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Come on John Key, what has happened to open and transparent government, you know, the very foundation of democracy?
Whanau Ora report handed to government, will not be released publicly until government and racist party have an agreement.
Foreshore and Seabed review completed, report will not be released until government and racist party have come to an agreement.
When do the rest of us get to have a read, and a say?
Add this to the debacle with Auckland council mergers, a done deal before Auckland ratepayers had a chance to have any input to the process and you have a government that operates in secrecy and tells the rest of us to “just suck it up”. (Which govt minister recently sued that line?)
Reminded me of a job creation (or protection) scheme mentioned in a movie, the babysitter pinpricked all their employer’s condoms to try and ensure continuity of employment.
Microsoft have just unveiled the Windows 7 phone. its basically an operating system. they have signed up 8 or so manufacturers (samsung etc). they have strict minimum hardware requirements, the phone has to look a certain way etc
Reports are already saying it is better than the Iphone. on looks and functionality.
It also have an xbox live tie in. no other phone ties into a gaming system. it will be released end of year.
There is both touch screen and keyboard phones.
Apparently it will be great for email.
Im looking forward to having a play with one. it might replace my blackberry!
“I’m sorry, Cupertino, but Microsoft has nailed it. Windows Phone 7 feels like an iPhone from the future. The UI has the simplicity and elegance of Apple’s industrial design, while the iPhone’s UI still feels like a colorized Palm Pilot.”
What is it and why do I get the horrible feeling it’s going to cost a bomb and achieve little?
– Tariana Turia tell us it is “Maori solutions to Maori problems”.
– Why hasn’t it been trialled and shown to work? (blue-sky welfare policies don’t have a high success rate at the best of times)
– Why doesn’t anyone except the Maori Party know what it involves? (where is our government on this?)
– Why does a uniquely Maori solution require a lot of taxpayer money?
– Why doesn’t it also have an english name?
– Is John Key trying desperately to tack a “For All NZer’s” label onto this scheme because he’s just realised that voters might not appreciate apartheid policies?
It is wise to spend a lot of money on an untrialled scheme, which few government MPs can explain and which comes from a culture which has – more than any other in NZ – failed to solves it’s own problems?
Is it post-colonial guilt or MMP or both which sees the NZ government spending up to $1 billion on a scheme hatched in secret between the government and the Maori Party and with almost no public scrutiny?
I believe that any taxonomic system that would ‘key off’ Redbaiter as a libertarian has some major flaws in the defined traits. Or if you prefer, wow, that’s a pretty crappy definition instantly invalidated by the classing of Redbaiter as libertarian.
I’d have to say this is one case where PZ should stick to the pharyngulans.
A New York Times article about attempts by the far right conservatives in charge of the Texas State Board of Education to manipulate curriculum development and textbook production for public schools.
I wonder if anyone has actually calculated how much extra we pay for our power because of the infatuation with wind generation in NZ?
Other countries especially Spain seem to be in deep trouble over it, and it was fascinating to observe the negligible contribution of the billions invested in wind power during the UK’s recent cold snap, because there was no wind right when power demand was high.
Believe me, we’re not infatuated with wind power. We make very little use of it.
The economics of windpower in NZ are actually very good if we can site them in optimal locations. That’s very hard to do (e.g. the Te Waka farm has been repeatedly turned down in environment court). That means we end up having to build them too small in locations that aren’t optimal because of the RMA. It’s got nothing to do with the economics.
Windpower in NZ has several advantages compared to continental countries.
First, we’re an oceanic island. That makes wind currents far more constant and regular, as there aren’t adjacent landmasses and mountains in the way to create new convection currents or disrupt flows.
Second, NZ is arranged very nicely in the path of major trade winds coming across the Tasman. Wind in NZ is strong and predictable- features often absent in European or US continental windfarms.
Third, NZ is lacking in a lot of endangered flying birds. It would have to be a very depressed kiwi to make it up a wind-swept bare hill, climb up a turbine and jump into the blades. Other countries have more environmental spillovers into birdstrike.
Fourth, wind turbine technology has improved greatly in the last ten years with much higher yields of electricity, and an ability to operate in even stronger winds.
Fifth, the clean up costs of removing a wind farm are pretty benign. Clean up costs of a fossil fuel generator are quite high as you have a lot of heavy metals to deal with.
Anyway, the point is you can’t assume the economics of windfarms on continents and oceanic islands are the same. They’re not- oceanic islands are economically much more attractive.
Hey dime, Sony had a phone which hooked into the PS3 last year. Aino. There may be a better source of information on it, obviously it hasn’t been that successful yet but then Sony is classic for inventing proprietary solutions that would be good but only work if all of your gear is Sony, somewhat like Microsoft.
Having read one of the five central hadiths and the koran, I find it amazing that this is only being discussed now, that two home grown Muslims have killed Americans.
The UK have a big problem that they won’t acknowledge with the Black Policemans Union and some of those MI5 sucked in after 911.
James Sleep felt LeftRightOut when Klark flew away – so it had a orrible makeover – but the leftist slowness still remains. Boring Lairbour Lickspittle and commie cad.
