby carbon dioxide in the cooler
upper atmosphere exerts any thermal “forcing” effect on the warmer
surface below. To do so would violate both the First and Second Laws
of Thermodynamics. As there is no glass roof on the earth to trap the
excess heat, it escapes upward into space.Thus we may conclude that
the common sense axioms are preserved so that the deeper the ocean,
the colder the water and heat rises, it does not fall. QED. http://tinyurl.com/ya4ew58
Owen, Ive only skim read your piece but wouldn’t warming in the cooler upper atmosphere slow the rate of heat transfer as the temperature differential would decrease rather than directly transfering heat. Conversely, and I believe this to be another large mitigating factor of climate change, the warmer upper atmosphere would then have a higher heat differential with space and the rate of heat transfer there would increase.
Billions of mobile phone users around the world are at risk of having their calls intercepted and recorded after hackers broke the encryption used to protect 80 per cent of the world’s mobiles.
People regularly trading in confidential information, such as Government officials and executives, would be the most likely eavesdropping targets but virtually anyone with enough skills and determination could harness the research for nefarious means, security experts warn.
German computer engineer Karsten Nohl told a hacker conference in Berlin that he and his team decoded the GSM (Global System for Mobile Communication) encryption algorithm to draw attention to gaping security holes in the technology and drive mobile operators to patch them.
About 80 per cent – or 3.5 billion – of the world’s mobiles are based on GSM, which is over 20 years old.
In Australia, virtually every mobile phone uses GSM or a variation of it after Telstra shut down its ageing CDMA network, Telsyte research director Warren Chaisatien said.
Nohl, who has published the secret GSM encryption code online, told the Chaos Communication Congress this week that a skilled eavesdropper using basic equipment and free software could be recording phone calls within 15 minutes, The Guardian reported.
“This shows that existing GSM security is inadequate,” Nohl, 28, said, insisting his work was purely academic.
“We are trying to push operators to adopt better security measures for mobile phone calls.”
Security experts including mobile encryption firm Cellcrypt said it would be largely skilled hackers and well-funded criminals who would have access to the technology and expertise required to intercept calls..
However, Cellcrypt’s Ian Meakin told the BBC that Nohl’s work was still a “massive worry”.
“It lowers the bar for people and organisations to crack GSM calls. It inadvertently puts these tools and techniques in the hands of criminals,” Meakin said.
The GSM Association, which devised the algorithm, said Nohl’s work was illegal and admitted intercepting calls using his method was “theoretically possible but practically unlikely”. It said it was taking the security threat very seriously.
Nohl claims he consulted lawyers before publishing his findings and insists he is operating within the law. But he conceded the data he produced could be used for illegitimate purposes, such as to create a phone tapping device.
“What he is doing would be illegal in Britain and the United States. To do this while supposedly being concerned about privacy is beyond me,” GSM association spokeswoman Claire Cranton told The New York Times.
Nohl is developing a solid reputation in the hacker community after a similar campaign last year that led to an update to the security protecting millions of cordless home phones.
Several hacker groups had earlier signalled their intentions to crack the GSM algorithm, which protects calls by scrambling the communications link between the radio base station and handset.
Serious security flaws in the technology were discovered and exposed as early as 1994.
A newer, more secure version of the algorithm has been developed by the GSM Association but it has not yet been implemented by most mobile mobile network operators around the world.
Owen don’t tell us, tell those drongos in Wellington. You are mostly preaching to the converted here. Our problem lies with the politicians who know AGW is a crock of shit but for various reasons of their own have their heads firmly stuck up their arsehole’s and refuse to come out for air. Of course it’s about the money and any chance to take more of our wealth is seen as a gift from God. Shonkey should be ashamed but I believe his idiot sidekick actually believes in this crap, beyond help.
Stealing his records?.Come on MikeD. I bet you read that on the internet, right?. If there is was anything substantial on Obama don’t you think it would be on the 6 oclock news like when ihs pastor was outed as racist?
Don’t ask me why Hurf, but you bring to mind this chorus:
Mental vomit
spews of thoughts
like nothing that was ever taught
Self learned and self inflicted
Judge and jury, self convicted
Retching, wretched, thoughts rejected
Doom is all that is projected
Mental vomit inside wrought from victim brain forever caught
Mental vomit
As usual, the Islamophobes vent their selected histories and their prejudices, but offer no solution to their conundrum – well, nothing sensible, anyway: I do remember Kris K saying once something like he wants Islam to disappear; like yeah right, how insightful. Not.
