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		<title>By: veritas</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-644015</link>
		<dc:creator>veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MyNameIsJack,

what makes you think that as organised religion declines in the west, atheism rises? that is not the case at all; people merely fill the gap with ghosts, wedjie boards, tarot cards, deification of the earth (i.e Gaia), other forms of paganism and a myriad of other new age beliefs. In a word, supersition. At least mainstream claims to have a philosophical and theological basis.

Futhermore, I&#039;m not sure how anyone can applaud the cleric who put up this billboard; he is a complete hypocrite. On his website, he criticises fundementalist Christianity for failing to look after the poor, and for failing to &#039;love thy neighbout;. If this priest is so concerned for the poor, why would he waste money on a pointless and tasteless ad??? how can he criticise fellow christians for failing to show love and compassion, when the purpose of this billboard is demonstrably to offend and lapoon? whose failing to be a Christian now?

ALso, what ever happened to intellectual honesty? I mean, if this guy wants to hold and preach those beliefs, then go ahead. But shouldnt he leave the religion which he seeks to undermine? isnt this an issue of false advertising? Its as if the president of the atheist society goes to church every sunday. Or is it that he cant quite relinquish the financial tit of the Anglican Church, as well as the fact aht if he was no longer in his clerical position, he would just be another crazy, washed-up hippie? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MyNameIsJack,</p>
<p>what makes you think that as organised religion declines in the west, atheism rises? that is not the case at all; people merely fill the gap with ghosts, wedjie boards, tarot cards, deification of the earth (i.e Gaia), other forms of paganism and a myriad of other new age beliefs. In a word, supersition. At least mainstream claims to have a philosophical and theological basis.</p>
<p>Futhermore, I&#8217;m not sure how anyone can applaud the cleric who put up this billboard; he is a complete hypocrite. On his website, he criticises fundementalist Christianity for failing to look after the poor, and for failing to &#8216;love thy neighbout;. If this priest is so concerned for the poor, why would he waste money on a pointless and tasteless ad??? how can he criticise fellow christians for failing to show love and compassion, when the purpose of this billboard is demonstrably to offend and lapoon? whose failing to be a Christian now?</p>
<p>ALso, what ever happened to intellectual honesty? I mean, if this guy wants to hold and preach those beliefs, then go ahead. But shouldnt he leave the religion which he seeks to undermine? isnt this an issue of false advertising? Its as if the president of the atheist society goes to church every sunday. Or is it that he cant quite relinquish the financial tit of the Anglican Church, as well as the fact aht if he was no longer in his clerical position, he would just be another crazy, washed-up hippie? </p>
<p>creep</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that self worship seems to be rife - self, money, possessions and status symbols. 

Mike, I don&#039;t need an excuse to ignore God, I just have no reason to believe in it. I have no reason to trash either, I think I understand why some people believe. And I also understand better now why some people feel offended by what they see in the poster, although I don&#039;t see it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that self worship seems to be rife &#8211; self, money, possessions and status symbols. </p>
<p>Mike, I don&#8217;t need an excuse to ignore God, I just have no reason to believe in it. I have no reason to trash either, I think I understand why some people believe. And I also understand better now why some people feel offended by what they see in the poster, although I don&#8217;t see it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643963</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MNIJ - You are confused about rejection of religion. The affluent simply de-focuses on established religions, and each person unwittingly builds themselves into a little god. They become the object of their own worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MNIJ &#8211; You are confused about rejection of religion. The affluent simply de-focuses on established religions, and each person unwittingly builds themselves into a little god. They become the object of their own worship.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack
I take a contrary view as I know people who are far better educated than I who are Christians, some are professionals and some scientists as well as tradespeople and students.

I think the reality is people per se look for an excuse to ignore/trash God which is their choice,
But on the last day their choice and pride will be self evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack<br />
I take a contrary view as I know people who are far better educated than I who are Christians, some are professionals and some scientists as well as tradespeople and students.</p>
<p>I think the reality is people per se look for an excuse to ignore/trash God which is their choice,<br />
But on the last day their choice and pride will be self evident.</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsJack</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643869</link>
		<dc:creator>MyNameIsJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes,

Simply look at which parts of the world are the most educated and the most religious and compare the trend. Even in the good ole US of A, the lesser educated south is more religious than the better educated North.

As you stated earlier, religion is growing fast in the 3rd world, especially in under educated parts of Africa and South America,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes,</p>
<p>Simply look at which parts of the world are the most educated and the most religious and compare the trend. Even in the good ole US of A, the lesser educated south is more religious than the better educated North.</p>
<p>As you stated earlier, religion is growing fast in the 3rd world, especially in under educated parts of Africa and South America,</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MNIJ – so this &#039;well known fact&#039; shows that religious people are uneducated (ergo not intelligent) while atheists are more educated (ergo more intelligent). Quite controversial I should have thought. Apart from your well paraded bigotry, do you have any supporting evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MNIJ – so this &#8216;well known fact&#8217; shows that religious people are uneducated (ergo not intelligent) while atheists are more educated (ergo more intelligent). Quite controversial I should have thought. Apart from your well paraded bigotry, do you have any supporting evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsJack</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyNameIsJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;MikeNZ (685) Says: 

December 18th, 2009 at 8:01 am 
It isn’t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish West.
but then it isn’t really dying, those who aren’t but have called themselves Christians are now calling them selves what they are, not.
23,000 people come to Christ in China every day some to persecution, just as many in Muslim countries too.
&lt;/i&gt;

