Liberty Scott on Labour and obesity

January 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Liberty Scott notes this release from Ruth Dyson:

“The Government apparently thinks people will simply be able to change their diet and exercise without any assistance or form of nutrition education”

He comments:

I’m astonished. Changing your diet is impossible without the government. The carefully hidden knowledge that eating mostly vegetables, fruit, lean meat, fish and cereals, and avoiding high fat and high sugar foods helps you lose weight is something that almost nobody knows surely. In addition, without the government how COULD people go to the gym, or go for a walk or swim?

Indeed. It is all the Government’s fault.

Does anything more clearly show the patronising and condescending attitude the Party, and indeed many statists have for the general public than that? The idea that without the government, people can’t look after themselves, don’t know any better and wont change.

Ms. Dyson might wonder if one of the reasons Labour became far less popular is that people are sick of being treated as imbeciles, and sick of being forced to pay for bureaucrats to hand hold people.

I am sure it was one of the reasons.

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32 Responses to “Liberty Scott on Labour and obesity”

  1. CharlieBrown (916 comments) says:

    “Ms. Dyson might wonder if one of the reasons Labour became far less popular is that people are sick of being treated as imbeciles, and sick of being forced to pay for bureaucrats to hand hold people.”

    100% correct, unfortunately, we will still have to stay sick of being treated that way as not much has changed. (smacking law, cold and flu pills, child care laws, taking a hell of a lot of pressure to delay the bread ingredients law)

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  2. Pete George (23,126 comments) says:

    Problem is many people don’t seem to be able to act for their own good without coercion or persuasion. They shouldn’t need the government to tell them the obvious, but many are unlikely to actually do anything on their own.

    People generally don’t like to be treated as imbeciles, but there is a lot of imbecilic behaviour, some of it self destructive.

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  3. freethinker (683 comments) says:

    Ruth Dyson does have a point – whilst I am well read and reasonably intelligent I did nothing about being knowingly overweight until a doctors checkup showing my BMI was heading towards obesity provided the wake up call to get some dietary advice which modified my diet slightly – more the balance than the content plus some swimming and with 7kg less to carry and a greater choice of trousers to wear Ruth is perhaps saying Govt should take the lead and provide a wider wake up call to encourage better health through improved eating habits. A potential win win, apart from the trouser sellers!

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  4. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    With a public health system, presumably the government remiss if it *doesn’t* interfere.

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  5. annie (540 comments) says:

    The Labour party’s addiction to counselling for all needs to be addressed. Sadly, I suspect they’re at the precontemplative phase of their condition and always will be.

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  6. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Freethinker- surely as you appear able to read you would have noticed that you were becoming a fat bastard simply by looking at yourself in a mirror. Do you need a polictician to tell you that not only are you a fat bastard but you might need a hair cut and and your shoes could do with a bit of a spruce up.?

    If you need someone who has been convicted of driving drunk on our roads while in government to tell you anything you are clearly too stupid to have the right to vote.

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  7. Rich Prick (1,595 comments) says:

    Spot the arrogance: a drink-driver wagging her finger at fatties.

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  8. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    So, you are saying we should leave it all to the food companies to educate us through their advertisments.

    If there is an objective to reduce our health care cost caused by unhealthy diets and obesity, why is it so bad for a government to inform people and try and change behavior?

    You are the one that always pleads for informed choice istead of regulation, David, so how come you are against having more information?

    What she also said;

    “Obesity surgery can be positive for many patients and Labour supports calls for additional Government funding. However, it’s ironic that so many Government MPs should be calling for increases in funding for obesity surgery when they signed off on cuts to funding for obesity prevention programmes just last year,” Ruth Dyson said.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1001/S00108.htm

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  9. dime (9,606 comments) says:

    jesus, these people never stop.

    surely drunky will be cut loose next election

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  10. Pete George (23,126 comments) says:

    Thanks Paul, I had a haircut last week and I’m on top of the diet, but I have been a bit slack with the shoes and they do need a spruce up. I look at them when I put them on in the morning thinking I’ll do it when I get home, but when I get home I am looking ahead to other things and don’t get around to it. Tonight! Can you remind me in a month or so?

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  11. Rich Prick (1,595 comments) says:

    “So, you are saying we should leave it all to the food companies to educate us through their advertisments.”