Reid presents what is probably one course of action – resist any intrusion on our freedoms by Muslim immigrants. I would also suggest engage them and promote economic advancement in Muslim lands. One way to assist people largely under the hammer of despotic regimes is to respond to the global warming imperative by drastically reducing our dependence on oil, thus reducing the flow of income to those regimes, forcing them to rely on their people to innovate and expand their economies.
The second is to stop setting out to kill them so readily and so needlessly, as is currently occurring in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine (via the US client state, Israel).
One things for sure, constantly demonising over a billion people for the actions of a very few is simply neither constructive nor sensible.
Finally a poster above said Muslims commit all the terrorist attacks. Crap. The US and Israel, with a bit of help from other craven western nations like us, carry out the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks throughout the world – state terror or state-sponsored terror is still terror.
The US and Israel, with a bit of help from other craven western nations like us, carry out the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks throughout the world –
Yeah, them fucking septics and hymies. How fucking dare they. Hasta la victoria siempre! You’ll be able to add Yemenis to your list of oppressed third worlders attacked by evil Westerners pretty soon, Puke. Maybe a “pharmaceutical factory” will be hit.
More terror attacks in the US this year than any other year since 2001. Here’s to the 2010s!
Great movie, I just watched it. Considering it’s a fan movie, I say well done.
Sonny 8:05
Helen’s quote – does she actually believe what she said?
The woman is clearly so far removed from reality she has no idea.
She was the most immoral leader we’ve had in a long time. Hers was a leadership intent on maintaining power at all cost, nothing to do with serving the people, or looking out for their best interests.
Stealing his records?.Come on MikeD. I bet you read that on the internet, right?.
I think Mike used the words “sealing”, not stealing. I don’t know how much traction the birthers have with Obama and whether or not he was born in the US, but Obama could put the whole thing to bed by simply releasing and producing his long form birth certificate. He refuses to do this and this has people asking questions.
Also, I do not believe that Obama is an Islamist, but he is a Marxist at heart with roots in ACORN.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am
from the RIP thread
Kris K (1204) Says:
December 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Andrei 9:29 am,
Indeed.
That Job was a wise man – and the questions and observations he put forward are something all of us should ponder.
Our days are indeed short on this earth, and these untimely deaths (although God knew) remind us that we know not when our time on this earth will come to an end.
So god knew this woman was going to die? She knows when each of us will die?
Does that then mean that god approves abortion, murder, torture, war, floods, landslides, cancer, and all the other many and varied horrid ways in which people die?
December 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Vote on the Obamateurism of the year.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:22 am
MyNameIsJack (or is that Billy Borker?) 11:10 am,
Yes.
But I don’t think “this woman” knows/knew when each of us will die.
(I ignored your intended sarcasm)
Maybe you should go directly to the Source.
Try reading His word to gain insight to your question.
But I’ll give you a hint:
Much of your list can be attributed to the sins of men (abortion, murder, torture, war).
The rest (of your list) to us living in a fallen creation.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Hi Billy
You know the answer to this already, I know you do. No!
God doesn’t approve but He knows about it.
God created the time/space continuum that we live in and therefore He exists/lives outside it and can see all around/through it.
Think of a big room 100m X 100m X 100m in size with a fishtank in the dead centre 1m X 1m X 1m.
The fishtank is the known universes and the room is the spiritual world (dimensions;-).
We are a speck somewhere in the fishtank and God is outside it. (I think that His room has no boundaries but I put 100m for our brains to hold onto as it might help)
I suspect that the two are like dimensions in that they oscillate/vibrate at different frequencies as they could be in the same space but different frequency perhaps.
Hey Billy are you going to tell us what happened in the past that turned you off of God and His wicked servants?
Are you using a different IP address so DPF can’t track you?
Or do you have an unspoken agreement with him, you won’t tell and he will ignore it?
You know you still sound like Billy, you’ve got to change that somehow
It’s very hard to change the way you phrase yourself, good luck.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Reid
I pick his Nobel Prize speech.
Most dangerously, we see it in the way that religion is used to justify the murder of innocents by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam, and who attacked my country from Afghanistan. These extremists are not the first to kill in the name of God; the cruelties of the Crusades are amply recorded.
