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		<title>By: bobberesford.com</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-715196</link>
		<dc:creator>bobberesford.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our justice system sucks...badly. it operates as an Employment Scheme for lawyers, while truth is often suppressed. Really it&#039;s often a contest of which side can lie best or pull the best legal tricks. The fact that judges are ex lawyers who have therefore routinely lied and re-arranged reality at huge hourly rates   ( $150 an hour on legal aid up to $1000 an hour for a QC ) doesn&#039;t help.

It was always clear there&#039;d be a big claim for millions in compensation ...and Joe Karam would want to do a movie ( David never did ) after years of &#039;Trial by Television &#039;. Main thing now in  a compensation case would be to get David to talk.

I was inside this case for years and visited David in prison, as one of his main benefactors, though gratefully never part of JK&#039;s publicity campaign. It&#039;s complex, and the &#039;facts&#039; are often quoted wrongly but there&#039;s certainly strong indicators pointing to David - for at least some of what happened.

This case has cost the country a heap, incl in the legal aid, so it probably deserves an unbiased enquiry. ( The Brian Bruce doco was wrong on some things, right on some, inept on others. And that last witness is obviously lying.  )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our justice system sucks&#8230;badly. it operates as an Employment Scheme for lawyers, while truth is often suppressed. Really it&#8217;s often a contest of which side can lie best or pull the best legal tricks. The fact that judges are ex lawyers who have therefore routinely lied and re-arranged reality at huge hourly rates   ( $150 an hour on legal aid up to $1000 an hour for a QC ) doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>It was always clear there&#8217;d be a big claim for millions in compensation &#8230;and Joe Karam would want to do a movie ( David never did ) after years of &#8216;Trial by Television &#8216;. Main thing now in  a compensation case would be to get David to talk.</p>
<p>I was inside this case for years and visited David in prison, as one of his main benefactors, though gratefully never part of JK&#8217;s publicity campaign. It&#8217;s complex, and the &#8216;facts&#8217; are often quoted wrongly but there&#8217;s certainly strong indicators pointing to David &#8211; for at least some of what happened.</p>
<p>This case has cost the country a heap, incl in the legal aid, so it probably deserves an unbiased enquiry. ( The Brian Bruce doco was wrong on some things, right on some, inept on others. And that last witness is obviously lying.  )</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-696245</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 01:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go here: http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/news/explanation-of-extraordinary-circumstances for an explanation of extraordinary circumstances in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go here: <a href="http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/news/explanation-of-extraordinary-circumstances" rel="nofollow">http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/news/explanation-of-extraordinary-circumstances</a> for an explanation of extraordinary circumstances in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-684010</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Innocent until proven guilty... unless it costs the government money to cock up a case.

Having said that Bain is really pushing his luck and the Joe Karam traveling road show of victimhood should pack up its tent and stop peddling snake oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innocent until proven guilty&#8230; unless it costs the government money to cock up a case.</p>
<p>Having said that Bain is really pushing his luck and the Joe Karam traveling road show of victimhood should pack up its tent and stop peddling snake oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Haiku Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683952</link>
		<dc:creator>Haiku Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the cops who put dave 
in THAT sweater should get a
comedy award]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cops who put dave<br />
in THAT sweater should get a<br />
comedy award</p>
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		<title>By: Haiku Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683951</link>
		<dc:creator>Haiku Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[imitation is
sincere form of flattery
but not a haiku]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imitation is<br />
sincere form of flattery<br />
but not a haiku</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683948</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In no way do I think Bain can come close to showing innocence on the balance of probabilities but I am a little concerned by the high threshold.  If you&#039;ve been locked up for a few years and you can show on balance that you are innocent then you should be entitled to compensation.  That&#039;s the standard to right any other civil wrong so I do not see why it should be different for someone found Not Guilty in a re trial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In no way do I think Bain can come close to showing innocence on the balance of probabilities but I am a little concerned by the high threshold.  If you&#8217;ve been locked up for a few years and you can show on balance that you are innocent then you should be entitled to compensation.  That&#8217;s the standard to right any other civil wrong so I do not see why it should be different for someone found Not Guilty in a re trial.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;David Tamihere and Scott Watson are exactly where they should be, I suspect that neither of them are guilty of the crimes that sent them down but every once in a while the public get a little bit of natural or poetic justice going their way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is it natural justice if the real killers have gotten away scott-free, at large to kill again, the families never know what happened to their children or get their bodies back, someone spends &#039;life&#039; in prison for murders they didn&#039;t commit and the lives of their families are ruined?