Yawn must go hassle sonic and Dawkins. Must go a round with angry Trevor.
Hmmm, anyone got a dad4justice transaltor? Big Bruv, you out there so I can find out what the hell he means? Although the thought of d4j battling out with Dawkins … hysterical laughter
Question for Mr Dawkins on how things got the way they are? How come the learned ones can’t work out the full workings of a single human cell? Now Mr Dorkins don’t invent another load of crap you demented creep.James get out of toilet and you too Peter. Shall I ring Darwin on my cell and ask him MR DORKINS?
Who are james, sonic, Peter, Dorkins? The voices in your head?
OK, Mr Smartypants – how did things get the way they? How come most adults can have a conversation around topics while you and your love child, redbirther, can only insult and abuse? Are your 2 brain cells 3 too many?
Sorry Mike, I thought we were discussing the US. Your post, and your link, lead to that conclusion. Let’s stick with the US, as you originally raised, and not drag in side issues, OK?
Took a while but that’s a fascinating read. While the “Christians” accuse the “left” of conspiring to subvert the education system they are busy trying to do it themselves.
How come the learned ones can’t work out the full workings of a single human cell?
We have, it’s all about chemistry. The eukaryote cell isn’t all that hard to examine. I don’t think people appreciate how advances in genetic technology in the last 30 years have yielded such an accurate map of how cells and genes behave.
Come on mate there is a huge lack of understanding of the molecular and cellular basis for maintenance of human embryonic stem cell pluripotency. Dangerous to trust these fools pushing this sinister agenda.Surely you agree?
Dawkins just bans me like Russell Brown, the Standard deranged ones and Retard Angry Mallard. I laugh at the dumb fucks. NO ANSWER TO THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.
WONDER how many murders on lickspittle news tonite? Pipa will be sad tomoro. Grab a Mau burger – FFS!
Anybody answer my question?
Actually I think that the use of the pluripotency of human embryonic stem cells as the compelling case of our lack of understanding on human cells is:
(a) A pretty desperate gambit given the preponderance of other cells we have improved our understanding on; and
(b) a claim that is at odds with the research on pluripotency in the last 3-4 years.
When we get down to it, life at the cellular level is just biochemical reactions.
Hold there Chthonild, agree on “biochemical reactions,” chemistry over ( I just farted) now add the emotional element of human nature to the mix and little is known, because if it was sorted – then half the Western World wouldn’t be on happy pills.
Only a souless person could blog with a name like LeftRightOut.
Get a photo of that Soulbird mate.
Keep up play school, hopefully you learn Soul Music James before you fall asleep.
Go away and change your nappies.
Steve this soldier does not get any “winding up” chills. Been in the middle of real fire fight action have ya? I have,so don’t tell me about taking cowardly flack mate. There insane words make me feel sorry fot them.
RIP the souless creeps.
Emotions are biochemical reactions that can be modified by, well, chemicals.
I just love the authority of the above statement – even though it rings of more a statement of faith.
Emotions are a product of the soul. Just as are thoughts, conscience, sin – in other words the mind (independent of the brain).
If all that is required for ‘emotions’ is a bunch of biochemical reactions, then perhaps you can tell me how my dinner is ‘feeling’ about now as it’s being cooked on the hob.
Petey has sole fillets as Dawkins and Darwin are DD Bullshitters and Helen Klark does the bad apple, while Hillary drops another handful of psych pills.
An Australian court Monday sentenced five Muslim extremists to prison terms of 23 to 28 years after convicting them of preparing for terror attacks on unspecified targets by stockpiling explosive chemicals and firearms.
Justice Anthony Whealy of the New South Wales Supreme Court said he had little hope that the men, aged 25 to 44, could be rehabilitated, saying they were motivated by “intolerant, inflexible religious conviction” and had shown contempt for the Australian government, its leaders and laws.
The men were found guilty last October on charges linked to preparing for a terrorist act between July 2004 and November 2005. The men — Australian-born or naturalized citizens with Muslim immigrant backgrounds — had all pleaded not guilty to the charges.
They had stockpiled explosive chemicals and firearms, though it was not established where they would target.
During the trial, a former associate of the suspects testified that the group had considered bombing an Australian Rules football final in Melbourne in 2005 that was attended by almost 92,000 people. Prosecutors said they had also discussed killing former Prime Minister John Howard.
And some people wonder why thinking Kiwis are against Muslim immigration and settlement within New Zealand.
Notice that the Muslims were “Australian-born or naturalized citizens with Muslim immigrant backgrounds”. It’s not a matter of if, but when will NZ have its first act of terrorism committed by naturalised or NZ born Muslims.
Wake up sleepers, else you’ll be dead in your beds.
@david (1225) Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:21 pm edit
Congrats on making the big 1000 comments Chthoniid
Thanks.
My intention tonight is to mess up with the biochemical signals in my brain via a liberal ingestion of alcohol, prompted by a friend and colleague who died abruptly on Sunday due to cerebral malaria.
I fear I will be entirely too maudlin, or depressing to be around tonight, so will bid you all good night.