Obama defends Islam in this statement, then mentions the Crusades; but fails to say anything about those people “defiling” Christianity for the previous 700 years.
I found it interesting that he says absolutely nothing in defense of the Christian religion here but backhands it.
He does a lot of defending/defering to Islam.
Rather like when he insisted on covering up a statue of Jesus at a Catholic US Uni (Notre Dame) he spoke at.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Yeah I voted for bowing to Hirohito.
What a moron. Would have pleased the Japanese though. They love a good display of subservience from the leader of the nation that once defeated them.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Now we have Obama contradicting himself, now saying that it was the fault of the system.His Secretary of Homeland Security also bombed out, Janet Napolitano should resign.The terrorists are reacting to weakness at the top in the USA.
That man reminds me so much of James Earl Carter,peanut farmer of Plains,Georgia, the only man ever to see a fighting rabbit and not mistake it for a terrorist.
Obama is weakness personnified, the Iranians are rolling over his pathetic excuses. Obama snubbing the Israelis, look for a major strike by Israel on Iran shortly. How will “Walk on Water” Obama handle that ?
Never has the USA had a President so unfit to lead his own country even less the free world.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I think he is a liar and hypocrite of the first order.
There is a history showing his values and positions, The whole Gates slagging off of the Police and protecting his mate the activist professor.
Then the sealing of all his own records whilst calling for others to be transparent and open, heck he campaigned on that one!
Then the Fort Hood Muslim terrorist event and the delay in acknowledging it and the refusal to witness it as a Muslim terrorist event, The same with the latest plane bomber, in fact he waited 3 days before commenting and only did when he was finally being dissed in the media.
He continues to honour IRAN with it’s full title as the Islamic Republic of Iran. yet doesn’t defend the democracy people.
Taqiyya is the Islamic word for deception over enemies.
Who paid for his Harvard education and why would they pay for a so called christian man?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
“The terrorists are reacting to weakness at the top in the USA.”
The Dems aren’t supporting him on this either.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Gee some people who dish out Karma on this blog are ridiculous.
Trevor Mallard has left a comment on the Requiem for Helen Bain thread and has received a negative karma for it already.
For no apparent reason that any rational mind can fathom
December 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Yet, despite all of these stuff-ups (and they are only the ones we get to hear of down here), it seems that Americans of a certain age (say, under 35) still seem to think he’s the bee’s-knees, and get extremely ‘anti’ if they are questioned about the man’s lack of policies or effectiveness. They simply don’t seem to want to know, or to be prepared to admit that they may have made a mistake in voting for him. Most odd – almost as if there is a willful and delberate ‘blindness’ ‘Obama right or wrong’ seems to be the manta.
Have other Kiwi’s noticed this phenomenon in dealing with (young-ish) Americans since the US presidential election?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
That’s stupid.
The loss of a loved one can be soul destroying, prats.
I even give positive karma to Pete George and I think he is a Prat some days.
Hell I’ve given positive to Billy once.
silly sausage.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Reid & Mike,
One really does have to wonder if Obama is a closet Muslim.
He parrots the common misconception of the west that Islam is a religion of peace.
One needs go no further than the lies, treachery, and murderous acts of terror perpetrated by Mohammed to see the fallacy of such arguments – yet still they persist with these lies.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Komata
It is almost a religious thing rather like the anti Americanism I have found with many Kiwis against the USA.
It’s not rational as you can’t even have a dialogue, the shutters go down over their eyes they are so anti Bush or USA.
I have an American friend (college educated) who voted for OB1 and I can’t understand why, as I sent them all the stuff about his background during the election.
It seems like it is like AGW, they ignore and even downplay the illegalities and twisting as they are so vested.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2009/12/beyond-belief-misplaced-faith-in.html
December 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Reid
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
section 2i
Though 2e should be required reading in all high schools in the West.
can you see that happening here with Neville Key?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Nice one Andrei
Psalm 145 (146)
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
Gratefulness is a state of heart.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
The security lapse is embarrassing for the US but it will be impossible for them to be 100% secure. Calling for resignations at the top over every slip up is ludicrous – how many should have resigned over 9-11? And what good would that have done?
Mike, al you have to learn to understand is that other people can have different ideas and come to different conclusions to you, no matter how right you think you are. No one is guaranteed to be The right one all the time.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
“He parrots the common misconception of the west that Islam is a religion of peace.”
