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	<title>Comments on: Salinger firing upheld</title>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645391</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Pete
He was saying that Based on the evidence so far with some of the climate people - Not all of the data may have been put up for perusal!

That&#039;s what happens when you lose trust by your emails being leaked, no matter how world class you may be.

It takes a life to build trust and a reputation and a moment to lose it. (as different Universities will find from Climategate I hope)

That&#039;s why character counts!
Rightly or wrongly, that&#039;s also why people now suspect all climate people of being in on the loop to fudge both info/data and reports on that info/data.
That it involves 5-6 or 50-60 doesn&#039;t matter everyone gets looked at awry like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Pete<br />
He was saying that Based on the evidence so far with some of the climate people &#8211; Not all of the data may have been put up for perusal!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when you lose trust by your emails being leaked, no matter how world class you may be.</p>
<p>It takes a life to build trust and a reputation and a moment to lose it. (as different Universities will find from Climategate I hope)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why character counts!<br />
Rightly or wrongly, that&#8217;s also why people now suspect all climate people of being in on the loop to fudge both info/data and reports on that info/data.<br />
That it involves 5-6 or 50-60 doesn&#8217;t matter everyone gets looked at awry like.</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645385</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - MikeNZ asked for all their data to be published. Do you support that suggestion? FWIW I do. Publishing &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; of their data just raises questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; MikeNZ asked for all their data to be published. Do you support that suggestion? FWIW I do. Publishing <i>some</i> of their data just raises questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645381</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wee bit disingenuous there&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who is? Are you trying to say the research of your good friend was world class but the work of some of his colleagues is suspect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wee bit disingenuous there</p></blockquote>
<p>Who is? Are you trying to say the research of your good friend was world class but the work of some of his colleagues is suspect?</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645379</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wee bit disingenuous there pete. CRU published their data too (well some of it). That WIWA publish data doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s complete or accurate. If anything, recent events suggest otherwise. 

But in their defence, the majority contact I&#039;ve had with NIWA has been very positive. A good friend of mine was a marine biologist there for quite a few years. Their research was, and I&#039;m guessing remains world class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wee bit disingenuous there pete. CRU published their data too (well some of it). That WIWA publish data doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s complete or accurate. If anything, recent events suggest otherwise. </p>
<p>But in their defence, the majority contact I&#8217;ve had with NIWA has been very positive. A good friend of mine was a marine biologist there for quite a few years. Their research was, and I&#8217;m guessing remains world class.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645375</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
We own it don’t we?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah it&#039;s basically a state-owned enterprise. The vast majority of funding comes from contestable public and private consultancy work. They have a very good website and they publish loads of information, papers etc on the work they do.</description>
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We own it don’t we?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah it&#8217;s basically a state-owned enterprise. The vast majority of funding comes from contestable public and private consultancy work. They have a very good website and they publish loads of information, papers etc on the work they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645371</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/our-services/data&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obtaining Climate Data from NIWA &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/climate/our-services/data" rel="nofollow">Obtaining Climate Data from NIWA </a></p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to defund them would be cutting our nose off to spite our face.
We own it don&#039;t we?
To sound like a cracked record, I think all the data should be avail online or by request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to defund them would be cutting our nose off to spite our face.<br />
We own it don&#8217;t we?<br />
To sound like a cracked record, I think all the data should be avail online or by request.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
No more government funding of NIWA.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, let the fishing companies survey the fisheries and set the quotas. That&#039;ll work fine. 

Most of the armchair generals on here wouldn&#039;t have a blue clue about science or indeed what NIWA do. Go and have a look at the fishery surveys they do with their in-house acoustics systems. It&#039;s world-class. All the papers are online. That equipment and expertise goes all over the world to do surveys for countries which lack this ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
No more government funding of NIWA.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, let the fishing companies survey the fisheries and set the quotas. That&#8217;ll work fine. </p>
<p>Most of the armchair generals on here wouldn&#8217;t have a blue clue about science or indeed what NIWA do. Go and have a look at the fishery surveys they do with their in-house acoustics systems. It&#8217;s world-class. All the papers are online. That equipment and expertise goes all over the world to do surveys for countries which lack this ability.</p>
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		<title>By: ephemera</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645303</link>
		<dc:creator>ephemera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@redbaiter

