Sickening

January 25th, 2010 at 2:46 pm by David Farrar

The Gisborne Herald reports:

, 31, pleaded guilty to five charges of wilful cruelty to animals after he recorded himself on a cellphone tipping out five kittens from a box for his dog, and urging his dog to eat them.

It arose from an incident at a party at a house in Childers Road last September, prosecutor Vicki Thorpe told the court.

Mankelow was going into the property with his 18-month old pitbull dog Pepe.

Something in a truck parked alongside attracted the dog’s attention. When Mankelow looked inside, he saw five kittens, their eyes not yet open, in a cardboard box.

He took the box from the truck to a reserve alongside the property.

He tipped the kittens out of the box for his dog, which attacked them one by one, urged on by Mankelow, who recorded the whole attack on his cellphone.

All of the kittens were killed.

Someone called an SPCA officer who identified the remains of five kittens, with broken bones. At least one kitten had been disembowelled.

The officer estimated they were aged between six and 10 weeks.

Mankelow initially denied his actions, but then admitted it after being shown the video.

The law change promoted by , increasing the maximum penalty for this sort of vile behaviour, can’t happen too soon.

Calling for a pre-sentence report, Judge Spear warned Mankelow that although community or home detention was a possibility, he could not rule out prison. This depended on the judge on the day.

Anything less than prison should not be a possibility. The maximum sentence is three years, and this case is so vile, that it should be at the higher end.

And the sick fucker is so proud of what he did, he recorded what he did on his cellphone.

This also reinforces my prejudices against pitbull owners. People who decide to buy a pitbull, rarely do so for good reasons.

His relatives hurled abuse and obscene gestures at reporters as they sought to question them. One member of the family told The Herald the incident had been over-publicised.

Nowhere near enough, I say. I hope the media show off who these relatives were hurlign abuse defending their kitten killing socio-path.

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89 Responses to “Sickening”

  1. Swiftman the infidel (329 comments) says:

    Prison? Get real. They are only kittens.

    I hate both cats and dogs.

    [DPF: Then leave them alone, but don't condone someone getting their pitbull to rip helpless kittens apart]

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  2. Swiftman the infidel (329 comments) says:

    Cats kill native birds, native insects and native skinks and geckos.

    Frankly I don’t care how a cat is killed.

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  3. berend (1,630 comments) says:

    But disemboweling children up to 38 weeks is still allowed and taxpayer funded.

    [DPF: 20 demerits for off topic. Use general debate for abortion threads]

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  4. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Swiftman

    You are a piece of shit.

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  5. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Yes, it is sickening, but only by our cultural standards where we view some animals as pets.

    However, yesterday I was watching a documentary on life on earth. One section showed, in slow motion, a gazelle trying to outrun a leopard. I’ll leave you to guess at the outcome.

    Nature, and life in general, can be very cruel.

    I’d also question why someone had 5 kittens, eyes not yet open, in a box with no mother. No doubt the truck owner also had an end to life in mind for the kittens.

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  6. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Also, have you ever been on a dairy farm and seen the senseless killing of bobby calves? No economic return, so just bash them on the head to kill them. Yet farmers are never prosecuted for this.

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  7. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    I would love ten mins alone in a room with this c**t, nothing boils my blood more than this type of abject cruelty.

    I tend to agree with DPF re pitbulls, being a dog owner and trainer I know that they can be perfectly good as family pets, however, it is the low life scum that the breed attracts that causes the problem.

    IMHO the government has to ban them.

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  8. DRHILL (121 comments) says:

    A serial killer in the making?

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  9. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    “A serial killer in the making?”

    Not if I had my way…

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  10. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    BB, I personally don’t like pitbulls, but just about any dog will go for a cat. I keep my dog confined to my yard, or take him out on a lead. Cat owners seem incapable of doing the same, my dog has been trained to go for any cat it sees in the yard. he hasn’t got one yet, but he ahs turned a few white with fear.

    “A serial killer in the making”? Maybe, but not necessarilly so. Some serial killers have been shown to have tortured animals, some haven’t. And a lot of people torture animals and never go on to be serial killers.

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  11. Chthoniid (2,027 comments) says:

    I’ve had little cause to like many invasive pests and other animals, and hunted/destroyed many in the past.

    Nonetheless, I remain wedded to the idea of as humane kill as possible. There is nothing about an animal being a conservation threat that justifies a cruel and prolonged death. It also does not merit taking pleasure in the suffering of these animals either.

    While nature can be cruel as well, the point is we get a choice. We don’t have to be inhumane and there is a palpable wrongness in taking pleasure in the destruction of helpless life.

    I’m hoping for a prison sentence.

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  12. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    Is it me, or is it factual that we in NZ have a greater percentage of nasty horrible fuckers?

    It is so easy, treat others as you wish to be treated….

    MNIJ – it is of no matter what the kittens were doing in a box with no mother, the point here is what has happened by this POS member of society…

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  13. lastmanstanding (1,200 comments) says:

    This subhuman has all the makings of a murderer. History has shown they move from animals to human beings.

