Minto helps Israeli win

January 7th, 2010 at 9:13 am by David Farrar

Its nice of to organise protests that helps Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer win her matches. She is of course used to the protests, so it ends up putting of fher opponents.

It’s a win-win. The longer Peer keeps winning, the longer the protesters get to protest. So hopefully Peer will go through to the final!

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92 Responses to “Minto helps Israeli win”

  1. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    John Minto is a disgusting creep for doing this. Would he protest against players from Iran, China, Russia, Cuba, Zimbabwe, South Africa (its still a racist government), Libya and other countries with questionable track records? Targeting a single athlete is the lowest of the low. I wish I was up in Auckland so I could sit by the protestors to heckle and mock them.

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  2. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    Minto is a dried up turd. My brother who is a cop beat the shit out of him at Lancaster Park in the days of the riots…he cried like a baby when batoned…good job..what a waste of space and an embarresment to NZ.

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  3. scanner (340 comments) says:

    Minto and his band of fellow feltchers seem to delight in continuing to cause trouble in this new decade as have done in the last three.
    The easy solution would be a total media blackout of him and his followers, without the media he is nothing, then perhaps whilst no one is watching he can be given what he so richly deserves, the mother of all good hidings.
    What a great way to raise money for a charity, most of NZ would line up to pay a dollar a kick or punch on this turd.

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  4. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    In an interview conducted today, there was apparently a worse thing than the noise:

    “The smell was terrible! When the wind changed, a horrible pong wafted down from the protesters”

    “They must be conducting a hygiene strike – apparently they didn’t wash for the last month. There’s only 9 of them, so it’s a pretty fair effort”

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  5. david (2,482 comments) says:

    Question for the day:
    How would you react if your child came home from the first day of school and told you ” I am in Mr Minto’s class”?

    I have this (old-fashioned?) attitude that a teacher should conduct themselves both in and out of the classroom in a way that commands respect and gives the pupils reason to look to them for knowledge and guidance.

    Minto’s actions and demeanour certainly compromise that.

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  6. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    Minto’s protest is idiotic. The vast majority of Kiwis do not think it is fair to pick on someone for their nationality. That is perilously close to racism (something I thought Mr Minto disapproved of).

    This should have been clearly demonstrated to him last year by the reaction when an Invercargill cafe refused to serve an Israeli tourist. Even those who believed that Israel’s conduct of the military incursion into Gaza was wrong were offended by this. The result was an effective boycott of the Mevlana Cafe – which now no longer exists under that name.

    All Minto is achieving is alienating people. Regardless of the right or wrong of his cause he is actually hurting it by his actions.

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  7. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    Honestly, the organisers should be insisting on a greater police presence and demanding the arrest of these protesters for disturbing the peace, that’s what they’re doing!

    Minto is certainly a media darling, he gets attention for his causes but shit it must be hard to be almost universally loathed!! LOL

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  8. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Minto now asks “Where are the Palestinian Tennis Players?”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/blogs/frontline/3211294/Where-are-the-Palestinian-tennis-players

    They won’t print any of my comments – but here is the answer: Amir Hadad

    He was born in Ramla, and partnered with Jewish Israeli Harel Levy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Hadad

    Minto is a one eyed racist.

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  9. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    I’ll not get into demonising The National Conscience.

    In many ways, I would be in sympathy with him on this, because the Israeli behaviour towards the Palestinians has been oppressive for more than 60 years.

    What is unconscionable about The National Concience and his eight followers is how they demand Shahar Pe’er lay down her life for their cause.

    The National Conscience has no right to do that. He has no right to impose his beliefs on anyone else.

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  10. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Sorry – I should confirm Amir Hadad actually is a Jewish Israeli – he partnered with Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi of Pakistan

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  11. Nigel (503 comments) says:

    Whilst I have some sympathy for protesting against Israel’s actions re: Palestine, this form of protesting is just wrong.

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  12. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Minto now asks “Where are the Palestinian Tennis Players?”

    Probably at the same place where the NZ tennis players are on teh world stage. So far down the rankings they don’t exist. Minto is something that you get on your shoe on a hot day and try to scrape off on the curb.