What if NIWA accepted funding from The Digital Strategy&#039;s Community Partnership Fund? Would that be alright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@redbaiter</p>
<p>What if NIWA accepted funding from The Digital Strategy&#8217;s Community Partnership Fund? Would that be alright?</p>
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		<title>By: krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645191</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykiwi (formerly getstaffed)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pehaps CRU will take Salinger back. He&#039;s been &#039;trained in the way of the &lt;i&gt;farce&lt;/i&gt;&#039;, and they may have a vacancy shortly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pehaps CRU will take Salinger back. He&#8217;s been &#8216;trained in the way of the <i>farce</i>&#8216;, and they may have a vacancy shortly</p>
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		<title>By: MajorBloodnok</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645175</link>
		<dc:creator>MajorBloodnok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Paulus, and I wish it were so. Sadly, NIWA still seem to be singing the same IPCC tune. So I suspect not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Paulus, and I wish it were so. Sadly, NIWA still seem to be singing the same IPCC tune. So I suspect not.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645126</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really more to do with NIWA finding out earlier than generally accepted that Salinger has been the principal &quot;scientist&quot; responsible for falsifying New Zealand&#039;s climate figures given to the corrupt UN Climate &quot;experts&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really more to do with NIWA finding out earlier than generally accepted that Salinger has been the principal &#8220;scientist&#8221; responsible for falsifying New Zealand&#8217;s climate figures given to the corrupt UN Climate &#8220;experts&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645118</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salinger, the perennial falsifier of data, can always find a job with the Luddite Green Party, Greenpeace, or Oxfam.
Good riddance, I&#039;d say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salinger, the perennial falsifier of data, can always find a job with the Luddite Green Party, Greenpeace, or Oxfam.<br />
Good riddance, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		<title>By: kowtow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645082</link>
		<dc:creator>kowtow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what Salingers&#039; PhD was on? I read somewhere &quot;global warming&quot; but that could be anything. Googled w/o any results. I see he was a &quot;lead author&quot; on IPCC panels so he was a big gun......(that got fired) sorry hadn&#039;t planned that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what Salingers&#8217; PhD was on? I read somewhere &#8220;global warming&#8221; but that could be anything. Googled w/o any results. I see he was a &#8220;lead author&#8221; on IPCC panels so he was a big gun&#8230;&#8230;(that got fired) sorry hadn&#8217;t planned that.</p>
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		<title>By: MajorBloodnok</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645065</link>
		<dc:creator>MajorBloodnok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIWA should reap what they sow... a threatened drought of govt funding might force them to fix their temperature data. They should set an example to the world of climate science by publishing raw data and adjusted data for all stations across all time, with written justification of each &quot;adjustment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIWA should reap what they sow&#8230; a threatened drought of govt funding might force them to fix their temperature data. They should set an example to the world of climate science by publishing raw data and adjusted data for all stations across all time, with written justification of each &#8220;adjustment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei said...
&lt;i&gt;I reckon NIWA should fire all of their climate astrologers like Dr Salinger and replace them with real scientists. &lt;/i&gt;

I could apply to work for NIWA, since I know Physics (been trained as one) and also a specialist in scientific computing, where writing  numerical codes and modeling of complex differential calculus equations are my cup of tea.  Perhaps, I can write better and correct models. I am sure that NIWA is using the open-source  LAPACK (linear algebra package) or some of its variants (high performance version/s), written in Fortran to run simulations in their recently purchased new super-computer. I use the  Java version of this library , ie,  JLAPACK, which is quite fast  (popular in numeric intensive applications - engineering/scientific).  Modelers at  CERN use  JLAPACK to run their intensive particle physics experiments.

Nah, I wouldn&#039;t want to work at NIWA full-time. Perhaps on a per project contract only, but definitely not a full time role, since I will get bored in working on the same model everyday, which you will eventually get sick of. I like what I am currently doing now, since I get to be all round (ie, implementing many types of models in a varieties of domains).

