Barbaric

January 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm by David Farrar

The SST reports:

A RELUCTANT young New Zealand bride has allegedly been punched, abducted and held against her will by her mother to force her to honour her marriage vows and have sex with her groom.

That is rape, married or not.

The teenager’s family was given of a large pig and expensive mats to marry her husband, who is understood to be almost twice her age.

Her mother and a man understood to be her stepfather have been charged with unlawfully detaining her over the course of two days, allegedly to force her to be the groom’s wife and to force her to have sex with him.

The girl, of Tongan descent, is understood to be about 17 years old, but the family cannot be named for legal reasons.

Bad enough to be traded like property, for a dowry, but I’d be pretty pissed off is all I was worth was a large pig and some mats.

The girl’s mother has also been charged with assaulting her on two separate occasions over the marriage matter. It is claimed that the mother punched her daughter with a closed fist, but the girl managed to deflect most of the blows.

Guess she hasn’t read Section 59.

A source close to the family said the girl did not want to marry the man, but an agreement was reached between the two families and she was obliged to honour it.

No she isn’t. Maybe in Tonga, but not in New Zealand.

On her wedding night last year she ran away to her boyfriend, understood to be the groom’s son.

Oh dear, that just makes it worse. Here’s a novel idea – let a 17 year old date whomever she wants, and marry whomever she wants once she is ready and wants to. Don’t treat a daughter as a chattel.

The Sunday Star-Times was told by a community source that when a young woman is married, it is customary for the family to inspect the sheets the day after the wedding to establish her virginity has been taken.

Good God – that was done 2,000 years ago also. Time to join the modern world. Plus it is a crap test. If a girl has ridden horses (for example) her hymen may well have gone even though she is a virgin.

It is understood the young bride ran away to avoid having sex with the man. Police were alerted to the case when she went to court to seek a restraining order against her mother.

Good on her. Thank God she knows her rights.

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32 Responses to “Barbaric”

  1. redqueen (582 comments) says:

    While I’m ordinarily against corporal and capital punishment…I’m willing to make an exception under circumstances like these…

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  2. Elijah Lineberry (306 comments) says:

    Sounds rather dreadful and these Tongan chaps need to feel ashamed of themselves.

    I find it astonishing that matters such as ‘consent’ ‘rape’ ‘child abuse’ ‘violence’ seem to be unknown to these people who would appear to be acting more like savages than civilised chaps.

    My only hope is the poor girl is not too traumatised by this incident and is receiving support and assistance.

    http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com

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  3. ben (2,384 comments) says:

    What is the point of inspecting sheets? Couldn’t they just, you know, ask? Or perhaps mind their own business?

    Horrible situation all round by he sound of it.

    Elijah, thanks for the link. That will really come in handy.

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  4. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Tonga, with their god-awful monarchy, seems to be one of the more backward Pacific Islands. Dog – it good food.

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  5. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    care to revisit your post from the other day on how well integrated immigrants are to NZ DPF?

    The elephant in NZs room (or climbing in through a window near you) is generally a Pacific Islander, and its interesting how often they are from Tonga isnt it?

    But I guess there was no honour killing involved (just kidnapping, forced marriage and threats of rape) so that makes it OK.

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  6. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    LMAO so the guy buys his sons gf, forces her into marriage and rapes her? jesus, i thought i was an asshole

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  7. Manolo (14,030 comments) says:

    Savagery at its worst.
    You could be forgiven for believing these animals are from the Stone Age. Actually, they probably are.

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  8. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    And guess where the blood on the sheet ideal came from, yep, those dear dear missionaries from the bloody disgusting religions who prey on the uneducated Tongans.
    I will give you odds of 10 to 1 that the mother and the arsehole in this are both regular church goers.
    Now I will wait for some xtian to make excuses for the mother and the arsehole.

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  9. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    you’re right of course Hori, and the Minister when asked for a quote in the story claimed this was a rare case.

    guess the mote in his eye was interfering with his vision?

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  10. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” those dear dear missionaries from the bloody disgusting religions who prey on the uneducated Tongans.”

    Some times, it was the other way around-

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D01E6D61539E433A2575BC0A9639C946196D6CF

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  11. mavxp (491 comments) says:

    Hori, I have a christian faith and for what it’s worth I agree with you.

    If these people claim to be christian then the difference between faith and religion are striking here.

    Jesus summarised the 10 commandments (and all those bizarre religious requirements in Leviticus) with 2 simple maxims:
    1) Love God
    2) Love your Neighbour (as Christ loves you).

    This act against this young woman is completely unchristian (un Christ like) even if these people claim to be christians. You don’t sacrifice others freedom to protect your own reputation; that is the opposite of what Christ would have us do.

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  12. scanner (340 comments) says:

    Time to send the monkeys back to the jungle, again Darwins theory hasn’t quite made the crossover to the real world.

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  13. radar (319 comments) says:

    “Good God – that was done 2,000 years ago also. Time to join the modern world.”

    Isn’t one of the foundations of Christianity the belief that what was done 2,000 years ago should still be done today?

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  14. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.”
    (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    So it’s okay to buy her and give her to your son… bit ambiguous on buying her to take her from your son though. Better consult the Minister. I’m sure he’ll have an answer for you just as soon as he’s finished counting up today’s tithes.

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  15. kiwitoffee (383 comments) says:

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity but, I suspect, plenty to do with pre-contact tribalism.

    Its the sort of Pasifika stuff the good people of Grey Lynn don’t talk about.

    The mother? Blimey.

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  16. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    I’d want a few more facts before I started demonising an entire community.

    And DPF I think your hysteria over “Good God – that was done 2,000 years ago also.” is being a bit free and easy with our collective history.

