General Debate 13 March 2010

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MT_Tinman

Would you Wellingtonians please get your weather sorted before next Friday.
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March 13, 2010 9:11am
toad

I see Aucklanders have been invited to submit our entries for an Auckland supercity logo to the Auckland Transition Agency and be in to win a $10,000 prize.

But just like everything else about the supershitty, the decision on the logo has already been made by Rodney Hide.

I’ve managed to get a copy…
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March 13, 2010 9:16am
tom hunter

Those who contemplate NZ borrowing $250 million a week to prop up our society may find the following Forbes article on
Obamacare of interest.

The combined unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security–the federal health care and the pension programs for the elderly–are $107 trillion, seven times the current GDP. Meanwhile, Medicaid, the joint federal-state health insurance program, is consuming on average 21% of state budgets, their single biggest ticket item even before ObamaCare dumps another 16 million people into the program, expanding the Medicaid population by 25%.
………
In fact, the real reason why ObamaCare is so unpopular is that it is proposing a giant expansion of the entitlement state precisely when this state everywhere is coming apart: here and abroad; at the federal level and the state; in the public sector and the private. Suggesting a giant government takeover of a sixth of the economy can’t be a popular selling point in a country whose DNA has a programmed hostility to Big Government

I’m sure the left are glad that we in NZ apparently don’t have that same DNA. Not that that will save us. But perhaps this quote will resonate:

….Pushing ObamaCare was an astonishing misjudgment, the domestic policy equivalent of President Bush launching a full-scale preemptive strike against Iran after embroiling the country in Iraq and Afghanistan…..
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March 13, 2010 9:27am
Yvette

That the prize for an Auckland Supercity logo is “a trophy from the judging panel, plus a prize package of the ‘best of Auckland’ attractions to the value of $10,000.” [not cash!] and entries close March 19 – next Friday – indicates the amateurish level at which the whole thing is aimed. They can’t even have a logo already selected and this competition being a formality, because they can still only pay “a prize package of the ‘best of Auckland’ attractions to the value of $10,000.”
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March 13, 2010 9:52am
Inventory2

MT – are you coming to the cricket? I’m toying with the idea of a Bloggers’ Picnic on day one. Is anyone else keen?
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March 13, 2010 10:00am
reid

Yvette, IMO they should use the same people who designed the Fonterra logo – that’s brilliant.

You’re absolutely right too, if you’re going to do it, do it seriously or not at all. It actually treats us with contempt, for them to do it so clumsily and then, as they clearly do, expect that no-one will notice.
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March 13, 2010 10:06am
MT_Tinman

Inventory2 (4058) Says:
March 13th, 2010 at 10:00 am

MT – are you coming to the cricket? I’m toying with the idea of a Bloggers’ Picnic on day one. Is anyone else keen?

Yes, I shall be in Wellington for the test match and will happily attend a “bloggers’ picnic” – if you Wellingtonians can get your weather settled enough for play to commence.

As an aside, I have some great recommendations for places to dine in the city but, barring Maccas (where I seriously dislike the food and the “service) no where to break my fast and consume bucket loads of coffee in the am.

Please help.
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March 13, 2010 10:21am
Yvette

So just consider how much the Fonterra logo development cost, or Telecom – hundreds of thousands all up. I’m not eager that more money be spent than need be but I doubt “a prize package of the ‘best of Auckland’ attractions to the value of $10,000” will get them what they want.

“e Winning or entering this competition does not in any way indicate or guarantee any ongoing relationship with the entrant or future arrangement or contract between the entrant and the Auckland Transition Agency or Auckland Council.

No ongoing work – so why would a professional agency bother]

f In consideration of the prize, the winning design will become the property of the Auckland Council upon the winner being notified under condition 3. The winning entrant assigns (by present assignment of future rights) to the Auckland Transition Agency, for the benefit of the Auckland Council, all right, title and interest in the intellectual property rights in and to the winning design. The winning entrant hereby waives all moral rights, and similar rights anywhere in the world, in respect of the winning design. The winning entrant will at the Auckland Transition Agency’s cost execute all documents and otherwise do all things reasonably necessary to protect the Auckland Transition Agency’s or the Auckland Council’s ownership of the intellectual property rights in the winning design.”