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  13. GPT1 (2,043 comments) says:

    Minto is a disgrace, his actions are mean, viscious and pointless. All he is doing is being rude to a guest of this country and buggering up a NZ Tennis tournament.

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  14. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Whats with the guy that got arrested? He looked like he had just come out of the bush and had a Charles Mason look about him.

    Is anyone able to confirm that was PhilU and WINZ paid for the bus fair?

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  15. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Sometimes I wish I lived in Auckland so I could go around to his place and yell through a megaphone at his family for supporting a terrorist sympathiser. That and set up a tent on his front lawn because isn’t he also into that ‘all property is theft’ thing?

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  16. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    If I was rich I would buy all these clowns a one way ticket to Palestine, megaphone included, let them yell at Israel, should be good for a laugh.

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  17. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Didn’t see Minto down in Queenstown protesting against Gadafi’s son who was looking to by some property in NZ or protesting outside the Iranian embassy for the killing of opposition supporters.

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  18. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Last night Minto called for the NZ Govt to cut all ties with Israel including investment, sport, tourism and trade.

    Couple of things he maybe hasn’t thought through
    - Israeli backpackers spend alot of time and money in NZ. Is Minto going to make up the lost income to the tourism industry
    - Intel chips, CT/MRI Scanners, anti-spam filtering is all designed and partly manufactured in Israel. What are Minto’s students going to use for computers this year

    I hope the prick gets a large blood clot on the brain and has the morals to decline a CT/MRI scan at the hospital as this would clearly be hypocritical.

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  19. Graeme Edgeler (3,222 comments) says:

    Become a fan:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shahar-Peer/127149280082

    Let’s see if we can’t get her to a thousand before she leaves the country…

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  20. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

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  21. GPT1 (2,043 comments) says:

    By Minto’s logic those of us who disagree with his views would be quite justified in following his kids around and abusing them.

    The point that Minto (deliberately) misses is that this young lady is not an Israeli tennis player but rather a professional tennis player who happens to be from Israel. This is not boycotting or protesting against a national team rather it is beating up on an individual because of her race. What’s the next step? Firebomb a few synogogues?

    Sonic – you miss the point. Minto has his right to free speech, as we have the right to point out that he’s being an asshole.
    Were it gets a bit blurred is his right to free speech vs the right of the organisers to run an event and the spectators to watch an event. The police seemed to have tread that tightrope OK so far.

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  22. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    sonic himself!

    A left-wing voice from the distant past, another Lazarus who has come back to life, when many of us thought you were defunct, muerto, finitto, dead and buried.

    It wasn’t to be. :-)

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  23. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    I see Minto just got arrested at the tennis. I expect his next post will be on his terrible treatment by the jew-loving pigs.

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  24. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Thanks Graeme for the link. Have just become a fan.

    Sonic best you turn your computer off before that Israeli Intel chip infects you with some right wing thoughts.

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  25. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    On a related topic I see the PA wants Israel to return to the pre 67 borders.

    Would that mean that there would be no more Palestinians and therefore no need for groups like Auckland Freedom for Palestine?

    After all the West Bank should then be part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt

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  26. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    What is it with Fairfucked NZ newspapers and the Marxist scumbag John Minto?

    They build him by providing Minto with regular and generous space to insult and rile their newspapers’ paying subscribers. Today Minto’s ugly face is plastered over the front of the Stuff web site. Do Fairfax owners in Australia understand how left wing their New Zealand newspapers have become?

    And ah, with an 11.15 am post Sonic/Insonic/Catatonic returns to Kiwiblog, enticed by the chance to support Minto. I bet nurse doesn’t know you’ve been on the internet again, Catatonic.

    Poster David at 9.43 is right to question mad Minto’s suitability to teach in taxpayer-funded schools, or in private ones either. Perhaps he’d fit well in a madrasa though.

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  27. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Southern Raider – exactly. There never has been a Palestine. When Israel tried to return Gaza, Egypt didn’t want it.

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  28. Grizz (477 comments) says:

    Sonic,

    Yes we all should be entitled to free speech. The flip side is that I can criticize your point of view. If I feel that you see the world through rose tinted glasses, then I am allowed to say that.