I’d suggest the conception amongst the general population in the west is the opposite of that Kris.
It’s the politicians who keep saying that it’s peaceful but really, what else can they say without inciting a war?
I personally believe it IS a peaceful, albeit false, religion, when you look at the sum total of its billions of adherents. The vast majority are just like you or I and just want a peaceful life.
As usual however, some radical minorities get all the attention. While some on this blog including yourself have clearly not made the same distinction I have, IMO the evidence for what I said is there if you look at it dispassionately although with this subject, objectivity seems a little difficult for some.
It’s an interesting subject. I read some years ago Albert Pike’s alleged letter to Mazzini which predicts three world wars, the last between Islam and the West. Regardless of what you think about its imprimatur, it’s remarkable to have witnessed those very storm clouds gathering force over the last nine years and especially the propaganda dynamics that are building and assisting it.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Pete
you are sooo right.
But on this one you only get one chance and moreover the whole creation is crying out to you if you will but see.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Pete, security-wise, this is a good take on what they should do, from a former EL AL CEO.
Startling example of common-sense, isn’t it.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Ried
I don’t agree with you. on this statement.
I personally believe it IS a peaceful, albeit false, religion, when you look at the sum total of its billions of adherents. The vast majority are just like you or I and just want a peaceful life.
On the whole its adherents know very little about it, but if you read http://www.gfa.,org and http://www.vom.org each week as I have the past 12 years, you would have seen a continuoes movement against all other religions throughout the world and at local and govt level.
The Koran was written as a war document by a man who contradicted himself in his sources. (hence even he says Jesus was the Messaih and born of a virgin!)
Islam is not a peaceful religion it is a means of conquest in all the realms of man, a religion of works.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Reid
yep, El All is the best in the business.
For large groups of people it is logical to profile as Joseph Farah (WND) advocates and he’s an Arabic American so will get stopped everywhere if they do!
December 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Sorry Reid
I forgot to mention the 10% or 100m Muslims (Daniel Pipes) that support the Jihadis or 30% odd in UK (under 30yrs).
so I don’t agree with your
As usual however, some radical minorities get all the attention. While some on this blog including yourself have clearly not made the same distinction I have, IMO the evidence for what I said is there if you look at it dispassionately although with this subject, objectivity seems a little difficult for some.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
I fear that this could be correct, West v Islam is one of the most likely major conflicts, with the inclusion of Israel almost certain to guarantee escalation. I think both sides are as guilty as each other in generating this. The partial western invasion of Iraq has just made an all out war there more likely, the US, GB and assorted allies have shown their potential fallibility.
And who would benefit the most (if there is anything left to benefit from)? The Red Commercial Army?
December 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
MikeNZ fuck I thought you were a septic, you go on about Obama’s tan so much.
Yep, what the yanks really need is another Bush screaming bring it on, hey it worked, over four thousand dead US military.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Sensible targeting/profiling does make sense.
But the US doesn’t seem to have subtle common sense as one of it’s strong points, they seem to be more into might is right, rip shit and bust, overkill etc. They tend to throw the kitchen sink at problems but forget that a reliable plug is important.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
grumpy
got out of bed the wrong way?
whats a septic anyway?
Obama’s tan so much?
your post makes no sense to me.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Mike, I don’t disagree that Islam preaches and practices revolution and conquest in exactly the same way that Soviet Russia did when it claimed to believe in Marxism-Leninism.
As I said, I believe it’s a false religion.
However, most of its adherents are just people like you and I, who just want a peaceful life. I believe most Muslims are exactly like most Christians, they’re mild people and their faith is something they fit their life around not the other way round.
As you get toward the more fanatical end of the spectrum that’s when you get the hard-core minority and these are the people who appear in the media and frankly, some of the preachers from the US Bible Belt aren’t far off some of the more radical Imams.
What the West needs to do with Islam is refuse to tolerate their attempted expansion on the grounds we have a Judeo-Christian heritage and we’re not going to be tolerating anything that interferes with that. For example, in Holland the Muslims have tried to ban Christian Church bells. Bugger off.
Unfortunately, by using PC psychobabble, “diversity” and “tolerance” bullshit is being foisted upon us by politicians and as a result our Western values are being eroded. My response to that is: fuck off. I would tell the Muslims who want to emigrate that they can but we’re not going to change our values to fit in with you, rather it’s the other way around and if you don’t like it, don’t come here. It’s almost too late to do that in Europe but isolated conclaves of resistance are emerging e.g. the recent example in Switzerland which rejected the minarets.
