General Debate 22 January 2010

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Pete George

Same old Palin hating…

I don’t hate Palin. I don’t even know her, I’ve only seen a few airhead media performances.

Doubting her political credentials doesn’t amount to personal emotion.
Disagreeing with someone on some things doesn’t automatically mean hate.
Well, maybe you don’t understand that concept.
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January 22, 2010 4:03pm
Redbaiter

“News flash reddy – it’s all plastic”

Talking about “Stretch” Pelosi?
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January 22, 2010 4:04pm
Redbaiter

” I don’t hate Palin.”

Like Michelle Bachman and so many other powerful Christian Conservatives, she sends you and every other leftist into a foaming frenzy of hate and fear. That of course is her real value.
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January 22, 2010 4:06pm
dad4justice

The left hate the truth. Just look at all the lies they tell. Eh big blouse.
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January 22, 2010 4:08pm
Pete George

If the US stopped using plastics in surgery then oil would last about twice as long.
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January 22, 2010 4:09pm
big bruv

Stephen

Claiming I am a supporter of Peter Fulton is a low blow.

You are right about my dislike of bulrush though, IMHO crime could be wiped out in Auckland by detonating a small nuclear device just above the half way line at the next Warriors home game.
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January 22, 2010 4:14pm
dad4justice

Are you suggesting a terrorist act big blouse?
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January 22, 2010 4:16pm
Pete George

Like Michelle Bachman and so many other powerful Christian Conservatives, she sends you and every other leftist into a foaming frenzy of hate and fear.

Must be wishful thinking on your part. I don’t give a toss about them, they have nothing to do with NZ. Palin can’t see NZ from her house so she doesn’t know anything about us. Bachman is irrelevant to me. I think she only acts on her husband’s instructions anyway like a good Christian wife (of last century).

I think you must get a bit confused between the US (that’s an overseas country) and NZ (that’s where I live anyway).
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January 22, 2010 4:21pm
big bruv

For the record Redbaiter, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Palin hater, a lot of things about her are to be admired, in particular her decision to go ahead with the birth of her IHC child.

I do however recognise that she is never going to be elected as the POTUS, the republican party would be smart to distance themselves from her and select somebody who has a chance of winning.
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January 22, 2010 4:23pm
MyNameIsJack

that’s the [problem, BB. Theyn turned the presidency in to a Bush aristocracy and have cut themselves off from anyone with an IQ above 90

Their best bet would be to dig up another superannuated actor.
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January 22, 2010 4:30pm
dad4justice

The leftist trifecta is not to hard to spot.
The above three posters. Say no more, say no more.
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January 22, 2010 4:40pm
Redbaiter

” the republican party would be smart to distance themselves from her”

I doubt the Republican Party needs to take advice from a socialist superannuitant who lives on an isolated Sth Pacific island and is as full of left wing propaganda as the most brain damaged Democrat.
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January 22, 2010 4:45pm
dad4justice

The lefty trifecta gals are fizzing mad and just broke some finger nails. You fool NOBODY big BLOUSE!!
Job done. Must go pub raffles.
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January 22, 2010 4:53pm
Pete George

No, the Republicans don’t need advice like that, they are too busy congratulating themselves over their election win. Except that, according to someone called Scott Brown, it was a win for the Independent Majority.

d4j, what job done? You might have more success picking a fight at the pub.
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January 22, 2010 4:56pm
big bruv

MNIJ

I am glad you see it as a problem, but do not worry, the republicans are a lot smarter than Redbatier and the religious extremists.

Come 2012 they will have a top notch candidate and a man who will take back the White house from the idiot that currently resides there.

D4J

Have you ever had an original thought in your miserable little life?

Comrade Redbaiter.

I do not doubt that they do not need my advice, however, if they want to avoid another four years of Obama communism then they would do well to disregard anything you and your bible bashing religious bigots have to say.

The world has moved on Comrade, if the religious nutters cannot work that out for themselves and decide to split the Republican party then idiots like you have handed the left the victory they have fought so long for.

Imagine that Red, the very people you have been banging on about for the last few years getting their way for no other reason than they are far smarter than you.
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January 22, 2010 4:59pm
dad4justice

“d4j, what job done?”