Wham, bam, thank you mame.
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March 13, 2010 10:24am
kiki

this obsession with logos for cities is crazy. I have travelled to a few cities around the world and I can’t recall any city logo.

They mean as much as those stupid slogans.
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March 13, 2010 10:25am
reid

“So just consider how much the Fonterra logo development cost, or Telecom – hundreds of thousands all up. I’m not eager that more money be spent than need be”

Yeah I don’t know the cost and it’s likely to be around that but it’s fantastic. People say that Brisbane’s is good too but I haven’t seen it.

Another possibility is to ask someone like Ralph Hotere if he’d be interested in doing it.
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March 13, 2010 10:28am
kiki

this is more interesting than a city logo.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/03/13/1247f80546b8
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March 13, 2010 10:28am
eszett

# kiki (383) Says:
March 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

this obsession with logos for cities is crazy. I have travelled to a few cities around the world and I can’t recall any city logo.

They mean as much as those stupid slogans.

It’s not a logo for the city but for the council.
You may not notice it, but every corporation has a logo. Just check anything from your council.

The only thing about the new council one is that rather than hiring a agency it is done by a competition. Hence the publicity
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March 13, 2010 10:30am
Inventory2

MT_Tinman said Yes, I shall be in Wellington for the test match and will happily attend a “bloggers’ picnic” – if you Wellingtonians can get your weather settled enough for play to commence.

Oi! Don’t call me a Wellingtonian! I shall be venturing down to the Capital for the day from the thriving metropolis of L(h)awsville. I will consult though with a cricket-loving Wellingtonian by the blog-name of Leg Break, who will see what he can do.

Drop me a line at inventory2@gmail.com, and I’ll have some more info early next week.
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March 13, 2010 10:39am
Political Busker

http://www.newswire.co.nz/2010/03/councillor-interests/
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March 13, 2010 10:57am
Yvette

Eszett – “It’s not a logo for the city but for the council. You may not notice it, but every corporation has a logo. Just check anything from your council.”

“What we’re looking for
The logo needs to be simple and effective. In practical terms it has to work on everything from flags and banners to rubbish bins, business cards and security passes. It needs to be distinctive, exciting, dynamic and reflect the diverse communities of Auckland.”
– http://www.aucklandcouncillogo.co.nz/details/

So that’s great – it’s not at all clear if this is just a piddling logo for a city council, or it is a logo to actually represent the City of Auckland, or both?
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March 13, 2010 10:59am
Fletch

So just consider how much the Fonterra logo development cost, or Telecom – hundreds of thousands all up.

Yeh, but look at Telecom’s logo – the “asterisk scribble”. I’m sure joe public could do better than that for less than thousands of dollars.
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March 13, 2010 11:18am
Bryla

MT-Tinman, weather all sorted.

Am on ferry to Picton, then train to Christchurch.

Nice place you have here. I’m looking forward to the party upon acquittal.

Cheers
Bryan
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March 13, 2010 11:32am
MT_Tinman

Bryla (25) Says:
March 13th, 2010 at 11:32 am

MT-Tinman, weather all sorted.

Am on ferry to Picton, then train to Christchurch.

Nice place you have here. I’m looking forward to the party upon acquittal.