Sadly my attitude is not prevalent amongst western political leaders which is puzzling because it’s quite an obvious thing to do if one had the best interests of their particular western nation at heart. The fact that none of them have ever reacted for decades now as the Muslim invasion has continued apace until its changed the face of Europe, is revealing to me and the reason why is another story.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“And who would benefit the most (if there is anything left to benefit from)? The Red Commercial Army?”
You mean the Chinese Pete? If so, I agree.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Pete et al
wake up we are in it already.
I fear that this could be correct, West v Islam is one of the most likely major conflicts
President Jefferson
Bought a Koran and read it assiduosly to know the barbary enemy of the States.
(rem he was a Christian and scholar).
The states then defeated the Islamic Pirates.
December 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Reid
Europe is on a fast slide to Eurabia.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/dooming_europe.html
It is all war just a different realm.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Reid 12:24 pm,
… and of course the MSM support the politicians in this.
And I think many in the general population accept the lies presented by the politicians and MSM.
That fact that the west has to step so carefully so as to not offend Islam surely reveals that Islam is a powder keg ready to go off at any time. And does this not reveal the core nature of Islam; that it is in fact not a religion of peace?
Is this not one of the catch phrases voiced by Islam (essentially):
“Islam is a religion of peace, and if you disagree I’ll kill you.” ?
I always try to be objective in my observations.
The issue I have with the so called ‘peaceful’ majority is that they seem to be largely quiet following acts of violence perpetrated by one of their own. Is this not in effect implicit agreement of such acts of violence?
Also, most Muslims in western nations still reject the values of their host countries, and push hard for the implimentation of Sharia law and other Islamic practices.
I’ve said this before, but I believe your so called peaceful majority are sleeper radicals awaiting for the Islamic population to reach critical mass. This was indeed one of the methods employed by Mohammed to overthrow his enemies; feign peace until your numbers are such that you can gain control by violence. Surely one needs only to look at much of Europe to see this shift occuring before our very eyes?
And if Islam is a religion of peace why are the bulk (99%) of terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims?
Why are there not a similar number perpetrated by Christians, for instance?
December 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
“if Islam is a religion of peace why are the bulk (99%) of terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims?”
Kris, apologies for my poor choice of words. To clarify, I’m not saying Islam is a religion of peace, I’m saying the vast majority of its adherents are largely peaceful people. I think Islam is an aggressive religion, but that doesn’t mean it condones what people do in its name.
Of course radicals use its name to do bad things, just like fundamentalists in the States kill abortion doctors in the name of Christianity. Does that mean Christianity is not a religion of peace?
“The issue I have with the so called ‘peaceful’ majority is that they seem to be largely quiet following acts of violence perpetrated by one of their own. Is this not in effect implicit agreement of such acts of violence?”
Perhaps you don’t hear the condemnation they do make because you’re not listening for it.
“Also, most Muslims in western nations still reject the values of their host countries, and push hard for the implimentation of Sharia law and other Islamic practices.”
Yes and as I said, I’d confront them on this if I were a politician in an affected country.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Kris and Reid
I layer Muslims in four layers ( you might add a few even).
Folk Muslims – know very little about Islam – use it culturally or for protection and alongside other folk religion.
Muslims – read Koran though often without understanding but support Islam – recognise other religions – Pray for Sharia
Islamists – understand Islam – want a caliphate and Sharia – support Jihadis with resources –
Jihadis – want a caliphate & Sharia – no boundaries to get them.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Christianity is not a religion, Churchianity is.
Christianity are disciples of Jesus/Yeshua in relationship with Him through the Holy Spirit.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Reid 12:52 pm,
… of course there’s Geert Wilders.
But I agree, he’s one of the few that has any testicular fortitude.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
What about the Somalian Woman forced to leave Holland and go to the USA?
December 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
December 30th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Reid 1:09 pm,
As per Mike’s suggested breakdown of ‘typical’ Muslims (percentages for your four categories would be interesting, Mike), I think those that are non violent do not fully understand Islam, and the teachings of Mohammed.
And of course no self respecting Muslim would ever denigrade Mohammed, and his actions during his life.
The difference is that Muslims that perpetrate acts of violence are following Mohammed’s example, whereas Christians that commit acts of violence are not following Christ’s.