Hmmm – time to visit ye old RIP and add the latest taunting troll to the list – or is there some chance that LRO will actually put forward, you know, arguments?
Kris, the only terrorist attack on NZ soil was committed by Christians. Any reason why the next one won’t be?
Care to elucidate?
Or are you implying the Rainbow Warrior as per Johnboy’s suggestion?
If so, any proof the agents, or those that sent them were Christians, and were, in fact, following ‘biblical instruction’ (from the New Testament, please)?
My intention tonight is to mess up with the biochemical signals in my brain via a liberal ingestion of alcohol, prompted by a friend and colleague who died abruptly on Sunday due to cerebral malaria.
I fear I will be entirely too maudlin, or depressing to be around tonight, so will bid you all good night.
My sympathies for the loss of your friend and colleague.
I will try to ease your “biochemical signals” (emotions) the only way I know apart from my above expression of sympathy – I’ll pray for you that you might know God’s peace at this time, and that He will speak to you through your grief. He really does love His creatures, you know.
He just doesn’t like Moslems. Or does he, only you don’t like Moslems? You always sound pretty envious of them and the way they run their religion.
Maybe he likes Moslems more, because they believe so much in him they even are willing to die for him. That should impress him.
Worked in the old days.
I don’t know, I get confused with all this religious bullshit, who loves who and who doesn’t.
What pisses me off the most about Muslims/Islamics is they are all hiding this one little secret which is called let’s take over the world, kill everyone and get revenge.
I mean come on, innocent people get slaughtered by MUSLIMS and the other Billion of them just look away and whistle and go, hey, not our faction, and point and say, they went that a way!
OK, so if a small extremist faction of Christians start murdering innocent people like homocidal suicidal maniacs, at least the Christians will go, hey, not only is that not us, not our beliefs, but we highly criticize their actions.
You see, the last part is important.
There is no criticism, funny that.
WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE PEOPLE WANT TO MURDER YOU, REVENGE YOU, THEY HAVE BEEN PLANNING YOUR MASS MURDER FOR YEARS!!
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
Get off of your apathetic asses and do something.
How could France react first?
Sad.
It’s not easy to say I told you so after you are and your family are dead with their throats cut.
That is why we have a thing called instincts.
Use them.
No one reall used them before World Wat Two, remember?
You mean ones like Christopher Colombus, dedicated slave trader and slaughterer of indigenous populations wherever he went (those pesky buggers had to be slaughtered to be taught how to be civilised!).
Then you have Christians like Harry Truman, the only man to have used nuclear weapons outside of tests, slaughtering hundreds of thousands.
Stalin, the atheist, authorised the killing 30 million of this own people, but he helped us win the war, so that was OK by us Christians.
Genghis Khan and his mongols, in Mesopotamia alone killed 7,000,000, nearly all Muslims. Who survived? Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. The collaborators.
European (ie Christian) civil wars during the last two thousand years, how many dead? A few hundred million?
And in the 1990s, the world watched for a long time as a campaign of genocide raged against Bosnian Muslims (originally a Christian sect, perhaps the forerunner of Protestantism, pacifists and puritans) by the Serbian Christians. I have read accounts of women being raped 150 times in a few weeks. Of babies impaled on stakes, or thrown into ravines. Of whole villages of peaceful Muslims murdered in concentration camps. By Christians. A couple of decades ago.
And let’s not forget the million or so Iraqis killed by, yes, Christian G W Bush.
But Muslims killed 3000 Americans and a few hundred of us white people around the world, and they are the bad buggers!
Surely somewhere on the internet there is a tally up of how many people each religion has killed. Maybe broken down by faction/sect/denomination within each religion. Then we would know accurately who to abuse the most.
Actually I’m not to worried by the Mongols, they don’t seem to be much of a threat at the moment. Vlad the Impaler doesn’t seem to be threatening right now either.
Sources are plentiful. That you are apparently ignorant of them is a reason that should help you accept the fact that your posts here are the work of an empty headed moron.
It’s meaningless grouping a wide range of people under one “secular progressives” label, just as pointless as grouping others into “god believing killers”. Some have used a god or gods as an excuse, some have conveniently ignored their supposed faith, and some just do it using other excuses.
Luc hansen, you forgot el-nino, the boxing day tsunami, and hurricane Katrina, ALL DONE BY BLOODY CHRISTIANS!!!
Not to mention the Ozone hole, un-insulated homes, and herpes!!!!
To Christians isn’t God ultimately responsible for every violent death? Or everyone that sins (which is everyone) is responsible for all crap that happens? Is God also responsible for pointless arguments?
“Redbirther, care to cite a source for that? No doubt you plucked the figure from the same place you keep plucking your other lies.”
People that used ideology to supposedly progress the human race killed more people in one century than Christianity did in 2000 years.
Political and social ideology is more destructive than religion.
Shunda, odd how the defenders of religion always say “Christianity didn’t kill that many” when to get a true picture, one needs to tally up all the deaths in the name of all religions, not just one. And that was the basis of my Q to redbirther as well, does he count all religuious deaths, or if people weren’t killed by christians then religion wasn’t the cause?
religion is the single most destructive force in humanity.