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  29. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    Re Grizz at 12.08… yes we all should be entitled to free speech.

    But should we be allowed to force other people to listen to it by blasting them with megaphones and disturbing their entertainment and choice of entertainment or work?

    Marxist Minto would use the privileges of democracy to destroy democracy.

    Incidentally, since my 12.03 post, Minto’s Marxist mug has come off the front of the Stuff site, and his arrest has become the lead story.

    It will be interesting to see whether Fairfucked NZ newspapers continue to allow Minto to use them as a megaphone.

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  30. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    I’ve heard a rumour Shahar has requested Global Peace and Justice to tour with her on the rest of the WTA circuit.

    By the way she is playing this morning they have providing some great motivation.

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  31. 3-coil (1,184 comments) says:

    Minto will have a new target to harass next week when Mrs Clinton arrives – or will he overlook the increase in US troop numbers/escalation of the war in Afghanistan as less important than hassling a young Israeli woman?

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  32. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (552 comments) says:

    I see the loser got arrested. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3212353/John-Minto-arrested-at-tennis-protest

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  33. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Starbord remind me to buy your brother a beer.

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  34. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Jesus there were more camera crew than protestors hollywood. Thats nota protest thats a support group for the unemployed and idle.

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  35. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    One of the protesters from Global Peace and Justice Auckland, Joe Carolan said it was likely the campaigners to be back again tomorrow for Peer’s semifinal match.
    “It’s obvious that we’re just a small group of people here but there are obviously thousands of New Zealanders who do feel that protesters and peace activists have the rights to voice their opinion.

    The first part of his sentence is correct.

    The rest is questionable. A lot of people may have headed off to their baches, beaches and BBQs relaxed because they thought they heard the news before Christmas that the minto recipe had changed – but there must be some old stock left.

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  36. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    Shahar wins in 3! Minto arrested! Victory for the good guys all around!!!!!!!

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  37. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Shahar Peer has just won her way through to the semi-finals, where she may have to face a Japanese opponent. That could be a REAL Rent-a-Mob magnet :-)

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  38. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    Whale protests at court?

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  39. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    ““It’s obvious that we’re just a small group of people here but there are obviously thousands of New Zealanders who do feel that protesters and peace activists have the rights to voice their opinion.”

    If they are “peace activists”, why do they use megaphones and whistles to disturb the peace?

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  40. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Excuse me how is a handful of has-been hippies evidence of the will of “thousands”?

    Not in my name minto you scumbag. the only think he ever achieved was an upgrade in the police issue batton, forver after known as the minot bar.

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  41. Swiftman the infidel (329 comments) says:

    Me-me-me-Minto

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  42. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    Perhaps we should protest outside court when Minto is due to appear… protest that social crackpot vandals like him get locked-up, or preferably beaten and gagged.

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  43. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    I don’t like Minto, I don’t like what he has been doing at the tennis, but I think it’s highly hypocritical suggesting that a megaphone ear bashing should be punished with a physical bashing.

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  44. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    Theres nothing wrong with a little corporal punnishment

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  46. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    The principle is an interesting idea Pete… but its minto so who cares.

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  48. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Now wouldn’t that be a nice photo op Save the Whales and Hate the Jews vs the clueless NZ Police.
    Yeah great publicity for John Boy’s tolerant safe benign environment.

    Why doesn’t the local rugby team go down there and sort them all out, like in the old days.
    Oh I forgot they were the local cops too!

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  49. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Why don’t you Mike?

    Chickensh*t?

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  50. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Duh!
    Would you definitely go down there and mingle with the protesters?

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  51. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    So you want them “sorted out” but are too scared to do anything about it Mike?

    I should not be too judgemental, perhaps you are disabled, or a 7 year old child.

    Must be something like that, after all no-one would be so dumb as to make the statements you have on this thread without having the gumption to back them up.

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  52. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Sonic
    I didn’t understand the comments at you from the others when you appeared.
    it’s all becoming clear now.

    Just for this time.
    NZPolice allows people to deliberately disturb the peace with Loudhailers and drums, of people who have paid hard earned money, for seats at a tennis tournament, where they are showed to the entire world as a bunch of PC dickheads, because of what?

