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	<title>Comments on: Welfare reform is coming</title>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645898</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe John Key and National will change the welfare system. I do believe we are going to get more rediculous bills through like the ETS and giving Maori what they want and ignoring of the anti-smacking referendum and higher taxes.  National is only patronizing their supporters for a brief moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe John Key and National will change the welfare system. I do believe we are going to get more rediculous bills through like the ETS and giving Maori what they want and ignoring of the anti-smacking referendum and higher taxes.  National is only patronizing their supporters for a brief moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645755</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re all victims, of unrealistic expectations and over simplified solutions. We don&#039;t have to try and draft legislation that covers all possibilities of cheating and working the system. We don&#039;t have to make the decisions face to face with people that know how to put on the right act at the right time.

Life isn&#039;t easy and it isn&#039;t fair. We should strive for fairness and can hope for easy but shouldn&#039;t be too disappointed if it ain&#039;t always perfect for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re all victims, of unrealistic expectations and over simplified solutions. We don&#8217;t have to try and draft legislation that covers all possibilities of cheating and working the system. We don&#8217;t have to make the decisions face to face with people that know how to put on the right act at the right time.</p>
<p>Life isn&#8217;t easy and it isn&#8217;t fair. We should strive for fairness and can hope for easy but shouldn&#8217;t be too disappointed if it ain&#8217;t always perfect for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645747</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the real world, with real people facing real circumstances that are often bloody difficult,&quot;

Yeah, stuff the victims aye Pete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the real world, with real people facing real circumstances that are often bloody difficult,&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, stuff the victims aye Pete.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645730</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recognising the reality that extortion exists in varying forms and degrees does not mean you believe in it.

It is very easy to sit at a computer and type sweeping reforms of welfare and suggesting that all crims be arrested and locked away. In the real world, with real people facing real circumstances that are often bloody difficult, things can be quite different, especially when trying to comply with blanket laws and regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recognising the reality that extortion exists in varying forms and degrees does not mean you believe in it.</p>
<p>It is very easy to sit at a computer and type sweeping reforms of welfare and suggesting that all crims be arrested and locked away. In the real world, with real people facing real circumstances that are often bloody difficult, things can be quite different, especially when trying to comply with blanket laws and regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645727</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toad believes in extortion obviously.  Pay up or the crims will come for you to take what is rightfully theirs one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad believes in extortion obviously.  Pay up or the crims will come for you to take what is rightfully theirs one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645726</link>
		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these &#039;tough&#039; measure though will simply increase the depand on social welfare and what an empire building exercise will we see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these &#8216;tough&#8217; measure though will simply increase the depand on social welfare and what an empire building exercise will we see.</p>
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		<title>By: southtop</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645722</link>
		<dc:creator>southtop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Manolo agreed, just get on with. i would also suggest that while the nats are looking at welfare then corrections also gets a going over. More private prisons should be a plan B; personally i like the idea of outsourcing. I believe malaysia, indonesia, thailand and even fiji have some rather exotic locations for those who seek to continue their benefit habits through crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Manolo agreed, just get on with. i would also suggest that while the nats are looking at welfare then corrections also gets a going over. More private prisons should be a plan B; personally i like the idea of outsourcing. I believe malaysia, indonesia, thailand and even fiji have some rather exotic locations for those who seek to continue their benefit habits through crime.</p>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645718</link>
		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;The Government is considering cancelling unemployment benefits after a year and forcing beneficiaries to reapply.

This may be a step in the right direction but I would have thought a time limit on benefits would be more effective.&lt;&lt;&lt;

It is simply idiotic to have a time limit of benefits irrespective becuase if you have no money are you going to starve?  No of course not you will take up crime to survive.    Measures to ensure the beneficiarys are not wanking well and good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;The Government is considering cancelling unemployment benefits after a year and forcing beneficiaries to reapply.</p>
<p>This may be a step in the right direction but I would have thought a time limit on benefits would be more effective.&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>It is simply idiotic to have a time limit of benefits irrespective becuase if you have no money are you going to starve?  No of course not you will take up crime to survive.    Measures to ensure the beneficiarys are not wanking well and good.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.  

The Nats have been saying this for many years and have done little.  For Key and Bennett, we need action not mere words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.  </p>
<p>The Nats have been saying this for many years and have done little.  For Key and Bennett, we need action not mere words.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645706</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad said (early in the piece) &quot;What I do care about is the evidence. And the evidence strongly suggests that punitive measures against people with drug dependency problems does not solve their problems, and often worsens it.