And, in case you’ve forgotten, there are oodles of christians who credit god with all manner of natural disasters.
“religion is the single most destructive force in humanity.”
No it isn’t.
Your blinkered view of history just does not wash.
There is no evidence what so ever that religion is more destructive than any other manifestation of human thought.
There is however massive evidence for the extremely destructive forces of secular political and social ideology, these are the most destructive influences humans have endured in our entire existence.
Your personal dislike of religion changes nothing.
There is however massive evidence for the extremely destructive forces of secular political and social ideology, these are the most destructive influences humans have endured in our entire existence.
Hmm, I’m not sure you understand what secularism means.
Any violent ideology- a view that it is more important than individual life and liberty- that readily classes people as enemies of that ideology (heretics, pagans, capitalists, jews, infidels) etc is destructive when twinned with political power and killing tools. And the sad fact of Christianity is that it has too often, been violent and reactionary.
Secularism is a humanist ideal, not a destructive.
“Secularism is a humanist ideal, not a destructive.”
So the search for a “final solution” to religion is not going to be potentially destructive?
There is nothing new under the sun, just people that think they are too smart to fall into the same old traps, but they always do.
George Holyoake, the guy that first came up with the term “secularism” said :
“Secularism is not an argument against Christianity, it is one independent of it. It does not question the pretensions of Christianity; it advances others. Secularism does not say there is no light or guidance elsewhere, but maintains that there is light and guidance in secular truth, whose conditions and sanctions exist independently, and act forever.”
I am ok with this, in fact I believe it to be a necessary position of government and the doctrine of Christian free will.
What I am not ok with is secular humanists like Dawkins and friends being unhappy to just leave it there, they feel the need to go on a crusade against religion, specifically Christianity, and are hell bent on pinning all the worlds ills on religion.
They are pursuing a final solution for much the same reasons as others have pursued final solutions. The difference is they are so blinded by their own glory and perceived brilliance that they can’t see it.
But their followers will.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Who can trust the tories with the treasure? Buggers can’t even get basic maths correct.
The figures said that 54.32 per 1000 women aged 15-17 years old fell pregnant, which becomes 5.4%, not the 54% the Tories had arrived at.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/15/tories-pregnancy-mistake
February 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Govenment in secrecy.
Come on John Key, what has happened to open and transparent government, you know, the very foundation of democracy?
Whanau Ora report handed to government, will not be released publicly until government and racist party have an agreement.
Foreshore and Seabed review completed, report will not be released until government and racist party have come to an agreement.
When do the rest of us get to have a read, and a say?
Add this to the debacle with Auckland council mergers, a done deal before Auckland ratepayers had a chance to have any input to the process and you have a government that operates in secrecy and tells the rest of us to “just suck it up”. (Which govt minister recently sued that line?)
February 16th, 2010 at 10:01 am
LRO
No-one was right actually. Nobody “falls” pregnant, they f@#k themselves into that state in most cases.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Full, blue, two
January’s pair were full and blue.
And March repeats with full, blue too.
But February, fool’s light not once,
experience full moonless month.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Reminded me of a job creation (or protection) scheme mentioned in a movie, the babysitter pinpricked all their employer’s condoms to try and ensure continuity of employment.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Peter George: Or that old song –
“Now my grandma sells cheap prophylactics
She punctures the head with a pin
While grandpa does backstreet abortions
My god, how the money rolls in.”
February 16th, 2010 at 10:25 am
That’s bad.
Should accidental pregnancies be covered by ACC? They probably already are, most other things seem to be…..
February 16th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Microsoft have just unveiled the Windows 7 phone. its basically an operating system. they have signed up 8 or so manufacturers (samsung etc). they have strict minimum hardware requirements, the phone has to look a certain way etc
Reports are already saying it is better than the Iphone. on looks and functionality.
It also have an xbox live tie in. no other phone ties into a gaming system. it will be released end of year.
There is both touch screen and keyboard phones.
Apparently it will be great for email.
Im looking forward to having a play with one. it might replace my blackberry!
heres a link:
http://gizmodo.com/5472010/windows-phone-7-interface-microsoft-has-out+appled-apple
“I’m sorry, Cupertino, but Microsoft has nailed it. Windows Phone 7 feels like an iPhone from the future. The UI has the simplicity and elegance of Apple’s industrial design, while the iPhone’s UI still feels like a colorized Palm Pilot.”
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Pete what proportion of those currently on the DPB are there because the baby sitter pricked their condoms?
February 16th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Whanau Ora?
What is it and why do I get the horrible feeling it’s going to cost a bomb and achieve little?
– Tariana Turia tell us it is “Maori solutions to Maori problems”.
– Why hasn’t it been trialled and shown to work? (blue-sky welfare policies don’t have a high success rate at the best of times)
– Why doesn’t anyone except the Maori Party know what it involves? (where is our government on this?)
– Why does a uniquely Maori solution require a lot of taxpayer money?
– Why doesn’t it also have an english name?
– Is John Key trying desperately to tack a “For All NZer’s” label onto this scheme because he’s just realised that voters might not appreciate apartheid policies?
