Good Bye

March 9th, 2010 at 4:43 pm by David Farrar

Bryce Edwards blogs:

Not only is the Church facing all sorts of internal ructions relating to its financial affairs and control, but the Christian political party that is an outgrowth of Brian Tamaki’s church – the – has just applied to cancel its registration with the Electoral Commission, and hence dissolve itself. The – one of three Christian-based parties that sought the party vote in the 2008 election – originally went under the name of ‘Destiny New Zealand’, until a major reconfiguration occurred prior to the 2008 general election.

Yay. The last thing I want is a party linked to a cult being in Parliament.

The Family Party in 2008 got only 0.35% of the vote and in 2005 Destiny itself got 0.62%.

Hopefully this means Arch-Bishop Brian has given up on ruling the country, and will leave most of us alone, and just go back to (financially) preying on his victims parishioners.

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36 Responses to “Good Bye”

  1. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    I thought we wanted people with financial ambitions running the country? But yeah, for the whole country, not just themselves.

    Either most voters here aren’t interested in a narrow interest party or they aren’t impressed by the quality of the candidates.

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  2. David in Chch (503 comments) says:

    Or both.

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  3. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    And ACT isn’t a cult?

    Pete George (4141) Says:

    March 9th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    I thought we wanted people with financial ambitions running the country?

    Sorry Pete, but there is, or at elast there should be, emphasis on a lot more than “financial ambition” in our parliamentarians. How many more Philip Fields, Bill Englishs and Donna Huatas do we need

    As the great man said Economies exist because people trade and not the other way round.

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  4. Bryce Edwards (248 comments) says:

    I notice that the Big-News blog (http://big-news.blogspot.com) has also commented about the de-registration, including the following:

    “So now, three Christian parties have departed from the political scene – two of their leaders are in prison, and the third is associated with a man who claims he is the physical manifestation of God. Time to deregister the Pacific Party now, perhaps.”

    In addition, a friend contacted me to say, “on the grapevine it is District Health Boards that they are going after. Less scrutiny. Less public. Also targets issues like Abortion et al that they are interested in. Big P politics was a failure.
    Keep watching my friend. They aren’t going away any time soon.”

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  5. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” Hopefully this means Arch-Bishop Brian has given up on ruling the country, ”

    Yes yes, we’re all so much happier under the High Priests of Socialism, who unlike Mr. Tamaki (who at least is prepared to tolerate a *voluntary* payment to keep him in the style he is accustomed), will lock you up for refusing to tithe 50% of your income.

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  6. burt (7,091 comments) says:

    Destiny could learn a lot from NZ First. Why oh why did Destiny even declare the donations they receive ? There is zero consequences for rorting the disclosure and tax laws – Winston proved there is nothing to worry about at a legal level.

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  7. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Is New Zealand a secular Pharaoh’s Socialist Kingdom?

    Please come back soon Jesus.

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  8. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    And ACT isn’t a cult?

    Compared to the cult of Helen Clark while running Labour?

    Looser.

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  9. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    I was watching the Beyond The Darklands episode of Bert Potter and the Centrepoint cult last week and that sounded a shitload like socialism, brainsrightout. Or should that be billybonkers?

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  10. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    The Klarkula Cult has moved to the Big Bad Apple now. Judith and Heather go to Church together now. Yeah right!

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  11. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Bishop Tamaki’s own views are available on the Destiny church website.

    http://www.destinychurch.org.nz/

    $4.99 per download please, my son.

    Yeah, nah…

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  12. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    He may now be looking to expand his empire overseas… you know take over the world … bigger market… more money.. more idiots.. He could be our biggest and most successful export yet.. Not so much OZ.. the US im thinking.. the land of dreams and dreamers he should do well… SSSttttreretch! even run for congress or the presidency like the hollywood movie stars. Isn’t it a plus sometimes that NZ is just not big enough in numbers to satisfy those with such grand ego’s.
    Mind you any fool could get into parliament look at Garrett.

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  13. AG (1,727 comments) says:

    “Yay. The last thing I want is a party linked to a cult being in Parliament.”

