Thoughts on the Chauvel story

March 17th, 2010 at 10:33 am by David Farrar
  1. The story would not have made both TV channels if the MP didn’t respond by accusing two of his own (wannabee) constituents of being bad parents. A response to the blog post of “I don’t recall it quite like that but I regret if any offence was taken” would have killed the matter. A Helen Clark apology where you say you regret any offence is often the best way to kill a story.
  2. It is hard to take the moral high ground about MPs should not have such relatively trivial stories blogged about them, when Labour MPs on their own parliamentary blog are running a story about a National MP text messaging during some road opening.
  3. It is a fact of life that as an MP you should be polite in all your encounters with the public – the example I always give to candidates is that being an MP means you can no longer give someone the fingers if they steal a carpark from you or cut in front of you in traffic.
  4. With a story like this, it is not about “winning” the story, but not having it as a story at all. Even if 60% of people back you, and 40% do not, none of the 60% who back you are going to then vote for you because of it, while it is quite possible a fair segment of the 40% minority may be put off supporting you.
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60 Responses to “Thoughts on the Chauvel story”

  1. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    Is anybody ACTUALLY running Labour at the moment or is it just a free for all?
    The way it appears, is Goff is the Labour spokesman/person and that’s it.

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  2. Auberon (868 comments) says:

    I was amused to hear TV3′s new political reporter Patrick Gower describing Chauvel’s actions as “not a hanging offfence.” Well, of course it wasn’t, but then again, thank goodness no one was faced with the challenge of that course of action. You couldn’t hang Charles Chauvel. The man hasn’t got a neck.

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  3. andrei (2,499 comments) says:

    Mr Chauvel is a list MP which means he can piss off the electors all he wants. The people he can’t afford to piss off is the Party Bosses who will determine his list position.

    Which is why I hate MMP – incidentally

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  4. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    Andrei, he can still piss off potential party voters. And that should worry Party Bosses, if they aspire to be Country Bosses.

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  5. wreck1080 (3,725 comments) says:

    It is nigh on impossible to control kids on a plane sometimes.

    They get over-tired after being hauled through a car trip/check-in/security etc…

    Over-tiredness is a strange state of being for a child, they cannot sleep (can’t work that one out, but I have found if our child misses normal sleep time they sometimes cannot sleep), and they lose self control .

    I hope this Chauvel did not vote on anti-smacking, he obviously does not understand children.

    In fact, no one can ever understand children without having had them.

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  6. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    I would like to hear from other people on the plane because at the moment the only thing we’re seeing is people tellign what their poltical polarity is.

    It’s very clear that someone is lying.

    As always though some doomed to be childless socialist is telling other people how to raise their kids ON OUR DIME.

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  7. Inventory2 (10,092 comments) says:

    This story would have smouldered away on the blogs for a day or two, then quietly died. That was, of course, until Charles Chauvel came along with his can of petrol and poured the contents on the embers. I suspect he will have received a text or two from the Big Apple today suggesting that he pulls his head in.

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  8. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    wreck1080 –

    In fact, no one can ever understand children without having had them.

    So true. Before we had kids I thought I knew all about them coming from a fairly fecund family. I was disabused of that notion when we got the first one home from the hospital and wondered what the hell we had to do next. I remember my son, at nine, being so tired from the trip home from the US that he lost the power of intelligible speech. For four days after we got home he slept for 16 hours a day.

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  9. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    The tragic thing is this is as significant as Charles Chauvel will ever be.

    What a waste of space, time, money and oh two.

    Speaking of which it must time for the left to appear and start throwing abuse about isn’t it? they don’t need information or facts, just spin.

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  10. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    andrei – not if a MP aspires to an electorate as Charles does. An electorate MP is taken far more seriously than a list MP and can become very powerful in their parties. An electorate MP who does a good job and is well respected will attract a high vote, even from those who do not support his or her party. Just look at Nick Smith, Maurice Williamson, Rodney Hide, Jim Anderton, etc.