    PC Cowardice
    from the professionals (remember we aren’t allowed to deal to situations any more?, we get prosecuted or our phones blocked so we can’t ring neighbours).
    One complaint of disturbance of the peace to a decent police force and the loudhailers and drums would be confiscated and the owners/users arrested.
    Any others who interfered with people to their quiet enjoyment would be treated likewise.

    If I was a promoter I would be wary of NZ as it isn’t really a safe place for people to enjoy and for me to make money.

    What was it the others said about you again?

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  53. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Murray (4230) Says:
    January 7th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Jesus there were more camera crew than protestors hollywood. Thats nota protest thats a support group for the unemployed and idle.

    Inventory2 (3876) Says:
    January 7th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    ““It’s obvious that we’re just a small group of people here but there are obviously thousands of New Zealanders who do feel that protesters and peace activists have the rights to voice their opinion.”

    If they are “peace activists”, why do they use megaphones and whistles to disturb the peace?

    Why Indeed?
    Because they want to ruin other peoples enjoyment in the hope that the little Jewish girl will leave or be forced to by the tournament directors. In short they are bullies.
    Thank God for people who stand up to the slime that Sonic supports.
    I hope she wins the bloody Tournament and I don’t even watch Tennis.

    Shame on NZPolice and the duty Minister, they should have been arrested at the first drumroll and loudhailer annoucement :-)

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  54. Sean (294 comments) says:

    “It’s obvious that we’re just a small group of people here but there are obviously thousands of New Zealanders who do feel that protesters and peace activists have the rights to voice their opinion”

    Apparently not – the Stuff poll running at 1158 to 157. In other words, Minto, nine out of ten people disagree with your method of protest.

    After trying to push a twenty-two year old woman around, what’s next Minto? Setting up outside a playcentre sandpit to target toddlers that come from rich homes?

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  55. Jman (84 comments) says:

    As a jew and a supporter of Israel, I’m proud of Shahar. She’s handling the abuse like a real professional and kicking ass on court. It is amusing how the protesters appear to be actually helping her tennis. Minto is a coward and a bully and I’m pretty sure that to neutral observers his actions are having the opposite effect to what he hoped.

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  56. slightlyright (93 comments) says:

    minto is a national disgrace not to mention a complete and utter embarrassment, this pathetic excuse for a man draws my utter contempt! So I’m delighted to see he’s been arrested today, let’s hope they throw away the key!

    I would add I have no problem with freedom of expression and protest, indeed I’m doing it right now, but when you disturb the peace in the manner they are that is completely different. Drawing on that Freedom of expression might I also add they have a truly bizarre, foolish and naive view of the world, I can’t believe they believe the shit they talk! 20 years ago minto and his lot would have been kept in the asylum

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  57. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    the Stuff poll running at 1158 to 157

    It’s an indicator and a predictable result – but it seems like their polls don’t even block multiple votes, that’s slack.

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  58. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (759 comments) says:

    “Minto is a dried up turd. My brother who is a cop beat the shit out of him at Lancaster Park in the days of the riots…he cried like a baby when batoned…good job..what a waste of space and an embarresment to NZ.”
    WTF! Im not a Minto fan but…….
    1/ if Minto is a Turd then what does that make your brother?
    2/ is being batoned suppose to be fun?

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  59. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    “Pete George (3055) Says:
    January 7th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I don’t like Minto, I don’t like what he has been doing at the tennis, but I think it’s highly hypocritical suggesting that a megaphone ear bashing should be punished with a physical bashing.”

    I don’t seriously believe he should be bashed, however considering his past of social disorder, and how repugnant his behaviour is, I believe that a serious sentence needs to be given to him, whether it be prison for a week or a fine.

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  60. excusesofpuppets (133 comments) says:

    “starboard (751) Says:

    what a waste of space and an embarresment to NZ.”

    So is your spelling and grammar.

    Minto just seems desperate to justify his own existence now. He means absolutely nothing to me, therefore I would get absolutely no joy seeing him locked up indefinitely or beaten with batons as has been advocated in this thread. Most people seem to think he is a fruitcake these days. The more he realises this, the more he will break down. It is this breakdown that will bring me joy. Beatings or indefinite incarcerations only serve to martyr the undeserving.

