Obama’s rating goes negative
Real Clear Politics publish polls of polls, averaging all the different polls out there.
They report today, that for the very first time Obama’s negatives are greater than his positives in their average of the polls.
47.3% say they approve of the job he is doing and 47.8% disapprove.
If healthcare passes, I expect he will get a lift from that, even though it is controversial. Being ineffectual is worse than being unpopular, when you hold the most powerful job in the world.
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March 19th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I heard if it passes Armageddon begins and the red army won.
Glen Beck told me.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
“when you hold the most powerful job in the world.”
I didnt think a black man could be head of the Illuminati?
March 19th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
It wont pass – too many Democrats will loose their cushy jobs in Congress and the Senate if Obamarama gets his way with health care.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
What country was Nobama born in?
March 19th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Left are dissatisfied that he hasn’t cured the world’s ills yet, or even the US’s healthcare ills.
Right are convinced the fall of the western christian empire and the takeover of global socialism (or even worse, Islam) is just a couple of Democrat initiatives away.
Meh – opinions, everybody has them.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Uh oh, spaghetti-o. Obama is paying for doing a lot of things the same as his predecessor – _extending_ the dodgy wiretapping powers, not dealing to lobbyists pushing their agendas, and continuing to wage war without end, reforming copyright in favour of the MPAA and RIAA (although this can fall under the lobbyist banner).
He captured the idealistic youth vote in a big way, and now it’s backfiring on him.
But as far as I can see the Republicans don’t really have a quality alternative. Maybe Mitt Romney. If you say Sarah Palin then I know you’re trolling. Nobody with more than 4 brain cells would consider her a quality candidate for the most powerful job in the world.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Nobody with more than 4 brain cells would consider her a quality candidate for the most powerful job in the world.
We all thought nobody with two brain cells would have voted for Obama – look where he is now.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Last count he needed only 3 more votes. It’s as good as passed.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Talking about Polls, latest Roy Morgan Labour up 2, National down 2.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Talking about Polls, latest Roy Morgan Labour up 2, National down 2.
And still Labour don’t have a chance in Hades of getting near the Treasury benches for two more terms!
March 19th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
obama will get health care passed..
..and will kick the nuts of the wall st robbers to cream..
his approval ratings will head back up then..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
*cough*JohnKeyareyoulistening?*cough*
March 19th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
as kieran said..there is no republican alternative..
(pleasee..!..please..!..let it be sarah..!..)
so..you righties have to swallow hard..
and realise that obama is just launching into year two..of eight..
it’s a long game..
eh..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2010/commentwhoarhow-obama-will-save-his-presidencyand-is-he-successfully-playing-the-long-game/
and he is about to get two big notches on his belt..
(i mean..fdr tried to reform health..he and everyone untill obama..failed..
..the mana he will derive from this cannot be overestimated..
..and then he will deal to those everyone loves to hate..
..the bankers/insurance/finance industries..
as i said..
the beginning of year two..of eight..
..eh..?
chins up..!..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
And what will get them shooting back up again is passing an unpopular clusterfuck of a bill using underhanded methods Obama promised not to use in the campaign.
Be quiet, everyone. The Democratic Party knows what it’s doing.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
..and then he will deal to those everyone loves to hate..
..the bankers/insurance/finance industries..
Is he going to offer them more money?
March 19th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
After they paid for half his lavish inauguration, Bevan, he’ll keep being Mr Moderate with them.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
no bevan..he has used the same tactic he used on health reform..
..he’s given the opposition enough rope to hang themselves..
who is more vilified now..?..than wall st/the bankers..?
their obscene bonuses to themselves..
were just the self-basting on their turkey..
you watch..he will break up the big ones..
obama wants to go down in the history books as the greatest reformist president of all..
you ain’t seen nothing yet..
remember..the beginning of year two..of eight..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Congress.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
philu: who is more vilified now..?..than wall st/the bankers..?
Hurf Durf: Congress.
Zing!!!!!!