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  11. eszett (2,331 comments) says:

    Thoughts on the Chauvel story

    1. The story would not have made both TV channels if the MP didn’t respond by accusing two of his own (wannabee) constituents of being bad parents. A response to the blog post of “I don’t recall it quite like that but I regret if any offence was taken” would have killed the matter. A Helen Clark apology where you say you regret any offence is often the best way to kill a story.

    I thoughy it actually took of after Close Up contacted the blogger.
    Bit of a red herring here about the media.

    It is a blogger who started this non-story, other bloggers who ran with it.

    I don’t think that Chauvel needs to accuse them of being bad parents, they kind of did that themselves, didn’t they? By going public with the story rather than reflecting on themselves and how their children behave in public. They received quite a bit of heat and not just along party lines.

    And then the blogger not having the balls to front on the camera, but sending his wife really takes the biscuit.
    I can understand that he doesn’t want his name and face on camera, but then don’t do the interview at all.

    All this was, was trying to score a cheap shot.

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  12. Jeff83 (770 comments) says:

    My thoughts on the story: shows how shit the tv media are that this is the ‘lead story’. And closeup, when will someone just shut it down and be done with it.

    Considering there are so many ‘real’ issues which are currently not being debated properly i.e. the Supercity, the inconsistencies in how much minerals there really are to be dug up ($4 – 7b vs $110b), but yet we care about someone complaining about a kid crying.

    Anyway I guess we need to have our politics turned into woman day, with the party in power and their PR spin doctors (cough) rubbing their hands.

    Hook, line and sinker.

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  13. Chris2 (754 comments) says:

    We have come a long way from the days when Muldoon took a swing at a protester, and we all cheered him on!

    This affair is only in the news because the person who complained about noisy children on a flight is a left-wing Labour politician, and the parent of the children is a right-wing ACT supporter.

    The story only developed legs because the father (an orthopediac surgeon) decided to anonymously have a pop at Chauvel on a blog site. Would he have done this if he did not recognise the MP as a politician whose politics he did not agree with? I think not.

    In writing what he did, Dr Fred Phillps Jr. consciously chose to enter the bear-pit of politics.

    Chauvel has appeared on TV, radio and the print media to answer journalist questions about the allegations. His accuser has not.

    It is interesting that Dr Phillips has not fronted the media, but has instead had his wife do all the talking despite her comment in this morning’s NZ Herald that “she did not hear any comments from Mr Chauvel”.

    Dr Phillips credibility remains in question – firstly, an anonymous blog posting making an allegations against an MP, then his failure to backup his claims by appearing before the media, then leaving it to his wife who says she did not even hear the comments her husband complained about.

    Perhaps Dr Phillips should stick to surgery, and leave politics alone.

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  14. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    A two, three and four year old on a plane at the same time! Now that would be a good episode of ‘Survivor’.

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  15. KiwiGreg (3,169 comments) says:

    “Perhaps Dr Phillips should stick to surgery, and leave politics alone.”

    Maybe in your world all “wrong thinkers” should stay out of politics. That tends to be the end game for the left.

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  16. Chris2 (754 comments) says:

    No no KiwiGreg, I’m saying that in politics its doesn’t matter what you think, but do be prepared to defend it.

    And unlike Chauvel, that is what Dr Phillips has failed to do.

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  17. Jeff83 (770 comments) says:

    Its ok Chris2 on KB its only ok to expose the motivations when ones accuser is a labour party person, OR a beneficiary.

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  18. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    THis is one of the most pathetic ludicrous stories there has been in the media for a long time. An ACT activist makes a trivial allegation against a Labour MP. The MP’s description of it suggests that it is even more trivial than alleged.

    The ACT activist’s kids were described as noisy by others. And the story is?

    They should be using this media space to be talking about the ramming and sinking of a New Zealand boat and the imprisonment of its Kiwi captain by the Japanese.

    [DPF: Actually I thought is was on a par with a Labour activist jumping in front of a National MP's vehicle in the Wairarapa and then claiming his life was at risk, and that becoming a story]

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  19. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    It’s amazing that this got picked up by the LSM at all. I thought they couldn’t get any worse, but they seem determined to drag themselves down. The real story is the death of journalism in NZ

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  20. Chris Diack (723 comments) says:

    DPF is right.

