Trevor watch

February 15th, 2010 at 10:03 am by David Farrar

Barnsley at Gotcha is worried about the theme of a cartoon blogged by Trevor at , but I’m more interested in the increasing shrillness of the posts.

First he basically called John Key a racist because John criticised Hone Harawira, now he calls Anne Tolley a liar because she claimed to fully understand the national standards system, and Trevor proclaimed that no living person can possibly fully understand the system, so she must be a liar. Sounds bizarre, but this is true. I’ll take you through it slowly.

Trevor asked in Parliament:

Hon : Going back to the primary answer, is she in the group of 11.9 percent who claim that they fully understand her system or in the 88 percent who acknowledge that they do not?

This was in relation to a Herald poll that found 88% o people did not fully understand national standards. Now Trevor was obviously trying to get Tolley to say she did not understand her own national standards system. Anne tried to avoid a direct answer to the equivalent of a “Have you stopped beating your wife” type question but Lockwood showed why he is such a fair Speaker and insisted Anne give a direct answer,which was:

Hon ANNE TOLLEY: I understand perfectly well what the national standards are …

Trevor then blogs:

… everyone that has half a brain knows that  no one can fully understand a system that vital components of, including what will be an expensive and time consuming moderation system,  have not been designed yet.

So, once again, Tolley is a liar …

So think carefully about Trevor’s logic here. He is saying that no one at all in the entire world can claim to understand the national standards system, and that anyone claiming to is a liar.

It is the sort of verbal semantics you expect from a ten year old, not a former Minister of Education. In Trevor’s world Anne has to either say I don’t understand the National Standards system, or she is a liar. This is why I call it a “Have you stopped beating your wife” question – there is no good answer.

By itself I would not blink – we all know Mallard hates Tolley and his idea of Opposition is to abuse and denigrate her. But when you look at the nonsense over calling Key a racist because Key criticised Hone Harawira, well I think there is a pattern of increasing shrillness or worse.

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40 Responses to “Trevor watch”

  1. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Maybe his ex is tightening the screws over the property settlement and its given him a snitch on all women. :)

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  2. david (2,571 comments) says:

    It looks like Trevor is thinking with his little head instead of his big one.

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  3. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Mallard must have slept in this morning. There are people challenging him and other lefties on Red Alert – the Key Shares post – and he hasn’t banned them yet.

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  4. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    I think Trevor has moved out of the area where hes fair game and into the “we should really get him some help” region.

    It is unworthy to mock the alficted.

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  5. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    jesus.

    so trev just called 12% of the population liars?

    do the teachers not understand the standards? if not, maybe they got it wrong and they will infact come to like them :)

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Going back to the primary answer, is she in the group of 11.9 percent who claim that they fully understand her system or in the 88 percent who acknowledge that they do not?

    I assume these kinds of questions are commonplace in Parliament, but I don’t like it.

    Is Mallard in the group of 11.9% who acknowledge the understand her system or in the 88% who claim that they do not?

    Is it fairly par for the course that these kinds of weighted questions are asked in Parliament? Is it necessary?

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  7. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    Maybe its part of Goff and Labours wider tactic of flailing wildly in the hope of landing a hit… is Helen still in charge of strategy then?

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  8. wreck1080 (3,866 comments) says:

    Is this the same Trevor who in 2005 promised that by 2008 no new entrants class would have more than 15 pupils?

    Trevor should reflect on his own woeful record ….

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  9. themono (132 comments) says:

    Now I don’t understand. It doesn’t seem like Trevor said that at all – and the quote you yourself gave seems to clearly show he didn’t say that.

    You said “Trevor proclaimed that no living person can possibly fully understand a policy”. What he actually said, according to your own post, was”no one can fully understand a system that vital components of, including what will be an expensive and time consuming moderation system, have not been designed yet.”

    So you say he said that noone can fully understand a policy, then give a quote that shows he said noone can fully understand a policy that hasn’t been fully designed yet.

    Can someone explain what’s going on here?

    [DPF: I should have said system instead of policy. I will correct. It does not change the post that Trevor was asking a "Have you stopped beating your wife" question"]

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  10. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    No living person can possibly fully understand the workings of the Mallard mind themono.

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  11. themono (132 comments) says:

    [DPF: I should have said system instead of policy. I will correct. It does not change the post that Trevor was asking a "Have you stopped beating your wife" question"]

    Thanks for the reply, David.

    But I still don’t think he says that. It seems like he is saying you can’t possibly claim to fully understand something that hasn’t been written yet, which is very different to saying you can’t possibly claim to fully understand any policy.

    I think he’s saying if you haven’t written it, how can you claim to understand it?

    [DPF: One can understand a system, without knowing every aspect of detail.]

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  12. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    But I still don’t think he says that. It seems like he is saying you can’t possibly claim to fully understand something that hasn’t been written yet, which is very different to saying you can’t possibly claim to fully understand any policy.

    I think he’s saying if you haven’t written it, how can you claim to understand it?

    Then you think he’s saying that the poll to which he referred was one determining how many New Zealanders believe they fully understand something that hasn’t been written yet?