    What we should do is give the subhuman an injection Put him to sleep At least he wont suffer the pain of the kittens and we will have preempted the inevitable.

    As for his LOL whanu pity they werent put down at birth EWould have saved a lot of trouble

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  14. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    If the kittens only took a few seconds to die – what’s the big deal. Obviously the guy has a screw loose, but really is what he did any more cruel than pig sticking, or deer hunting with cross bows, or using a fish for live bait?

    And it certainly is less cruel than intensive pig farming.

    Dogs are great, but cats are pests in the same way as ferrets and stoats are and should be treated as such.

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  15. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    Funny thing is cats are cruel carnivores themselves. They kill native birds, and worst of all their owners let them roam the neighbourhood ripping into rubbish sacks (I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had to clean up after neighbourhood cats), defecating into the bark along the front of our house etc. I’m thinking of getting an air rifle to deal with the problem soon.

    For once some cats received justice and became the prey rather than the predator. Good job.

    [DPF: You are missing the point. It is not about the nature of cats and dogs. It is about the sadist who got his jollies by getting his dog to eat and kill half a dozen kittens. That is just as wrong as if he had put a cat into a birdcage to eat half a dozen budgies]

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  16. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    The guy has a potentially good defense – if it can be shown that the kittens died quickly – then really there was nothing illegal here.

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  17. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Ok….I’ll say it…..anyone suprised this scumbag is brown?

    No Im not trying for a racist dig……Im concerned how so common that fact has become in cases like this.What is happening in non white society that creates this sort of person so frequently….it seems.

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  18. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    Frankly a big game fisherman who plays a marlin for 10 hours and calls it ‘sport’ is a good deal more sick than this bloke.

    Or do animal protection laws only apply to certain favoured species?

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  19. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    mjennings

    The fact that you think torturing kittens is no big deal says so much about you, I look forward to the day when people like me can have you arrested for cruelty.

    Having said that, I agree with you about the Marlin fisherman.

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  20. projectman (203 comments) says:

    ‘Sick fucker’ is right. Clearly (from the family’s response) it’s genetic. Sentencing to a mental institution might be more appropriate.

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  21. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    big bruv: I’m sort of playing devil’s advocate. I don’t like what this guy did, but if we are consistent about what constitutes cruelty towards animals, there would be a whole lot of everyday, culturally acceptable practises in New Zealand which could be considered equally as cruel – and thus theoretically at least equally deserving of the harsh sentence this guy no doubt will get.

    There was a case last year I think, where a guy shot a cat with a crossbow. Of course it sounds shocking, because the target was a cat (carnivorous). But if what that guy did was illegal (from an animal cruelty perspective – not an ownership perspective), then are we going to ban all bow-hunting. Bow hunters rarely kill with their first shot, and innocent deer (completely herbivourous) have been known to run around like pin cushions with arrows stuck all over them.

    Are we going to ban the live baiting where a fish is skewered with a hook and left to thrash in agony for up to hours in order to attract bigger fish – yet this is something that seems completely acceptable. Surely would hobby fisherman who did such a thing be liable for imprisonment under the newly proposed laws, or even current laws – or at least should they be prosecuted?

    The issue is not as simplistic as some try and make out here.

    It seems to me the SPCA is more a society for dog and cat lovers, than one genuninely interested in preventing cruelty towards animals.

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  22. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    mjennings (10) Says:
    January 25th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Frankly a big game fisherman who plays a marlin for 10 hours and calls it ’sport’ is a good deal more sick than this bloke.

    Not that I’m a fisherman – but I guess the intent is different. Eg any fisherman would look upon landing a Marlin as a contest. I would think the intent behind feeding kittens to a pitbull is somewhat different wouldn’t you?

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  23. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    I would think the intent of feeding kittens to a pitbull is somewhat different wouldn’t you?

    Its about preventing unnecessary cruelty and animal suffering. The marlin or the kitten does not care what the intent of the human perpetrator was.

    The marlin fisherman goes out to take part in this contest knowing full well in advance the suffering that will be caused. And it is rather one-sided. The marlin is distressed greatly, but all the fisherman gets is perhaps a sore back and arms.

    If we compare the suffering of the hypothetical marlin – it would be obviously of far greater duration, and at least as terrible as the fate of the kittens who likely died within minutes if not seconds.

    But you have made a good point. The marlin fisherman is not to cause suffering, this guy likely was.

    So yes, I would rather have a beer with the marlin fisherman. The kitten killer is a likely pyschopath. The marlin fisherman an ordinary bloke.

    But the law punishes, rightly, actions, not mental state.

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  24. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    And to date the longest sentence for animal cruelty is…….. 10 months. I mostly agree with Big Bruv on this. I believe it is okay to kill an animal for food and it should be done as quickly as possible but this scumbag would have done this for fun.