    Charles gave the story legs.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with MMP – there were (and are) arrogant safe Electorate MPs.

    What is really disturbing about this story is Charles attempting to make it about politics.

    His annoyance is justifiable or excusable or is not the story because this is “all about politics” – it’s an “ACT party nasty” trying to have a poke. Everything is political, everything is partisan, everyone has a political angle.

    This is very unappealing.

    Even if all of this is so – rise above it Charles and be gracious and generous.

    Most people who travel by air will confront parents with young children. I marvel about how they cope. It’s also rare in the scheme of things that there is a real problem.

    I would hate not to see Children about for they are the very essence of life even when they play up or are bit hyper.

    If Charles were smart he would simply have apologised for being a bit thin skinned, reflected and acknowledged how modern parents have a hard job for which he is grateful and then quietly invited the family to dinner with him and give them a tour.

    Get to know the family a bit – consistent with the very best kiwi way.

    Now that would be class act.

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  21. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    Micky

    “THis is one of the most pathetic ludicrous stories there has been in the media for a long time. ”

    Will you say the same thing next time the left beat up a story about one of the Nat’s or an ACT MP?

    Of course you won’t, so stop bitching about the very thing that the left invented, you people are getting a dose of your own medicine for once, I can only speak for myself but I am loving it.

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  22. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    I am nothing to do with Act:

    perhaps, Mickey, you can tell us what is the relevance of Dr Phillips’s political views in this situation?

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  23. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    “THis is one of the most pathetic ludicrous stories there has been in the media for a long time. ”

    I agree with that. But it is the game that some of your friends are trying to play as much as anyone else. Isn’t it?

    Gutter politics can flow both ways. And it’s hard to control, I doubt the intention of the initial blog was to do much more than vent off a bit, it just happened to get picked up by the media.

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  24. George Patton (347 comments) says:

    The reason the story got legs is not just because Chauvel mishandled the response.

    The story got legs because its perfectly easy to believe that a Labour MP is arrogant and out-of-touch, doesn’t understand children and is more concerned with themselves than others.

    Frankly, there was a price to pay for Labour’s appalling behaviour (especially in their final term), and they are going to keep paying for it for some time yet.

    National should be very thankful that Labour’s ranks are littered with people who are now so easy to dislike.

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  25. slightlyright (93 comments) says:

    It’s played brillantly into Nationals hands without them having to do a thing.

    In essence its out of touch jumped up “childless” fairy boy and “partner” cannot handle dealing with mainstream NZ Family with Kids.

    No wonder JK is smiling so much these days, its these type of endless own goals that are turning voters off Labour.

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  26. poneke (280 comments) says:

    A two, three and four year old on a plane at the same time! Now that would be a good episode of ‘Survivor’.

    It shows they were not breast fed.

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  27. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    The commenters complaining that Dr Phillips didn’t front the media may not be aware that yesterday he was on a plane to the US. His wife only spoke to the media after Charles Chauvel accused her of being a bad parent, as if he would know.

    His constant appearances on TV have only made matters worse, for him and for Labour. This has once again demonstrated just how out of touch labour is with the electorate, thier advanced entitle-itis, and how bereft of actual leadership there is with in Labour.

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  28. GwimWeeper (3 comments) says:

    What is pathetic and ludicrous is the NZ Herald persisting in reporting all day in their website story headed ” Charles in charge” that :

    “Apparently, blogger Clint Heine was on the flight with his children and Mr Chauvel took exception to the children’s noise. Heine says the MP twice wondered loudly if the kids could “shut up” and then asked his companion”- again, loudly “I don’t know why they let them up here!” ”

    This despite me ( and I have no doubt others) commenting that they have the father’s identity wrong. All such comments seem to be censored.

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  29. Russell Brown (403 comments) says:

    DPF is right.

    Charles gave the story legs.