It is wise to spend a lot of money on an untrialled scheme, which few government MPs can explain and which comes from a culture which has – more than any other in NZ – failed to solves it’s own problems?
Is it post-colonial guilt or MMP or both which sees the NZ government spending up to $1 billion on a scheme hatched in secret between the government and the Maori Party and with almost no public scrutiny?
February 16th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
OK, not my own original words, I wish they were, but MAN! what a description of Redbirther and co.
Libertarianism. A simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard.
Stolen from http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/
February 16th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
You’ve failed to distinguish between libertarian and authoritarian-conservative-with-issues.
February 16th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I believe that any taxonomic system that would ‘key off’ Redbaiter as a libertarian has some major flaws in the defined traits. Or if you prefer, wow, that’s a pretty crappy definition instantly invalidated by the classing of Redbaiter as libertarian.
I’d have to say this is one case where PZ should stick to the pharyngulans.
February 16th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Congrats on making the big 1000 comments Chthoniid
February 16th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
A New York Times article about attempts by the far right conservatives in charge of the Texas State Board of Education to manipulate curriculum development and textbook production for public schools.
How Christian Were the Founders?
February 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I wonder if anyone has actually calculated how much extra we pay for our power because of the infatuation with wind generation in NZ?
Other countries especially Spain seem to be in deep trouble over it, and it was fascinating to observe the negligible contribution of the billions invested in wind power during the UK’s recent cold snap, because there was no wind right when power demand was high.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/wind_energys_ghosts_1.html
February 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Rod, wind power works well in NZ. It is both windy and we have a system for storing the energy – hydro power stations.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Believe me, we’re not infatuated with wind power. We make very little use of it.
The economics of windpower in NZ are actually very good if we can site them in optimal locations. That’s very hard to do (e.g. the Te Waka farm has been repeatedly turned down in environment court). That means we end up having to build them too small in locations that aren’t optimal because of the RMA. It’s got nothing to do with the economics.
Windpower in NZ has several advantages compared to continental countries.
First, we’re an oceanic island. That makes wind currents far more constant and regular, as there aren’t adjacent landmasses and mountains in the way to create new convection currents or disrupt flows.
Second, NZ is arranged very nicely in the path of major trade winds coming across the Tasman. Wind in NZ is strong and predictable- features often absent in European or US continental windfarms.
Third, NZ is lacking in a lot of endangered flying birds. It would have to be a very depressed kiwi to make it up a wind-swept bare hill, climb up a turbine and jump into the blades. Other countries have more environmental spillovers into birdstrike.
Fourth, wind turbine technology has improved greatly in the last ten years with much higher yields of electricity, and an ability to operate in even stronger winds.
Fifth, the clean up costs of removing a wind farm are pretty benign. Clean up costs of a fossil fuel generator are quite high as you have a lot of heavy metals to deal with.
Anyway, the point is you can’t assume the economics of windfarms on continents and oceanic islands are the same. They’re not- oceanic islands are economically much more attractive.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
And in parliament today the Hon. Parekura Horomia announced that he speaks English “reasonably well”. Plenty of laughs but not one point of order.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Hey dime, Sony had a phone which hooked into the PS3 last year. Aino. There may be a better source of information on it, obviously it hasn’t been that successful yet but then Sony is classic for inventing proprietary solutions that would be good but only work if all of your gear is Sony, somewhat like Microsoft.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
I’m with LRO (wow) on Keys transparency and risk of rascist legislation.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/is_it_possible_for_a_practicin.html
Having read one of the five central hadiths and the koran, I find it amazing that this is only being discussed now, that two home grown Muslims have killed Americans.
The UK have a big problem that they won’t acknowledge with the Black Policemans Union and some of those MI5 sucked in after 911.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
James Sleep felt LeftRightOut when Klark flew away – so it had a orrible makeover – but the leftist slowness still remains. Boring Lairbour Lickspittle and commie cad.
Yawn must go hassle sonic and Dawkins. Must go a round with angry Trevor.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
…that two home grown Muslims have killed Americans …
Compared to how many home grown Christians who have killed Americans?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Oh look what the cat dragged in a Sleeper Rodent.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Hmmm, anyone got a dad4justice transaltor? Big Bruv, you out there so I can find out what the hell he means? Although the thought of d4j battling out with Dawkins … hysterical laughter
February 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Hi James how was pre school?
I would fry Dawkins in 30 seconds Mr Sleep Pill.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Question for Mr Dawkins on how things got the way they are? How come the learned ones can’t work out the full workings of a single human cell? Now Mr Dorkins don’t invent another load of crap you demented creep.James get out of toilet and you too Peter. Shall I ring Darwin on my cell and ask him MR DORKINS?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
OK d4j, hop over here and let’s see how good you are.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Yawn James I have been giving Dawkins shit for years. Grow up and learn after pre school you slow twot.
Watch I have this dot smacked – he will use the use of lowness and link redbaiter. YOU ARE SO DUMB. Sleep.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Who are james, sonic, Peter, Dorkins? The voices in your head?