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  61. E. Campbell (85 comments) says:

    After today’s arrest, perhaps it’s time for the Teachers’ Council to look at Minto’s fitness to continue to hold a teacher’s practising certificate.

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  62. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Have you seen the video on Stuff of the arrest. This is not a protest but personal and targets abuse. Sure have you views on Israel but singling out 1 individual who is probably only in Israel 5% of the year. There is no call for yelling out “shame on Shahar” and “Shahar out”. What has she done?

    Minto asks where is the Palestinian tennis players on his blog. How about where are the Palestinians in your protest group John? They are either professional students or Chardonnay Socialists.

    The Irish git in the video should be deported back to Belfast so he can see what good relationships is like. The old ex-teacher woman should be home with a cup of tea.

    And then the shouts of “this is what a Police state looks like”. Have any of these pricks ever left NZ and visited a Police state?

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  63. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    A thread to remember the next time you guys defend some cartoonist’s right to p*ss of Muslims.

    Really sonic, you surprise me sometimes. You equate our collective eye rolling with the behaviour from the Muslim countries and their citizens during the cartoon episode. Has anyone burnt down Minto’s house yet? Has anyone broken into his house with an axe to kill him yet?

    So feel free to whip out this thread next time you want to defend a muslims right to behead someone, or their right to burn down the embassy of a foriegn country for some supposed insult like a cartoon. All you will do is show how much of an idiot you are.

    Just like others have said, Minto has the right to free speech and to protest as he likes, but he does not have the right to disturb the peace, and we definately have the right to tell him and his smelly band of comrades that we think they are dim witted idiots and that we do not agree with them.

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  64. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    The video is great – excellent conduct by the Police.

    3 warnings, and clearly communicated that they had the right to protest, but that the megaphone was a violation of the Crimes Act. No violence, but very efficiently removing those in breach.

    Those arrested only have themselves to blame.

    In case their political alliance wasn’t clear, All their signs had “Socialist Aotearoa”

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  65. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    The shit stirring Minto needs a good zap with a sonic prodder.

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  66. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Photos on NZ Herald say it all.

    One of the protesters looks like he could have been arrested on New Years for breaching a liquor ban or something and seems to get a frill out of trying to pretend he is a matyr and being roughly treated by the Police.

    I bet you could ask this young plonker any question about the history of Israel and he would have no clue.

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  67. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    heh..time for another beating Minto..gona cry like a bubba again ?

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  68. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Hey guys dont be so hard on the cops.I would have thought a blog like this would be more supportive. They are between a rock and a hard place with just about any demo. They are always being judged by all sides and no doubt come under political pressure too. Getting that balance of allowing free speech or being seen to be heavy handed and anti democratic.

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  69. KT (1 comment) says:

    Maybe someone should give Starboard a good beating. What a creep!

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  70. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    What school does Minto teach at? It would be great if people set up a protest at his school saying “Shame on {the school}”. It sucks that only teachers, the unemployed and Students are the only ones that have the time (due to not working long hours) to protest, as these people that protest are by far the minority. You would probably find that 99% of NZ think that Minto is nothing more than an anti-establishment cretin.

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  71. deadrightkev (180 comments) says:

    I would pay a vast amount for a video clip of mutton head minto getting the baton from bubba.

    The clip could develop into a classic like one night in paris.

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  72. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    WTF! Im not a Minto fan but…….
    1/ if Minto is a Turd then what does that make your brother?

    all kudos to my brother for beating Minto until he blubbered and begged for it to stop..he deserved it…Minto is a piece of excrement…

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  73. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Looks like Minto has just been let out and come on line judging by the amount of thumbs down given in the last 30 minutes

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  74. Southern Raider (1,376 comments) says:

    Good work to 3 News for briefly mentioning the arrests, but not showing any video footage or interviews with Minto. This is the best way to deal with him.

    Anyone know if One News being more left leaning gave him any face time ?