    No, DPF, keen for a distraction from the week’s bad news about the ATA debacle, gave the story legs. Close Up’s reporter left a message in comments on the blog in question. The subsequent “story”, featuring a “reconstruction” of the seating plan with kitchen furniture, was possibly an all-time low point for television current affairs.

    Chauvel could clearly have done without it, but it’s ludicrous to declare that he should have gone into hiding once TV decided it had a story. And the public sentiment clearly hasn’t been running all against him.

    The most amusing part of the whole sorry business has been watching Clint Heine pleading for decorum and respect. I think I went into irony overload at that point.

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  30. Russell Brown (403 comments) says:

    [DPF: Actually I thought is was on a par with a Labour activist jumping in front of a National MP's vehicle in the Wairarapa and then claiming his life was at risk, and that becoming a story]

    The activist in question was generally regarded as am embarrassing adolescent. You may wish to reconsider comparing yourself with him.

    [DPF: I won't comment on the perception of Mr Sleep, but I was not comparing me to him. I did not create this story, and only blogged on it after the TV channels expressed interest in it. My comment was that the media have done this sort of thing before, so both sides of politics have had to endure stories that should not be news worthy.]

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  31. Chris2 (754 comments) says:

    Whaleoil – it seems Dr Phillips likes to travel as much as politicians do – Sunday night he flies Auckland-Wellington back home, then Tuesday he flies back to Auckland, then onto the USA.

    And because he is a surgeon, most of his income is from the taxpayer, just like the politicians.

    [DPF: He works in private practice as well as public, and from what I know of the health sector doubt the bulk of his income comes from the public sector side]

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  32. tvb (4,196 comments) says:

    Kids on planes and in restaurants are a pest no doubt about that, so I sympathise with Chauvel. Airlines could manage this by not allowing kids on flights when there are likely to be a lot of full fare paying passengers say first thing on the morning and during the 5-7 hour at night. And of course they should be banned from restaurants except McDonalds/KFC/Burger King and Subway.

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  33. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (553 comments) says:

    Gee tvb, why don’t we just ban having kids?

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  34. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    Gee tvb, why don’t we just ban having kids?

    I think that is already Green party policy.

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  35. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Kids ah.. your got to love em.. doesn’t mean I have to love yours.. the little shits.
    Sometimes people just need to be told.

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  36. poneke (280 comments) says:

    [DPF: He works in private practice as well as public, and from what I know of the health sector doubt the bulk of his income comes from the public sector side]

    Gosh David, despite your whole troll farm being here to support this snivelling snark, you seem to be hovering all over your comments section for once to quickly add your own rebuttals.

    Mate of yours, I suppose. Nothing wrong with standing up for your mates. But on this one, you appear pathetic.

    [DPF: Never met him. Never had any contact with him before yesterday. Only found his name out from reading it in comments here. So be careful of leaping to assumptions]

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  37. kowtow (7,583 comments) says:

    The left complaining about bad parenting……..ha ha ha as the good book says you reap as you sow. These bastards want it every which way, undermine the family ,parental authority,introducing the notion of rights for all and sundry and then cry foul when the wheel falls off. On the streets ,in schools, prisons brimming,social services swamped. But then it impinges on my little oh so closetted world and it’s SHUT UP.

    Note the lefties dont like it when one of their own is a target,then we get the attempt to silence and/or redirect the story. As their old hero Stalin once said to a critical air force officer “you shouldn’t have said that” before sending him to the firing squad. Free speech for me but not for thee. Thank God we live in a democracy!

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  38. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Curious that either the MSM have not asked John Key for a comment or else he has declined to offer them one. I can well recall the PM-with-an-opinion-on-everything having always an ascerbic (maybe even acidic and corrosive) comment on any matter that might have been in-house in another party.

    Key’s silence (unwillingness to twist the knife that is thrust into his hand) is a refreshing change.

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  39. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    despite your whole troll farm being here to support this snivelling snark

    You seem unusually snarky yourself, are you close to something in the story? “Pathetic accusations” can have more than one meaning.

    If you bothered to read through the posts you would see there is a range of opinions. Some may even be expressed more reasonably than yours.