March 19th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
izquierdista estupido!!!!
March 19th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Ahh, the islamic in chief is lagging behind in the polls….what a shame…maybe he needs help from biiishoop tamaki to raise his profile….yeah, cause they been separated from birth and need to be re united…
March 19th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
are you on that new methadrone..there..serge..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Estimado Tomas H.:
Eres un yanqui podrido? Si no, porque los insultos personales? Lo has hecho conmigo en otras ocasiones, pero no con un tono tan fuerte.
Mejor ser amable a pesar de las diferencias ideologicas con otros comentaristas en este foro. Ah, y otra cosa–Obama tiene una majoria del voto Hispano y los Hispanos siguen creciendo dia a dia como porcentaje de la populacion. Eso indica que los conservadores blancos estan en decadencia politica a paser del repunteo reciente en torno al debate sobre la provision de servicios de salud. Ni la Sarah Palin o el loco Glen Beck los salvara de la derrota en 2012.
Saludos–PGB
(Apologies to the non-Spanish speaking. Tom gets the message)
March 19th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
ah..hello mr buchanan..
are you still a 9/11 scoffer..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Phil: Indeed I am. You need to move on-the past cannot be undone regardless of who/what/when.
March 19th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
During his recent bang-the-drum-slowly trip to Ohio the NYT noted that:
Which makes this threat comedy gold:
Perhaps the problem is that Obama simply has a tin ear!
March 19th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
(Apologies to the non-Spanish speaking. Tom gets the message)
I’m sure even Philu knows how to use Google translate ….. – you filthy rotten yankee!
March 19th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
“..You need to move on-the past cannot be undone regardless of who/what/when..”
so..that is your rationale for there to be no further investigations of the raft-loads of anomalies around that particular ‘dirty’-exercise..?
therefor..anyone can be excused anything..as long as it is in the past..?
we should all just ‘move on’..?
that is the political/moral anchor off which you swing..?
and are you totally ignoring the questions from the engineers..etc..?
or have you not read their concerns/worries..?
and if you have read them..
once again .. do we just all need to ‘move on’..?
..and i must say..i do find the use of the 9/11 blinkers ..by one so well-versed in the ‘dirty-tricks’ of the intelligence world..
..somewhat puzzling..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Geez Phil.
Even of there was a controlled demolition in order to save lives otherwise lost by the towers toppling over sideways across twenty city blocks, and the 9/11 covered it up, does it change anything? We already know that W and his puppet master were thieving liars, but that does not mean they orchestrated the event. Crikey. This is my last engagement with you on this matter.
What has changed as a result of the JFK assassination and false moon landing theories? That is my point. You can revisit and interpret the past but you cannot change it. best to learn and move on, each in our different ways.
If you are into this sort of thing I suggest focusing on Area 54–there has gotta be something fishy in there somewhere!
Bevan: Me gusta tu rapidez en decifrar mis palabras foraneas. Bien hecho (con la ayuda de, por supuesto, Google). Ojala que el senor Tomas tambien entiende lo que he escrito.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Tom gets the message
Si.
But given the problems he has corralling the Hispanic votes in Congress right now, the unemployment hitting that demographic, and the whole conservative family values thing (Prop 8 in California etc) – we’ll see how well that theory holds up in 2012 and beyond.
Actually your comment did crack me up as I can read and speak some Spanish but not write it, the former skills being more important on the South Side of Chicago.
And truth be told the quote was actually applied to Sean Penn – after some recent raving about the wonders of Chavez – by the current White Sox manager (and native Venezuelan) Ozzie Guillen. Ozzie is somewhat more popular on the South Side than their former community organiser.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Tom: being a UC grad and former resident of Hyde Park (and white Sox fan), I hear what you are saying. Too bad we cannot agree on much else. But as they say, veremos lo que pasa en 2012. Que el mejor candidato gane.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Sadly we cannot even agree on that…..
Cubs fan.
And I don’t want to hear about it.