Although I can understand the reasoning of a Christian that murders an abortionist; their desire to protect the innocent – not disimilar to Christians fighting to defend their country, perhaps, when you boil it all down. Not necessarily my views, but I can understand this sort of justification.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Is Job 14 as has been quoted a eulogy? I wouldn’t appreciate something like that plastered over my death, but if it was seen as suitable for someone who was religious then it could be appropriate.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
MikeNZ 1:13 pm,
There can be no real dissent in Islam; and certainly not from a feminist (ex?) Muslim.
To dissent, or leave Islam for another faith requires the death of the individual.
Why is this the case? (rhetorical)
December 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Pete George 1:29 pm,
Job was essentially stating that no mater how hard or brief life may be, that he would be resurrected by God. While he couldn’t fully understand it, this was his hope.
I believe the “set time” and “till my change come” refer to this hope of resurrection.
Of course, Job was a man of faith.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
You have all seen and read Lord of the Rings, and probably wondered about Aragorn, Son of Arrowroot.
Check out this fan movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINwCRM8acM
December 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Kris
Daniel Pipes on his website has a number of articles on Islam and %’s, his take is that Islamists and Jihadis could make up 100m around the world, though how that translates into action soldiers I’m not sure.
At present the safe havens is the issue of the day (which is fluctuating all the time) as the US plays stomp a mole around the world as the EU becomes Eurabia.
Russia and China try and make the most of the US’s diversions for themselves and the OIC within the UN seeks to emasculate any consensus against Islam’s aims as the UN seeks to free itself from the Nations to stand alone.
As the rest of us have our heads in the sand as we jockey for our own pet needs and hates and pockets.
December 30th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I just finished watching the entire 1h 11m of this fan flick. Initially I was expecting some spotty teenagers jumping around saying “I am Arathorn”. But it is actually a damn good movie with some people who could act. With a few hundred million dollars and Weta workshops behind them, the director could be on to something. The orcs are pretty much as good as anything you saw in the Jackson movie. There is even what looks like a CGI troll. Oh, and thanks for the negative karma, I haven’t had much of it lately.
December 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Conspiracy theories about Obama are going to turn me into a democrat if not a socialist out of pure sympathy. Let me get this straight -he’s a closet radical muslim planted in some way by jihadists ?Have you guys seen ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ by any chance? Like the ‘birther’ claims , just a crock of shit that make the right look like idiots. And I am right wing.Target the ball not the man and attack his policies.
December 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
This paper may just put the Climate Alarmist Religion finally to bed.
It’s heavyweight stuff but in the end everything is physics.
In their recently revised and re-published paper, Dr Gerlich debunks AGW and shows that the IPCC “consensus” atmospheric physics model tying CO2 to global warming is not only unverifiable, but actually violates basic laws of physics, i.e. the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics. The latest version of this momentous scientific paper appears in the March 2009 edition of the International Journal of Modern Physics.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
The central claims of Dr. Gerlich and his colleague, Dr. Ralf Tscheuschner, include, but are not limited to:
1) The mechanism of warming in an actual greenhouse is different than the mechanism of warming in the atmosphere, therefore it is not a “greenhouse” effect and should be called something else.
2) The climate models that predict catastrophic global warming also result in a net heat flow from atmospheric greenhouse gasses to the warmer ground, which is in violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Essentially, any machine which transfers heat from a low temperature reservoir to a high temperature reservoir without external work applied cannot exist. If it did it would be a “perpetual motion machine” – the realm of pure sci-fi.
Gerlich’s and Tscheuschner’s independent theoretical study is detailed in a lengthy (115 pages), mathematically complex (144 equations, 13 data tables, and 32 figures or graphs), and well-sourced (205 references) paper. The German physicists prove that even if CO2 concentrations double (a prospect even global warming advocates admit is decades away), the thermal conductivity of air would not change more than 0.03%. They show that the classic concept of the glass greenhouse wholly fails to replicate the physics of Earth’s climate.
They also prove that a greenhouse operates as a “closed” system while the planet works as an “open” system and the term “atmospheric greenhouse effect” does not occur in any fundamental work involving thermodynamics, physical kinetics, or radiation theory. All through their paper the German scientists show how the greenhouse gas theory relies on guesstimates about the scientific properties involved to “calculate” the chaotic interplay of such a myriad and unquantifiable array of factors that is beyond even the abilities of the most powerful of modern supercomputers.