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  25. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    I don’t like what happened in this case, presumably intent was evil. But mjennings makes a reasonable point about selectiveness. If I shoot and injure a possum and my dog finishes it off (can’t shoot it again when the dog has a hold) is that any better, except for the intent?

    (I don’t like doing pest control but need to).

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  26. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    The longest sentence for animal cruelty is now 28 months.

    A man who tore the head off a kitten in front of his family has been sentenced to two years and four months in prison.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622148

    I would think this is a far worse crime than that of Te Ahu Aaron Mankelow due to the effect on impressionabel children.

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  27. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    MyNameIsJack:

    Killing possums is I suppose mitigated by the necessity in keeping their numbers under control for a whole lot of obvious reasons.

    But in the case of sport fishing or bow hunting – it would be difficult to defend these from any angle – apart from it being ‘fun’ for the fisherman or hunter respectively. Even though the ‘fun’ does not necessarily derive from inflicting suffering, great suffering is obviously inflicted on an animal and the human perpetrator knows this well beforehand. So while not pyschopathically cruel, it could be argued that the fisherman or hunter who partakes in these sorts of things is callously indifferent to animal suffering.

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  28. Bok2 (100 comments) says:

    Surely like the Brooke incident, this is just a larikin having a bit of fun….

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  29. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    If this is “off topic”:

    berend 3:03 pm,

    But disemboweling children up to 38 weeks is still allowed and taxpayer funded.

    [DPF: 20 demerits for off topic. Use general debate for abortion threads]

    Then this, too, must be”off topic”:

    However, yesterday I was watching a documentary on life on earth. One section showed, in slow motion, a gazelle trying to outrun a leopard. I’ll leave you to guess at the outcome.

    Of course, one could argue that killing kittens in such a manner is no less cruel than those that perpetrate the taking of innocent human life – and that assumes you place the same value upon the life of a human as you do a kitten – something I don’t hold to.

    Note to Berend:
    Any comment mentioning the ‘A’ word (outside of GD) is likely to attract demerits from DPF.
    I have mentioned his inconsistency in this regard previously having also been a victim of his demerit wand on this subject when I have drawn similar parallels.

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  30. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    Just blogged about this, also the Pukekohe scumbag who ripped the head off a kitten in front of his partner and children.

    Big ups to Simon Bridges for picking up on this issue

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/01/animal-cruelty.html

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  31. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    IV2

    Why is it that so many of these low life happen to be Maori?

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  32. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    No, Kris K, nice try, but I was well and truly on topic, comparing the ways in which animals kill each other.

    Off topic would be if I asked why you think that god could only provide protein for the leopard by its tearing apart a live gazelle, so I won’t ask that and risk demerits.

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  33. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    also the Pukekohe scumbag who ripped the head off a kitten in front of his partner and children.

    He did it out of rage – I don’t think it was premeditated cruelty. And the kitten died fast. Still he deserved his sentence. But I didn’t know that it was illegal to kill cats or dogs.

    There was the case of the Tongan bloke who killed and cooked his dog earlier this year. If I remember rightly commentators said he actually did nothing illegal. And he was not prosecuted.

    The guy who killed the kitten got 2 years and four months.

    But then a student who beat an elderly man to death last year over a minor traffic incident got 3 years.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10600353

    Two years and four months for killing a cat. Three years for beating to death an old man.

    Something is not right.

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  34. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    The difference between this and throwing a baby to his pit bulls is a very fine one indeed.

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  35. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    MyNameIsJack 4:47 pm,

    No, Kris K, nice try, but I was well and truly on topic, comparing the ways in which animals kill each other.

    Of course, MNIJ, the fact that evolutionists regard humans as ‘just another animal’ would make Berends earlier 3:03 pm comment as valid as your own.
    Or are you arguing that Humans are somehow ‘special’ ?

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  36. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    Why is it that so many of these low life happen to be Maori?

    I’ve seen many middle class Pakeha dads show their sons how to thread a hook through a live wriggling fish just underneath the backbone and out the other side, cast it into the water and watch it thrash about in order to attract big fish. The more prolonged the suffering the ‘better’ of course.

    Maybe I should call the cops on them next time I am out fishing.

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  37. gravedodger (1,506 comments) says:

    Dog attacks girl, condemned and executed within hours without any due process as to why. ( I am a dog lover and not defending any dog that maims). This person not only uses the kittens to encourage his dog to attack and kill but gratuitously (assumed) records it and we, the good citizens will spend a poultice of our money to give him due process and pay for his prosecution and if convicted, the sentence.
    This time 5 kittens, next time, and there will be a next time, who and/or how many.

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  38. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    MyNameIsJack 4:47 pm,

    Oh, and MNIJ, leopards used to be vegetarian FYI – as did ALL dogs.

    So, in another place and in another time this pitbull would have never killed those kittens. And this lowlife would have never thought of committing such an atrocity.

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  39. GPT1 (2,087 comments) says:

    Could someone explain to me how he was remanded “at large” “on bail”?