Besides, I cheered my brains out in 2005. The White Sox in 1917. The Red Sox in 1918 and defeating the Curse to boot. Surely it means we can win sometime in the 21st century.
Arhrhrhhrh. Who am I kidding. Doomed. DOOMED!
March 19th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
(interesting..denigration..then refusal to engage/withdrawal..)
and you are entertaining the idea the (obvious) controlled explosions..
were set after the planes hit..?
to bring down the towers in a controlled demolition..?
..whoar..!
from that..we can accept that you accept..that the evidence for a sequence of controlled demolitions..is overwhelming..?
..eh..?
and you choose that as your explaination..?
you choose to come up with that nonsense..?..to explain that controlled demolition..?
(btw..as for a conspiracy-theory-benchmark for me:..?
oswald was a patsy..of course they went to the moon..
..i know s.f.a. about ‘area 54′..
and i do not believe that because the aztec calender ends in 2012..
..that the world ends in 2012..
..ok..?
but 9/11 is a pile of putresence..
(and perhaps the most traitorous act against the american people ever..)
..so..’just move on’..really is no sort of answer..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
(btw..i would love to hear more detail on yr explosives-laid-after-planes-hit theory..eh..?
..it sounds fascinating..)
March 19th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Phil:
One last rejoinder (and I really do not see the point in arguing with someone who I have defended in the past on this forum). The Empire State Building was hit by a plane in 1948. People on the ground were killed by the debris. From that date on all architects, engineers, planners and policy makers have been forced to consider catastrophic options when building skyscrapers in such a heavily traveled air corridor ( 3 major airports within 20 miles of Manhattan, plus dozens of small air bases within 50 miles). One scenario, given that the NYC emergency command and control centre as well as several federal security offices were located in the WTC, is that the towers would be rigged with staggered explosives so as to control (or try to control) the debris field emanating from, and classified materials exposed by, a catastrophic event. Regular inspection and upgrading of the charges installed in 1970 would ensure their reliability in such an event. Get the picture? It might be implausible but not impossible that such occurred, and that doomsday moment came to pass.
I do not know if this was the case, but if it was, sounds like a good idea to me. I must say that I am quite disappointed in your line of inquiry on this matter. It devalues the merits of your other arguments and is a waste of my time.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Hola Paul (PGB), si Obama tiene la mayoria del voto hispano, tambien venezuela y cuba, muchos hispanos todavia no salieron de las tribus indias, no se si saben escribir o leer amigo, obama es un negro perdido y si los hispanos lo siguen, bueno, ellos van a llegar descalzos y desnudos….
March 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
may i say:..what a load of cobblers..
and yes..i have agreed with you in the past on many opinions/issues..
(..but y;know..forever is a very very long time..eh..?)
which is partly why i am so mystified by yr intransigence/puzzling attitudes/theories on this one..
and i can only echo your words..
“..I must say that I am quite disappointed in your line of inquiry on this matter..”
(but not necessarily this one:)
“..It devalues the merits of your other arguments..”
that i see as being somewhat irrational..not to mention petulant..eh..?
and possibly even bordering on pompous..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 19th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Serge:
Pienso que estas completamente equivocado con respeto al Sr. Obama. Sera liberal pero no es socialista y no tiene ambiciones dictatoriales. Ahora, en cuanto a Chavez….ahi si hay problemas.
Saludos, PGB
March 19th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Hola Paul, tenes razon, al final todos los latinos en america y en latino america no tienen una vida facil, yo eso lo se de primera mano, con respecto al presidente, en ciertas formas te estaba pinchando, pero tenes razon.
un abrazo, Serge
March 19th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Serge:
Estoy completamente de acuredo con tus ultimas palabras. Hay que recordar al famoso refran:
“bendito sea Mexico, tna lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos.” La ironia de esas palabras no se me escapa.
March 19th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Buenas noches amigo, es un placer intercambiar contigo, y si, arriba Mejico y viva Zapata!