    He’s the one who introduced the poll to his question. That frames what he means by “understanding” in his question.

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  13. mpledger (429 comments) says:

    But how can you fully understand a system when it hasn’t been designed?

    Usually you inform yourself with evidence from other countries that have used a similar system, especially when they have evaluated it e.g. England, but all such information is being ignored.

    There is even evidence about why it’s such a bad thing from our own country. The government entity,TEC, has a main role to grade academics in order to awaed money but it’s blown out into a costly beuracratic nightmare. In the end all it does is award money at higher rates to universities with medical schools and with a high proportion of older men who work full time. It would be simpler to just award on that basis rather than make every academic and university go through this costly process (time wasteage and the IT requirements).

    Similary, once moderation is introduced into school standards it’s going to blow up into another costly, beuracratic nightmare. The most likely thing is that they’ll find that achievement is linked (at the school level) outstandingly well to social economic status, ethnicity and gender. Rather than wasting money on standards testing they should just give the money to the school based on those things.

    The stupid thing is that teacher’s will most likely be moderating other teachers (where else would the workforce come from?). If you can’t trust teachers enough so that their work needs moderating then how can you trust them to moderate each other?

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  14. RainbowGlobalWarming (295 comments) says:

    Trevor is a bully and should really have been ejected from the Labour party and parliament after is assault of Henare on parliament ground.

    The ‘system’ is not defined as mpledger describes however he then presupposes what that system will be and calls that bad.

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  15. themono (132 comments) says:

    “[DPF: One can understand a system, without knowing every aspect of detail.]”

    You’re right, however I think that’s the distinction Trevor is making with the word “fully”. While you certainly can understand, I don’t think you can claim to “fully” understand a system until you do have a handle on the details.

    “Then you think he’s saying that the poll to which he referred was one determining how many New Zealanders believe they fully understand something that hasn’t been written yet?

    He’s the one who introduced the poll to his question. That frames what he means by “understanding” in his question.”

    To be fair, that is what the poll asked. I don’t think most people would have read it that way, but that doesn’t change that that is what it asked. It’s a fair point you make though.

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  16. Crusader (302 comments) says:

    Mallard in his own words has clearly told us that he is one of those “with half a brain”. By my observations, I think that would be a fair estimate of his intellect.

    BTW – what does he think of teachers – do they not understand national standards (ignorant of their own area of expertise) or are they liars too?

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  17. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    To be fair, that is what the poll asked. I don’t think most people would have read it that way, but that doesn’t change that that is what it asked. It’s a fair point you make though.

    I think it was probably intended the way most people read it.

    If a poll finds that 63% of New Zealanders have flown overseas in the last year, it’d be a bit silly to say, “Hah, 63% of New Zealanders apparently don’t realise that humans can’t fly.”

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  18. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Come on, RainbowGlobalWarming, the only good thing Tiger has done in his entire 24 years in Parliament is to give Sideshow Henare a slapping!

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  19. Michael (903 comments) says:

    National should encourage every voter to follow Red Alert daily. While it does make some good points about Govt Policy, it never presents an alternative. Labour will be in opposition until they can be an alternate to the existing government, waiting for National to cock everything up is not exactly a winning strategy from Phil Goff.

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  20. tvb (4,324 comments) says:

    Maybe the penny has dropped with Mallard that given his age and given Labour’s position in the polls that Mallard will NEVER be a Minister again. So faced with this he decides to become a protester and make a whole lot of meaningless noises. Of course he is bitter towards John Key who is much smarter politician than Mallards realised. But Mallard still thinks that being nasty towards the Prime Minister is the best way to counter the PM’s easy going nature.

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  21. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Trevor is a nasty piece of work ,a poor ad for brand Labour and as such is tactically good for National.

    Hey Trev ,keep up the good work.

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  22. J Mex (188 comments) says:

    It’s such a pointless and pedantic argument.

    Poll rugby loving New Zealander’s if they understand the rules of rugby and most of them will say yes. Yet almost none of them will understand every rule in the book and especially those that are under review. Under Trevor’s argument nearly every person claiming to understand the rules of rugby would a liar.

    Pointless.

    [DPF: Very good analogy]

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  23. Fisiani (1,025 comments) says:

    Trevor is a genius in his own imagination. He egotistically takes a pride in his postings and relishes his cleverness. He is majorly irritated by people who point out the moat in his eye. Narcissism 101 methinks.

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  24. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard on taste and integrity is like getting couples counselling from Clayton Weatherston. Don’t know why anyone is giving this sewer-rat the oxygen of attention.

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  25. Richard Hurst (834 comments) says:

    Having Trev ‘affair’ Mallard in the House in opposition is much better than the alternative: Trev back in teaching. Just think of the damage that foul-mouth nutcase would do to those young minds….shudder.

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  26. Thomas the Unbeliever (141 comments) says:

    Fisiani, methinks you mean “mote” (Matthew 7:3). It’s just a small thing!!