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  40. GPT1 (2,087 comments) says:

    This is quite interesting. As MNIJ notes it is only really our cultural standards that are being offended – then again law tends to reflect the widely shared morality of society so that is not a complete argument.

    For those of us who like cats both these actions are appalling yet we no one really blinks when a live rat is feed to a python.

    The Pitbull one is quite easy. It would seem to be unnecessarily cruel and frankly sick thing to do.

    The twisting the head off is plain gross and doing it front of the family is quite scary but is the law to protect the animal or to lock someone up because they are on the path to being a psycho? I have finished rabbits off either by a chop to the back of the neck or twisting the neck until it breaks – personally I thought that was ending the suffering. On the other hand they weren’t family pets and it wasn’t infront of the family.

    To be honest I don’t really have an answer beyond the fact that both of these actions just seem plain wrong and completely out of kilter with societal norms.

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  41. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    What is it with these lowlifes that own pitbulls and other nasty breeds. Those dogs are nasty and so are the owners,thats why they keep them.Recently we’ve read of the All White mauled and in todays paper a child mauled.For goodness sake people have been mauled to death in this country in city suburbs,how third world is that?

    As to hunting and fishing theres nothing wrong with that.There is no intent to be cruel or to torture so it is spurious to draw comparisons with this case.

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  42. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    ..you only picking on him cos he maori…

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  43. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Kris K, there’s no such thing as an “evolutionist”, we prefer non-idiots. Humans are special, because we are humans. It’s not that complicated, not everyone needs a boring Bible and a manipulative minister to inform them how to be ethical.

    Those two who viciously slaughtered the birds in the Timaru aviary got 26 months and 12 months, but theirs would have included breaking and entering, and destruction of property.

    This sadistic asshole needs to be locked up for a good spell. He is a cruel hateful person, and is too thick to even understand the what he has done. There’s a good chance he’s a psychopath, I’d like to know his previous convictions. I’m glad I’m not his wife or kids, and I definitely hope I’m not the poor sap who upsets this fucker in a few years time and gets brutally murdered for it!

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  44. Chthoniid (2,027 comments) says:

    Picking up one point, intent does matter. You’d expect someone who accidentally drive over a 2 year old child in a driveway, to get a lesser sentence than someone who deliberately drives their car into someone.

    Second, in terms of cultural norms most hunting cultures I’m familiar with recognise and reward the hunter who can kill swiftly and cleanly- deliberately causing an animal to suffer is often taboo. It’s not just a Western norm. But in Western hunting, the goal is often to get a shot to the head or heart to minimise suffering. It’s also a skill test.

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  45. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    GPT1 said “The twisting the head off is plain gross and doing it front of the family is quite scary but is the law to protect the animal or to lock someone up because they are on the path to being a psycho? I have finished rabbits off either by a chop to the back of the neck or twisting the neck until it breaks – personally I thought that was ending the suffering. On the other hand they weren’t family pets and it wasn’t infront of the family.

    To be honest I don’t really have an answer beyond the fact that both of these actions just seem plain wrong and completely out of kilter with societal norms.”

    GPT1 – the kitten killer is your typical domestic violence type. In this case the violence was emotional rather than physical, but it would have been no less traumatic to the partner and children. According to the court story, this happened when Snook was drunk, and after an argument. In my blog post I suggested that Corrections might like to house Snook with Gary Laurence McKinlay – this from a TVNZ report:

    “McKinley, nearing the end of his prison sentence, allegedly stabbed his cellmate six times in the neck for scaring the feral cat.

    The attack was sparked after the prisoner entered the living room he shared with McKinley in the prison’s minimum-security unit, startling the cat and causing it to scamper away.”

    D’ya reckon Snook the cat killer and McKinlay the cat lover would get along?

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  46. Rex Widerstrom (5,253 comments) says:

    So again I ask, as I did when DPF first mentioned Simon Bridge’s excellent Private Members Bill… why isn’t it a government Bill?

    Key is only too happy to stand there grinning at the announcement of “three strikes” legislation, but can’t get off his arse and add Bridges’ Bill to the government’s agenda.

    Anyone want to bet that Mr Mankelow will one day be amongst those receiving his third strike, having moved on to harming human beings?

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  47. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    Rex – I understand that Simon Bridges will be lobbying his colleagues when everyone returns to Wellington shortly, and when the Bill is ready for introduction. Snook and Mankelow have certainly strengthened his case. Adopting this Bill should be a no-brainer for the government.

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  48. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    tristanb 5:45 pm,

    Kris K, there’s no such thing as an “evolutionist”, we prefer non-idiots.

    I regard evolutionists as idiots, so there you go.
    Do you worship at Darwin’s altar, Tristan?

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  49. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    “You’d expect someone who accidentally drive over a 2 year old child in a driveway, to get a lesser sentence than someone who deliberately drives their car into someone.”

    Agreed on that point.

    But the driver would obviously have no foreknowledge that he would kill a child.

    The marlin fisherman does know full well beforehand that his actions will cause great suffering, even if causing suffering is not his ultimate intent.

