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		<title>By: KiwiGreg</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660777</link>
		<dc:creator>KiwiGreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Should all bus drivers have full safety cages?
All people serving in shops? And especially in service stations?

Should there be a reaction and preventative measures taken every time shit happens&quot;

Maybe.  Employer&#039;s responsibility is to provide a safe workplace.  If driving a cab isnt safe then need to do something about it - cages would be my suggestion as in NYC.  But dont need a government regulation for this as it should be able to be sorted out under existing market and rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Should all bus drivers have full safety cages?<br />
All people serving in shops? And especially in service stations?</p>
<p>Should there be a reaction and preventative measures taken every time shit happens&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe.  Employer&#8217;s responsibility is to provide a safe workplace.  If driving a cab isnt safe then need to do something about it &#8211; cages would be my suggestion as in NYC.  But dont need a government regulation for this as it should be able to be sorted out under existing market and rules.</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660775</link>
		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftrightout - It isn&#039;t the place of Govt to dictate how business should be run. If you are concerned about driving a taxi get your employer to put a camera in, if he won&#039;t then don&#039;t drive it. It&#039;s called free choice. If the situation is bad enough then no one will drive the taxi. 
As I said already, we have more than enough nanny state that is going to take 20 years to sort out without introducing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftrightout &#8211; It isn&#8217;t the place of Govt to dictate how business should be run. If you are concerned about driving a taxi get your employer to put a camera in, if he won&#8217;t then don&#8217;t drive it. It&#8217;s called free choice. If the situation is bad enough then no one will drive the taxi.<br />
As I said already, we have more than enough nanny state that is going to take 20 years to sort out without introducing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660501</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or Neocon doctrine- with emphasis on &quot;con&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Neocon doctrine- with emphasis on &#8220;con&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660490</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I think DPF has a different tread for that sort of comment now side show. Line call really. &quot;

Yeah, I see there&#039;s a GD thread dedicated to religion now. Great to know the main GD thread will not be clogged up with AGW and/ or Socialist doctrine any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I think DPF has a different tread for that sort of comment now side show. Line call really. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I see there&#8217;s a GD thread dedicated to religion now. Great to know the main GD thread will not be clogged up with AGW and/ or Socialist doctrine any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660480</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my former life as an employer (NB I repeat, &lt;b&gt;employer&lt;/b&gt;, not like all these managers these days who join employers associations: these guys balls are not on the line like mine were!) I employed many young people.

Now sure, the work was pretty menial, but I ended up abandoning youth rates, not through any agitation from the kids, but just through sheer embarrassment.  They would pick the job up so quickly, and work so hard, that it was simply unjust to pay them less than a adult for the equivalent work.

So I just started them all on the adult minimum award rate.  They liked working for me, obviously, but would usually move on because the work just got too boring for them.  And I am talking about Pakeha, Maori and Pacific Island kids.  They were all brilliant.

My view is that not paying these kids adult rates is just ripping them off and if the business can&#039;t succeed under fair pay conditions, the owners should find a new line of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my former life as an employer (NB I repeat, <b>employer</b>, not like all these managers these days who join employers associations: these guys balls are not on the line like mine were!) I employed many young people.</p>
<p>Now sure, the work was pretty menial, but I ended up abandoning youth rates, not through any agitation from the kids, but just through sheer embarrassment.  They would pick the job up so quickly, and work so hard, that it was simply unjust to pay them less than a adult for the equivalent work.</p>
<p>So I just started them all on the adult minimum award rate.  They liked working for me, obviously, but would usually move on because the work just got too boring for them.  And I am talking about Pakeha, Maori and Pacific Island kids.  They were all brilliant.</p>
<p>My view is that not paying these kids adult rates is just ripping them off and if the business can&#8217;t succeed under fair pay conditions, the owners should find a new line of work.</p>
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		<title>By: LeftRightOut</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660478</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftRightOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaya, the majority of taxis are on the road 24/7. Do you think the owner does all the driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaya, the majority of taxis are on the road 24/7. Do you think the owner does all the driving?</p>
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		<title>By: kaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftrightout - you know what I meant. No other business needs nanny state to tell them how to operate.