The paper’s introduction states it neatly:
(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming
phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse
effects, (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface
temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33
degrees Celsius is a meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the
formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately, (e) the
assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical, (f) thermal
conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric
greenhouse conjecture is falsified.
This thorough debunking of the theory of man made warming disproves
that there exists a mechanism whereby carbon dioxide in the cooler
upper atmosphere exerts any thermal “forcing” effect on the warmer
surface below. To do so would violate both the First and Second Laws
of Thermodynamics. As there is no glass roof on the earth to trap the
excess heat, it escapes upward into space.Thus we may conclude that
the common sense axioms are preserved so that the deeper the ocean,
the colder the water and heat rises, it does not fall. QED.
http://tinyurl.com/ya4ew58
December 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
JohnB
lets just take his sealing all his records whilst calling for openness and transparency.
December 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Owen, Ive only skim read your piece but wouldn’t warming in the cooler upper atmosphere slow the rate of heat transfer as the temperature differential would decrease rather than directly transfering heat. Conversely, and I believe this to be another large mitigating factor of climate change, the warmer upper atmosphere would then have a higher heat differential with space and the rate of heat transfer there would increase.
December 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
For the paranoid. Cellphone codes cracked.
Eavesdrop fears as mobile phone security codes cracked
ASHER MOSES
December 30, 2009 – 11:29AM
http://www.elementary-solutions.com
Billions of mobile phone users around the world are at risk of having their calls intercepted and recorded after hackers broke the encryption used to protect 80 per cent of the world’s mobiles.
People regularly trading in confidential information, such as Government officials and executives, would be the most likely eavesdropping targets but virtually anyone with enough skills and determination could harness the research for nefarious means, security experts warn.
German computer engineer Karsten Nohl told a hacker conference in Berlin that he and his team decoded the GSM (Global System for Mobile Communication) encryption algorithm to draw attention to gaping security holes in the technology and drive mobile operators to patch them.
About 80 per cent – or 3.5 billion – of the world’s mobiles are based on GSM, which is over 20 years old.
In Australia, virtually every mobile phone uses GSM or a variation of it after Telstra shut down its ageing CDMA network, Telsyte research director Warren Chaisatien said.
Nohl, who has published the secret GSM encryption code online, told the Chaos Communication Congress this week that a skilled eavesdropper using basic equipment and free software could be recording phone calls within 15 minutes, The Guardian reported.
“This shows that existing GSM security is inadequate,” Nohl, 28, said, insisting his work was purely academic.
“We are trying to push operators to adopt better security measures for mobile phone calls.”
Security experts including mobile encryption firm Cellcrypt said it would be largely skilled hackers and well-funded criminals who would have access to the technology and expertise required to intercept calls..
However, Cellcrypt’s Ian Meakin told the BBC that Nohl’s work was still a “massive worry”.
“It lowers the bar for people and organisations to crack GSM calls. It inadvertently puts these tools and techniques in the hands of criminals,” Meakin said.
The GSM Association, which devised the algorithm, said Nohl’s work was illegal and admitted intercepting calls using his method was “theoretically possible but practically unlikely”. It said it was taking the security threat very seriously.
Nohl claims he consulted lawyers before publishing his findings and insists he is operating within the law. But he conceded the data he produced could be used for illegitimate purposes, such as to create a phone tapping device.
“What he is doing would be illegal in Britain and the United States. To do this while supposedly being concerned about privacy is beyond me,” GSM association spokeswoman Claire Cranton told The New York Times.
Nohl is developing a solid reputation in the hacker community after a similar campaign last year that led to an update to the security protecting millions of cordless home phones.
Several hacker groups had earlier signalled their intentions to crack the GSM algorithm, which protects calls by scrambling the communications link between the radio base station and handset.
Serious security flaws in the technology were discovered and exposed as early as 1994.
A newer, more secure version of the algorithm has been developed by the GSM Association but it has not yet been implemented by most mobile mobile network operators around the world.
December 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Owen don’t tell us, tell those drongos in Wellington. You are mostly preaching to the converted here. Our problem lies with the politicians who know AGW is a crock of shit but for various reasons of their own have their heads firmly stuck up their arsehole’s and refuse to come out for air. Of course it’s about the money and any chance to take more of our wealth is seen as a gift from God. Shonkey should be ashamed but I believe his idiot sidekick actually believes in this crap, beyond help.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
hey big blouse bruv coward of the county where is Insolent Prick?