    “As to hunting and fishing theres nothing wrong with that.There is no intent to be cruel or to torture so it is spurious to draw comparisons with this case.”

    Using this sort of logic zoos should be allowed to cram animals into tiny cages as they use to before, keeping ‘dancing’ bears in Pakistan and India is not cruel, bear bile farms in China, or even Spanish bullfighting, or dog fighting is not cruel – simply because in none of these is the overall aim to get pleasure from torturing animals?

    Bridges should be clear on what he is on about. Are his proposed law changes designed prevent unnecessary animal suffering, or are they simply to sanctify the lives of cats and dogs?

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  50. Chthoniid (2,027 comments) says:

    Not sure I think this thread merits a segue into evolution, but noting that 1000′s of papers are published annually in peer-reviewed journals in evolutionary biology, whilst creationists haven’t had anything survive peer review, it’s hard to conclude that it is the evolutionary biologists are the stupid ones.

    I for one, would not find anyone who argued that carnivores like leopards were once herbivores, a manifestation of critical thinking and intelligence.

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  51. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Sorry but what a lot of emotional garbage goes before. What the clown did was stupid but frankly we don’t need another fucking 40 pages of law to legislate common sense and decency. One is prompted to say this is just advertising for an otherwise very ordinary, lacking of life’s experience pretty boy MP and I refer of course to Bridges. ( and before anyone rushes off and tells me how secure this seat is don’t be so sure. I have lived here a long time deal with many residents in a month and the mood is a changin.)
    This is the kind of garbage that the lefties always try on.
    Key and co were voted in by telling us all they were going to make change. Well this is just more of the same and what I find disturbing is all of you seem to think that its ok.FFS its 2010 and time for something better and time for personal responsibility not nanny state and babies bottles.

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  52. kiwitoffee (383 comments) says:

    For once I have to agree with most of what you say in this posting.

    The last paragraph, about the supportive and belligerant family, is what concerns me most. I wonder if their support extends to joining him in jail.

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  53. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    why do we ring our hands.
    No new laws is going to deal to this.
    The JP’s, Magistrate, Judges must give coherent sentences.
    jail for this and we don’t jail other people who steal thousands?

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  54. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    Viking2 – couldn’t disagree more. This is not a left/right issue. It’s about sending a message to the judiciary by way of increasing maximum available sentences. That, surely is the role of Parliament. There’s abundant evidence that people who abuse animals in such a sick fashion often go on to commit violent crimes against the likes of you and I.

    Sure, there’s an issue of personal responsibility, but there’s also a growing sector of society which doesn’t give a shit about anything and anyone. If keeping them in prison for longer is the price we have to pay, so be it.

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  55. Chthoniid (2,027 comments) says:

    I’m not sure there is a ethnic link. I remember a robust discussion with one Ngati Poru woman at the Matawhero Marae over the value of dissecting animals in zoology labs (she was against it).

    Most hunting cultures I have direct experience of (and these are people of generally darker hue than the average Anglo-Saxon) would apply fairly hefty sanctions to this type of overt cruelty.

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  56. salt (123 comments) says:

    oh, FFS.

    He fed tiny, helpless baby animals, which he had complete control over, to a dog, purely for his own pleasure in watching them die. That is NOT the same as fishing a marlin – which, although I entirely disagree with the whole sport, is at least something of a struggle and challenge, and the marlin isn’t completely under the fisherman’s control and care from the beginning – and is nowhere near the same as a dog finding a kitten in the wild and eating it for food. I’m not even going to touch the ridiculous abortion issue at the top (disembowelled???)

    If you do that, purely for pleasure, to a blind and helpless baby kitten, you are sick. And, for those of you who only care about humans, if you could do that to a baby cat – who mews, moves independently, is patently alive – how much of a step to a baby human?

    God almighty.

    Inventory 2: “people who don’t care about anything or anyone.” Exactly.

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  57. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    “that is NOT the same as fishing a marlin – which, although I entirely disagree with the whole sport, is at least something of a struggle and challenge, and the marlin isn’t completely under the fisherman’s control and care from the beginning”

    Completely irrelevant. The point is the degree of suffering inflicted. If he got his rocks off it he may be sick – but is that in itself a punishable offence?

    Granted the guy may be a bit unbalanced – but then if you look at the actual suffering inflicted it may not be as terrible as some would like to make out here. Certainly a lot less than the suffering inflicted on a kahawai used for live bait.