    You mean like a Party that had a vice-President who proudly proclaimed his membership in the Zenith Applied Philosophy cult? Couldn’t agree more – get ACT out of the House now!

    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2006/02/trevor-loudon-replies-to-russel-norman.html
    http://thecentreoftheuniverse.webs.com/index.htm

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  14. GJ (329 comments) says:

    Burt: I think you will find that all registered charities have to declare their donations. In regards The Family Party I still feel that their policies were very well thought out and made a lot of sence. I used to enjoy visiting their Web site which I see is now down. They were in the last election the only party to my knowledge that made a strong stand against Global warming. (Perhaps Act also did) and also wanting a lower and flatter tax base.
    I think one of the problems we face is that many want change, but do not want to face change to acheive it. Therefore as they say “If nothing changes, then nothing changes!”
    As voters have we really come to grips with MMP and what it can acheived with stategic voting? I personally don’t think so.

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  15. AG (1,727 comments) says:

    GJ: “They were in the last election the only party to my knowledge that made a strong stand against Global warming.”

    I think the Greens were pretty anti-Global Warming at the last election. You can vote for them next time. Then things will change, so things will change! As they say.

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  16. Brian Harmer (686 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf (1304) Says:
    March 9th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    “I was watching the Beyond The Darklands episode of Bert Potter and the Centrepoint cult last week and that sounded a shitload like socialism, brainsrightout. Or should that be billybonkers?”

    The problem with that HD, is that the NT in several places can be used to support that POV. For example Acts 4:32-35 …

    32. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
    33. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
    34. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
    35. And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

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  17. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    Hopefully this means Arch-Bishop Brian has given up on ruling the country, and will leave most of us alone…

    How sad you spent so much time worrying about him!! I, and I suspect most, hardly gave him a thought.

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  18. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    And good riddance.

    May Larry Ballcock’s Kiwi Party be the next to depart the political scene.

    Political parties should be secular, not dictated to by religion. Wonder when Germany’s Christian Democratic Union will change its name. Even though I would never support them as a party of the right , their voter base must be hampered by their appeal to Christian religion – how many Muslim or Jewish or atheist or agnostic Germans would ever vote for a party with that name?

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  19. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Political parties should be secular, not dictated to by religion.

    Explain the Gween’s dependence on the cult of Gaia then.

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  20. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    toad (1895) Says:
    March 9th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Political parties should be secular, not dictated to by religion.?

    Sez who toad? You’re just like DPF with an irrational fear of anything religious….

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  21. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Speaking of cults, toad and frog must belong to the notorious Green Amphibian Cult that lurks in stinking green Snot Swamp. Yuck , it’s little wonder they’re all bullshitting stoners. Utopia is doomed – freakshow over mud lurkers! Nice one Peter. Bye – bye toady creature.

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  22. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    @Dazzaman 7:53 PM:

    Hell, that hurts! DPF and I disagree on most things political, but one thing I think we do agree on is that religion has no place in politics. Why don’t you guys just start your own blog, call it “Ask Jesus blog” and see how many punters you get.

    @d4j 8:01 PM: At your usual level of intellectual rigour again, I see. Why don’t you just fuck off back to your own blog (to give you some credit at least. unlike the fundies. you have one) and see if you can write a post that gets the comment count above zero.

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  23. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    “Why don’t you just fuck off back to your own blog ”

    Why don’t you just f off back to your fetid swamp.

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  24. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    Already swimming in it d4j – thanks to Nick Smith and Gerry Brownlee. Not that Labour did any better re water quality when they were in power.

    Lots of shit and piss in our swamps, streams and rivers, whichever of them hold the strings of power. Time for a Green change, d4j.

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  25. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Toad I manage a wetland project for Department of Conservation. I am a REAL Greenie dude. No flies on me boyo. Bye bye – Bishop check.

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  26. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    @Dazzaman 7:53 PM:

    Hell, that hurts! DPF and I disagree on most things political, but one thing I think we do agree on is that religion has no place in politics. Why don’t you guys just start your own blog, call it “Ask Jesus blog” and see how many punters you get.