But that&#039;s ok. Scott Watson was a bit of a wanker. Apparently. At least that&#039;s what I heard from rumours, many of which it turns out were put about by police.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>David Tamihere and Scott Watson are exactly where they should be, I suspect that neither of them are guilty of the crimes that sent them down but every once in a while the public get a little bit of natural or poetic justice going their way.</p></blockquote>
<p>How is it natural justice if the real killers have gotten away scott-free, at large to kill again, the families never know what happened to their children or get their bodies back, someone spends &#8216;life&#8217; in prison for murders they didn&#8217;t commit and the lives of their families are ruined?</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s ok. Scott Watson was a bit of a wanker. Apparently. At least that&#8217;s what I heard from rumours, many of which it turns out were put about by police.</p>
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		<title>By: Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683944</link>
		<dc:creator>Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kiwis are a funny lot, dont like crims, but dont like to believe a convicted murderer is a murderer either…&quot;

bang on]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kiwis are a funny lot, dont like crims, but dont like to believe a convicted murderer is a murderer either…&#8221;</p>
<p>bang on</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683941</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dime should get a spine
he took my line
go whine to a pine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dime should get a spine<br />
he took my line<br />
go whine to a pine</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683940</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter Burns seems to speak about himself in the 3rd though. thats my routine dammit!

Kiwis are a funny lot, dont like crims, but dont like to believe a convicted murderer is a murderer either...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Burns seems to speak about himself in the 3rd though. thats my routine dammit!</p>
<p>Kiwis are a funny lot, dont like crims, but dont like to believe a convicted murderer is a murderer either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Haiku Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683939</link>
		<dc:creator>Haiku Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as for david wayne
tamihere - he&#039;d be best
in a secure zoo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as for david wayne<br />
tamihere &#8211; he&#8217;d be best<br />
in a secure zoo</p>
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		<title>By: Haiku Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683938</link>
		<dc:creator>Haiku Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hear scott watson
was rude to girls and didn&#039;t 
file his tax return]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hear scott watson<br />
was rude to girls and didn&#8217;t<br />
file his tax return</p>
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		<title>By: Haiku Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683937</link>
		<dc:creator>Haiku Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think the bains were
killed by david, robin, phil
goff or redbaiter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the bains were<br />
killed by david, robin, phil<br />
goff or redbaiter</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683935</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are all waiting big blouse. Why people bother with the crackpot is beyond belief. The know all is a blow hard tugger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all waiting big blouse. Why people bother with the crackpot is beyond belief. The know all is a blow hard tugger.</p>
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		<title>By: nickb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683933</link>
		<dc:creator>nickb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Care to elaborate on WAtson and Tamihere BB? Havent followed these cases much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to elaborate on WAtson and Tamihere BB? Havent followed these cases much.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Bird</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683932</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BB, you never answered my question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, you never answered my question.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683931</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter Burns does not answer questions from blog cowards like you big blouse.
Ask me face to face a question and I will answer. Not your style eh cowardly smear. What a disgrace you are. Get some help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Burns does not answer questions from blog cowards like you big blouse.<br />
Ask me face to face a question and I will answer. Not your style eh cowardly smear. What a disgrace you are. Get some help.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683930</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typical, you never answer questions D4J...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical, you never answer questions D4J&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683928</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry big blouse - don&#039;t answer cowards who don&#039;t have a real name. Get a grip you ego cowardly blogsmear.
Peter Burns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry big blouse &#8211; don&#8217;t answer cowards who don&#8217;t have a real name. Get a grip you ego cowardly blogsmear.<br />
Peter Burns.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/bain_faces_steep_hurdle.html/comment-page-1#comment-683927</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would you know about injustice D4J?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would you know about injustice D4J?</p>
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