Just showed all that big bruv is just another leffy blouse.
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January 22, 2010 5:07pm
Repton

I guess we’ll be seeing you over on Public Address then, big bruv?

Don’t worry about joining the left; you’ll find we’re very welcoming. The international socialist conspiracy will be in touch shortly to administer your initiation rites (they already know where you live). Don’t worry, it’s nothing too harsh. And at least you won’t have to pledge allegiance to a photo of Reagan each morning any longer!
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January 22, 2010 5:08pm
Pete George

“Just showed all that big bruv is just another leffy blouse.”

You actually showed sfa – apart from the fact that you can make about eight posts in a row and not make a point about anything.
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January 22, 2010 5:14pm
Simon J Taylor

“You must believe in the constitution (no problem with that), be conservative (fine with that one as well) and you MUST be Christian (no chance of that ever happening)”

I’m with “big bruv” on this. A bit of perspective though: In New Zealand this does not apply a great deal as our political tradition is British rather than American. Religious-type “hot-button” issues do not feature here as much.

In fact, I’m not even bothered about the implications for America: it’s their country and their business what they do with it. If they want compulsory prayer, abortion bans or whatever, let them. I am simply keeping an eye on their foreign-policy-related utterances: talk is cheap I know, but their sympathisers on some of the blogs and other media have been a touch reckless in this area.
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January 22, 2010 5:20pm
Redbaiter

” apart from the fact that you can make about eight posts in a row and not make a point about anything.”

That’s rich. If you ever make a post that isn’t a mix of uninformed opinion and arrogant patronising school teacherish crap it will be your first.

” I do not doubt that they do not need my advice, however, ”

No “however’ about it. Just shut the fuck up, and do as Repton suggests. Take your infantile and immature views on religion over to Public Address. You’ll fit right in with the equally brain damaged Secular Progressives who congregate over there and spend all day congratulating each other on how much smarter than the man in the street they are.
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January 22, 2010 5:35pm
Viking2

Fuck can we change from this boring shit and personal attacks. Unintelleigent abd boring.

Want to get riled up pick on Helens left hand man, the smarmy Maharey who has wheedled his way into the top job at Massey
at a grossly inflated salary and is now slaughtering the subordinates.

Massey Uni chiefs axed to save costs
By LEE MATTHEWS – Manawatu Standard
Last updated 13:09 22/01/2010

Masssey University is axing its regional chief executive roles in Wellington, Palmerston North and Albany, but will not say how much money the move will save.

Mr Maharey also spent much of last year working on ways to streamline the university, cut out duplication and save money. He called it The Road to 2020 and the One University principle.

Yeh right after adding how many thousand public servants to his departments?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3254402/Massey-Uni-chiefs-axed-to-save-costs
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January 22, 2010 6:25pm
Viking2

BSA investigates Henry’s Boyle comments
By Edward Gay View as one page
11:56 AM Friday Jan 22, 2010

The Broadcasting Standards Authority is investigating Breakfast host Paul Henry over comments he made about singer Susan Boyle.

The authority has received five complaints following TVNZ’s finding against Mr Henry, last month.

After her antics last week at the airport one must conclude that Henry was correct. This is another outfit Key should fire and save us some money.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621658
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January 22, 2010 6:28pm
Redbaiter

” Air America Bankrupt.”

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin still topping the ratings. Content is the issue. Nobody wants to hear that Frankenesque left liberal Marxist bullshit any more.
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January 22, 2010 6:36pm
Manolo

Hooton does not mince his words when writing on the NBR about polling, including DPF’s Curia firm:

“Since 1993, no serious attempt has been made to provide the inspirational leadership, promote the social attitudes and implement the public policy for New Zealand to become a rich country. A mindset has developed in the political and media class that good policy is necessarily anathema to good politics. If anything, it is embedded even more deeply in the Key Government than it was in Helen Clark’s.

Labour’s pollsters at UMR and National’s at Curia have become rich but at the expense of everyone else.”

Hat-tip: Whale Oil
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January 22, 2010 7:03pm
stephen

Viking, what’s your problem with what Maharey is doing, exactly?
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January 22, 2010 7:29pm
malcolm

Day of the Long Knives
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January 22, 2010 8:02pm
Viking2

Hypocrisy at large.
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January 22, 2010 8:39pm
Redbaiter

” Fuck can we change from this boring shit and personal attacks.”