Cheers
Bryan

There goes the neighbourhood!
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March 13, 2010 11:41am
Yvette

Sunday Star-Times managing editor Mitchell Murphy said critics should withhold judgment about the newspaper’s actions until the results of its investigation were revealed.
“Our investigation, which is a matter of significant public interest, was well planned and carefully considered,” he said.
“We sought legal advice prior to commencing our investigation, and the journalists involved worked under strict protocols.”
He said the reporter carrying fake explosives had a letter outlining the investigation in case he was stopped, which would have prevented evacuation.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3443353/Furore-at-newspaper-fools-of-terror

Sorry our letter was in Arabic.
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March 13, 2010 12:18pm
reid

What the Sunday Star-Times seem not to get, is the fact that authorisation to use lethal force in a crowded public space was a very real possibility and I don’t think waving a letter would have convinced the police sniper not to shoot. Not to mention the surrounding possibility of causing mass panic. I mean d’uh.

But lets be frank: this is the Sunday Star-Times and actual reality rarely visits. Fuck knows what they were doing in the risk assessment part of the planning sessions. Perhaps they didn’t have one of those.
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March 13, 2010 12:30pm
RKBee

Not much happening on the left wing blogs this weekend… they must all be at WOMAD… the SST will surely be there.. Now they have firmly entrenched themselves in the bizarre and usual entertainment category.
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March 13, 2010 12:57pm
Fletch

He said the reporter carrying fake explosives had a letter outlining the investigation in case he was stopped, which would have prevented evacuation.

Was it the letter ‘I’ for ‘idiot’?
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March 13, 2010 1:02pm
toad

Come on RKBee, Kennedy Graham has a wonderful pisstake on Solid Energy’s essay-writing competition for kids at frogblog, r0b has a competition between Key and Tolley at The Standard, and I’ve been having a bit of fun of my own at Key’s and Tolley’s expense over at g.blog.
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March 13, 2010 1:17pm
Ross Miller

Taken from the Terrorist Handbook, 2010 reprint (Australasian Edition).

6.1 ALWAYS take with you a letter from the New Zealand Sunday Star Times claiming you are a journalist on an undercover mission to test security. That way and if you are fingered before you reach your target produce said letter and while they are reading it detonate the bomb. You will at least get some of the bastards.

6.2 It’s just Infidel propaganda that Tiger Woods has stolen all the virgins.
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March 13, 2010 1:30pm
Yvette

6.2 a] It is infidel propaganda that the virgins Tiger Woods stole were virgins
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March 13, 2010 1:43pm
grumpyoldhori

Reid, with a blast radius of a least ten metres plus any shrapnel they have loaded into a bomb the chance of a police marksman not firing is bloody nil if he believed they had explosives.
If it is not a crime done by SST it bloody well should be, pass a law to deal with fuckwits then chuck the dumb bastards who had this idea into Pare.
I would prefer they were locked up before the trial with no bail, but I’m a liberal 🙂
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March 13, 2010 1:44pm
Yvette

Key Government gives greater information about SAS in Afghanistan
Media identify military heroes in Afghanstan
NZ MSM show what a vulnerable target NZ is
World Cup will assemble crowds as targets
Only saving grace is terrorist don’t know where NZ is ?
Can SST be charged with treason?
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March 13, 2010 1:48pm
Viking2

While this may offend some sensibilities it will be interesting to see what their case is when published. Its a bit like the tsunami thing. Once was a failure , second much better and so on. We may well learn something here. Not being likely to rush off to watch any game it probably won’t bother me but we really don’t need a lack of contingency planning to have a disastrous result on someone you know.
Imagine the howls for blood is something did eventuate. Grumpy would be going on along with lots of others.
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March 13, 2010 2:37pm
Viking2

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A survey by OnePoll.com has revealed the sex trends of women from around the world, with New Zealand women proving to be the most experienced with 20.4 sexual partners in a lifetime.

and for Cactus

Hot list: Countries with the sexiest people
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March 13, 2010 7:57pm
Luc Hansen

Funny how a right wing blog is quiet on the news of the latest finance company failure, Strategic Finance.

But with this collapse, New Zealanders now have some $4.5 billion (not a misprint) in funds either lost, or frozen while their affairs are sorted out, with only a remote possibility of more than a tiny fraction of those funds being restored to the investors.