OK, Mr Smartypants – how did things get the way they? How come most adults can have a conversation around topics while you and your love child, redbirther, can only insult and abuse? Are your 2 brain cells 3 too many?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I don’t know of any home grown afghanistani or Iraqi christians who have killed home grown Muslins LRO.
please enlighten me?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
where’s LUc when you need him?
That Tait woman is not giving up for Ob1′s birth certificate.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124973
February 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Shouldn’t “Yawn James I have been giving Dawkins shit for years” read “I have been a shit for years”?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Sorry Mike, I thought we were discussing the US. Your post, and your link, lead to that conclusion. Let’s stick with the US, as you originally raised, and not drag in side issues, OK?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Unreal James pre school has taught you where the Yanks live. Good boy said Peter.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
cha at 1:47 pm How Christian Were the Founders?
Took a while but that’s a fascinating read. While the “Christians” accuse the “left” of conspiring to subvert the education system they are busy trying to do it themselves.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
@dad4justice
We have, it’s all about chemistry. The eukaryote cell isn’t all that hard to examine. I don’t think people appreciate how advances in genetic technology in the last 30 years have yielded such an accurate map of how cells and genes behave.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Chithonild – oh really, pull the other one mate. Long way to go yet.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Right, so your strategy is to pose a question and ignore the 30 years of scientific discovery that answers it.
I don’t think you’ll bother Dawkins all that much.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Come on mate there is a huge lack of understanding of the molecular and cellular basis for maintenance of human embryonic stem cell pluripotency. Dangerous to trust these fools pushing this sinister agenda.Surely you agree?
February 16th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Dawkins just bans me like Russell Brown, the Standard deranged ones and Retard Angry Mallard. I laugh at the dumb fucks. NO ANSWER TO THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.
WONDER how many murders on lickspittle news tonite? Pipa will be sad tomoro. Grab a Mau burger – FFS!
Anybody answer my question?
GOD SAVE NEW ZEALAND.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Actually I think that the use of the pluripotency of human embryonic stem cells as the compelling case of our lack of understanding on human cells is:
(a) A pretty desperate gambit given the preponderance of other cells we have improved our understanding on; and
(b) a claim that is at odds with the research on pluripotency in the last 3-4 years.
When we get down to it, life at the cellular level is just biochemical reactions.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Hold there Chthonild, agree on “biochemical reactions,” chemistry over ( I just farted) now add the emotional element of human nature to the mix and little is known, because if it was sorted – then half the Western World wouldn’t be on happy pills.
Checkmate Dawkins.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Umm, that would be a non sequitur. Emotions are biochemical reactions that can be modified by, well, chemicals.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Do you believe you have a Soul Chthonild? If so, what is the chemical name? Chemical Bros?
Queen 4 check Dorkins.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
For about 4 seconds, dad4justice was lucid, but then he reverts to type.
So, dad4j, answer me this, if youi can-
1. What is the soul?
2. Is it present at conception?
3. If not, then when does it enter – the embryo, the baby, the youth, the man?
4. What is its purpose?
5. If my soul dies, will I die?
February 16th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
I don’t have a soul. Life is a gamble, sometimes cruel and capracious, sometimes wonderful and exciting. That’s all.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Only a souless person could blog with a name like LeftRightOut.
Get a photo of that Soulbird mate.
Keep up play school, hopefully you learn Soul Music James before you fall asleep.
Go away and change your nappies.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
D4J sounds like he requires serious medication. Either that or he is drunk in charge of a keyboard.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
oh no here is the drunk card.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
1. What is the soul?
2. Is it present at conception?
3. If not, then when does it enter – the embryo, the baby, the youth, the man?
4. What is its purpose?
5. If my soul dies, will I die?
For Gods/G-ds/Gaias shut your mouth fool do you really want to awaken the Christians.
Just when this thread was starting to get interesting just look what you have done!!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Going to self-destruct Dad? Like joe did the other night?
Vent your spleen but don’t get personal.
Illegitimi non carborundum
February 16th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
ffs now the elite have arrived
the bloody god botherers
February 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I don’t “self -destruct” Steve, as I live in a the real world away from the silly computer and pathetic bloggers.
Brendan Dugan is rather silent. Haha.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
I note that Gen Debate has descended to its usual high standard of garbage; again.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
so, d4j, 5 simple questions that you cannot even attempt to answer. Maybe ask your kids (if you have any) to help you.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
But Kris (tmas) is coming. So repent while ye may ye heathens!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
“I note that Gen Debate has descended to its usual high standard of garbage; again.”
Where there’s muck there’s brass lad!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Is this blog a Band of Mothers?
Go do the washing up deluded Viking.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Leftrightout and others are winding you up.
Use the RIP thing like Kiwibloggers did with the phool.
They dig and dig, ignore them
February 16th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Steve this soldier does not get any “winding up” chills. Been in the middle of real fire fight action have ya? I have,so don’t tell me about taking cowardly flack mate. There insane words make me feel sorry fot them.
RIP the souless creeps.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
chur chur dad.
(firefight? When the BBQ flamed up?)
February 16th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
27th intake.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Is that on the Rakaia?
February 16th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Chthoniid 5:59 pm,
I just love the authority of the above statement – even though it rings of more a statement of faith.