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  58. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    What a great pity Mr Mankelow could not have been present on the farm today. Was trying to shift a two year old Jersey bull out of a paddock back to the bull paddock. Now this bull is a nasty bit of work and his days of heifer chasing are coming to a swift end, the bastards seat is now booked on the first stock truck to Riverlands. Anyhow this bull decided that there was no way he was going to play ball, charged me and the four wheeler and lashed out with his back legs, don’t know how the bastard missed. He then jumped clear over a seven wire fence and into the neighbours property. Had to get the neighbour and my dogs to round him up, if you were silly enough to chase him on foot he would have had you. I would like to see how brave this piece of shit, Mankelow, would be when an animal has the ability to turn the hunter into the hunted

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  59. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    The guy is a dick head, but so are all those likening what he did to a bit of fishing!
    Quite frankly I am sick of all this values shifting bull crap, there are far worse “humane” issues with actual friggin humans than to be making such a fuss over a few mangy kittens. What the hell were they doing in a car any way? were they being looked after by an animal lover when said dick head found them?
    At the end of the day it is unacceptable what he did, but it is hardly national news.
    How about we do something about changing the rules to limit cat ownership to responsible individuals, these animals are very destructive when not cared for properly, how about dealing with the real issues instead of extrapolating out all this moralising bull shit about fishing slash hunting.

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  60. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    There’s abundant evidence that people who abuse animals in such a sick fashion often go on to commit violent crimes against the likes of you and I.

    Somehow I doubt very much that increasing the sentences on animal abusers is going to do squat to reduce the rate of violent crime.

    The fact is this guy is a weirdo and sick and has obviously a cruel personality.

    But what he actually did was not particularly cruel – apparently lot of people who own snakes feed them live mice.

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  61. salt (123 comments) says:

    mjennings: It’s different. Fishing for food is, as it were, ‘within the laws of nature’ (we are a carnivorous species, even though I, and i guess you, are vegeterian); and fishing for sport is an extension of that. Torturing for pleasure is going too far, on my ethical spectrum.

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  62. Peter (1,577 comments) says:

    Three years would be not nearly enough.

    Utter scum.

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  63. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    Salt:

    “Fishing for food is, as it were, ‘within the laws of nature’ (we are a carnivorous species, even though I, and i guess you, are vegeterian); and fishing for sport is an extension of that.”

    We can get all the fish we need at the supermarket.

    Sport fishing is just plain cruel – especially when a marlin or shark is ‘played’ on the end of a hook for several hours – there is absolutely no necessity for that from a human survival perspective. If humans want to eat marlin, surely there are easier and more humane methods of harvesting them.

    And do you agree that people who use fish as live bait should be prosecuted and jailed?

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  64. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Listen to the words of Green party supporter Shunda Barunda

    “there are far worse “humane” issues with actual friggin humans than to be making such a fuss over a few mangy kittens.”

    These are the same Greens who have been conning animal lovers for the last ten years, every time an election rolls around they trot out Sue Kedgley to tell us all what the Greens are going to do about animal welfare, and every time there is an election a large proportion of the Green party vote comes from animal lovers.

    Well we now know that on the issue of animal welfare the Greens are full of shit.

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  65. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    So send him to jail so you non tax payers can feel all self righteous while some poor sod working for minimum wages pays for the prick in jail. Make the bastard work in a slaughter house so that he learns to do the job the right way and so we don’t have to keep him. Jesus you socialists love spending other peoples money.

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  66. CharlieBrown (889 comments) says:

    “A man who tore the head off a kitten in front of his family has been sentenced to two years and four months in prison.”

    This prick deserves what he got, however it is concerning to see he has been done for animal cruelty when what he did wasn’t technically cruel to the animal. I’ve killed rabbits using similar methods after I wounded them when culling them on the farm and its concerning to see that such an act could technically put me in jail.

    I don’t know how but it would be better to see a law put in place that defines the difference between sensless killing like what that man did and necessary culling of animals, like the case of bobby calves being put down with a hammer, or a tongan man eating his violent dog.

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    When they burn kittens, they’ll burn people.

    Nia Glassie is proof.

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  68. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Big Bruv,

    you need positive karma!!!

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  69. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    What a piece of shit this lowlife is..
    No doubt a list of previous convictions for violence, child abuse, theft etc etc…

    What a lot of money would be saved if this wanker gets offed in jail.

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  70. travisb (18 comments) says:

    Put this guy in the Lion enclosure at the zoo.

    Ask him to twist the heads off of those kitties.

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  71. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Put this guy in the Lion enclosure at the zoo.

    Ask him to twist the heads off of those kitties.”

    haha

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  72. Biomag83 (94 comments) says:

    This guy is sick and he ought to get a jail term for what he did, the family there cheering him on need to be shot. Also what would make this a more grave crime is the fact that the kittens did not belong to the offender but were a private persons, so theif of property would have to be brought into the sentencing. On an aside I once had a pitbull, very lovely dog and adorable to those he knew and protected but watch out if you werent a freind or family

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  73. tarrant (35 comments) says:

    One thing this was NOT, was a mere “error of judgment” – as one of the family members put it to a TV reporter.

    This man has trained the dog to kill, and the dog was so dangerous, it had to be put down.

    He quite possibly was getting the dog used to the taste of blood, by feeding this animal live, defenceless kittens.

    This is sick and premeditated and in no way can be characterised as as “error of judgment.”

    The whanau would be better off looking into their minds and hearts and souls to see how this act of violence and abuse came about.

