Whale to Jail?
February 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm by David FarrarThe SST reports:
Controversial blogger Cameron Slater is again under police investigation, this time for identifying on his website a primary school teacher accused of sex crimes against children.
And Slater last night stepped up his name suppression campaign, telling the Sunday Star-Times he was set to post the names, phone numbers and addresses of judges who award name suppression without “good reason”.
Slater is already facing five charges of breaching name suppression orders, after he published on his website the names of several high-profile New Zealanders before the courts, but whose identities were suppressed.
Justice Minister Simon Power said Slater’s threats to expose the personal details of judges on his website were “probably not helpful”.
But Slater said our officers of the court were making “improper” decisions and he wanted to take a stand.
“These judges are the people perpetrating the expansion of the original suppression laws beyond what was envisaged by parliament,” Slater said. “They are trying to rewrite the law by judicial meddling.”
I’ve often joked with Whale that he will beat me in the ratings, even if he has to do it from D Block!
He seems to be well on the way to both aspects 
In the Alexa ratings, Gotcha is ranked 124th most visited site by NZers. The previous weeks it was 118th and 112th. Kiwiblog is 122nd, and previously 121st and 117th, so in the weeks ending 17 January and 24 January, Gotcha was ahead of Kiwiblog in the Alexa rankings for New Zealanders.
As for making D Block, I’d say declaring war on Judges will help achieve that goal!
Tags: Cameron Slater, contempt of court, name suppression, Whale Oil
February 7th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
By no means are our judges infallible. But I would rather them decide on matters of law than Cameron Slater!
He’s made a few cases interesting lately, but really he needs to stop bludging off insurance and get a job.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Who the hell is Cameron Slater or any other private citizen to decide that their personal opinon has more value than out legal system. I wouldn’t wear it from John Minto and I’m not wearing it from Slater.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
tristanb, your concern for the insurance company is touching, sweet even.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Well said, Murray.
It’s not as if he’s trying to abolish slavery or that there aren’t legitimate ways to advance this issue. Infact the whole system is currently under review. I suspect that Cameron Slater is thinking more about his website than the inequities of name suppression.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
I certainly won’t be unhappy if the idiot ends up in jail.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
He has named the kiddy pics professional now too!
It does seem that wealth, fame, status and profession do get you name suppression so good on Cam for this fight.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
What is a little odd is that stuff.co carried and article about the newest name suppression this morning but that has now dropped out of site [and sight]. Nearest headline is WAR OF WORDS AFTER WHALING INCIDENT but that ain’t it.
Vote:This week, as he did last week, Slater gives a name but it requires a ‘context’. like reference from this blog, so just where does culpability occur? – Ironically the Court, in charging him, is now part of that on-going context.
February 7th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Proud to have been of assistance to Whale, hope I helped give him the idea.
Time those who make the decisions get to now what it is like in the real world.
Go the Whale.
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Johnboy · 23 hours ago
I suggest.
Interesting Legal Names and Adresses: Grant Fraser.————–
http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/02/06/what-is-this-crap/#idc-container
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Judges’ sentencing records should be published so we know where the biases lie, who’s tough, who’s soft and who the activists are.
I was in two Family Court hearings. My legal friends told me that I’d lose the first and win the second, as the two judges favoured women and men respectively.
And that’s exactly how it turned out.
Good luck to Whale for his courage.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
“Interesting Legal Names and Adresses:”
yep – that’s the context I alluded to.
Vote:So is Johnboy part of it too
[Shit - am I?]
February 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Think of the slammer as a step on the road to Parliament, Whale, if you could bear to sit in the House.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Or, of course, Whale, you could study law on the taxpayer while inside the slammer, Whale.
Vote:Then you could think of it as the first step on the way to the Bench.
February 7th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
We may yet get to share a container Yvette. Dont worry you will be safe I prefer sheep.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Johnboy, if you knew how old I am, you would understand why you prefer sheep
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
If you are less than 60 and look good in wool I may be tempted as long as the prison diet includes Viagra.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
If you are less than 60 . . . [sigh]
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
In a little black, low cut, woollen number with the lights low in Judiths container (to reduce carbon footprint) and a double dose of viagra and not having had a lamb chop in nigh on thirty years? OK under 80.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Johnboy – As well having contributed to the Whaling context, which helps make sense of his otherwise irrational posting of random names, hence maybe our partial culpability, isn’t our exchanges re the container, little black low-cut number and stimulants, going to earn us DPF demerit points for being off-thread, or whatever it is called?