The majority of taxis in NZ are owner operated and the drivers contract to the taxi company. Like all other small businesses you pay to do what you need to and deduct the expense from your gross income. We don&#039;t need more bullshit legislation.
We had nine years of that crap from Clark, it is a failed model which will take many years to sort out.

Oh and re the poll on Kiwiblog about minimum wage, 43% of the vote was for NO minimum wage. $15 was most popular amongst the example rates used, a country mile behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftrightout &#8211; you know what I meant. No other business needs nanny state to tell them how to operate.</p>
<p>The majority of taxis in NZ are owner operated and the drivers contract to the taxi company. Like all other small businesses you pay to do what you need to and deduct the expense from your gross income. We don&#8217;t need more bullshit legislation.<br />
We had nine years of that crap from Clark, it is a failed model which will take many years to sort out.</p>
<p>Oh and re the poll on Kiwiblog about minimum wage, 43% of the vote was for NO minimum wage. $15 was most popular amongst the example rates used, a country mile behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzza M</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660403</link>
		<dc:creator>Muzza M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is Farrar&#039;s blog and he can post on whatever he chooses, yada yada yada.  It might be me but I feel posts on the dirty backroom deals the Nats are doing with the MP are non existent.  Posts on the disgraceful behaviour of MP politicians are similairly non existent.  One and all correct if I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is Farrar&#8217;s blog and he can post on whatever he chooses, yada yada yada.  It might be me but I feel posts on the dirty backroom deals the Nats are doing with the MP are non existent.  Posts on the disgraceful behaviour of MP politicians are similairly non existent.  One and all correct if I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another bone to gnaw on, Kiwiblogniks...

Could this be what National began in NZ and Labour and National continued? Ethnic re-engineering?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7198329/Labours-secret-plan-to-lure-migrants.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bone to gnaw on, Kiwiblogniks&#8230;</p>
<p>Could this be what National began in NZ and Labour and National continued? Ethnic re-engineering?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7198329/Labours-secret-plan-to-lure-migrants.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7198329/Labours-secret-plan-to-lure-migrants.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660351</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Troy Michael Hansen got five months home detention and a final warning from Judge Noel Walsh who had decided that three weeks on remand in custody was enough jail time for the 19-year-old. &quot;

Something not quite right here MNZ. Troy never got name suppression to protect the victims! :)

Judge Noel Walsh sounds like he learned his judging at the same night classes as Judge Grant Fraser!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Troy Michael Hansen got five months home detention and a final warning from Judge Noel Walsh who had decided that three weeks on remand in custody was enough jail time for the 19-year-old. &#8221;</p>
<p>Something not quite right here MNZ. Troy never got name suppression to protect the victims! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Judge Noel Walsh sounds like he learned his judging at the same night classes as Judge Grant Fraser!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660292</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/92747/angry-words-sex-offender-gets-home-detention
&lt;i&gt; &quot;You think about those two young girls and what you did to them. If it happens again you will be locked up for a long, long time,&quot; said the judge at today&#039;s sentencing that followed the young BMX star&#039;s guilty pleas on January 20.

He has previous convictions for which he got supervision, community detention, and community work sentences. &lt;/i&gt;

Duh! why are we paying for some of our judges?
and on another thread we&#039;re discussing prisoners having the same rights as citizens to vote!</description>
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<i> &#8220;You think about those two young girls and what you did to them. If it happens again you will be locked up for a long, long time,&#8221; said the judge at today&#8217;s sentencing that followed the young BMX star&#8217;s guilty pleas on January 20.</p>
<p>He has previous convictions for which he got supervision, community detention, and community work sentences. </i></p>
<p>Duh! why are we paying for some of our judges?<br />
and on another thread we&#8217;re discussing prisoners having the same rights as citizens to vote!</p>
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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660273</link>
		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poll I saw on kiwiblog showed the biggest vote was for no minimum wage at all. Perhaps you should have another look</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll I saw on kiwiblog showed the biggest vote was for no minimum wage at all. Perhaps you should have another look</p>
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		<title>By: LeftRightOut</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660246</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftRightOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poll I saw on kiwiblog showed the biggest vote went to $15.