March 19th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Wud yew fuckin ejits gi awa ar dis sully wog talk und speak th qweens english ya ken.
If ya dina dee it richt noo I wull be forced tae come ova and pit the heed on ya.
March 19th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Estimado BB: Como la querida y muy recordada Brigid Bardot, tienes la mente y humor de un encendedor vacio, pero si la figura.
March 19th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Paul
Ek is seker dat die Amerikaanse volk reg voor hulle besluit om die volgende verkiesing sal maak.
March 19th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Mike NZ: Perhaps they will, but never underestimate the domheid of the masses. You and Tom appear to be in translingual consensus.
March 20th, 2010 at 9:06 am
“Talking about Polls, latest Roy Morgan Labour up 2, National down 2.”
A slight ray of hope for Labour Mickey, they seem they could be trending slowly back back out of embarrassing territory, at the expense of the Greens and MP.
National look to be within their normal fluctuation over the past year.
June/July polls will be interesting, as the budget starts to have an effect (or not).
I think the next two or three months will also give a better indication of where Obama is going, after the success or not of his healthcare battle.
March 20th, 2010 at 9:45 am
I think Obambi actually has a good shot at winning the 2012 election. Whether the healthcare stuff passes or fails it will move down the newscycle as other events take it’s place. But it’s probably not going to gain anything for Obama either. If it fails it damages him badly, but even if it passes it has been so badly screwed up in process and content that it’s almost toxic to right, left and centrists. Taxes start five years before the benefits do – and the benefits are not what his left-wing base really wanted. He has been reduced to going on Fox News to argue his case, and pleading with Congressional Democrats to pass it not on its merits but to save his presidency.
If you want to gain a sense of how low he has sunk and how badly the smartest President evah has fucked things up read this from a very progressive commentator at FireDogLake:
Two of those predictable events that will become prominent will be the debate over “Cap and Trade” and immigration law changes. Obama must be hoping that the latter will be a wedge issue that will fracture the GOP. It’s tricky though because those faultlines run through both parties. The former will almost certainly be useless to the Dems as deals are cut for individual states to get passage, rendering the whole thing pointless for no political gain. In the wake of Climategate, no politician is going to be boasting about their efforts on this front.
As usual the big thing will be the economy, and on that front the US private sector will have almost (almost) certainly made some sort of recovery by 2012. I think such growth will be anemic and private sector unemployment will still be high. All negative things – but the good old 2009 stimulus was always backloaded with an eye to spending lots of money in 2010-2011, so it may brighten things enough to help him survive.
The big unknown is foreign policy, which has a habit of dumping unexpected things (even if only from the POV of timing) into the laps of Presidents. It took two years for Carter’s nonsense to catch up with him but then it pretty much sealed the tomb on his presidency. Obama has laid the same groundwork already, to the extent that I appreciated one US commentator’s quip on him the other day:
March 20th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Paul
That’s the reason they are in this mess of course.
Who was it said that voting was so important it shouldn’t be left to the masses?
March 20th, 2010 at 10:25 am
That’s from an email the Dems have just mailed to it’s database.
I’d be surprised if a few phone calls from constituents would make any difference (they usually ask for donations but no money mentioned this time). I think it’s more likely just a ra-ra attempt to make the base think they are involved.
March 20th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I guess Obama’s not the new kid in town any more and people are getting sick of him already.
How’s all that hope-y change-y stuff working out?
March 20th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
not bad..actually..fletch..
(esp. considering the economic-shitstorm your man shrub left behind..eh..?..)
healthcare is nailed..
the wall st bastards are next..
and it’s only the beginning of year two..from eight..
so..y’know..!
yr sneers cd well be a case of premature ejaculation..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
March 20th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
So nobody has [deleted by DPF]
[DPF: 50 demerits]
March 20th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
You know I very rarely get to this stage on Kiwiblog – but Johnboy – fuck off!
March 20th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
I’m curious, would American conservative Christians vote for a Mormon politician whom a lot believe takes his instructions from Salt Lake City ?
