Between the extremes

February 6th, 2010 at 10:05 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Prime Minister will use his address this morning to tackle extremists on both sides of the race relations divide, saying they cynically damage the goodwill needed to put an end to grievance in New Zealand. …

His comments will target both sides – including Pakeha who believe the Treaty settlement process is a “gravy train” and that the price is too high, so past injustice should be ignored.

He will also tackle extremists, describing them as those who promote a culture of entitlement and separatism, who believe colonisation entitles to special treatment and whose sole objective is division.

I think the speech is necessary and overdue. However that does not mean it will automatically be effective.

In his speech at the marae yesterday, Mr Key discussed progress on Treaty settlements and said 2010 could be the year for a breakthrough on the foreshore and seabed. However, he said he needed to voice a note of caution that both sides had to compromise.

He also raised the 15 per cent Maori unemployment rate, saying improving education outcomes for Maori children would help address that.

I think improving education outcomes for Maori children is the most important thing that the Government can do. Except of course there is a limit to how much the Government can do by itself.

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31 Responses to “Between the extremes”

  1. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “He also raised the 15 per cent Maori unemployment rate, saying improving education outcomes for Maori children would help address that.”

    Not if the teachers unions are allowed to keep on controlling education in NZ.

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  2. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Gravy train?
    what about hidden clauses then?

    What a load of bull, improving Maori education outcomes, as if there hasn’t been millions thrown at this already.
    where have the Maori been on this one?
    What part does the family play in this?
    What part does the student play in this?
    What part does the Whanau play in this?
    Only if it is not at the expense of non Maori and doesn’t involve any racists laws or policies benefitting one race over another..

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  3. andrei (2,499 comments) says:

    Improving education outcomes for Maori children would help address that.

    Every Damn politician since 1877 when free and compulsory education became part of this countries landscape, has made those sort of noises.

    And the Maori who have benefited from 140 years of free education have now established themselves as an aristocracy while the descendants of the people their ancestors preyed upon, even to the point of eating them, remain an underclass.

    Why don’t we cut the crap about grievances – call it for what it is a power grab based on a sense of entitlement using the levers of white liberal guilt.

    And establish as a principle that who you are in this world is based upon merit not bestowed upon you who you are by birth

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  4. kowtow (7,584 comments) says:

    More Orwellianisms. Extremists are people who are way out there.By Mr Keys definition the majority of NZers are extremists. He needs to get a new speech writer.

    Getting into bed with the Maori Party was a mistake.Short term there was a lot of feel good about it. Long term the Maori Party will go with whoever they can milk…….oops saying that makes me an extremist.

    Going back to the smoking debate, its not about smoking being bad for all smokers and those around them, its about the appalling Maori smoking stats. Here we go again, one racial minority’s problem becomes a big problem for everyone.

    Same with unemployment,crime,education,housing,health…………

    Have a happy un National holiday.

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  5. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Not PC blog has an excellent article on Treaty Of Waitangi and its meaning.

    Feb 6 Should be One-Law-For-All Day

    It should be an enoyable reading.

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  6. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    “By Mr Keys definition the majority of NZers are extremists. ”

    he’s following Clarks lead – say it often enough and people start to think it. I only wish he’d shown his true colours before the election

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  7. dime (9,368 comments) says:

    jesus. did key just call me an extremist?? wtf

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  8. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    His indecisiveness reigns supreme. With nothing to say, he resorts to easy labels instead of acting as a real leader.
    I’m ashamed to call this spineless individual, empty-suit Key, the Prime Minister of our country.

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  9. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “By Mr Keys definition the majority of NZers are extremists. ”

    Unless of course they are worth say $50mill and then they don’t need to be extremists.

    Shit thats his plan no wonder he is so “relaxed”. He will make all naughty Mory worth $50mill and all those nasty extremists will just go away. Brilliant!