[DPF: Anything that amuses me so much can never be off topic
]
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
You wear the little black woollen number and I’ll worry about pulling the thread.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Proud to have been of assistance to Whale, hope I helped give him the idea.
I’m guessing you’re not seeing the irony of bragging about your brave name-and-shame campaign from behind a pseudonym you got from a TV show.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Johnboy, I am starting to wonder if you are not indeed a wolf in sheep’s clothing – I can understand why you may not be using your real name. And I can remember the tv show.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I also congratulate Whale Oil on trying to lift the secrecy and suppression that perverts our Justice system and shelters the worst criminals in our society, many freed on bail to continue to ravage fresh victims.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I proud of my consistant opposition to the deliberate violation of court orders regardless of whose end of the poltical prectrum they come from.
The name is the one my parents gave me.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
If’n you bastards don’t stop picking on me I’ma gonna get my Pah John and my Granpah Zeb to come and deal to youse all.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Good-night, Olivia . . . dang, where did I put that Father’s recipe . . . good-night, Zeb . . . Good-night, Corabeth – ain’t it time you went home to Ike? . . . good-night, Mary Ellen . . .
Vote:GOOD-NIGHT, JOHNBOY!
February 7th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Johnboy 2:43 pm,
And Johnboy has ‘experience’ on his side, too. Well, at least two months worth, anyway; having lost his (demerit) virginity at that time. Sadly, his ‘first time’ was courtesy of DPF. They always say that your ‘first time’ is quite a BIG (50 demerits), and memorable occassion. You must be still healing up after that, eh Johnboy?
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
So you are after Associate chair in Proctology and Gynacology as well Kris.
The avarice of you Morys knows no bounds.
Sigh.
I’ll have a word with Neville after he gets that awful brown stuff off his nose.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Johnboy 4:14 pm,
Always pays to make hay while the sun shines, Johnboy (being of a farming background you’ll appreciate that).
As you said, you’re my HR man – all advice is welcome.
Enough of this jocularity, I have to put on my pious face – I’m off to church shortly – “thanks for the fish”.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Judges powers a carefully constrained by having decision making in public, having reasons for decisions and having fairly open rights of appeal. And then along comes Slater with his threat to the security of Judges with his decision to publish the names addresses and phone numbers if HE does not like what a Judge has decided. Slater is an absolute disgrace.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
It would be interesting to know how many name suppressions have been given in total in comparison those five or so Whaleoil has been connected to.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
This is getting tiring.
Slater has broken the law on multiple occasions, albeit a law that has been interpreted so poorly to protect high profile citizens, that the status quo is unacceptable.
However to think he has some kind of moral right to name judges and give out their addresses is moronic and clearly a further attempt for 10 seconds in the fame spotlight.
Apart from putting Judge’s and their families in potential danger, who does he think he is playing god and making himself the sole arbiter of what is right and wrong in our legal system?
Cameron, you were doing a great job, but it seems to this outsider that you have let ego get in the way
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Everybody is so concerned about the Whale and the Judge— This should be about the person with the name supression.
Now you don’t have to be a genius to figure out that he’s probably a doctor… …I believe also this person is now suspended from his profession…. but prior to his arrest he was offending with these images……and probably practicing……
now we know he is a watcher.. but is he a toucher.?……the point is unless his name is out there patients won’t know if his behaviour has been unprofessional….this happens all the time with doctors getting little too enthusiastic with the poking and prodding……… dealing with a ” professional” person can be very intimidating for some people and they are very uncomfortable about coming forward …anyway….with this suppression it completely stymies anymore complaints.
The Judge isn’t protecting his wife either. the medical profession is closer and more incestuious than the legal fraternity….all the collegues and receptionists know… so the patients have the right to know most of all.. especially if he is a doctor
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Well said nickb
This latest crusade has all the hallmarks of a “look at me, look at me” campaign.