Be a hell of a choice for them, one bloke of half a race they normally drag behind pickups for fun, the other Mormon.
March 20th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
“This will be a spectacular weekend as spring is sprung. Don’t waste it watching media counts on health care. It’s over. Bill will pass House”
Larry Sabato
Twitter 3 hours ago.
March 20th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
One thing that I have heard is that the Obama strategy for his first year was to get take all of his losses up front, then rebound from there up to 2012. In that view the 2010 mid-term election is less important than the following one, and explains why a number of Democratic Congressional incumbents have decided to call it day this year. Any failure to pass legislation post 2010 can be blamed on the GOP if they manage to re-gain either/or majority, which will hasten its fracture as it attempts to put together a competitive ticket for the 2012 presidential run.
I am not sure that tis is a good strategy. I would have thought with 2 wars and several other shadow conflicts ongoing, in the middle of a deep recession, with high unemployment, foreclosures, etc., the last thing needed was to attempt to pass measures that involve tax increases, or at least the perception of tax increases, for the middle and upper classes. I am less preoccupied about government spending in this effort, although it has allowed Obama and Co. to be painted as closet Stalinists hell-bent on expanding state control over people’s lives. Thus, for the strategy outlined to work, the GOP would have to play along by being intransigent, divisive and at times disloyal (and yes, some elements of the Right are indeed that). Since the GOP is basically led by ratings-driven broadcast celebrities with no electoral mandate or public accountability, whose rhetoric outstrips their understanding of the practicalities of political deal-making in a heavily corporatised political system, perhaps this is why the Democrats’ “lose first, then rebound” strategy was put into play (if indeed it was).
All of which is to say that, with 47.3 percent approval as Obama’s possible nadir, the upside of this strategy is huge. Passage of the healthcare bill could mean that the low-water mark has been reached. The GOP has to work to keep that tide receding, and so far it does not appear to have a coherent counter-program with which to do so. Opposition and obstructionism does not make for a coherent praxis with eye to regaining executive power in 34 months
Again, I am not sure if this is going to work for the Democrats, but if true it offers a rationale for the way they are playing the game at present. The bigger problem for them is the impact of unforeseen events or externalities–iran going nuke, Russia laying siege to Georgia, China selling its dollar reserves in a move to the Euro as the reserve currency, the (natural) death of a leading political figure–the range of variables that could negatively impact on the Obama White House is huge. Which is why I would have not chosen to start out his presidency with a “lose first, then rebound” strategy.
March 20th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Tom Hunter: Nobody really cares what stage you get to on kiwiblog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5x52mm_Mannlicher-Carcano
Not a bad calibre but a tad over-rated as a big game round with only one significant kill at present.
[DPF: And another 30 demerits.]
March 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Johnboy, I care about what Tom is referring to, and I also think that what you have posted is totally inappropriate here.
March 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Nothing that Obama is doing right now cannot be reversed if the following two things happen:
– the GOP actually retains it’s (current) spine and begins to tear down the stupidest parts of Obamacare, and starts putting in place things that strengthen individual liberty and thereby naturally weaken government.
– the public gets off the I’ll-vote-for-my-representative-who-brought-me-pork track.
If both do not happen then the US deserves what it gets and it would be unethical in the extreme to wish for the death of a man who is, at worst, appealing to people’s selfishness.
If the ethical aspect does not appeal then try this practical one: hoping for some sad little Oswald-Booth type character to appear, will make as much difference as it would have with any previous president. You could even make the argument that JFK getting killed allowed all the insanity free reign with LBJ – including his godforsaken Great Society. The US right-wing does not need another liberal martyr.
And in the spirit of that pragmatic argument there’s another that can be summarised in three words: President Joe Biden
And I’ll stick with my Steyer-Mannlicher .243 thanks.
March 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
“Johnboy, I care about what Tom is referring to,”
Pete: As I said NOBODY cares.
Tom: I would stick to my 7mm RemMag. Does everything the lesser calibres do but with a bigger bullet.