    It is fairly obvious that this man was brutalised and abused in order to act in this fashion.

    These people need to look at the patterns of abuse and violence that exist in their whanau.

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  74. ZenTiger (425 comments) says:

    Yes, it is sickening, but only by our cultural standards where we view some animals as pets.

    To be specific, these kittens, living in our culture, who could have been some-one else’s pets. Therefore, it is indeed sickening and the remainder of your sentence almost pointless.

    However, yesterday I was watching a documentary on life on earth. One section showed, in slow motion, a gazelle trying to outrun a leopard. I’ll leave you to guess at the outcome.

    Another pointless sentence. That situation is nowhere near like some person stealing some-one’s kittens from a truck and setting his dog on them for fun. Guess what, we hold humans to a higher standard than animals. A defence of “I just felt like killing/raping that kitten/child” because a lion did it on a nature show and gee, any other culture might find this acceptable, so do I get off judge, because my reasoning is so good and excellent?”

    Nature, and life in general, can be very cruel.

    Nature can be. Does life need to be? Can it not also be kind, and loving? Well, yes. But it apparently takes more effort than MyNameisJack cares to consider.

    I’d also question why someone had 5 kittens, eyes not yet open, in a box with no mother.
    Yes, that sounds like a dangerous offense. Slam dunk there. And while we are distracted at a potential crime, oh look the guy caught with video evidence seems to have actually committed a *real* crime. Deal with it, Jack

    No doubt the truck owner also had an end to life in mind for the kittens.
    I would say there is some doubt, unless your default world view expects everyone to be a cold, heartless killer. Your comment that you train your dog to attack cats, and you expect cats to act like another animal entirely is quite disgusting.

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  75. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Hmm ,I have no problem with the bugger going to jail for what he did, but as others have pointed out we seem to have bloody strange double standards in the country.
    Example, keep tame deer in a paddock then charge some fat tourist a fat fee for him to shoot it from close range, and they do not even want or need the meat.
    Jeez I dislike arseholes who get a fucking thrill from killing, want to hunt dangerous game, wander up to Britain, they need more squaddies for the Helmland province.

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  76. MIKMS (164 comments) says:

    This man is sick. However, I would have to wonder what sort of person would take kittens that young away from their mother and give them to a random person rather than over to the RSPCA where they would have a chance at a real life rather than the sadist actions of this individual

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  77. willtruth (245 comments) says:

    mjennings. You make lots of really good points about how inconsistent we are about animal cruelty. But I think you would agree that this guy deserves some special attention from Her Majesty’s government for simple empirical reasons. He is more likely to go on and become a pyschopathic killer of humans. His motivation is pure cruelty, and it would seem he needs to be locked up to protect the rest of us until such time as he is rehabilitated. Yes a Marlin fisherman arguably causes more suffering, and he seems pretty indifferent about that suffering, and I think that should be illegal too. But he is not motivated by cruelty.

    You indirectly cause great suffering every time you buy bacon, and that’s bad, but it’s not nearly as bad because you are not buying the bacon deliberately to torture pigs.

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  78. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    “Listen to the words of Green party supporter Shunda Barunda”

    Umm big bruv, I believe you were the one that actually voted for them at least once :)

    I never have.

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  79. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    No need to ask whether he is a dog or cat person then?

    No seriously, it was all a mistake, Te Ahu was playing a harmless game of hide and seek with a bunch of young Maori girls on party pills and he yelled out peepee gonna eat those pussies.

    Unfortunately the dog misunderstood, hearing, Pepe eat those pussies!

    Could happen to anyone.

    God knows why his legal aid lawyer didn’t raise it as a defence.

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  80. Anna Sewell (42 comments) says:

    The sad thing is that a similar thing happened one year ago, but chances are people have already forgotten:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10551876

    Another sad thing is that people like Kris K find it appropriate to link abortion into the comments. It is no different to say bringing up abortion in the Clayton Weatherston thread. If your family member was murdered Kris K, and David covered the news story, how appropriate would you feel that someone went into that thread and started talking about animal or fetus murder? You’re pathetic, and you give your compassionate God and the other Christians who are doing their best to be meek servants a bad name through your misguided self-righteousness.

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  81. Anna Sewell (42 comments) says:

    P.S. Kris K, you may be interested in visiting http://www.lolchurch.co.nz/forums and clicking on the Bible Discussion subforum, then clicking on the thread The Holy Bible.

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  82. dad4justice (7,725 comments) says:

    So Shunda, big blouse has voted for the greens ? The sick troll needs help much like this offender.

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  83. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Swiftman the infidel: “Prison? Get real. They are only kittens.

    I hate both cats and dogs.”

    I hate socialists, white power freaks, lawyers and selected unionists. I’m assuming you’re ok with me feeding to dogs! Do you think before you type or are you part of team working on randomly producting a script for Hamlet?