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  75. dion (95 comments) says:

    > perhaps it’s time for the Teachers’ Council to look at Minto’s fitness to continue to hold a teacher’s practising certificate.

    http://www.teacherscouncil.govt.nz/cnc/complaints/makingcomplaints.stm

    Heh. Shame there’s no web form :-)

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  76. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Minto is a repulsive maggot. Why the hell he is given the time of day is beyond me? I gave up buying a local paper because the paper got Mintoblown!

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  77. fortunateson (7 comments) says:

    John Minto and his rent-a-mob are embarrassing! I actually do sympathise with the Palestinians but watching 9 losers outside a tennis match make a fool of themselves just makes more people resolve to ignore the issue in Palestine. Leave the tennis player alone you wankers! – if you have any understanding of foreign issues you will realise that you are wasting your time and just looking like dicks, but then, by the looks of the rent-a-mob, they are professional dicks and need no further training in the art.

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  78. big bruv (12,380 comments) says:

    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water………..

    dad4justice (5638) Says:

    January 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    Minto is a repulsive maggot. Why the hell he is given the time of day is beyond me? I gave up buying a local paper because the paper got Mintoblown!

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  79. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    You can’t swim blouse, infact you were a lousy cricket player. See a doctor about your fixation with me you nutbar. You need treatment . How about a face to face meeting? Yeah right. Real names please. Must go, lazy trout to catch in Taupo.

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  80. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    So the next time some of you want to protest against the anti smacking law, electoral finance legislation, fathers rights or whatever should the police just be able to round you up and throw you in a paddy wagon just cause they feel like it? (perhaps giving you the bash since some posters here are so keen to see a bit of claret) or should they follow the law that parliament and the courts have laid down for them? Or to put it another way is parliamentary democracy important or should the police just be allowed to do whatever they want?

    The substance of the protest isn’t the issue here. Lets face it, the number of people who support their cause is small, the number who think their protest is doing their cause any good is even smaller and by the time you account for the people who might support them but who think that Minto is a fuckwit, then the ranks are really starting to thin out (hence the need for the loudhailer).

    The issue here is that what the protesters were doing is not illegal in New Zealand (whether it should be illegal is an entirely different arguement). The police are either ignorant of the law or are deliberatly contravening it because there are no consequences for them for making a wrongful arrest and it effectively silences the protest. I’ll give them the benefit off the doubt and say its the first option as cock up is always a more likely option than conspiracy.

    Anyone who cares about free speech should be worried about this. The bottom line is that the laws that protect free speech for Minto are the same laws that protect free speech for you and I and that right is much more important to me than a game of fucking tennis. There is no guarantee that next time it will be a bunch of smelly extreme leftists, istead it could be you or someone whose cause you happen to agree with.

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  81. excusesofpuppets (133 comments) says:

    @Innocent bystander (120) – January 7th, 2010 at 9:06 pm:

    I understand what you are saying. I really do. But what Minto is doing is really is the wrong way about going about it.

    Bullying a single person because of her country of birth is the reason why only 16 people bothered to join their protest. Say what you will about media bias and right wing agendas – at the end of the day that is how it looks.

    Watching the videos of their protests just makes them look sad and weak. It isn’t doing their cause any good. This is the wrong approach for this issue. And Minto should have realised that last year.

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  82. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    From the video I still can’t believe the bloke from “Socialist Aotearoa” yelling that “This is what a police state looks like”.

    Can anybody here imagine New Zealand if it was run by Socialist Aotearoa? Any comments on their blogs that criticise them is swiftly removed – Freedom of speech?

    What else would be banned? Owning a business, choosing a way of life? Looking at all other Socialist countries in the world – those are the ones that are “Police States”.

    How about Iran? Don’t see too many protests from Socialist Aoteroa of GPJA there…. They seem to completely ignore Hamas – probably the sole blockage to peace. What freedoms do Hamas allow? How racist are they?

    Tomorrow the protesters will leave the tennis and conduct a march into the city. This means the Shahar will probably lose (as she won’t have the added motivation of their illegitimate protest).

    BTW – Shahar Peer has gained a visa to play in Dubai. This nullifies another of Minto’s (stupid) arguments that we had to follow suit with Dubai not granting her a Visa last year as part of a “boycott”

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  83. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    Minto had plenty of opportunity to exercise his right to protest and free speech, despite how misguided it was. He pushed it far to far. There were more noise complaints than there were protesters – who were using amplified PA systems.