March 20th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Paul Buchanan – the Krugman of Kiwiblog?
Which is to say that, as interesting as Paul’s cold-blooded, geo-political study is (his field after all) – on the US domestic front his ideological bent is screwing up his analysis, to whit:
So you saw Obama on Oprah, Ellen, and other such shows in 2007 and 2008 – and I’d guess your tear-stained, worn out videotape of those shows sits on piles of well-thumbed copies of Obama profiles in Esquire, Vanity Fair, Ebony, GQ, Rolling Stone,….. and endless, endless editions of Newsweek and Time before he became President?
I refer you to the FireDogLake link above. If even those poor deluded rubes have finally compared four years of rhetoric to reality and found it lacking……
It worked for the Dems from 2004 to 2008.
As opposed to the many senior Democrats who raved about Fahrenheit 9/11, or Howard Dean allowing that Bush may not have directed the 9/11 attacks but probably let them happen, or cuddling up to Moveon.com and their smearing of General Betray-Us, to the extent that the current Sec State actually implied that Petreaus was a liar during his Iraqi surge testimony.
Again – this did not seem to hurt them in 2006 and 2008.
Anyway, perhaps divisiveness, disloyalty and partisanship works? This from a recent New York Times Magazine:
Really Paul – if you’re going to write stuff like this you should just link to Pearlstein, E.J Dionne or Frank Rich and be done with it.
March 20th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Crikey Tom, you are just repeating the same criticisms you leveled at me a few months ago, in the same unpleasant way. Not only are you wrong about how I come to my observations, but you choose to ignore or misread what my point was. I was simply noting what some Dems claim is their strategy and how the GOP can play into their hands.
You seem to have some serious blinkers on. Or do you really think that the W. Bush administration was good for the US and that this administration is patently worse? If so, you and Phil must be hitting the same pipe.
Best you go back to comparing your phallic substitute with Johnboy.
March 20th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Baaaaah 130 points. See yuh folks. 7mm always beats 6mm.
March 20th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Bloody hell Paul
The first part of your comment sounded like you were indeed relating what you’ve heard some Dems claim is their strategy. Perhaps, but not only does it sound like a poor strategy to me – as it does to you – it actually sounds like 20/20 hindsight spin, in that it implies a depth of strategic thinking visible almost nowhere else in the Obama administration.
It certainly does not jell with the overwhelming thoughts and feelings that my Obama-loving friends back in the US had, or the media opinionaters, or the many comments of Democrat politicians themselves, both inside and outside the White House. From all of them I got the clear message that the American people had turned a corner, that they had carried the day, that their ideas were hugely popular, that a mandate had been given, that all would be swept before them as the planet cooled and the seas retreated while America was re-made from top to bottom. Certainly I did not hear anybody express the opinion that it would get this bad this fast for them.
Maybe they were deluding themselves as much as their believers?
The theory aside, you then extended off it to take a few judicious shots at the Republican oppositon – and it sounded exactly like you were just repeating the same criticisms you leveled against them some months ago – so I saw no need to produce any new response. As I’ve pointed out both times, that really is just a pot-kettle-black argument worthy only of partisan hack like Rich.
Oh please. Having spent time on the South Side, you’re not that delicate surely? I realise that Kiwiblog discussion does not rise to the level of the faculty lounge but I refuse to be any more impressed by the phrase ‘willfully disingenuous’ than I am of “liar”.
Awful for the US – but my critique is from a right-wing perspective.
Patently.
I don’t think you need to so obviously bare your scars from Womens Studies 101, and ….. sometimes a rifle is just a rifle
March 20th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
In the same way that Labour was going to win in 2008? Hey, the prediction was nearly two years ago. Is this year two..of eight..of failed predictions..? Stick to the bong phillip, your brainpower is better spent working it.
But yeah, this is gonna end up passing, and the legacy of continuing massive overspends resulting from Bammy’s idealism will be a political issue long after he passes away of old age.