Originally I supported Cameron, now IMHO he has gone to far, it has become less about doing the right thing and more about feeding his ego.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
From 1.53pm onwards was most enlightening, I hope everyone enjoyed it, I certainly did!
Go Whaleoil. Whether you get in the shit or not, your actions are worth persuing.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Exactly.
Fully supportive initially. But then the question arises of where the line is drawn. Of course someone in the Justice Department needs to get this fixed, and suppression definitely needs tightening.
However disagreeing with a law is not an excuse to break it as you please, and appoint yourself the watchdog of the entire suppression process.
Vote:Also it would seem to me that by printing addresses of judge’s, he must be breaking some kind of privacy law, or a privacy tort.
February 7th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
It is well past time that Slater was charged with contempt so the Courts can use the full weight of their coercive powers to bring Slater’s desperate quest for publicity to an end. it is clear that Slater has no concern for ‘the greater good’ he just wants his blog ratings lifted, especially when you consider he has also outed a number of vulnerable victims. victims Respect for the rule of law is paramount, and if Slater wants the law changed he should campaign legally to get it.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Struggling to see what is funny about a citizen threatening (and that is what it is) the judiciary because he 1. does not agree with the law (parliament’s job) and 2. does not agree with how it is implemented.
I might be doing him a disservice but I wonder whether he disagrees with how it is implemented based on full information (or at least the information before the judge) or just goes on media reports?
Campaign for change, fine. But once people think they are above the law things get messy. I seem to recall Whale was less than impressed about one previous H Clark who, from time to time, acted as if she was above the law.
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
“It is well past time that Slater was charged with contempt so the Courts can use the full weight of their coercive powers to bring Slater’s desperate quest for publicity to an end”
Do have the same view about Hone’s nephews who are illegally occupying private land?
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Pauleastbay, 5:18pm
“the point is unless his name is out there patients won’t know if his behaviour has been unprofessional”
I agree entirely, but as it is with most “white collar” crime: it is very difficult to argue successfully against name suppression, it often seems that professionals can hide behind their degrees and other academic credentials in a bid to reduce the ultimate sentence/prosecution for wrong-doing.
One law for all? I think not, we’re all made equal under the law? Yeah, right and I’m next in line for the British monarchy…
This doctor may have abused his position of authority and the people of this country will not know until his name is made public, what is wrong with the NZ Justice system these days? When was it ever impartial or supportive of equality?
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
“what is wrong with the NZ Justice system these days?”
Answer is corruption. Shall I name the judge that has a protection order and still sits behind the bench of disgrace?
Good on Whale. Time these pricks joined the real world!
Vote:February 7th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
how can one start up a “Fuck I’m so bored with Cameron Slater” page ?
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Justice Minister Simon Power said Slater’s threats to expose the personal details of judges on his website were “probably not helpful”.
Nor is it helpful that Power obviously took that call first thing in the morning, before he put his testicles on. FFS, if the Justice Minister isn’t going to clearly and unambiguously condemn on-line attempts to intimidate judges who is? This is about what I expect from Slater, but Power really dropped the ball.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 8:15 am
There are some people you want in your corner when you are in a scrap, the help your cause and can lend an air of credibility.
Then there are those who do you no good at all….
““what is wrong with the NZ Justice system these days?”
Answer is corruption. Shall I name the judge that has a protection order and still sits behind the bench of disgrace?
Good on Whale. Time these pricks joined the real world!”
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 9:43 am
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fk-Im-so-bored-with-Cameron-Slater/291772446373?ref=search&sid=689146835.2079934586..1
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Haha big blouse talks of “credibility” and “there are those who do you no good at all ” when his or her vile rhetoric is helping ACT with 1% support. Keep it up strange one, as your intense hatred is visible and sickening to the average person. Please get some professional help with your disturbing pathological problem with me.
Vote:Talk about a rat in a corner.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:51 am
I would like to know that my kids doctor or teacher or the dj at the concert they are attending isnt going to molest them
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Well then Air New Zealand has a deal for you mickey because every human with a penis is a child molester as far as they are concerned.
Good thing no women ever got done for interfering with minors… oh wait.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
“Answer is corruption. Shall I name the judge that has a protection order and still sits behind the bench of disgrace?”