Emotions are a product of the soul. Just as are thoughts, conscience, sin – in other words the mind (independent of the brain).
If all that is required for ‘emotions’ is a bunch of biochemical reactions, then perhaps you can tell me how my dinner is ‘feeling’ about now as it’s being cooked on the hob.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Dinner probably not feeling very good, if it still has feelings.
Any evidence at all of a soul? Or is it just not science?
February 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Petey has sole fillets as Dawkins and Darwin are DD Bullshitters and Helen Klark does the bad apple, while Hillary drops another handful of psych pills.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Le sigh. Take it to the religion thread, brainsleftout. No one cares.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
And some people wonder why thinking Kiwis are against Muslim immigration and settlement within New Zealand.
Notice that the Muslims were “Australian-born or naturalized citizens with Muslim immigrant backgrounds”. It’s not a matter of if, but when will NZ have its first act of terrorism committed by naturalised or NZ born Muslims.
Wake up sleepers, else you’ll be dead in your beds.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Is LeftRightOUT a TV spunk stalker?
The Koran is a book of hate. Lock and load peter.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Kris, the only terrorist attack on NZ soil was committed by Christians. Any reason why the next one won’t be?
“…had also discussed killing former Prime Minister John Howard.” And very few would have mourned his passing.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Bloody hell guys!!
I spend the day away from here earning a crust and return to find that you have let D4J out of his kennel.
I have told you a thousand times that he needs careful handling.
Please do as you are told next time you want to play with him.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
“The Koran is a book of hate. ”
As is “The Holy Bible”, something most religious texts have in common.
Islam – the religion of peace. Yeah, right.
Christianity – the religion of love. Yeah, right.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Brendan Dugan could do a song for us? That would be nice.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Dad is hosting Helens 60th party? not
February 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Yes I have been invited to make sure Peter has no problems in the toilet area Steve.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Whoa!
Demerits on their way me thinks!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
How can you call the French Christians LRO? I mean shit they eat snails for G-ds sake!!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Oh look Brendan Dugan is playing the demerit song. What a laugh.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
@david (1225) Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:21 pm edit
Thanks.
My intention tonight is to mess up with the biochemical signals in my brain via a liberal ingestion of alcohol, prompted by a friend and colleague who died abruptly on Sunday due to cerebral malaria.
I fear I will be entirely too maudlin, or depressing to be around tonight, so will bid you all good night.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Peter’s party is in Te Atatu or Waiheke, Helen’s is where you least expect it
February 16th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
I know where Helen’s party is. No surprises there mate.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
No sign of any soul here tonight.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Hmmm – time to visit ye old RIP and add the latest taunting troll to the list – or is there some chance that LRO will actually put forward, you know, arguments?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
LeftRightOut 7:32 pm,
Care to elucidate?
Or are you implying the Rainbow Warrior as per Johnboy’s suggestion?
If so, any proof the agents, or those that sent them were Christians, and were, in fact, following ‘biblical instruction’ (from the New Testament, please)?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Chthoniid 7:46 pm,
My sympathies for the loss of your friend and colleague.
I will try to ease your “biochemical signals” (emotions) the only way I know apart from my above expression of sympathy – I’ll pray for you that you might know God’s peace at this time, and that He will speak to you through your grief. He really does love His creatures, you know.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
“He really does love His creatures, you know.”
Does that apply to all life on earth, or just humans?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
“Is this blog a Band of Mothers?
Go do the washing up deluded Viking.”
Ya have to laugh at that
Have to say, this mess of a thread caused a few chuckles tonight, it is either that some funny comments were written or I have consumed to much cider!
February 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
He just doesn’t like Moslems. Or does he, only you don’t like Moslems? You always sound pretty envious of them and the way they run their religion.
Maybe he likes Moslems more, because they believe so much in him they even are willing to die for him. That should impress him.
Worked in the old days.
I don’t know, I get confused with all this religious bullshit, who loves who and who doesn’t.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Whom.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:25 am
See how confused I get!
February 17th, 2010 at 2:25 am
What pisses me off the most about Muslims/Islamics is they are all hiding this one little secret which is called let’s take over the world, kill everyone and get revenge.
I mean come on, innocent people get slaughtered by MUSLIMS and the other Billion of them just look away and whistle and go, hey, not our faction, and point and say, they went that a way!
OK, so if a small extremist faction of Christians start murdering innocent people like homocidal suicidal maniacs, at least the Christians will go, hey, not only is that not us, not our beliefs, but we highly criticize their actions.
You see, the last part is important.
There is no criticism, funny that.
WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE PEOPLE WANT TO MURDER YOU, REVENGE YOU, THEY HAVE BEEN PLANNING YOUR MASS MURDER FOR YEARS!!
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
Get off of your apathetic asses and do something.
How could France react first?
Sad.
It’s not easy to say I told you so after you are and your family are dead with their throats cut.
That is why we have a thing called instincts.
Use them.
No one reall used them before World Wat Two, remember?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Hmm, peaceful Christians.
