Certainly, you are allowed to disagree, and I never said you can’t:

“We’re all free to develop our own relationship with God, and if you believe others behaviour is wrong in Gods eyes then so be it. But you people that are against freedom of choice, regardless of the personal nature of that choice and the effect it has on you, all in the name of the bible should go to Saudi Arabia.”

I do condemn it when people wish to force their beliefs into the private lives of other people who do not wish to live as them. Christians should have faith that God will lay down his judgement when the time comes, and if Homosexuality is a sin (after knowing several people I have come to believe it isn’t, but thats my own belief and I don’t care if you disagree) then those people will be judged. But as this lifestyle has no tangible effect on you, myself or society in general then we shouldn’t be telling these people that they cannot make a legal commitment to their partners.

Oh, and him shouldn’t be capitalised.

So a question, should the Catholic church run a inquiry among the senior ranks into who knew and did nothing ?
Or would that be too dangerous because it might reach to the very top of the Catholic church ?

Do you believe as the Catholic Church in Ireland still believes that only the Catholic church has the right morals to run primary schools in Ireland ?

there is nothing wrong with the religion in those cases, it is the men who are not practicing what that religion teaches and bringing scandal unto it.

Perhaps, but when you teach: faith is a virtue; don’t question; and if you do then we’re mere mortals who can’t understand; the church represents god; respect the priest; people go to hell for not following the word of the church/priest etc. Then it’s a fantastic environment for people who want to sexually abuse children. There’s a ready-made mechanism to keep the victims quiet.

Not to mention the aiding and abetting by authorities in the Catholic Church. They have time and time again put the church before the law and before the victims and future victims.

Why do lesbians use dildo’s ?

It’s like if you were a fan of rugby league and the Bulldogs were your team. Lets say a couple of Bulldogs’ players take a couple of women up to their rooms after a game and the women later charge the players with rape. Is it the fault of those players, or is it the fault of the Bulldogs team as an entity? Those two players have caused scandal for the team, but nowhere in the Bulldogs’ team rulebook does it say that rape is OK. I’m sure if you were a Bulldogs fan you are not likely to change teams because of the actions of a couple of their players. Likewise, I am not likely to change my church because of the actions of some priests who go against Church teaching and commit horrid sins.

What about all the good priests out there, who help people everyday? As I quoted the other day “According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv] According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.”

What about the 98% of priests who are good?

I remember reading a story about a man who helped some friends of his in court winning a case against some very bad lawyers. I think the case took about 3 years. He commented that just because these lawyers were bad and had done bad things didn’t mean that the law profession as a whole was bad. Nor does it mean the medical profession is bad because of some wicked doctors. Don’t let the actions of a bad few make you think that religion as a whole is bad.

Kris K – Me thinks if Jesus were to appear before you you’d reject him, some how I think he’d be far too liberal for the likes of you.

No doubt, Dave, you and the liberal wing of many Protestant churches would have much in common:

“Most mainline Protestant churches are, to one degree or another, post-Christian. If they no longer seem disposed to converting the unbelieving to Christ, they can at least convert them to the boggiest of soft-left political clichés, on the grounds that if Jesus were alive today he’d most likely be a gay Anglican bishop in a committed relationship driving around in an environmentally friendly car with an “Arms Are for Hugging” sticker on the way to an interfaith dialogue with a Wiccan and a couple of Wahhabi imams.”
Mark Steyn, 2005

Jesus had much compassion for the lost, but little tolerance for sin:

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

How judgemental of Christ to tell them to “sin no more”.

My advice to homosexuals, and indeed all sinners, is to repent of your sins, and “sin no more”. True repentance involves turning to, and receiving Christ as your Lord and Saviour. Without receiving Him there can be no forgiveness of sin.
And without Christ unrepentant sinners will end up in the Lake of Fire for all eternity – where the Devil and his angels will be also.
This deserves your urgent attention, folks – time is short.

January 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
it’s socialist to
whack off onto your same-sex
cousin’s firm buttocks

hahaha !!! Love it !!

No thanks, I think you’ve put me off Christianity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk

He’s very good at this job and many ears are tickled by such tricks as “it’s all about human rights.”

He picks lots of emotive grey areas and this topic is one of his par-excellence battlegrounds.

Over to you, but if I were you, I’d bear in mind this is one area where you need if you are attendant toward G-d, to be extremely dedicated toward discerning the true message.

BTW: Hint: it’s not about you; it’s about what happens to society if your particular conclusion and opinion takes hold and flourishes.

We all have to judge things every day – whether something is right or wrong. We are confronted by situations daily where we must judge what is right. I think the passages you quote refer more to ‘condemning’ than judging. If I look at relationships that include homosexual relations then yes, I do judge them to be wrong when I hold it up the commandments God gives us through his Word. Equally, you judge me to be wrong in the same way (or is it only OK for Christians not to judge, but OK for you? Are you quoting those passages because you believe them, or are you just trying to be clever?).

In the end it is not for me to condemn. It is God’s job to administer Justice.

The Catholic catechism says regarding homosexuals –

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

This does not mean that I have to agree with some of their actions, though; and I never will.

I DO see a lot of judgement and condemnation by posters like CharlieBrown. Am I not allowed to disagree with some of the things that people do? The same way you disagree with me. I don’t care what people do in private in their own homes but I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit idly by and see laws changed which will damage society as a whole because of an ‘anything goes’ mentality.

It is preserving the sacred union of marriage and maintaining the purpose for which it was instituted – that is procreation.

If I may add my own cut and paste
Genesis 1:27-28

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

meat.

Are you going for a gold medal or something?
( stuffchristianslike.net/2008/06/309-the-judgment-olympics/ )

“I think I’ll let God judge me and my motives” – how about applying that rule to other folk? Even if ye have proclaimed they be ‘unsaved’. What are you trying to achieve?

I’m personally not too worried about my marriage imploding under the weight of gay & lesbian kissing at altars. Not convinced gay marriage is neccessary… OR a horrible exploding threat of doom to society. Don’t we have, like, P addiction and child abuse and stuff?

Ten tonnes of joint testosterone and a Turkey Baster will go for miles

Kris K – here are a few more cut and pastes directed at you:

As usual, the ‘unsaved’ quoting scripture miss entirely what is actually being said, and to whom it is being said.

Here’s one for you, Anna:

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Gee, he that is “spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man”, or woman, for that matter.
I think I’ll let God judge me and my motives, Anna, but you have bigger concerns – a little thing called ‘salvation’ to consider.
And I do advise you to do just that – your eternal soul is at stake.

I’m off for the evening – too many fruitloops spoiling the Christmas cake for my liking.