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  27. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    Again are we at all surprised by Mallards latest outburst of bullshit? No didnt think so…..

    Trevor, go and stick your head into the mud, like normal you are a waste of space…… You have small mans disease, the funny thing is, you are not a small man…

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  28. dad4justice (8,062 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard should be locked up in a mental hospital asap.

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  29. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    For sure he should…

    Basically, Mallard is just a horrible unpleasant human being, must be terrible waking up in his shoes, knowing daily that he is a horrible human…..

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  30. Komata (1,161 comments) says:

    But Whafe, He (Trevor Mallard) actually DOESN’T believe that he is a horrible human, and that is the problem!!

    He is evidently fully and totally convinced that HE is perfect and that all the other ‘prols are ‘horrible humans’ – even those who are not part of the ‘In’ crowd (ie the ‘Masters’) in Labour, and that the further you are politically from the ‘In’ crowd the more horrible a human you are.

    What this last little opinion seems to mean is that, by the time you are into ACT territory (and supposedly the most extreme right-winger possible), you are, as a human, beneath contempt and must be treated accordingly. He also seems to apply the same ‘scale of conntempt’ to those with wealth’ conveniently overlooking his own actual wealth, but of course he has ‘earned’ it so it is his by ‘right’.

    Sad really.

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  31. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    Very true Komata…..

    It gets to me how much distain I have for some of these sniveling Labour peeps, they frustrate me hugely (;) LOL in case you hadnt noticed)…..

    They talk about shit that went down when they were in government like they had no part in it, the silly fuckers

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  32. Trevor Mallard (247 comments) says:

    Looking at most of the stuff above reminds me why we have a strict moderation policy at Red Alert, and why since I started using Facebook in November I hardly ever bother with right wing blogs.

    DPF the Herald question was “fully understand”, 11.9% said they did. I asked Tolley if she was in that group. I’ve made in clear I’m not, and wouldn’t ever claim to be when so much of the policy detail – eg moderation, is yet to be developed.

    Using the rugby analogy, I’m pretty sure I’ve played more, and in recent years watched more rugby than 90% of those who use this site, but I would never claim that I “fully” understood the rules. To do so would be to deliberately tell an untruth – or to lie. Watching two Super 14 matches on TV over the weekend I got the impression that the refereees didn’t “fully” understand the rules either. Certainly their understanding was not the same as each other.

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  33. dad4justice (8,062 comments) says:

    What position in rugby were you Mallard or were you the left upright post?
    What a disgraceful headbanger you are!

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  34. burt (8,199 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard

    FFS, what sort of pussy back down is that. Have you lost your mojo? Hunt DPF down and give the little bastard a good punch in the face. Might pay to do it in parliament, not sure how well it will go down while you are in opposition, hell mate you might have normal workplace rules applied – but hey the real Trevor would think that through so wtf, just slug him.

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  35. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Hi Trev, I think you’re telling porkies,.
    I think you read Kiwi blog far more than Facebook, you are drawn to it, you can’t resist it can you, it draws you in like a moth to a DPF shaped out door light bulb.

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  36. Richard Hurst (834 comments) says:

    “…and why since I started using Facebook in November I hardly ever bother with right wing blogs.”

    And yet here you are Trev bothering a right wing blog. What a sad case you are.

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  37. burt (8,199 comments) says:

    Facebook has pretty pictures – of course Trevor is drawn to it over this blog.

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  38. Steve (4,544 comments) says:

    Nice to see you have let your BOT out of jail Trev.
    Red Blert could do with some company huh?

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  39. david (2,571 comments) says:

    Trevor, that was really a pretty pathetic attempt at trying to claim some sort of moral high ground as a defence of a semantically driven criticism of another Parliamentarian. You just don’t do “clever-clogs” like Michael Cullen used to and it shows in a most painful way.

    Really unless you and the other dinosaurs are cleaned out, the Labour shadow front-bench will suffer in an intellectual vacuum – perhaps Adolf Fiinkensein’s post at No Minister about 40 years in the wilderness post might be closer than we give him credit for.

    Time to get some intellectual muscle into the party, bring on Shearer, Jones, et al

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  40. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    “Looking at most of the people above who don’t like me and openly say so, in the childish and infantile manner that is a mere shadow of my righteous and worthy self in parliament, reminds me of why I censor and oppress free speech on my communist wankfest and have taken to using facebook to keep the conversation amongst other deluded narcissists.

    I openly admit to repeating a ridiculous question, scraped out of rag fit for nothing more than shit paper, in order to try and humiliate my opposition because I am bereft of ideas and innovative thought. Anyway, it is far preferable to shoot down any measure of progress and keep the masses dumb and under control because dickheads like me know so much better anyway.

    I watch lots of rugby but know fuck all about it, although I did think it would be nice to have a stadium on the waterfront so that Auckland can be more like Wellington. I’ve always been to fat and preoccupied with skirt to actually get involved but cos I watch so much I would have been a fuckin ace player, probably better than that McCaw fellow to be honest. And I bet I get more roots than him too.

    But I don’t like you mean right wing cunts anyway”

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