And all that proves is the well known fact, the more educated people become, the less they need to cling to myth and fairytale. Shine the light of knowledge on religion and it shrinks into the dark recesses.</description>
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<p>December 18th, 2009 at 8:01 am<br />
It isn’t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish West.<br />
but then it isn’t really dying, those who aren’t but have called themselves Christians are now calling them selves what they are, not.<br />
23,000 people come to Christ in China every day some to persecution, just as many in Muslim countries too.<br />
</i></p>
<p>And all that proves is the well known fact, the more educated people become, the less they need to cling to myth and fairytale. Shine the light of knowledge on religion and it shrinks into the dark recesses.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bill board highlights the absurdity of the virgin birth myth.  Jesus Chris was an important prophet who beliefs such as forgiveness has stood the test of time.  I just wish we could drop the nonsence like the virgin birth, walking on water etc and get get some reality into things.  The basic beliefs of christianity of good, can&#039;t argue with the 10 commandments, like the concept of forgiveness though it is not well understood, treating others well and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill board highlights the absurdity of the virgin birth myth.  Jesus Chris was an important prophet who beliefs such as forgiveness has stood the test of time.  I just wish we could drop the nonsence like the virgin birth, walking on water etc and get get some reality into things.  The basic beliefs of christianity of good, can&#8217;t argue with the 10 commandments, like the concept of forgiveness though it is not well understood, treating others well and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643662</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It isn’t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish [and dying] West.&quot;

That is indeed true: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-jesus-1-1-webjun22,0,2458211.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It isn’t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish [and dying] West.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is indeed true: <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-jesus-1-1-webjun22,0,2458211.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-jesus-1-1-webjun22,0,2458211.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mann</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643658</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an atheist, I find it deeply disturbing that this so-called &#039;church&#039; should mock, satirise and ridicule itself and its stupid beliefs in such an effective way. This is not the way it should be. This poster should have been used by our lot on our next bus campaign. I think our advertising agency has switched sides and this just goes to prove that there is no loyalty when it comes to commercial interests and it raises some serious questions about intellectual property rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an atheist, I find it deeply disturbing that this so-called &#8216;church&#8217; should mock, satirise and ridicule itself and its stupid beliefs in such an effective way. This is not the way it should be. This poster should have been used by our lot on our next bus campaign. I think our advertising agency has switched sides and this just goes to prove that there is no loyalty when it comes to commercial interests and it raises some serious questions about intellectual property rights.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643625</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish West.
but then it isn&#039;t really dying, those who aren&#039;t but have called themselves Christians are now calling them selves what they are, not.
23,000 people come to Christ in China every day some to persecution, just as many in Muslim countries too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t dying in the third world just the self complacent, selfish West.<br />
but then it isn&#8217;t really dying, those who aren&#8217;t but have called themselves Christians are now calling them selves what they are, not.<br />
23,000 people come to Christ in China every day some to persecution, just as many in Muslim countries too.</p>
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		<title>By: medusa</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643616</link>
		<dc:creator>medusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it my imagination or do they look like Mike Hoskin and Kate Hawksby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it my imagination or do they look like Mike Hoskin and Kate Hawksby?</p>
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		<title>By: Don the Kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643615</link>
		<dc:creator>Don the Kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt; And they wonder why Christianity  is dying.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, Christianity is growing, and has been for two thousand years - and still is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i> And they wonder why Christianity  is dying.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, Christianity is growing, and has been for two thousand years &#8211; and still is.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Black</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643601</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of religion cannot poke fun at itself? And they wonder why Christianity is dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of religion cannot poke fun at itself? And they wonder why Christianity is dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a sad comment on our education system that some believe in virgin births. The dark ages never ended for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a sad comment on our education system that some believe in virgin births. The dark ages never ended for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643598</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My complaint with the billboard is that it is the usual eurocentric depiction of Joseph, Mary (and by extension, Jesus) with a distinctly caucasian look when the truth is they were, if they ever existed, and I have no doubt they did not, Arabs, who in those days were short, swarthy and very, very dark.

But isn&#039;t it a lovely fairy tale, all the same?  Our Xmas tree&#039;s lights and baubles just entrance our lovely baby daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My complaint with the billboard is that it is the usual eurocentric depiction of Joseph, Mary (and by extension, Jesus) with a distinctly caucasian look when the truth is they were, if they ever existed, and I have no doubt they did not, Arabs, who in those days were short, swarthy and very, very dark.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t it a lovely fairy tale, all the same?  Our Xmas tree&#8217;s lights and baubles just entrance our lovely baby daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643596</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;WTF are you doing posting about religion during this time of year? It only brings out the moonbats :)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Quite right Clint, pete george &amp; billy bonkers couldn&#039;t help but fall for this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>WTF are you doing posting about religion during this time of year? It only brings out the moonbats <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>Quite right Clint, pete george &amp; billy bonkers couldn&#8217;t help but fall for this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF are you doing posting about religion during this time of year? It only brings out the moonbats :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF are you doing posting about religion during this time of year? It only brings out the moonbats <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Family First. This billboard is an abomination and it insults the incredible story of Jesus Christ.   I think the message certainly misses the message entirely. But like all shallow messages it has to bring sex into the picture. Family First is right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Family First. This billboard is an abomination and it insults the incredible story of Jesus Christ.   I think the message certainly misses the message entirely. But like all shallow messages it has to bring sex into the picture. Family First is right on.</p>
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		<title>By: billyborker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/now_theyre_complaing_about_a_church.html#comment-643587</link>
		<dc:creator>billyborker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletch, where did Christ

a) Claim immaculate conception,
b) Claim virgin birth,
c) Make belief in both essential to following him?

These are Man made constructs.

Oh, but hang on ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletch, where did Christ</p>
<p>a) Claim immaculate conception,<br />
b) Claim virgin birth,<br />
c) Make belief in both essential to following him?</p>
<p>These are Man made constructs.</p>
<p>Oh, but hang on &#8230;</p>
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