    Oh for the love of God! Do you really mean to imply that responsible parenting and years of having to eat you greens is undone by an advertisement? And when did any food become “bad” anyway? I think its more a case of a desire to meddle in other peoples’ lives, regulate and regulate some more.

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  12. SHG (367 comments) says:

    Two words: ordinary

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  13. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Do you imply that responsible parenting and years of having to eat you greens is undone by an advertisement?

    Absolutely! Why do you think food companies pour millions into advertising.

    It’s not about “bad” food, it’s about “bad” diet. And about information.
    If we promote informed choice, then by all means we have to provide that information. And it seems perfectly reasonable for a government that doesn’t want to regulate, but promote choice, to provide that information.

    After all, food companies just want us to by their stuff, fair enough.
    There also should be some “neutral” source where we can get enough information to make our informed choices.

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  14. Rich Prick (1,595 comments) says:

    In that case eszett you must be a really stupid person absent the capacity for independent thought without the Government’s help.

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  15. Pete George (23,126 comments) says:

    Advertising does work for the advertisers – that’s why they keep doing it.

    TV is probably the worst. Repeat persuasion to buy things that are bad for your figure and health and/or your bank balance if you consume as much as they implore. Plus it also provides the environment – an often brain dead passive pastime with frequent breaks imploring more over-consumption, with a convenient break in the boredom to restock.

    And TV is not likely to show public good messages like “if you got off your arse and did something physically and mentally active, you would have less arse to get off”.

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  16. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Dy(ke)son is another busybody and meddlesome politician that deserves to be ignored.
    When will she and all her imbecile colleagues learn to stay out of other people’s lives?

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  17. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Dy(ke)son is another busybody and meddlesome politician that deserves to be ignored.

    You’re doing a pretty bang-up job of being deserving yourself champ

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  18. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    # Rich Prick (228) Says:
    January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    In that case eszett you must be a really stupid person absent the capacity for independent thought without the Government’s help.

    I don’t think that you are in a position to make a judgement on that, since you obviously did not understand my argument.

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  19. Rich Prick (1,595 comments) says:

    Serriously eszett, if you feel the need for a “neutral source” to help you decide what to have for dinner tonight you are, well, stupid.

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  20. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Labour rhetoric on obesity can be countered with 2 words

    Parekura Horomia

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  21. kowtow (7,844 comments) says:

    Old Labour believed in individual responsibility.

    Now it’s, we know best,do what we tell you and bugger the expense the tax payer has deep pockets.

    Having said that this obesity thing is going to hammer the heath system,if it hasn’t already.

    Don’t blame the food companies, we’re not French geese being force fed. As Fat Bastard at the 7′s used to ask “Who ate all the pies?’

    Seriously tho for all the education and information out there about healthy ‘lifestyles’ aren’t we a pretty pathetic bunch of fat arsed no hopers?

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  22. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    “The Government apparently thinks people will simply be able to change their diet and exercise without any assistance or form of nutrition education”

    Ruthey Ruthey, I learned how to change from sandwiches to Big Macs without the gummint’s help. I can surely learn how to get back – - – if I want to!

    Youse Reds never learn – we don’t want to be told!!

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  23. Sonny Blount (1,847 comments) says:

    So, you are saying we should leave it all to the food companies to educate us through their advertisments.

    Why not?

    http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Jared/index.aspx

    I am sure private health insurance companies would get pretty good at promoting healthy education.

    I know enough about fat, sugar, and all that an I didn’t need the government to teach it to me.

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  24. xseterra (1 comment) says:

    The sicekning fact as a professional that deals with an ever-increasing size of peerson and their health related conditions, is unfortunately many people, across all spectrums, do need to be told about these isuues.
    During many consulatations we hear the same rhetoric: I know all about dieatary intake and exercie and the likes. We probe a little deeper and find that there are many out there with degrees and the like shigher than doctors and “know it all” ;-) unfortunately their knowledge isn’t quite working for them and this is already costing the tax payer too much for their poor choices and knowledge. These costs wiill sky rocket also and can be very mcuh likened to senseless smoking, if not costing moire when you crunch the numbers.
    I was recently in an affluent area of Christchurch and cringed when I saw a wealthy looking mother allowing her kiddies pies and energy drinks before school!!!!!!!