For too long we have treated drug dependency as a criminal issue. If we were to treat it as a medical and societal issue, we might make some progress.&quot;

toad - it&#039;s your lot that has tried to tell our youth that using cannabis and other drugs is a perfectly normal and safe form of recreation. Patently, it&#039;s not. Decriminalisation of cannabis and other drugs will be but the thin end of the wedge. As others have noted, it&#039;s high time that those who CHOOSE to use drugs face up to the consequences of their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad said (early in the piece) &#8220;What I do care about is the evidence. And the evidence strongly suggests that punitive measures against people with drug dependency problems does not solve their problems, and often worsens it.</p>
<p>For too long we have treated drug dependency as a criminal issue. If we were to treat it as a medical and societal issue, we might make some progress.&#8221;</p>
<p>toad &#8211; it&#8217;s your lot that has tried to tell our youth that using cannabis and other drugs is a perfectly normal and safe form of recreation. Patently, it&#8217;s not. Decriminalisation of cannabis and other drugs will be but the thin end of the wedge. As others have noted, it&#8217;s high time that those who CHOOSE to use drugs face up to the consequences of their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you make sound easy to fix, but it&#039;s not. Correctly identifying those in genuine need and those bludging off us is not easy, if it was it would have been done already. Many beneficiaries have become expert at presenting the &quot;right&quot; case.

If the bludgers could easily be identified and, say, half the beneficiaries were suddenly dropped off the gravy train, where are all the jobs suddenly going to come from? There are already many people genuinely wanting work unable to get it.

And, who is going to want to employ some of these people? There are quite a few that may be physically capable of work, but that doesn&#039;t mean they are employable. Are there any employers here who would be happy to offer the Harris&#039; of this world a job for the good of the country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you make sound easy to fix, but it&#8217;s not. Correctly identifying those in genuine need and those bludging off us is not easy, if it was it would have been done already. Many beneficiaries have become expert at presenting the &#8220;right&#8221; case.</p>
<p>If the bludgers could easily be identified and, say, half the beneficiaries were suddenly dropped off the gravy train, where are all the jobs suddenly going to come from? There are already many people genuinely wanting work unable to get it.</p>
<p>And, who is going to want to employ some of these people? There are quite a few that may be physically capable of work, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they are employable. Are there any employers here who would be happy to offer the Harris&#8217; of this world a job for the good of the country?</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645698</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the Nat&#039;s subject DPB bludgers to the same level of scrutiny?

I know they have made noises about it but given that the co leader of the apartheid party has said that she will not hear of the DPB being touched I doubt that the Nat&#039;s have the balls to tell her to piss off.

Still, it is a start, one can only hope that the Nat&#039;s do not back track once the usual low life (Bradford and co) start bleating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the Nat&#8217;s subject DPB bludgers to the same level of scrutiny?</p>
<p>I know they have made noises about it but given that the co leader of the apartheid party has said that she will not hear of the DPB being touched I doubt that the Nat&#8217;s have the balls to tell her to piss off.</p>
<p>Still, it is a start, one can only hope that the Nat&#8217;s do not back track once the usual low life (Bradford and co) start bleating.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645691</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll try saying it to myself quickly - crime doesn&#039;t pay, slowly this time; crime; doesn&#039;t; pay; .Deep breath, try again breaking it up this time - Crime doesn&#039;t;  pay. Nah, I&#039;m still not getting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll try saying it to myself quickly &#8211; crime doesn&#8217;t pay, slowly this time; crime; doesn&#8217;t; pay; .Deep breath, try again breaking it up this time &#8211; Crime doesn&#8217;t;  pay. Nah, I&#8217;m still not getting it.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeMan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645690</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we are paying a dopehead what is effectivility ~$72,500 per annum because he cannot work due to his addiction to dope.