..and what do we get only two comments later? (Because his own posts went over like lead balloons)

“Hypocrisy at large.”

Damn right there.
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January 22, 2010 8:45pm
Redbaiter

” If anything, it is embedded even more deeply in the Key Government than it was in Helen Clark’s. ”

Whatever it is, its rank in both parties. There’s a difference though. In Klark’s government it was intentional. In National, its brought on by a politically confused lack of purpose and lack of a mission.
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January 22, 2010 8:49pm
dad4justice

Meanwhile the mentally sick big bruv blouse posts over at NZ Conserative:

“I was going to join in tonight until I found out that you have D4 nut case as a contributor.
Never mind, some other time perhaps.”

Get help with your creepy fixation or front up big blouse.
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January 22, 2010 8:50pm
tom hunter

Re Air America – the following link contains a quote that is Comedy Gold – I’ve highlighted the relevant part:

“The fact of the matter was, it was always a very challenging business proposition, and it never had the right management,” said Sam Seder, who hosted programs on Air America until last year.

The headwinds were enormous, he said, adding, “Radio is a dying industry.”

Somebody better tell Limbaugh before he signs his next multi-million dollar contract!

It really is yet another example of the tin ear of the modern US left, as if the Brown election was not enough. I guess the US audience is just too racist/fascist/misogynist/……!!!
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January 22, 2010 8:52pm
Viking2

Redbaiter , who other than your highly opinionated self, actually cares at all what you think? Anyone at all? No not really. You are an idiots answer to the standard.
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January 22, 2010 9:12pm
Redbaiter

” Redbaiter , who other than your highly opinionated self, actually cares at all what you think?

You do or you wouldn’t have bothered responding. Double double hypocrisy. You arrive here bleating woefully about personal attacks but apparently can’t stop yourself from indulging. Dumbarse.
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January 22, 2010 9:18pm
transmogrifier

Personally, I think a lot of political problems come from the none-too-logical welding of capitalism to religion, when in fact they are often pursuing much different goals.

I’d consider myself economically conservative, but socially liberal, and I can’t for the life of me work out why there can’t be a party that represents this.
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January 22, 2010 10:09pm
malcolm

ACT is the best fit for you, me thinks. By it’s very nature, politics is a big compromise.
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January 22, 2010 10:15pm
transmogrifier

Red, I’ve always wondered. It’s obvious you agree with Palin in terms of her political leanings, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But do you truly believe, on the evidence we have seen from her (I’m talking horse’s mouth stuff), that she would be a competent leader of any county, let alone the most powerful on Earth?

I don’t want to hear “She’d be better than Obama”, or any cop-out answer like that. All I want to know, is do you think she has the ability to run a country, all politics aside?
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January 22, 2010 10:15pm
transmogrifier

malcolm – possibly; one of the things I like about ACT is that they don’t really have a religious focus to their policies. I was referring more to the American system though.
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January 22, 2010 10:17pm
malcolm

OK, yeah. ACT is a product of MMP. With FPP you get 2.5 parties 🙂

The economically conservative + socially liberal combination isn’t viable under FPP in a very religious country like the US.
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January 22, 2010 10:19pm
Redbaiter

” But do you truly believe, on the evidence we have seen from her (I’m talking horse’s mouth stuff), that she would be a competent leader of any county, let alone the most powerful on Earth? ”

I don’t buy the premise of the question. I consider the whole “Palin is not competent” issue to be a fabrication of the left wing media, who are basically just the propaganda arm of the Democrats. The question deserves nothing but scorn. Of course she is competent.
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January 22, 2010 10:26pm
Redbaiter

D4J- You’re a good bloke. I admire your persistence and your courage. But you shouldn’t let all the tiny minded pissants in the blogosphere get to you. Its just not that important. Just have a laugh if you can, or forget it.
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January 22, 2010 10:27pm
dad4justice

Good advice redbaiter. Away from the keyboard I laugh at these cowards who must be living a life of hell to continually attack year after year. Laughable idiots who would all run a country mile when confronted by the light of truth.
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January 22, 2010 10:33pm
Redbaiter

Mr. Hunter- You may have already read this, but its an extremely good Malkin article on McCain’s attempts to position himself for another run at the presidency.