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  25. Sonny Blount (1,847 comments) says:

    I was recently in an affluent area of Christchurch and cringed when I saw a wealthy looking mother allowing her kiddies pies and energy drinks before school!!!!!!!

    Were the kids fat?

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  26. Sonny Blount (1,847 comments) says:

    “know it all” ;-) unfortunately their knowledge isn’t quite working for them

    If your knowledge was working you would know that it is fine for skinny kids to eat pies and sugary drinks, I had many, many pies as well as 2xmcds combos for lunch or half a dozen cheeseburgers when they were a dollar. I was 6 foot and 73 kilos at 21.

    sicekning…peerson…isuues…consulatations…dieatary…exercie…shigher…mcuh…likened

    What is the name of your consultancy please so I can avoid.

    this is already costing the tax payer too much for their poor choices and knowledge.

    According to this logic, we need government intervention to prevent people riding mopeds, getting fat birds pregnant, or voting labour.

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  27. Grizz (527 comments) says:

    This is bullshit. All socialists want is someone else to pay for their stomach stapling operations

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  28. Rich Prick (1,595 comments) says:

    “I was recently in an affluent area of Christchurch and cringed when I saw a wealthy looking mother allowing her kiddies pies and energy drinks before school!!!!!!!”

    Ooooh, wealthy looking mother … affluent area … you cringed … kiddies … dangerous things like pies … and fuck, worse still, energy drinks … fucking hell, before school as well (after school must be ok then?)

    The fact that you live in the Peoples’ Republic of Christchurch explains your brain damage, but please don’t spray it around here. You are evidence that socialism is a mental illness. I’d wager you write letters to the editor too.

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  29. libertyscott (358 comments) says:

    I think it would be a great step forward if all those who want campaigns to encourage people to eat less and exercise more simply dipped into their own pockets (use those taxcuts they didn’t want) and paid for it themselves.

    However, that would require taking an initiative to act directly rather than engaging in politics to make everyone else pay for it, whereas the latter is what is ingrained into so many through a culture of “the government should do something”.

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  30. Pete George (23,126 comments) says:

    culture of “the government should do something”.

    If a majority of people think their democratic government should do something like this should the government do something or not?

    Just asking.

    The culture of wanting the government to sort things out does seem to be widespread – many seem to want it to sort out other things as long as it doesn’t restrict, affect or cost them. Like crime.

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  31. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    The problem with kiwi’s is that they are too thick to understand that if they want the gubbmint to “do something about it, won’t somebody think of the children!!” then somebody also has to pay for the fucking gubbmint to do something about it. And that sure as shit don’t come cheap when the trough needs to be kept topped up to keep the bureaucratic wheels in motion.

    They just don’t appear to grasp the simple concept that expecting the gubbmint to do something about it is no different to asking Microsoft to do something about it, you’re still going to pay through the nose for it and you still end up with Vista Home and Student Edition cos that’s all the budget will stretch to, when 90% is wasted on shit and bureaucracy.

    We’d be better off with state funding to get their gobs stapled, that way the fat fuckers can’t gorge themselves at our expense and we won’t have to listen to their empty words.

    Who the fuck voted for a bunch of lard arses without the willpower to control their food intake in the first place? It sure as hell doesn’t give me a lot of confidence in their abilities to manage a country when they can’t even manage their own calorie intake. Don’t give me that shit about medical reasons either, a jumbo jet can’t stay in the sky without fuel and fat people can’t stay fat without calories. All it indicates is they are gluttons and hypocrites.

    I’m fat in places, but I sure as fuck don’t blame anyone or anything other than my natural, red blooded male aversion to evil shit like celery and lettuce.

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  32. inversesquare (14 comments) says:

    I can’t get over how many people on here are quite happy to have the government run their lives for them….

    It’s Astonishing and I might add, probably goes a long way in telling us why the population is getting fat!

    Have a look at our MP’s….ask yourself: If they were extended family and we all had a get together who would they be?….the crazy uncle?….Auntie Jane’s 6th husband?…….Would I trust my kids’ future to them?

    We’re lazy because successive governments (both Labour and National) have conditioned us to think that they are responsible for our personal responsibility.

    Why do so many people hate freedom so much? I just don’t get it…..

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