A question

May 13th, 2010 at 7:03 pm by David Farrar

When ran their story tonight on closing off enrolments, did they not know the student they interviewed () talking about his anger was the International Secretary of Young Labour, and Judith Tizard’s former electorate agent?

Or did they just decide it wasn’t relevant?

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62 Responses to “A question”

  1. Sideoiler (74 comments) says:

    Id Be prepared to bet they knew.
    I would say he probably rang them to get the story out.

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  2. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    Or did they just decide it wasn’t relevant?

    If we add this to Radio NZ on tax, should we really be bothering to ask such a question any longer?

    As an addendum to my suggestion this morning – could we package RNZ and TVNZ together for a sale?

    Seriously – they’re going to slowly bleed an already weak National party to death by attacking even the smallest pieces of any right-wing agenda.

    We might as well have the comfort of not paying for it.

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  3. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    For sale RNZ and TVNZ. Well past time the bias lefty state mouth pieces got shut down. The socialist media is sickening to witness.

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  4. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    I thought he was a chick…

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  5. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    the disturbing thing is.. i find tv3 more left wing and they are a private company.

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  6. Dibbo (10 comments) says:

    I can’t agree more with dad4justice…TV1 news is just appalling. I mean really, to suggest the PM was trying to suggest the Tuhoe are cannibals is just a nonsense. Why do we have to endure this rubbish night after night? Sooner they cut the news back to 30 minutes the better.

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  7. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    I must have missed your explanation of exactly how it is relevant. Perhaps you could repeat it?

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  8. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    yeah becuase milt would not be foaming at the mouth if they asked an Act member for comment on a labour policy and did not disclose.

    thats right, national bad, labour good right?

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  9. Kingi (142 comments) says:

    What a load of bull. Whether or not he’s involved in Labour or not, and whether he worked for JT is totally IRRELEVANT to the nature of the story. The nature of the story was about the VUW deciding to close enrolments for the remainder of the year. Pretty shoddy attempt to discredit what is a perfectly valid grievance.

    I don’t recall you questioning Close Up’s convenient decision to “forget” that the students they showed ripping off the taxpayer by investing their student loan money, earlier in the year, were all members of Act on Campus. Double standards much?!

    [DPF: Shouldn't you also disclose your affiliation? And I did not see the Close Up programme you refer to. If they were,then yes]

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  10. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,070 comments) says:

    When TV3 interview you as a ‘blogger and political commentator’ do they not know you’re the national party’s pollster?

    [DPF: I think they know I am centre right, that is why they interview me. And that is different to interviewing someone as a random person affected by a Govt decision.

    But hey if you think it would have been fine to have the YN President interviewed condemning interest free loans, and have him portrayed as a typical student, go for it]

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  11. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    When DPF is interviewed he is referred to as a “right wing blogger”, however loose that definition actually applies.

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  12. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    More to the point, why didn’t Caleb enroll at the start of the year like normal students?

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  13. WilliamPitt (25 comments) says:

    Kingi is right, the fact this guy/girl Tutty creature is in bed with the pinkos makes no difference to the fact that the bastards at Vic Uni are stopping people from going to Uni. My daughter was hoping to start at Vic this coming semester, passed Lv3. with excellence but decided to work for half a year to support her studies. He had a valid complaint.

    Kingi’s point about those Act On Campus idiots ripping off the taxpayer is also true.

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  14. WilliamPitt (25 comments) says:

    Shove off Grizz, that is why the Uni offers three semesters (with papers lasting one semester)… so that people can fit it in around work/lives.

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  15. Monty (978 comments) says:

    David you said “Or did they just decide it wasn’t relevant?”

    since October 2008 nothis associated with Labour is relevant.

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  16. aardvark (417 comments) says:

    News? News? They have news on TV now?

    First I heard of it.

    All I’ve seen is that dross that runs from 6pm to 7:30pm and masquerades as news. You know, the 90-second sound bites and snippets of video that hint at news but deliver nothing.

    Of course TVNZ didn’t know — to know they’d have had to have done research and that’s what *real* news involves.

    News? I see no news.

    And now another cute animal story….

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  17. petal (706 comments) says:

    Another question.

    Why do all of you watch the news? Really?

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  18. francis (712 comments) says:

    Should have been simple enough, if the issue is what Tutty said it was, to find equally outraged students and not risk putting up someone whose outrage could be dismissed as manufactured to suit Labour’s agenda. [ And now, for a man in the street reaction to the coalition government, I have someone found by chance shopping on High Street, David, David Cameron. Mr Cameron, what chances do you give of this government going forward for five years?]

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  19. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    Praise be to Uni education. Only that helps us to raise the IQ on both sides of the Tasman. Remove the impediments, every one of them.

    BTW, interest-free student loans isn’t one of them. National selfishly decided to continue Liarbore’s blatant bribe instead of biting the bullet, popularity-wise.

    Selfish in that the increasingly shrinking number of us who are NET taxpayers foot the bill. Why?

    These are young, strong, capable, dynamic people. They can shoulder their fair share by paying a little interest in return for our largesse and they have their whole lifetime to pay it off. The Nat’s calculation is clearly based, like Liarbore’s, on the granny’s and parents of these future dynamos, who would turn away from any party that “hurt” the flower of their loins.

    Fuck that. What’s good about ACT is it doesn’t pretend that that argument isn’t bullshit and then insult those of us who think by trying to put lipstick on it.

    Have to say I’m rapidly losing patience with those who pretend otherwise or merely refuse to even argue the point, which is what almost every journalist does. WTF is wrong with the “guardians” of the fourth estate? Lost your balls?