And we are constantly demonised for our supposed love affair with property and our seeming non-propensity to save, as we were so so often lectured by Don Brash, former RB governor, proof of the fact that you can take the man out of Presbyterianism, but you can’t take the Presbyterianism out of the man.

Well, both our property investments, a proven investment vehicle over a long period, and our funds now lost down the black hole of greed and fraudulent behaviour, give the lie to this libel of New Zealanders as a nation of non-savers.

In fact, we desperately seek reasonably safe, and even not so safe, investments, but get constantly fed to the sharks.

And even that high priest of said libel, Don Brash, is now associated with yet another investment company caught out in shonkey practices. After his lies about his ties to the Exclusive Brethren, I suppose the only surprise should be that it took him so long to get into hot water again.

I knew the original Hulijch, Peter, the founder of Top Hat, an immigrant and a fine man, who would be devastated by the actions of one of his grandchildren. And considering the grandson has simply been replaced on the board by his father, it would surely be even more embarrassing for my deceased friend.
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March 13, 2010 8:08pm
Viking2

Luc; clearly you are mistaken. Property investment still remains although there has been and will always be failures. Without those failures nothing happens.
And don’t forget all this happened under YOUR and your Labour mates watch, which indicates that you were probably out there orchestrating it despite being warned by many others to get your shit together and fix the law. Another Labour failure.

And just to add balance to your lunatic ravings,(you should start your own blog like Rodney Dickens. He calls his Rodney’s ravings, yours would be Lucs Lunatic Ravings from the Asylum). I digress
Here is the balance you failed miserably to put before this august group of bloggers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10631715

Don Brash: No comparison to finance companies

By Don Brash View as one page
4:00 AM Saturday Mar 13, 2010

KiwiSavers did not lose money as a result of Huljich’s actions

And when you have read this and apologized to Hujilich for being too much like his Dad, make an effort to be better informed about these things.
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March 13, 2010 8:22pm
Hurf Durf

You’re not liberal, GOH, you’re just stupid.

SWEDEN is home to the most bisexual women in the world, Brazilians last longest in bed and New Zealand women are the most promiscuous.

Any chance of creating some bizarre Swebraland hybrid? We could make a fortune.
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March 13, 2010 8:28pm
Viking2

oOrder away,
I guess you might want a long, promiscuous, bisexual, or perhaps a promiscuous Brazilian with bisexual tendencies. Just order away.
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March 13, 2010 8:33pm
Luc Hansen

Viking2 @ 8.22pm

I don’t have Labour mates, in the sense you imply. I detest slavish adherence to any one political body. Rather, I pick and choose parties on issues that are important to me. So in the last election, for example, I declined to vote in the electorate contest (abstention being a time-honoured tactic of avoidance, as UN votes show) and did not give Labour my party vote.

But the more important point you address, that there was no direct loss to investors, misses the wider issue of the deliberate and dishonest attempt to mislead the investing public by overstating, by a wide margin, the fund’s returns.

Don Brash and John Banks, neither of whom inspire confidence as regards their integrity, are guilty by association.

But why are you defending such shonkey practices?
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March 14, 2010 10:28am
pentwig

I guess Bryla in LaLa land has taken an early plane back to Australia.

Thank goodness.

Bye Bye
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March 14, 2010 7:13pm
pentwig

Luc

I think you are telling us big fibbies .

The views you project and subject us to are total socialist crap.

Take a leaf from philu’s book, who was ripped badly ( and who learnt a valuable lesson) if you advance adverse comment
you will be treated with distain.
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March 14, 2010 7:33pm
wikiriwhis business

Hows this for a statement

For a description of the identical parallels between the early days of Nazi repression and current political conditions in the U.S. see “Nazi Justiz: Law of the Holocaust” and “Drug Warriors and Their Prey: From Police Power to Police State”, both by Richard Lawrence Miller.. Another interesting general study is William L. Shirer’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”. In the 1950s Shirer remarked that the U.S. would be the first nation to go fascist democratically.

http://attackthesystem.com/armed-struggle-against-the-state/
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