Anyway, Wilkinson is a waste of space seat warmer until National kind find a decent candidate for waimakariri. If she can&#039;t beat Clayton Cosgrove in a rural / urban seat who can she beat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll I saw on kiwiblog showed the biggest vote went to $15.</p>
<p>Anyway, Wilkinson is a waste of space seat warmer until National kind find a decent candidate for waimakariri. If she can&#8217;t beat Clayton Cosgrove in a rural / urban seat who can she beat?</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660243</link>
		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nats (Kate Wilkinson ) are talking about restoring youth rates.  Must have read the Kiwiblog debate where the pro youth rate side won the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nats (Kate Wilkinson ) are talking about restoring youth rates.  Must have read the Kiwiblog debate where the pro youth rate side won the day.</p>
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		<title>By: LeftRightOut</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660236</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftRightOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, you are expecting drivers to pay for security in a workplace they do not own.

And, as I see it, no one is asking the government to pay, simply to create some regulations that the owners must comply with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, you are expecting drivers to pay for security in a workplace they do not own.</p>
<p>And, as I see it, no one is asking the government to pay, simply to create some regulations that the owners must comply with.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660231</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should all bus drivers have full safety cages?
All people serving in shops? And especially in service stations?

Should there be a reaction and preventative measures taken every time shit happens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should all bus drivers have full safety cages?<br />
All people serving in shops? And especially in service stations?</p>
<p>Should there be a reaction and preventative measures taken every time shit happens?</p>
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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660230</link>
		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the taxi safety issue. shouldn&#039;t this be within the jurisdiction of OSH? If they rule that there has to be a safety screen and/or camera fitted then that&#039;s it - the taxi is ruled unfit as a workplace (and therefore off the road) until the taxi owner complies (as is my understanding of the department of business disablement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the taxi safety issue. shouldn&#8217;t this be within the jurisdiction of OSH? If they rule that there has to be a safety screen and/or camera fitted then that&#8217;s it &#8211; the taxi is ruled unfit as a workplace (and therefore off the road) until the taxi owner complies (as is my understanding of the department of business disablement).</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660228</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state shouldn&#039;t pay for taxi security safety systems just as they shouldn&#039;t pay for fixing the brakes or buying new safer tyres.

Sweeping regulation should be approached very carefully too. Why should taxis that do airport runs (and pay higher charges to do that) be made to buy security systems they may not need? Taxi drivers that work nights in higher risk areas should either take more risks or spend money on their own protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state shouldn&#8217;t pay for taxi security safety systems just as they shouldn&#8217;t pay for fixing the brakes or buying new safer tyres.</p>
<p>Sweeping regulation should be approached very carefully too. Why should taxis that do airport runs (and pay higher charges to do that) be made to buy security systems they may not need? Taxi drivers that work nights in higher risk areas should either take more risks or spend money on their own protection.</p>
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		<title>By: LeftRightOut</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/02/general_debate_10_february_2010.html#comment-660227</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftRightOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Key skewerd for breaking an election promise.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10625326

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZ7qXR32QE&amp;feature=player_embedded

maybe he can borrow John Howard&#039;s &lt;b&gt;non core promise&lt;/b&gt; used when he was exposed as lying about an Australian GST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Key skewerd for breaking an election promise.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10625326" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10625326</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZ7qXR32QE&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZ7qXR32QE&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>maybe he can borrow John Howard&#8217;s <b>non core promise</b> used when he was exposed as lying about an Australian GST.</p>
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		<title>By: LeftRightOut</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeftRightOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaya, I&#039;ll try to answer, without needing to swear, curse or cuss.

It may have escaped your notice, but unlike banks taxis are not owned by four major corporates. They are often individually owned and are run through a variety of co-operatives who have no coercive powers.

Sometimes there are good employers who provide the necessities for a safe work environment, and sometimes there are bad employers who will provide as little as possible and need the coercive force of the state to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaya, I&#8217;ll try to answer, without needing to swear, curse or cuss.</p>
<p>It may have escaped your notice, but unlike banks taxis are not owned by four major corporates. They are often individually owned and are run through a variety of co-operatives who have no coercive powers.</p>
<p>Sometimes there are good employers who provide the necessities for a safe work environment, and sometimes there are bad employers who will provide as little as possible and need the coercive force of the state to do the right thing.</p>
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