You mean ones like Christopher Colombus, dedicated slave trader and slaughterer of indigenous populations wherever he went (those pesky buggers had to be slaughtered to be taught how to be civilised!).
Then you have Christians like Harry Truman, the only man to have used nuclear weapons outside of tests, slaughtering hundreds of thousands.
Stalin, the atheist, authorised the killing 30 million of this own people, but he helped us win the war, so that was OK by us Christians.
Genghis Khan and his mongols, in Mesopotamia alone killed 7,000,000, nearly all Muslims. Who survived? Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. The collaborators.
European (ie Christian) civil wars during the last two thousand years, how many dead? A few hundred million?
And in the 1990s, the world watched for a long time as a campaign of genocide raged against Bosnian Muslims (originally a Christian sect, perhaps the forerunner of Protestantism, pacifists and puritans) by the Serbian Christians. I have read accounts of women being raped 150 times in a few weeks. Of babies impaled on stakes, or thrown into ravines. Of whole villages of peaceful Muslims murdered in concentration camps. By Christians. A couple of decades ago.
And let’s not forget the million or so Iraqis killed by, yes, Christian G W Bush.
But Muslims killed 3000 Americans and a few hundred of us white people around the world, and they are the bad buggers!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Hmm, peaceful GD. Now probably not.
Surely somewhere on the internet there is a tally up of how many people each religion has killed. Maybe broken down by faction/sect/denomination within each religion. Then we would know accurately who to abuse the most.
Actually I’m not to worried by the Mongols, they don’t seem to be much of a threat at the moment. Vlad the Impaler doesn’t seem to be threatening right now either.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am
There’s no question that the biggest mass murderers have always been secular progressives. 100 million to their name at least.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Redbirther, care to cite a source for that? No doubt you plucked the figure from the same place you keep plucking your other lies.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:24 am
“Redbirther, care to cite a source for that?”
Sources are plentiful. That you are apparently ignorant of them is a reason that should help you accept the fact that your posts here are the work of an empty headed moron.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
It’s meaningless grouping a wide range of people under one “secular progressives” label, just as pointless as grouping others into “god believing killers”. Some have used a god or gods as an excuse, some have conveniently ignored their supposed faith, and some just do it using other excuses.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Luc hansen, you forgot el-nino, the boxing day tsunami, and hurricane Katrina, ALL DONE BY BLOODY CHRISTIANS!!!
Not to mention the Ozone hole, un-insulated homes, and herpes!!!!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am
To Christians isn’t God ultimately responsible for every violent death? Or everyone that sins (which is everyone) is responsible for all crap that happens? Is God also responsible for pointless arguments?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am
“Redbirther, care to cite a source for that? No doubt you plucked the figure from the same place you keep plucking your other lies.”
People that used ideology to supposedly progress the human race killed more people in one century than Christianity did in 2000 years.
Political and social ideology is more destructive than religion.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Shunda, odd how the defenders of religion always say “Christianity didn’t kill that many” when to get a true picture, one needs to tally up all the deaths in the name of all religions, not just one. And that was the basis of my Q to redbirther as well, does he count all religuious deaths, or if people weren’t killed by christians then religion wasn’t the cause?
religion is the single most destructive force in humanity.
And, in case you’ve forgotten, there are oodles of christians who credit god with all manner of natural disasters.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:48 am
“religion is the single most destructive force in humanity.”
No it isn’t.
Your blinkered view of history just does not wash.
There is no evidence what so ever that religion is more destructive than any other manifestation of human thought.
There is however massive evidence for the extremely destructive forces of secular political and social ideology, these are the most destructive influences humans have endured in our entire existence.
Your personal dislike of religion changes nothing.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Hmm, I’m not sure you understand what secularism means.
Any violent ideology- a view that it is more important than individual life and liberty- that readily classes people as enemies of that ideology (heretics, pagans, capitalists, jews, infidels) etc is destructive when twinned with political power and killing tools. And the sad fact of Christianity is that it has too often, been violent and reactionary.
Secularism is a humanist ideal, not a destructive.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:14 am
“Secularism is a humanist ideal, not a destructive.”
So the search for a “final solution” to religion is not going to be potentially destructive?
There is nothing new under the sun, just people that think they are too smart to fall into the same old traps, but they always do.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Could you elaborate, I have no idea where you are going with that point about ‘final solution’?
I’d certainly be disappointed if you are making the comparison I think you are.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am
George Holyoake, the guy that first came up with the term “secularism” said :
“Secularism is not an argument against Christianity, it is one independent of it. It does not question the pretensions of Christianity; it advances others. Secularism does not say there is no light or guidance elsewhere, but maintains that there is light and guidance in secular truth, whose conditions and sanctions exist independently, and act forever.”
I am ok with this, in fact I believe it to be a necessary position of government and the doctrine of Christian free will.
What I am not ok with is secular humanists like Dawkins and friends being unhappy to just leave it there, they feel the need to go on a crusade against religion, specifically Christianity, and are hell bent on pinning all the worlds ills on religion.
They are pursuing a final solution for much the same reasons as others have pursued final solutions. The difference is they are so blinded by their own glory and perceived brilliance that they can’t see it.
But their followers will.