Comments on: Jeanette on Factory Farms

By: kiki

kiki — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:17:13 +0000

Water pollution is one of the major issues with the dairy plan. even at low levels ~2 mg/l nitrate nitrogen is potentially toxic to fish and other animals. Also algae blooms are becoming quite common in low land rivers. All those rivers lead to the sea and it is unknown what extra nutrients could cause in this environment. We could get large toxic algal blooms off our coasts which effect the proposed marine farms. Nothing is simple.

By: kowtow

kowtow — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:03:22 +0000

Lofty doesn’t get irony,come the revolution everyone can have some.

By: jackp

jackp — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:33:38 +0000

Good to know Janette wants more freedom for cows than people… she is a watermelon.

By: bill hicks

bill hicks — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:25:09 +0000

If jeanette loves animals like camels,ant eaters,cows,praying mantis,cats etc at her age instead of worring about them,shouldn’t she be at home playing with her pussy????????

[DPF: 30 demerits]

By: lofty

lofty — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:50:17 +0000

Woohoo.. kowtow is preaching REVOLUTION, bring it on wanker… it will be you kowtowing to us wealthy white males.

lets have ya!!!

By: kowtow

kowtow — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:29:14 +0000

Brian Smaller @
280 million shitting in the streets cultural quaintness…….untouchables(as they used to be called) with rattan baskets on their backs clearing shit from the base of low rise apartment blocks with a hand trowel and carrying it to a dump is cultural quaintness while having one of the biggest navies in the world and a nuclear weapons program is post colonial,anti imperialist non aligned indepedence.

Manolo@155pm
Just remember that ox pulling the cart has been put under the yoke to be exploited by right wing ,white ,capitalist,oppressive males and come the revolution will be set free to roam on green pastures .

By: Adolf Fiinkensein

Adolf Fiinkensein — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:00:10 +0000

Andrei, get with it, Man. It’s not the punters who count. It’s the polies who slap on the tariffs using our new found practices as an excuse. God knows they need little enough encouragement. BTW, there was a typo. Eighteen should have read ‘eight.’

By: malcolm

malcolm — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:56:12 +0000

Don’t count on it. Marketing isn’t fair and balanced. There are many ways to quietly run down the competition. E.g. a UK dairy-farming organisation could sponsor a journalist on a trip to NZ to see “The truth about NZ’s clean and green dairy industry”.

By: Put it away

Put it away — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:32:47 +0000

It’s not likely to come up as a negative advertising campaign, any competitor in the same price bracket is going to have similar farming practices. Some holier-than-thou boutique “organic” hippy brand might be able to claim a squeaky clean record in their entire production chain, but their product will cost twice as much.

By: malcolm

malcolm — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:33:33 +0000

I don’t think the average punter in the supermarket even associates the cheddar they are thinking about purchasing with cows..

Until it’s bought to their attention by a competitor via a negative/comparative advertising campaign.

This happened with NZ butter in the UK a few years ago. It was targeted as having a very large carbon footprint (due to the shipping). As it turned out this was an own-goal for the people who said this (can’t remember who exactly) because it was subsequently shown that NZ butter reaches the UK supermarket shelf with a substantially smaller footprint that UK-made butter.

By: andrei

andrei — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:27:39 +0000

If you REALLY want to fuck up our export markets, just go ahead and put 18,000 cows in barns for eighteen months on end.

That’s a bogey man – I don’t think the average punter in the supermarket even associates the cheddar they are thinking about purchasing with cows, let alone wondering about how the cows are raised nor the intricacies of cheese production.

No it is price, value for money and quality that is foremost in their thoughts.

By: Adolf Fiinkensein

Adolf Fiinkensein — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:03:33 +0000

Well, in this case, I think Genetix is right. If you REALLY want to fuck up our export markets, just go ahead and put 18,000 cows in barns for eighteen months on end. But then again, maybe the Bro from Kaitaia will buy the barns for the Ayrabs, eh boy?

By: david

david — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:43:27 +0000

Toad, proof of warming effect please. I know you must get as sick of not answering that question as the rest of us do of asking it.

BTW, have you not caught up with the latest research which shows with a higher degree of probability than Mr Mann has so far experienced, that it was CFCs and solar particles that have causede the (very small) warming effect over the last 50 years and that this is now reversing.

So is it OK to make Polar Bear skin cold weather gear to protect against the cooling effects? or do we have to process another shitload of oil to make polypro thermals? or do we just get on and make wool? Which of these options is preferable to the Greens? I really need to know for my next big business venture into capturing an economic benefit from climate change by going countercyclical.

By: RRM

RRM — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:59:44 +0000

Manolo (1019) Says: “What do the Greens really want? They would like to send New Zealand back to the pre-industrial age, to the oxen and cart, to an old-fashioned agrarian dictatorship where the Luddites will dictate what to do. They hate machinery, factories, industrial facilities; and overall despise modernity. The Greens would have us on subsistence level, without exploiting any natural resources.”

Mr Garrett!! Hello!

You’ll be needing a strawman to drive that ox-cart for you….

By: Manolo

Manolo — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:55:58 +0000

What do the Greens really want?

They would like to send New Zealand back to the pre-industrial age, to the oxen and cart, to an old-fashioned agrarian dictatorship where the Luddites will dictate what to do.

They hate machinery, factories, industrial facilities; and overall despise modernity. The Greens would have us on subsistence level, without exploiting any natural resources.

By: Brian Smaller

Brian Smaller — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:49:34 +0000

Jeanette Fitsimmons is a Green. Nine million cows farting in New Zealand, whether in fields or in cow stalls, is bad. However, 280 million shitting on the streets of India is cultural quiantness.

By: Bevan

Bevan — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:45:02 +0000

Can the Greens actually come up with a solution that doesnt involve ruining the livelyhoods of the nations farmers, with flow on effects to – oh I dont know – every fucken citizen in the country.

What do they really want? Thousands of Kiwis starving from famine? Do they want to turn New Zealand into a modern day Ethiopia?

By: Murray

Murray — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:26:52 +0000

I assumed as much.

By: lofty

lofty — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:05:38 +0000

Just feeling a bit frivolous today Murray. Not serious about this, I actually think it is a crock.

By: RRM

RRM — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:52:16 +0000

“I am amused that Jeanette responds to a tweet on Twitter with a column in the NZ Herald!”

Former political party leader takes issues seriously. Astonishing!

PS: interesting to note that it is now “supposed ozone depletion” – the race to the dark ages continues. Awesome.

[DPF: My point is that respond to columns with columns and respond to tweets with tweets]