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  40. George Patton (347 comments) says:

    Labour have no right to complain. I see on their odious little blog that their MPs have been whinging about not being able to speak at some Pacific Island festival in Auckland. A complete non-story that they were trying to beat up.

    Sauce for the goose and all that.

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  41. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (553 comments) says:

    In regard to the lefties, you have to turn to those immortal words of Private Jones…..”They don’t like it up ‘em!”.

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  42. poneke (280 comments) says:

    Ah well, Bingle is back at the top of the news. New Zealand must be safe again. From what I am not sure. Certainly not the news media.

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  43. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    But then it impinges on my little oh so closetted world and it’s SHUT UP.

    I think you will find in this case the MP in question is not so closetted.

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  44. SHG (359 comments) says:

    I think every air traveller has at some point gritted his or her teeth about a crying baby or misbehaving child. (I certainly have.) As a parent I’ve also prayed to every supernatural being I could bring to mind, while walking through Departures, that my child would not turn into some screaming demon-possessed terror at 20,000 feet.

    The only two elements to the story that get my attention, as a travelling parent, are:

    1. Chauvel speaking angrily to the children. If I’m on a plane and my children bother someone, he or she speaks to ME.

    2. “I don’t know why they let them up here”. Now that’s just infuriating and reminds me why I voted against Labour for the first time in my life. Those parents paid for their seats AND FOR CHAUVEL. Had I been one of the parents, I would have reminded Chauvel of that fact and told him to sit down, put in some earplugs, and STFU.

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  45. poneke (280 comments) says:

    1. Chauvel speaking angrily to the children. If I’m on a plane and my children bother someone, he or she speaks to ME.

    And here is the perfect example of how the spinmeisters have worked their black magic.

    It is undisputed that Chauvel merely muttered to his partner.

    ACTivist Fred Phillips overheard the muttering. Even his wife admitted she did not hear anything, but was only told what Chauvel allegedly said by her husband.

    But the media, and now passers by on David’s blog, believe the spin that Chauvel engaged in “speaking angrily to the children.”

    I hereby invoke Godwin. Goebbels would be proud.

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  46. SHG (359 comments) says:

    From the father’s account:

    20 minutes into the flight I hear the first, hissed,,,,,”Will you just shut up!” This I think was directed at my 2 year old in row 1 (…) 40 minutes a more vocal…..”Will you just shut up!”

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  47. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Ah Poneke, I admire your spirited defence of the “victim” in this non-story.

    I look forward to your equally even-handed support for the next political victime of a media beat-up when (if) they happen to sit on the other side of the political divide.

    The real problem is that there is really nothing else suitable for public entertainment available that hasn’t been declared to be unnacceptable in this limp-wristed, PC, some-would-say-deviant world that we have made for ourselves. I would dispute Micky Savages 11:40am alternative to the extent that the answer lies in acceptance of personal responsibility for one’s actions and that is not a space inhabited by Mickey. Perhaps a public flogging of some drink drivers or town square executions of drug dealers would put things in perspective.

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  48. Chuck Bird (4,666 comments) says:

    In case anyone has not see the excellent editorial in the Timaru Herald.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/opinion/3460857/Seen-and-not-heard

    How can anyone think that list MP Charles Chauvel represents parents?

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  49. Pete George (22,753 comments) says:

    Yes, I’d seen that Chuck, and thought it was one of the better things written on this issue. I think increasing intolerance is a symptom of an increasingly bubbelised world. “Road rage” from within automobubbles is another example.

    Chauvelistic behaviour is perhaps expressing ignorant annoyance.

    The other thing this issue highlights, the big story the MSM will never tell, is how pathetically trivialised news coverage has become. Because that’s what the people want, of course. Or – they get what they deserve?

    Interesting that apparently TVNZ want to reduce the program they run from 6pm-7pm down to half an hour, but they are scared to do it on their own and want TV3 to agree to do the same thing. Ah well, there may not be much difference between 10 minutes news and 5 minutes news.