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  17. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    This story could have been written and edited better.

    Halfway down the story we find that the ‘wedding’ events happened last year … any time between January 1 and December 31, 2009.

    Towards the end of the story it seems to suggest that the girl did marry the man who is nearly twice her age — the boyfriend’s father, in other words.

    So what are we left with? Two people facing court action and a rather tacky Tongan melodrama.

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  18. Grizz (610 comments) says:

    “Good God – that was done 2,000 years ago also. Time to join the modern world. Plus it is a crap test. If a girl has ridden horses (for example) her hymen may well have gone even though she is a virgin.”

    Is this why there is a surge in pony club membership by 15 and 16 year old girls?

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  19. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Sue Bradford’s amendment to section 59 of the Crimes Act was to stop this, remember. What went wrong with that piece of legislation? Why hasn’t it worked? Is Sue ashamed that her amendment has failed yet another child? How many photos of those children she has failed must hang in her hallway by now?

    Too many questions, too few answers.

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  20. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    A e fakapikopiko! How many of the people making generalisations about Tongan society on the basis of this crime have visited Tonga and studied its history? I’ve never met people as friendly and kind as the Tongans, and the nation was not some sort of stagnant backwater before the arrival of Europeans – in fact, its history is quite as varied and fascinating as that of any European country:
    http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/01/in-tongan-empire.html

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  21. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    yeah whatever Scott. And Tonga isnt a backward wart on the Pacific now, and it doesnt have a degenerate monarchy looting the population, and the main “city” isnt a burnt out shanty town following the riots.

    and there arent teenage Tongan street gangs in South Auckland, and Tongans are never violent people.

    I have fairies at the bottom of my garden too ( and no they arent the Labour LBGT caucus). Ain’t moral equivalence grand, lets deny that the sun rises next.

    So yes quite a few of us have visited Tonga, and even more of us understand its history, its present, and regrettably its future. Your point incidentally? Oh hang on, yes the locals you met are friendly, so that negates everything on this post does it? I seem to recall a certain James Cook making a similar error a few years back.

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  22. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    You’re missing out, my friend. Nuku’alofa is a wonderful place, and Tongan food is the best. Not to mention the singing in the churches. Go back and have a proper look. And talk to the locals about politics – you might be surprised to learn about the transition to democracy underway at present.

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  23. Manolo (14,030 comments) says:

    “Nuku’alofa is a wonderful place, and Tongan food is the best.”

    And, of course, the capital’s museum leaves the Louvre for dead, not to mention its cathedral with puts the Vatican’s St. Peter to shame. The Opera House is ten times better than Milan’s La Scala. I should also mention the number of multistar Michelin restaurants and the ample selection of fine wines offered to their discerning customers.

    Tongan politics are incredibly transparent and democratic to the point of disbelief. Wealth is well spread among Tongan citizens, who cannot stop calling their country the Switzerland of the South Pacific, and the closest territory to Heaven.

    Everything is fine in La la land.

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  24. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    And thank God for the absence of fine wines, Michelin restaurants, expensive resorts and other wanker-magnets from Tonga!

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  25. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    Scott Hamilton – Yes, they make do with beer, kava, petrol/matches and machetes.

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  26. kiwitoffee (383 comments) says:

    Tongan food? Lamb flaps?

    I understand the people of Tonga buy this unhealthy stuff by the shipload from NZ and love it even though it contributes to obesity and early death.

    Give me their traditional fish and dalo any day.

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  27. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    “Sue Bradford’s amendment to section 59 of the Crimes Act was to stop this, remember. ”

    If the article is to be believed (and there is much about it which is questionable) she is at least 17 so not a child.

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  28. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    DPF: Bad enough to be traded like property, for a dowry, but I’d be pretty pissed off is all I was worth was a large pig and some mats.

    I didn’t realise that Jewish custom included the giving of a pig as part of the dowry; perhaps some sheep, or a few goats would be more appropriate?

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  29. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    moral equivalence is deeply ingrained into the left and the weak minded it seems.

    But I could be wrong. Maybe the Tongans are just happy living on corned offal and lamb flaps in their huts hoping the king hasnt hocked off the power company to the Chinese again.

    But their simplicity has a majesty that westerners who are alienated from mother nature can’t hope to emulate…

    That must be why so many Tongans want to come here… and so few people want to go and live their in happy simplicity, participating in the nutritious food, and weekly singing.

    Lets test it. How about we have a whipround and offer Scott a one-way ticket to Nukualofa, but this time without his credit cards and western escape route, and see how he enjoys the picturesque squalor up close and personal.

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  30. Alan Wilkinson (1,886 comments) says:

    I’m waiting to hear Denise Richie again sounding off about this disgraceful child abuse. Or perhaps not, double standard anyone?

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  31. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Would there be this outcry if the girl had been Muslim?

    Everyone is happy to have a crack at the Tongans over this tragic, despical affair but no one has mentioned that this will have happen hundreds of times in the Auckland Muslim Community over the last year AND the lucky young bride will have been circumcised as well.

    Why is everyone afraid to speak out about Muslims but the Tongans are fair game?

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  32. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay [January 11th, 2010 at 10:04 pm],

    Would there be this outcry if the girl had been Muslim?

    You raise a good point.
    Of course little is heard in the MSM, from politicians, police, or other social agencies on Islamic atrocities carried out in this whole area; in NZ or any Western nation.

    One must ask why?
    The likely answer is Islamic appeasement at all costs.

    I thank God for forums such as Kiwiblog, and DPF who has the testicular fortitude to permit such open and frank discussions about such topics – long may it continue.

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