Should a judge not be behind the bench becasue he has a protection order? If so, why?
A person does not have to do anything illegal to have a protection order. If their partner what exclusive use of the house they just have to say they are fearful of the person.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Oh for gawds sake Chuck, the judge is a Family court judge. If you think it’s ok then you are more insane than big blouse. I suppose you like blouse think it is alright for a judge to view porno while on the job ( justice fisher).
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
[Quoting Murray]:
Who the hell is Cameron Slater or any other private citizen to decide that their personal opinon has more value than out legal system. I wouldn’t wear it from John Minto and I’m not wearing it from Slater. [/quote]
^^^ x2.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
D4J, please stick to the issue. Any man can have a protection order against him for very little justification.
If an man raises his voice he can have a protection order against him. He does not have to assault or even threaten to assault his wife. The law relating to protection orders is totally sexist.
I repeat one does not have to comment any criminal offence to have a protection order against them.
I do not see why anyone should lose their job because of one.
If you can come with a logical reason why they should please do so.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
“If you (D4J) can come with a logical reason why they should please do so.”
He has not managed to say anything logical in his previous 5734 posts so I fail to see why he would start now.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Chuck I lost my job, my family , my house and everything I own due to false allegations that resulted in protection orders after the media plastered my name on the front page of the newspaper. False allegations don’t matter to the dirty laundry journos. It’s all bullshit and the justice system knows it. Had a cop tell me the other day that they were very wrong to treat me like they did, but you already know that. Protection orders ruin a man but not a judge or cop?
Now back to the point. Our justice is beyond hope and I admire Whale for highlighting a disgrace. Name suppression for kiddy fiddlers but not for a good dad.
Vote:Go figure!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Get some help big blouse you creep!
Anybody know who this is? I have had it with this gutless cowardly keyboard ACT freak. I will offer a reward for its name.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
the justice system is not fair and impartial.
potential kiddie fiddlers get permanent name suppression?
millionaire drug smugglers get off after donations to charities
burglars who bungle get community service as do people who assault policewomen?
sorry I’m with D4J and Whale on this.
On conviction there should be NO suppression whatsoever for justice to be seen to be fair for all.
similarly if we feel a judge or magistrate is too lenient then we should have a vehicle to challenge that judge or magistrate.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
D4J is hillarious. In one post he craps on about being accused of doing something criminal that a delicate flower like him could never have done and then in the next post is offering rewards for the identity of another commenter so he can go an fill him in.
Priceless
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
No wonder feminist controlled State interests ( for example AirNZ) can push the line “all men are rapists.”
No wonder we are gold medalists at child abuse. Got money then mum’s the word says judge dread.
To the above yellowcak ACT dropkick, big blouse has crossed the line.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
“Get some help big blouse you creep!
Anybody know who this is? I have had it with this gutless cowardly keyboard ACT freak. I will offer a reward for its name.”
How much ?
I know his first name is the 2nd letter of the alphabet and his second begins with the 4th letter of the alphabet, and he like s Country music
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Thanks very much Rat
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Why dont you guys Bigbruv and Dad4justice organise a neutral venue and sort it out like gentlemen , 18 ounce gloves so no-one has a brain aneurism and an agreement that after the set too, the loser when told to shut the fuck up will do so
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
mikey – I have been trying to meet up with big blouse for over a year. I am more than ready. The creep won’t show as he has no balls.
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
“On conviction there should be NO suppression whatsoever for justice to be seen to be fair for all. ”
Mike, do you believe in the case of incest that the wishes of the victim should be ignored and he or she should be further victimised.
What would an adolescent boy who was sexually abused by his mother be called?
Vote:February 8th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
You’re right, Chuck. I agree there should be no name suppression after conviction, except in cases where the victim would be revictimised over and over again, as in your example.
If the victim is a) an adult and b) declines name suppression, then that should be their choice, otherwise the suppression would apply.
And just who does Cameron Slater think he is that he knows better than anyone esle in NZ what a judge should decide and if that decision was made *with good reason*? He is as bad as, if not worse, that those against whom he rails.
Cameron Slater, posse of one – well I’ll be fooked.
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