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  84. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    “Innocent Bystander” posted at 9.06

    …Anyone who cares about free speech should be worried about this…

    What rubbish. If Mad Marxist Minto had just stood quietly in the street holding a sign expressing his opposition few would have objected. That’s freedom of speech.

    Trying to ram his message down other people’s ears with megaphones, and trying to disrupt their lawful entertainment is where Minto made an arsehole of himself.

    Anyone in NZ can issue press statements, start blogs or web sites or email newsletters, start minor or major print publications, hold public meetings, write to newspapers etc etc etc. That’s freedom of speech.

    In addition, Minto has the apparent support of the Fairfax NZ newspaper chain, which gives him space enormously out of porportion to public support for people of his political ilk.

    At the tennis, Minto abused his right to free speech. He tried to take away the right of others not to take notice.

    As for the role of Minto as a teacher in taxpayer funded schools, in case anyone thinks raising this question to be unfair consider this. If Kyle Chapman, at the other end of the political spectrum from Minto, wanted to teach in public school, would the education authorities allow him. Of course not.

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  85. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Innocent Bystander – you’re very wrong. The “right” to protest is not unfettered. The Brooker case that The Standard posted on is not absolute and neither is the right to freedom of expression.

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  86. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    @excuses of puppets

    Their protest is pretty misguided. They are victimising someone who has done nothing wrong and anyone trying to watch the tennis is just going to think they are a bunch of arseholes both for the disruption and for singling out the player. It is certainly not going to advance their cause. They might get a soundbite on the 6 o’clock news but to what efffect?

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  87. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    @Jack5
    Perfectly valid arguement but missing the point. I’m talking about what the law allows for and whether the police should operate outside of that, not about what you or I might think is reasonable free speech.

    @Gooner
    I’m not suggesting for a moment that it is or should be absolute and unfettered. However what Minto was doing was well within the bounds that the Supreme Court has set down. Its one for the lawyers, but I suspect the charges will either be dropped or the case will be thrown out of court.

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  88. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    @Jack5
    It kind of depends what he’s teaching and neither of us really know that.

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  89. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    “Innocent bystander” posted at 10.27:

    …what Minto was doing was well within the bounds that the Supreme Court has set down…

    If Minto’s performance does prove legal, the law will soon be changed or Bro. Key will be out on his ear.

    Re your point on Minto’s teaching. There are many criteria to the suitability for becoming a teacher. What he is teaching is only one aspect of this.

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  90. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    Anyone whom agrees with Minto the half chewin Minty needs there head read…. The guy is a horrible POS, the fact that he teaches our future generations is even sicker…. His subtle pushing of his out of his head views will do nothing positive to our countries young peole.

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  91. excusesofpuppets (133 comments) says:

    @ Innocent bystander (123) January 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm.

    I think you just wrote what I wrote, but differently?

    I highly doubt that most of the level-headed thinkers who read this site would want to take Mr. Minto’s right to protest, but I think the general consensus is that his protest has attracted less than 20 supporters (again), and to make up for it, he has to shout louder until he gets his 30 seconds on the 6′oclock news (where he will look like a twat).

    You pick on one person and you and your small group of followers will just look like assholes. And when you get arrested on National television for being assholes, most of the public who you are trying to win over are just going to laugh at you.

    The problem with this sort of activism is that he is still only attracting those very few people. Reminds me of the saying about the group of animals trying to run ‘the jungle’; when the mice try to take control, but the lions say, “it’s a good plan, but it lacks teeth and claws like we have”.

    Someone will correct me on that (because I have 11pm brain on), but 16 people trying to bully one person who has the sympathy of thousands of New Zealanders(the lions) are not going to achieve their goal (Israel pulling out of Palestine…)

    This isn’t 1981. This is starting to scream of some sort of activist mid-life crisis.

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  92. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    It’s about time someone started protesting against Maori tennis players.

    Leave the poor Israelis alone Minto.

    Concentrate on a real and local issue.

    You can use the same posters though, quite convenient.

    “Ban Apartheid!”

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