December 30th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Stealing his records?.Come on MikeD. I bet you read that on the internet, right?. If there is was anything substantial on Obama don’t you think it would be on the 6 oclock news like when ihs pastor was outed as racist?
December 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Oh big blouse, who was once an insolent prick push the down karma button you big tough pansy.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
2009′s best climate-change cartoons.
December 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Another good cartoon: In 6 days
December 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Watching you spam WaPo shit gets old, Delirium.
December 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Don’t ask me why Hurf, but you bring to mind this chorus:
Mental vomit
spews of thoughts
like nothing that was ever taught
Self learned and self inflicted
Judge and jury, self convicted
Retching, wretched, thoughts rejected
Doom is all that is projected
Mental vomit inside wrought from victim brain forever caught
Mental vomit
December 30th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
I’m honoured, Pete.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
As usual, the Islamophobes vent their selected histories and their prejudices, but offer no solution to their conundrum – well, nothing sensible, anyway: I do remember Kris K saying once something like he wants Islam to disappear; like yeah right, how insightful. Not.
Reid presents what is probably one course of action – resist any intrusion on our freedoms by Muslim immigrants. I would also suggest engage them and promote economic advancement in Muslim lands. One way to assist people largely under the hammer of despotic regimes is to respond to the global warming imperative by drastically reducing our dependence on oil, thus reducing the flow of income to those regimes, forcing them to rely on their people to innovate and expand their economies.
The second is to stop setting out to kill them so readily and so needlessly, as is currently occurring in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine (via the US client state, Israel).
One things for sure, constantly demonising over a billion people for the actions of a very few is simply neither constructive nor sensible.
Finally a poster above said Muslims commit all the terrorist attacks. Crap. The US and Israel, with a bit of help from other craven western nations like us, carry out the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks throughout the world – state terror or state-sponsored terror is still terror.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Yeah, them fucking septics and hymies. How fucking dare they. Hasta la victoria siempre! You’ll be able to add Yemenis to your list of oppressed third worlders attacked by evil Westerners pretty soon, Puke. Maybe a “pharmaceutical factory” will be hit.
More terror attacks in the US this year than any other year since 2001. Here’s to the 2010s!
December 30th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
You must have missed the reports of drone attacks in Yemen, Hurfie.
And given the usual “collateral damage” hit ratio of those drones, the local just must love them.
But hey, just some more dead Muslims, right?
War Without End.
No need to think solutions; just kill.
December 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Al Qaeda stops plotting and bombing, we stop shooting. Simple as.
December 31st, 2009 at 12:07 am
I don’t believe you really believe that. Surely no-one who can operate a computer can be that stupid!
Think of this by way of comparison: were the French Resistance heroes or terrorists? Maybe insurgents?
December 31st, 2009 at 1:10 am
Are you comparing the French Resistance to Al Qaeda? You really are a certifiable fruitloop, Luc. You should get seen to by a professional.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:50 am
“were the French Resistance heroes or terrorists”
Largely ineffective. But apparently every French man was a member, at least after the war.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Also Helen Clark ONZ? unbe-fucking-lievable.
Next it will be the Nobel Prize in Economics to Cullen.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
Quote’s from Helen:
Classy.
December 31st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Brian 3:01
Great movie, I just watched it. Considering it’s a fan movie, I say well done.
Sonny 8:05
Helen’s quote – does she actually believe what she said?
The woman is clearly so far removed from reality she has no idea.
She was the most immoral leader we’ve had in a long time. Hers was a leadership intent on maintaining power at all cost, nothing to do with serving the people, or looking out for their best interests.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am
John B (18) Says:
December 30th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Stealing his records?.Come on MikeD. I bet you read that on the internet, right?.
I think Mike used the words “sealing”, not stealing. I don’t know how much traction the birthers have with Obama and whether or not he was born in the US, but Obama could put the whole thing to bed by simply releasing and producing his long form birth certificate. He refuses to do this and this has people asking questions.
Also, I do not believe that Obama is an Islamist, but he is a Marxist at heart with roots in ACORN.
Bill
January 1st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
He is not a Marxist, he is a hypocrite and Liar.
marxists don’t want to make tons of dosh they seek to enslave you.