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  84. Brian Smaller (3,982 comments) says:

    Pete George said

    I don’t like what happened in this case, presumably intent was evil. But mjennings makes a reasonable point about selectiveness. If I shoot and injure a possum and my dog finishes it off (can’t shoot it again when the dog has a hold) is that any better, except for the intent?

    (I don’t like doing pest control but need to).

    I rarely agree with Pete George, but do in this case. I shot a possum the other day and the poor thing was not dead. I bashed it’s head against a tree and killed it pretty much instantly. Unpleasant but necessary.

    This case is not so much about dogs eating cats – hell – it is what they evolved to do – kill and eat small furry animals. However, the point here is that this guy got his thrills from enabling it, watching it (and recording it). That was the ‘cruelty’ aspect of what he did.

    Put Bulls – just kill every one in the country. If it looks like a pit bull, get rid of it. Almost all serious attacks are done by these animals. I was out walking with a mate in Upper Hutt last week and we were rushed by one near Trentham Station. We out-faced it and it ran off, but if we had been kids and panicked, it’s hunting instinct may well have been triggered with the usual results.

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  85. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Anna Sewell [January 26th, 2010 at 2:22 am],

    Another sad thing is that people like Kris K find it appropriate to link abortion into the comments.

    FYI I didn’t raise it, but was responding to Berend’s 3:03 pm comment (yesterday), where he got 20 demerits for comparing the taking of innocent lives (in this case the five kittens) with the taking of other innocent lives (unborn humans).

    My support for this comparison is that both are unneccesary and cruel – and that in the case of unborn humans it is morally reprehensible, not to mention state funded as Berend stated.

    The really sad thing is that there are people such as yourself, Anna, who are hypocrits of the worst kind – I suggest you check your moral compass to see which way it’s pointing.

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  86. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    Murray (4393) Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    I hate socialists, white power freaks, lawyers and selected unionists. I’m assuming you’re ok with me feeding to dogs!

    If Swiftman’s not Murray, I am.

    In fact I’d help.

    Back to the canine and feline stuff.

    Personally I can’t think of a better use for the bird-murdering scum animals than dogfood and if their death is slow, painful and gruesome it simply reflects what they inflict on their prey every day.

    I do however have reservations about some dickhead getting their jollies watching this killing just as I detest cat-scum owners who tell me proudly about the half dead, often disemboweled and always tortured animals and birds their cowardly felines have brought home to them.

    Oh, and to the idiots out there I’ve just got back from yet another bloody great fishing trip.

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  87. mjennings (42 comments) says:

    No Im not trying for a racist dig……Im concerned how so common that fact has become in cases like this.What is happening in non white society that creates this sort of person so frequently….it seems.

    I wonder why the most sick, perverse, crimes seem to be committed by whites (noticeably South Island whites):

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622979&pnum=2

    Of course Mr Farrar will have no interest in drawing attention to this most vomit inducing criminal case (linked) in a long time.

    Maori, or other non-white depravities warrant racial condemnation of course.

    But not white over-representation in crimes of sexual perversity and paedophilia.

    I challenge Mr Farrar to create a blog on the House of Horrors killer – surely more deserving of condemnation than even this sick animal abuser.

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  88. Hmmmm (1 comment) says:

    My first time on this site and I’m surprised at how um varying views of nzers can be. The main point is that what this man did, by the law of our land, is illegal and he should be punished accordingly. Whether we think that there are double standards in regards to farming or fishing shouldn’t really have an impact on the result. Many years ago there was a referendum about murder/ manslaughter sentences in this country and there was an overwhelming reaction stating that we, as New Zealanders wanted tougher sentences and nothing was done. Really it’s not about us agreeing or disagreeing with what this man did or the sentence he COULD get but about punishing something that in our country is illegal, unnecessary and considered by most as immoral.

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  89. hori-jack21 (1 comment) says:

    u people don’t no him, n 4 ur info his father is white, so that makes him a half cast, i truly dont no what happened 2 him, he LOVED cats, rabbits, lambs n dogs! i would yell @ him 2 “get that blimen cat out of ur bed n put him outside” his response “but he’l get cold” this was a nightly thing 4 us. but seriously i have wondered what happened, 2 make him go like this. the son-te ahu, i no wouldn’t have done this. n No he was not brutilised or abused when he was young he was raised with 4 sisters, he was very spoilt even by his sisters. if n e 1 was 2 do this it would have been sum1 else in his family. she used 2 cut animals ears 2 c if it bled n wot colour was the blood. son would cry when we had 2 shave albert-the angora rabbit if we nicked him with the scissors, out came the plasters 2 put on albert and on mangu-the cat when she cut his ears. so stop making assumptions about people u don’t no @ ALL. i agree that it was cruel, but we all no cats in a box on the back of a truck or n e where, were going 2 kitty heaven!!!!!!!!!!fact! or gonna get dropped off on the side of the road 2 have their eyes pecked out – (while they were still alive) and carted off 2 a hawks nest dead or alive!!!!!!!!or starved 2 death!!!!!another fact

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