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  10. Jack5 (4,569 comments) says:

    Bro. Key on changing place names at Waitangi today:

    …sometimes iwi ask for restoration of historic names. New Zealanders have nothing to fear from this. Just think of how, many years ago, Mount Egmont was renamed Egmont/Taranaki. Over time everyone has become more comfortable with the change, to the point where Taranaki is the more common name nowadays. There are other settlements where name changes have taken place and where we can envisage this happening in the future…

    Central to place name revisionism is the Geographic Board. Helen Klark stacked it with Maori and environmentalists. H1′s appointments were for three years from 1 February 2007. (The exceptions are the chairman whose post comes with his job as Surveyor-General, and Kerry Marshall, whose appointment took effect in August 2009). The time for change is here.

    Watch whether Bro. Key makes this board (membership below at 31 January) reflect NZ society more. If conservationists on the board, why not farmers, if mountaineers, why not high country people? At present 30 per cent of the membership represents Maori interests, and this is higher than ethnic demography suggests.

    If Key wants a logical solution, he could mandate twin names for all features in the country, with public free to choose which they use the English one or the Maori one or both. Let usage decide. (Unfortunately/fortunately, this might steepen the decline of the NZ Herald, which under this system would doubtless rename itself the Aotearoa Niupepa and stampede subscribers with an abrupt change to Maori-only place names.)

    Here is the Geography Board membership at 31 January:

    Don Grant, Surveyor-General

    Sylvia Allan, urban and rural planner.

    Tipene O’Regan, winner (with Chris Finlayson’s legal help) of the sweetheart settlement for Ngai Tahu.

    Dr Wharehuia Milroy (Waitangi Tribunal member)

    Mr David Barnes, nominee of the Federated Mountain Clubs of NZ

    Kay Booth, tourism and recreation consultant,and a member of the Conservation Authority.

    Apirana Mahuika, Ngati Porou leader and Anglican clergyman.

    Michael Roche, geography professor.

    Geoff Howard, Land Information NZ chief executive.

    Kerry Marshall, Nelson local body politician and former chairman of the Conservation Authority.

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  11. Jack5 (4,569 comments) says:

    Further on Bro. Key and place names.

    When Bro. Key says New Zealanders (and he really means non-Maori NZers) have nothing to fear from a name change, how bloody patronising.

    Can we not question or oppose renaming place names in the English language into Maori proper nouns without being afraid?

    Afraid of what? Afraid of whom?

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  12. CharlieBrown (889 comments) says:

    That article clearly show how out of touch John Key and the herald is with middle New Zealand. The impact Brash’s Orewa speach had really shows NZ’s opinion… and it is insulting to call people who agree with Don Brash on this matter as extremists. John Key is a smiling lieing, in denial Chardonay Socialist.

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  13. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Well Jack the slimely little shitbag Neville (I like that name. Thanks BB) can pat himself on the back as much as he likes but it was called Mt Egmont when I first climbed it and it still is as far as I’m concerned and will be until I kark it.

    Likewise Somes, Ward and Stewart Islands. Mt.Cook and “The Musem of New Zealand” (not that I have ever gone to the shithole PC place).

    The PC brigade can try to do their best but it is just not enough to destroy the spirit of a real Patriot.

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  14. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    The Geographic board just dosen’t look properly representitlve to me. I have tried in vain but I just can’t see a Bob Smith (mechanic) or a Charlene Brown (housewife) or even a Rangi Hemopo (freezing worker). What a fuckin surprise. :)

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  15. dime (9,368 comments) says:

    Mt Egmont is known mainly as mt taranaki now because thats what kids grew up with ffs.

    Dime the extremist. im actually shocked. im in the same camp as a terrorist. great.

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  16. CharlieBrown (889 comments) says:

    Johnboy – you make a good point. All committess, commissions and tribunals in this country are made up of “extremists” with a narrow point of view and an agenda to push. Consider the human rights tribunal… full of tree loving feminist hippies, the waitangi tribunal… full of maori achademics. To say these people represent ordinary NZ is an insult.

    John Key has proved to be a cunning, scheming politician. He has realised that nearly 40% of voting NZ will never not vote national so he is doing absof&ckinglutely everything to keep the middle 20% happy. In doing this he is punishing the 40% vote base knowing that he won’t lose their votes. All this means is that we will probably have 18 years of labour policies.

