You are a fool. I’m not either of those left wing retards. It says a lot that you so sensitive about your beliefs that you assume only one person disagrees and needs different personas to do it. Maybe it’s the devil!

Spreading hate would be…calling someone an idiot? How un-christian!

You sound like a Grade A f**kwit

Why don’t you go spread your hate elsewhere, you schizoid?

Rufus,
Ignore this idiot, he manifests himself in various personas and likes to have a dig at Christians and wind them up. He wallows in his own ignorance, pride, and hate. His previous incarnation, Billy Borker, was just banned, and the other one he still uses, MyNameIsJack, has also been banned in the past.

Just ignore him, he eventually goes away like a bad smell does.

they don’t want to know or engage as at the core of all the arguements they believe everything came from nothing.

It’s called a singularity Mike, not nothing

Evidence for it includes both the white noise detected in radio telescopy and the movement of galaxies away from each other.

“Order” from “chaos” – snowflakes.

“Order” from “chaos” – complicated knots in the headphones you left in your pocket all day.

But I probably don’t agree with your definitions of “order” and “chaos” anyway.

The Bible teaches it is possible for it to be night AND day at the same time in the world. A few centuries ago many would have laughed at such a thought.

Only 500 years or so ago, many were convinced that Columbus would fall of the edge of the earth, because our planet was believed to be flat. The Bible explains the opposite.

Doctors today know that the best time to circumcise a baby is on the eighth day, when there is more Vitamin K and prothrombin in the blood, which means less bleeding, less pain and a better healing process. Genesis 17:10-12 prescribed circumcision on the eighth day.

Many of the ancients beleived that our planet was resting on the back of some giant creature, yet in Job 26:7 it is written “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.”

Ancient? Yes. Scientific? Yes. Out-of-date? No. Trustworthy? Yes.

Dean

http://christian-truths2.blogspot.com/

This is not my intention, but simply to relay the truth of the Bible.

“People don’t really want to think anymore”..so they get their world view from an ancient book.

Go ahead and tell me again I need to think or I get my world view from TV or pop culture. You sound like a Grade A f**kwit

For macro-evolution (assuming you mean the transition from one species to another) to occur, there are only two necessary conditions. One is that natural selection does occur, and the other is that there is enough time for speciation to occur. Natural selection is observable- cf. pepper moth responses to pollution. And since Clair Patterson established the age of the Earth (and indeed, earlier when Rutherford proved that Kelvin’s heat decay estimate was wrong), there has been enough time. The conditions for speciation are met.

Speciation is also observable in the fossil records. It was during the era of canal building in the UK where marine invertebrate fossils were carefully mapped out, that these continuous changes were first noticed. The opening data from the fossil record didn’t have any gaps, as small marine invertebrates it turns out, provide ideal fossil records. There’s a lot of them, they don’t move around, and the die in sediments that make fossilisation more likely. Speciation was accepted in the 19th C scientific community before Darwin and Wallace put pen to paper.

The reason I don’t believe that the human eye has been designed, is because it is built backwards. Unlike arthropod eyes, where the nerves are at the back of the retina, the human eye has its nerves at the front so that it is forced to loop back through the retina in a cluster. This creates a ‘blind-spot’- an area of the retina we can’t see to use. Oops, not very clever really.

Simply stating that something is complex, hence must be designed, isn’t evidence of ID. You’ve just folded the phenomenon into the cause.

Lets now consider your jump to the origin of life. This doesn’t require miracles. What it requires is a certain combination of atmospheric conditions and opportunities. Since the 1950s, we have in lab simulations, been generating the amino acids (and other cellular like structures) in settings that mimic these early conditions on planet earth. With adenine- the experiments have been so successful that commercial manufacturing of adenine is based on these experiments.

But you don’t prove Creationism/ID to be correct by arguing that evolution is unlikely or wrong. You prove that Creationsim/ID is a better theory by assembling evidence and publishing it in academic journals. That hasn’t happened- intelligent people haven’t been publishing pro-Creationist evidence in academic papers. And Creationism is full of holes.

Why did God put so much junk DNA into our genes? If he’s an intelligent designer, why waste that material?
Why did he pick DNA when it is so vulnerable to UV radiation? Our planet is covered in the stuff.
Why did he pick DNA when it doesn’t actually work to create proteins until RNA is applied. Why not just stick to RNA, it works for viruses?
Why would people be designed with an appendix?
Why would the human eye be designed backwards?
How did marsupials get to Australia before other mammals? Are wombats capable of faster migration than tigers and foxes?
If species were designed, they’d be the best fit for their environment. Why then, do invasive species threaten so many native species with extinction. Weren’t the natives designed to be a better fit?
If God is a caring, benevolent creator, why have we had so many mass extinction of species?
If speciation doesn’t occur, why generate marine fossil invertebrates that show it occurs?
If the earth was created recently, why does radioactive-isotope testing say otherwise? If the speed of geological processes has changed, why?

Science is not an area where people agree to disagree. It is an area where evidence is used to discern merits of different cases.

and thanks for that second link. Good to read.

Rufus

In Luke 10:5-9, Jesus told us to deal with the man of peace, that is who God has prepared for us.
Do you see one here that is seeking Him? (http://www.ethnicharvest.org/links/articles/bridges_man_of_peace.htm)

Just for you.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/power_to_the_conservative_peop.html

Sorry, last post on this topic on this thread.

re: order from chaos – your examples of a market organisation and the evolution of english involve intelligent beings.

Darwinian macro-evolution doesn’t.

It relies on chance. No intelligence, no plan, no direction.

Just chance and a bunch of amino acids eventually becoming a design marvel like the human eye. Order from chaos.

That’s the theory.

But like I said, I respect your contribution to this blog, I love your photos, and I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree here.

Peace

Rufus

“A virgin birth only requires one miraculous intervention”

Whereas Darwinian macro-evolution requires a squillion miracles. None has ever been recorded/observed.

– thanks.

I thought maybe it was my style, maybe I was on the wrong tack, language or whatever.

I have difficulty debating/arguing/conversing with most people these days.

People don’t really want to think any more.

Most seem to pick up some random bits from school/uni/tv/pop press and hey presto, they’ve got their world-view. Done, no more thinking required.

When you present a reasonable argument, and they discover you’re a Christian, the old fundamentalist/nutter/hypocrite/intolerant/self-righteous etc labels come out.

Kind of sad really.

Peace

Rufus

As MikeNZ reminded me earlier today:
Sometimes it really is pearl before swine.
I usually try about three times, but after that I generally give up unless I sense the person is genuine.

I think you’ve explained yourself pretty clearly.

Your posts show that you need things to be explained or directed by someone. That is fair enough. I like to determine my own path, and not ignore the answers that evolution has provided us. Each to their own.

Go and pray for me if you think it will help. Hey, maybe even rip out a few more pages of the bible that you don’t like. Meanwhile I will relax and live my own life.

Pray for him. It’ll be more effective at this point.

Where have I gone wrong here? How could I have handled this better?

Thanks,

Rufus