    Of course it wouldn’t enter their heads to halve the number of presenters and live coverage reports chatting to each other while the try and put on a show – last night TV3 had someone reporting from Fiji trying to look like they were in a hurricane, but there was no rain and little wind at the time.

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  50. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Airlines could manage this by not allowing kids on flights when there are likely to be a lot of full fare paying passengers say first thing on the morning and during the 5-7 hour at night.

    Hmmm, kid vs a full fare paying passenger, which takes precedence considering most airlines charge over 2′s at the full rate anyway?

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  51. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    My 2c about the whole saga. The times that I have flown with my children, if my youngest was upset (ears popping, etc), the hostesses where quick to come over and see if there was anything they could do to help. Surely one would have heard these children if they were behaving disruptively as Chuck suggests.

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  52. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Of all the screeds written about this matter what sticks out is that many New Zealanders fly often and most have a war story or two far worse than this case could have been. Few consider themselves so precious that they have got pissy about it though which is really why it got legs and ran ………. and ran ………. and ran.

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  53. SHG (359 comments) says:

    IS IT COS HE IS A BENDER?

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  54. Chris Diack (723 comments) says:

    Only Wussell Brown (so called media commentator) could dream up a grand conspiracy between DPF, the young family and Charles to get this story into the media so as to fill space otherwise occupied by an ATA story.

    And what ATA story? So fixing all the computers in the region will cost a mint and can’t be done in under a year. Hey Sherlock….

    Or the cost of the transition: quarter of the time suggested by the Royal Commission and probably less than half the cost. Oh yeah big story there.

    Any media commentator can see moaning loudly on a flight only became a negative story because of Charles’ behaviour. Simple. If he applied the smarts he has it could have been a win.

    Of course Wussell thought Judith Tizard was hot stuff.

    Less of a commentator more of an actor.

    DPF is right. Its blindingly.

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  55. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    The vast right-wing conspiracy strikes again!

    Funny thing is watching the Liarbore activists whine about the press getting its stories from the rightist blogs.

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  56. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    THis is one of the most pathetic ludicrous stories there has been in the media for a long time.

    Forgotten the Richard Worth debacle?

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  57. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    so many opinions, so little tolerance

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  58. Chuck Bird (4,666 comments) says:

    I see the Honourable Christopher Finlayson has stepped into the debate and supported his fellow homosexual mate’s verbal abuse of young children. He says that some children (he used a more derogatory name) had bothered him on aircraft. I would have hoped Finlayson’s loyalty would lie with those who voted him in not someone with similar sexual preference in an opposition political party.

    He stated that that when in similar situations he had buttoned his lip so he would not be in a situation like his honourable colleague. Well there is there is nothing honourable about Chauvel and he does not hold that title according to the Labour website.

    Finlayson may have the title but he is not very bright. If parents allow children to run wild on an aircraft there are other alternatives to Chauvel’s or just putting up with it. If Finlayson cannot quickly work these out he not fit to be in Parliament let alone a Minister of the Crown.

    While I on the topic on suitable ministers how many underage Muslim girls have to be raped with parent’s consent to consummate a marriage does Mr Power’s think have to occur before he thinks the police should take action? I am of course refereeing to the resent Sunday show.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news

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  59. Clint Heine (1,563 comments) says:

    Poneke, you pride yourself in being some sort of journalist… but so far you have been wrong on every single part of this story. Stick to inhaling bus fumes :)

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  60. Crusader (275 comments) says:

    Any parent can recall nightmare journeys with their kids. Often not anyone’s “fault”, it’s just how kids are. Even normally “good” kids.
    And who knows if this kid had autistic spectrum disorder leading to claustrophobia type situation or perhaps an ear infection that was causing pain, etc, etc???

    To say “I don’t know why they let them up here” or words to that effect show an absolute lack of empathy or insight.
    (I suppose there is no qualification of common sense to be a list MP, you just need to suck up to the right people.)
    Basically by his ill-tempered outburst, Chauvel has earned the “prize plonker of the week” tag, which will take a while to live down.

    BTW – who was paying for Chauvel’s ticket anyway?

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