Its here.

Apologies if this post (eventually) comes out in duplicate as when I tried to post it with a bare url it appears to have gone into moderation.
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January 22, 2010 10:34pm
transmogrifier

Red, a question is a question. To say you don’t accept the premise of the question is just an unnecessarily combative, self-righteous way to say “Yes, I think she is competent”. Which you did at the end, and that’s all I needed to hear.
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January 22, 2010 10:38pm
Redbaiter

..and transmogrifier, it does not really matter. The whole idea is to break the power of the far left Democrat-Republican junta that has held power ever since Reagan. The Washington power base of lobbyists, cronyists and long term representatives has to be destroyed.

Sarah Palin took on and defeated the country club Republican establishment and big oil in Alaska and she can do it in Washington.

The real challenge is whether she can hold out against the Progressive’s cowardly and poisonous strategy of using their mainstream media acolytes to personally destroy her. Not an easy ask.
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January 22, 2010 10:44pm
Redbaiter

“Which you did at the end, and that’s all I needed to hear.”

I don’t give a damn what you “needed to hear”. I write what I like. You don’t like it, don’t make these craven personal appeals.
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January 22, 2010 10:46pm
transmogrifier

Where did I say I did or didn’t like it? And, in case you haven’t noticed, we are on a messageboard of sorts, where people interact and sometimes ask each other questions. There is no personal appeal to it. It is curiosity. If you are truly offended with my actions, then I suggest you take a look at yourself, or lighten up, or something, because, like it or not, this is how humans communicate. By asking questions, clarifying points of confusion, giving their opinions. One wonders sometimes why you bother to come here if you dislike people responding to you in even the most benign ways.

I accept you don’t give a damn what I think, and I think I’ll live.
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January 22, 2010 10:51pm
Luc Hansen

Big day for Redbaiter yesterday, I see, all but 12 straight hours.

Lotsa reds under the beds on a right wing blog, obviously. So much baiting, so little time!

And you gotta love the consistency with which he closes each post with a “devastating” ad hominem. All class.
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January 23, 2010 7:03am
dad4justice

That’s a real big bruv blouse cowardly smear comment Luc. Are you that creeps twin sister?
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January 23, 2010 7:14am
pjje

Calif moving a step down the path away from investment grade? See http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100114/us_nm/us_economy_california_2.

Interesting questions arise in one’s mind. how reliable is the rating if the agency is expected to defer reviewing it because of the impact on other state’s debt? If Calif moves out of investment grade, how will investors subject to minimum rating requirements exit? Or will they seek to exit soon in order to avoid severe discounting if the rating should go below investment grade? And in either case, where will they put their money? Treasuries & gilts? Maybe bank issues? Maybe non-US govt issues? These investors don’t have the Keynesian mattress option, so the money (along with other money shaken lose in invetments seen as related) it will have to go somewhere. Will it all go short term for a while? And is this all a product of hyper-democracy? I shouldn’t think so – the Swiss don’t seem to face such problems.
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January 23, 2010 7:21am
Luc Hansen

Dad, old chappie, please explain the “cowardly context”. This is a blog. We think, we post. Sometimes some of us post without thinking. All are welcome.

Check out your above post for the ad hominem. It’s a disease that easily spreads.

PJ, it’s an illustration of how the US is becoming ungovernable. California needs a 60% majority to pass a budget. As Arnie found out, you just can’t do anything meaningful. And Obama is facing a similar problem. And his isn’t even a constitutional roadblock – it’s just a local anomaly.

So Obama can’t force Israel to sign up to a peace deal. And he can’t do anything about climate change. Mind you, I’m not sure if his heart is in anything but the next election. That’s his true vocation – winning elections…
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January 23, 2010 7:42am
Pete George

What is “the light of truth” D4J? Is there only one possible “truth”? Or is it in the eye of the beholder?
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January 23, 2010 7:48am
dad4justice

Luc and Petey you are so yesterday in attitude.
Nobama V Wall Street will be a good shit fight to watch.
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January 23, 2010 7:49am
Pete George

I just thought there might be some substance behind your attacks D4J. Maybe not.
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