    Oh, already do that…plenty of punters, but only in America. LOL
    The religious will always be involved in politics, been the case in the past, will be the case always. After all we have the same rights as any other group (your argument reminds me of the “Sport & Politics don’t mix” crap of years ago)…surely you wouldn’t deny us that, free thinking green that you are?

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  27. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Surely the Bishops time is short.

    He pronounced a prohecy from God that didn’t happen

    Just one false prophecy announces a false prophet.

    He who speaks in the name of the Lord and the saying does not come to pass, was judged accursed in Israel and died by Gods hand.

    Destiny church is slowly crumbling not to be repaired.

    THe bible clearly states to worship with out controversy. That clearly is not the case.

    THe doors that God closes are closed permanently.

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  28. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    True wikiriwhi…being, as someone described me, one of the “frozen chosen” & not a “happy clappy”; although conservative & calvinistic (a dirty word amongst most evangelicals). I frown on the “prosperity gospel” leanings of bishop Brian,…from all angles he’s looking decidedly dodgy.

    Prophecies, tongues, etc. are finished, they are finished because we now have the full counsel of God for life & living…the Scriptures.

    Anyway, I’m finished here, bishop Brian’s had enough of my time…I shall go back to my former state of blissful ignorance of him.

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  29. mavxp (490 comments) says:

    Glad they are gone.

    Like many Christians, I loathe self proclaimed “christian” parties. I have nothing against politicians (whether left or right leaning) having personal faiths, and in the right context can really add to a candidates character provided they use their God-given brains and walk the talk. Nobody likes a hypocrit or a self-righteous bigot. Compassionate, hard-working and virtuous through good example is what a candidate should be, regardless of faith. If one’s faith enhances these character traits genuinely then all to the good.

    I agree with DPF and Toad on this -separation of church and state is where it is at.

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  30. MIKMS (163 comments) says:

    Wow…This is the second Mr Tamaki Blog I’ve watched with such amusing and rather interesting comments within

    I still find it funny that when I was younger I sat in the midland park cafe watching him and his rabble chanting while I drank my Mocha and then him proclaiming he would have 10% or some like number of NZ voting for him at the election.

    While I think He’s a great profiteer he is essentially not christian, He is a self appointed Bishop (thus not a real one…)
    for a start not even being nominally of one of the initial religions to be able to claim that right and simply he deserves anything and everything that he gets, his parties are falling and his congregation have split while he tries to take their money with eftpos of all things, from many who cannot afford to pay for school uniforms and basic household goods

    A great man quoted a certain verse out of the bible which I personally do not like to quote in general due to the automatic right/conservative assumptions and of course the annoyance of the infiltration of Christian trolls on this particular blog but anyway…

    This quote by a man who actually several times has attacked the bible is quite noteworthy for Mr Tamaki and I have to wonder if he’s read it:

    ” Stand Now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth..”
    - J.Randi on Uri Geller

    :)

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  31. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    …deserves anything and everything he gets…

    Be sure he is squirreling away gargantuan amounts into trusts for when the day that he is denounced. Then he will be rendered ‘destitute’, all his companies will fall into liquidation owing thousands, and he will swan off somewhere to be photographed shortly thereafter on a huge launch, or in a massive estate…. Owned by ‘friends’ of course…

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  32. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Yay. The last thing I want is a party linked to a cult being in Parliament.

    You mean like the Greens?

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  33. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    “He is a self appointed Bishop (thus not a real one…)”

    Because all the others are directly annointed by God? As opposed to appointed from within their own little club?

    Unless he is breaking laws I really dont see Destiny as being anyone’s business but the sad sacks who belong.

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  34. pkiwi (111 comments) says:

    And Brian said Destiny NZ would rule by 2008?
    Brian is better at profits than prophet.

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  35. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    pkiwi – it’s a non-prophet business

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  36. GJ (329 comments) says:

    AJ: they were the exact opposite to The Greens. The Family party stood against the LIE of Global warming not like the Greens that are anti progress of any sort and support anything that will slow and bog down an economy. They are a total waste of Space and very religious. Their religion is secular humanism which appears to be widely accepted without any questioning. Amazing really.

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