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  17. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Hot off the press team. Neville Key returning triumphant from Waitangi with Hone’s written apology to all honky motherf***ers.

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  18. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Thats where the teachers do their bit for the old comintern dime in return for the cushy number they get from being members of the party. Indoctrinate the children and in the end you win the war even if it takes a few generations. Thats why this little place is rooted and we only get tossers to vote for come election time.

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  19. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    That was great Johnboy thanks for the laugh.

    Since we are extremists now … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzh-xq65rMs&feature=related

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  20. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Alas we shall never see the like again of his drunken, cigar puffing, old non-PC self.

    Perhaps Neville Key could derive some strength for his pathetic, puny little body from this one: The beaches speech. (and seabed and foreshore).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6llT2ZYg-4E&feature=related

    Up the extremists!

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  21. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    http://fora.tv/2008/02/21/Uncommon_Knowledge_Thomas_Sowell

    If Key is brave enough he will find here someone who controverts all his nonsensical statements, and puts the flame to what we have been up to here for the last 20 years. The man in question is Thomas Sowell, a Negro Enconomist.

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  22. kowtow (7,584 comments) says:

    “that’s what the kids grew up with”

    And the govt and policy tossers well know it. Look at TVNZ, Radio NZ they push the party line with such zeal its scary. The bi lingual anthem case another good example.

    My kids were in kindie and primary while the sing along thing was going. The schools were given casette/CD with the new approved version to sing along to.Presumably from the Ministry. No shortage of resouces when we want the kids onboard and why not they’re the future.

    Mould the kids ,shape the future.

    Goff is such a hypocrite ,he’s just been on One News fretting about ALL nzers!

    And some prick from the republicans has burned the national flag,treasonous bastard.

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  23. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Just how long did it take for that arse wipe disguised as a newspaper the Dumpost to spell it Whanganui.

    Yes folks the answer is faster than light passes between Neville Keys ears

    And that is 0.0000000000000000000001 of a second or is it 0.000001 of a second or who cares as long as Neville’s relaxed about it.

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  24. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    “If Key is brave enough he will find here someone who controverts all his nonsensical statements,..”

    Keep waiting, but I suspect hell will freeze over first.
    The truth of the matter is the PM has sold out to the racist Maori Party. Empty-suit Key is unfit for the position.

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  25. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    I guess around 25% of the community waiver around what’s easiest and what’s most non confrontational – IMO these are the swings that are Keys audience !

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  26. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    point is how do you get the 20% die hards Nat voters to see what the prick is doing????

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  27. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Maybe we start attending National Party meetings and asking them why and by what authority they are acting contrary to the stated principles of the party.

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  28. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    yeah red I agree – I’ve done this but they look as stunned about his actions as I do, I think the whole agenda is still at the ‘elite’ level

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  29. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Yes i agree with Redbaiter as well, problem is i have a streak of yellow running down my back.

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  30. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    National Party’s sell-out to Maori noticed by Fran O’Sullivan in the Herald:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10624402&pnum=2

    I quote: “Last year, Environment Minister Nick Smith refused to disclose to Parliament the detail of his talks with the leadership group and the Maori Party leaders, saying it was “confidential” in the same way its discussions were with the Act Party and other parties in Parliament. The upshot of Smith’s secret dealings was a sweetheart deal for Maori forest interests in the ETS as an obvious quid pro quo for Maori Party support on National Party policies.

    The group didn’t get all it wanted but it got a lot more than other forest owners who were disadvantaged by the Government’s ETS. Not surprisingly, the Iwi Leadership Group wants to repeat its earlier success.

    New Zealanders should say a clear No to this political version of insider dealing.”

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  31. jackp (668 comments) says:

    The public will never grasp what is going on and once they do, it’ll be too late. Mike NZ is right, those open clauses that Key is so keen to give away are never talked about. I rarely agree with Fran O’Sullivan but this time she is making an important point about the real reason Maori want the foreshore and seabed. Chris Finlayson is a snake and is not working in the best interest of all New Zealanders. I can see Winston Peters back into office. All he has to do is just talk about what Key is doing. There will be a lot of people that would listen.

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