If NIWA does fire most of its top warmist scientists, then I suggest that their recruiters should make contact with Prof. John Butcher&#039;s (scientific computing) group at University of Auckland, because the individuals that involve in this group are top notch in their own fields (well cited publications - internationally). Most have gone overseas to do post-doc and also to take up teaching positions over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei said&#8230;<br />
<i>I reckon NIWA should fire all of their climate astrologers like Dr Salinger and replace them with real scientists. </i></p>
<p>I could apply to work for NIWA, since I know Physics (been trained as one) and also a specialist in scientific computing, where writing  numerical codes and modeling of complex differential calculus equations are my cup of tea.  Perhaps, I can write better and correct models. I am sure that NIWA is using the open-source  LAPACK (linear algebra package) or some of its variants (high performance version/s), written in Fortran to run simulations in their recently purchased new super-computer. I use the  Java version of this library , ie,  JLAPACK, which is quite fast  (popular in numeric intensive applications &#8211; engineering/scientific).  Modelers at  CERN use  JLAPACK to run their intensive particle physics experiments.</p>
<p>Nah, I wouldn&#8217;t want to work at NIWA full-time. Perhaps on a per project contract only, but definitely not a full time role, since I will get bored in working on the same model everyday, which you will eventually get sick of. I like what I am currently doing now, since I get to be all round (ie, implementing many types of models in a varieties of domains).</p>
<p>If NIWA does fire most of its top warmist scientists, then I suggest that their recruiters should make contact with Prof. John Butcher&#8217;s (scientific computing) group at University of Auckland, because the individuals that involve in this group are top notch in their own fields (well cited publications &#8211; internationally). Most have gone overseas to do post-doc and also to take up teaching positions over there.</p>
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		<title>By: emmess</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645046</link>
		<dc:creator>emmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Salinger wanted 50 grand for humiliation 
Funny that he didn&#039;t mind making a right dick of himself fronting as an activist for a Greenpeace stunt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Salinger wanted 50 grand for humiliation<br />
Funny that he didn&#8217;t mind making a right dick of himself fronting as an activist for a Greenpeace stunt</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/salinger_firing_upheld.html#comment-645043</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RRM, please save your opinions on Redbaiter for a more appropriate thread. I don&#039;t think anyone is interested, and I know damn well I am not. And your arguments for the continued government funding of NIWA are so logically flawed they&#039;re laughable. Go away you sad desperate floundering buffoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RRM, please save your opinions on Redbaiter for a more appropriate thread. I don&#8217;t think anyone is interested, and I know damn well I am not. And your arguments for the continued government funding of NIWA are so logically flawed they&#8217;re laughable. Go away you sad desperate floundering buffoon.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t talk to me about Misinformation. You trawl a finite list of hard-right websites looking for talking points, and then you regurgitate them here, to the general acclaim of lesser zealots who get off on that sort of stuff but can&#039;t be bothered looking it up themselves. All you add is bluster and a few swear words. Pretty economical form of attention-whoring really.

You&#039;ve never put up an original thought here. I doubt you&#039;ve had one. All you are is a plagiarist of the likes of Wishart and the crusader rabbits - and probably an embarrassment to them at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t talk to me about Misinformation. You trawl a finite list of hard-right websites looking for talking points, and then you regurgitate them here, to the general acclaim of lesser zealots who get off on that sort of stuff but can&#8217;t be bothered looking it up themselves. All you add is bluster and a few swear words. Pretty economical form of attention-whoring really.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve never put up an original thought here. I doubt you&#8217;ve had one. All you are is a plagiarist of the likes of Wishart and the crusader rabbits &#8211; and probably an embarrassment to them at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say &quot;no more govt funding of NIWA&quot; you are saying &quot;reduce the pool of competent organisations allowed to apply for the funding to do the work, based on airy-fairy political prejudices about that organization, before you&#039;ve even considered their proposals&quot;.

Not very smart if you are the Government and you are interested in making sure you get maximum value from your research spending??? Surely fewer applicants/tenderers = less competition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say &#8220;no more govt funding of NIWA&#8221; you are saying &#8220;reduce the pool of competent organisations allowed to apply for the funding to do the work, based on airy-fairy political prejudices about that organization, before you&#8217;ve even considered their proposals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not very smart if you are the Government and you are interested in making sure you get maximum value from your research spending??? Surely fewer applicants/tenderers = less competition?</p>
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