This is just wrong on so many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we are paying a dopehead what is effectivility ~$72,500 per annum because he cannot work due to his addiction to dope.</p>
<p>This is just wrong on so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645674</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toad, have you ever thought of work as good therapy? It lifts the self esteem when you bring home the pay cheque for the family, don&#039;t you think? I think welfare and the sickness benefit schemes causes more people to go on drugs because it is not healthy mentally not to work.  . they have found the brain literally shrinks along with your self esteem,  then when you are looking for entertainment just get high, heck, the government will pay for it and while you are high,  you can put kids in dryers for your sheer entertainment because you don&#039;t have to go to work that day and support the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad, have you ever thought of work as good therapy? It lifts the self esteem when you bring home the pay cheque for the family, don&#8217;t you think? I think welfare and the sickness benefit schemes causes more people to go on drugs because it is not healthy mentally not to work.  . they have found the brain literally shrinks along with your self esteem,  then when you are looking for entertainment just get high, heck, the government will pay for it and while you are high,  you can put kids in dryers for your sheer entertainment because you don&#8217;t have to go to work that day and support the family.</p>
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		<title>By: hj</title>
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		<dc:creator>hj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad (1798) Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

big bruv said: You are not reading the mood of the nation Toad

I don’t give a shit about the mood of the nation, bruv. What I do care about is the evidence. And the evidence strongly suggests that punitive measures against people with drug dependency problems does not solve their problems, and often worsens it.
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I recall Le Kuan Yew used to throw addicts in prison and make them go through cold turkey. The experience was so bad they stayed of the drugs.  ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad (1798) Says:<br />
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm</p>
<p>big bruv said: You are not reading the mood of the nation Toad</p>
<p>I don’t give a shit about the mood of the nation, bruv. What I do care about is the evidence. And the evidence strongly suggests that punitive measures against people with drug dependency problems does not solve their problems, and often worsens it.<br />
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<p>I recall Le Kuan Yew used to throw addicts in prison and make them go through cold turkey. The experience was so bad they stayed of the drugs.  ?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/welfare_reform_is_coming.html#comment-645635</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad

&lt;blockquote&gt;Try to do some research before posting comments like that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are the one who started making stuff up. Besides, the EFA did apply to blogs originally and the Green&#039;s were supporting it then as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad</p>
<blockquote><p>Try to do some research before posting comments like that. </p></blockquote>
<p>You are the one who started making stuff up. Besides, the EFA did apply to blogs originally and the Green&#8217;s were supporting it then as well.</p>
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		<title>By: simpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad (1797) Says: 
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm 

&lt;blockquote&gt;More likely they will burgle your house or business Bevan. You don’t seem to get it – people don’t enjoy starving, and will do anything to avoid it. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps instead of using &quot;punishment/stick&quot; on Bevan as suggested by Toad, he  should figure a nice big carrot of a bonus for Bevan, first.   After all Bevan ,and I believe many others have put it out there personally to help others, but Toad just wants to give them the stick, via taxes. Where is your lovely big bonus carrot for them Toad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad (1797) Says:<br />
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm </p>
<blockquote><p>More likely they will burgle your house or business Bevan. You don’t seem to get it – people don’t enjoy starving, and will do anything to avoid it. </p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps instead of using &#8220;punishment/stick&#8221; on Bevan as suggested by Toad, he  should figure a nice big carrot of a bonus for Bevan, first.   After all Bevan ,and I believe many others have put it out there personally to help others, but Toad just wants to give them the stick, via taxes. Where is your lovely big bonus carrot for them Toad?</p>
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		<title>By: deadrightkev</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadrightkev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people there is liberty. When those that pay the ferryman run out of patience and get pissed off enough look out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people there is liberty. When those that pay the ferryman run out of patience and get pissed off enough look out!</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad

&lt;blockquote&gt;More likely they will burgle your house or business Bevan. You don’t seem to get it &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well given the chap in question hasn&#039;t worked for decades and he owns a few properties and has a new car and a swimming pool - he&#039;s probably already doing that as well. So - what&#039;s the deal toad - is this what you call fighting for the little guy ?

(that being the little guy that&#039;s earns more than average wage, has a new car and a swimming pool)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad</p>
<blockquote><p>More likely they will burgle your house or business Bevan. You don’t seem to get it </p></blockquote>
<p>Well given the chap in question hasn&#8217;t worked for decades and he owns a few properties and has a new car and a swimming pool &#8211; he&#8217;s probably already doing that as well. So &#8211; what&#8217;s the deal toad &#8211; is this what you call fighting for the little guy ?</p>
<p>(that being the little guy that&#8217;s earns more than average wage, has a new car and a swimming pool)</p>
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