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  20. Ferdinand (93 comments) says:

    Between this and trying to OIA the name of that standard author and supporting Bennett releasing personal financial details of beneficiaries to the media you’re starting to look a bit stazi there David.

    It reminds me of the kind of control-freak paranoia labour showed in their final days.

    I also agree with what Daniel Mclauchlan says about your double standards.

    [DPF: Yes using Google to point out someone is a partisan activist is just like the Stasi. Such a terrible thing to do.]

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  21. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    My wife claims my shouting at the TV News and their presenters is causing people in the neighbourhood concern, and I am therefore forbidden to watch the TV News any more. Life is so much simpler, facts are clearer, and the Blood pressure has descended dramatically.

    Can I suggest you all do the same? At least that way one is spared labour, Goff, the Maoris and Tuhoi and their crass stupidity.

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  22. Kingi (142 comments) says:

    Tuhoe*

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  23. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    Why do all of you watch the news? Really?

    Good point. I abandoned TV1 around 2000 and TV3 around 2001. But I do an occasional sample, as with the British election the other night. I got about 1 minute on that as an intro, followed by many minutes on a vanished girl, followed by promises of a more ‘in-depth’ look at the new PM. I foolishly waited for that, only to be given about 2 minutes of fluff.

    TV OFF!

    the disturbing thing is.. i find tv3 more left wing and they are a private company.

    Dime, repeat after me – news organisations owned by large corporates can never be left-wing. John Campbell may sound like he’s mouthing Fisk and Chomsky, but he’s actually drawing more eyeballs for the advertisers. It’s a fiendish paradox I tell you.

    In any case since they’re private I’m fine with them being more left than TV1 – I’m not paying for it.

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  24. Brian Marshall (202 comments) says:

    Fatman43us, you’re not the only one banned from watching the TV news $hit. I got banned from watching the news after the David Bain trial fiasco.
    Not that it matters, the news is so full of sound bites and meaningless crudd analysis that I’m not missing out on anything.

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  25. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    “I’m fine with them being more left” and “2 minutes of fluff”

    The issue is they’re powerful in that the reef-fish buy it. They not only buy the bullshit products the whole thing is designed to sell, they buy the content as being factual, insightful and complete.

    Idiots? Yes.

    They sit next to us as we travel to work, however. They sit next to us at work, however.

    These are the people who decide govts. They’re the people who decided Obama, Cameron and Key. And in a few years time, the media will tell them to choose someone else. And they will.

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  26. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    fatman43us @ 9:28 pm

    Ist.. fatman43us has a wife…
    2nd.. can I suggest you stay of this Kiwiblog as well.

    we can’t fatman43us having a connery on account of the Trolls.

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  27. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Another useless student lefty? All the excuse I need to hit the IGNORE button.

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  28. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    Is Tutty an undergrad at Vic? Haven’t seen the story so am curious as he’s apparently an Auckland University graduate?

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  29. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    The Media are generally very left of centre. So much so that most retain or have had links to Communist affiliated groups.

    Funny thing is that they use the word Fascist as if it is an incurable addiction. I reckon that the Commies are far more dangerous, virulent and downright nasty.

    They all piss in the same pot as the dearly departed leader. Remember the one that resigned even faster than the other Communist Gordon Brown, and fucked off to the job she had bought with our money over the prior 7 years.

    Just how many homes do these fuckers actually need to feel connected to the ordinary folk?

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  30. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    He looked like an idiot to me. Regardless of ideology .

    If he is labour , he should have declared so.

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  31. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Who cares who is who, the university is at capacity and that’s the fact of the matter. Perhaps alternative providers will benefit, perhaps some people will have to wait until next year and will enrol early next time. Also perhaps a tightening of standards would trim some of the less motivated or academically focused out of the student body and free up places for those more serious.
    With such competition for places perhaps also students might not grizzle so much about how little the state subsidises tertiary education. How much they’re prepared to invest in their own future is an indicator of their prospective value to society, a cheap loan should be ample assistance for anyone.

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  32. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    “Who cares who is who, the university is at capacity and that’s the fact of the matter.”

    It’s a govt not a university decreed “capacity cap” and right here right now we have foreigners occupying places that should IMO be taken by the children of NET NZ taxpayers.

    That wouldn’t be an issue if there were spare capacity but we haven’t and we’re selling our expensively-developed NZ-expertise to foreigners for the price of the fees.

    Who cares if they pay full fees or not? It’s a pretty piss-poor so-called 1st-world-country that can’t provide tertiary education to everyone of its native citizens who wants to get at it.

    Note that I didn’t say “free” tertiary education – native citizens pay as well. But even then we can’t give it to them.

    What’s the definition of a society in decline?

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  33. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    robcarr

    Re: ‘Why exactly does political affiliation make you less of a student?’

    I believe that this is because of the perception that a ‘political’ student at a univeristy is invariably one who spends most of their time agitating /stirring and very little of their time actually studying.

    Or, to put it another way ‘They’re only there for the riots’ (which they cause).

    In New Zealand, labour and its socialist mates (of all shades from ‘tame’ to extreme) has traditionally been the agitating party at uni’s (especially at AU).

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  34. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Reid, New Zealands pay about half of what overseas students pay. The rest is subsidised by the rest of us. And then they get interest free student loans to cover their costs. Overseas students pay a lot more, they bring money INTO the country instead of diverting tax money as Kiwi students do. And the foreign students I’ve known get far less support and assistance in class and are treated as just that – payment machines to sit in the back.

    I’m more interested in when this capacity cap was brought into place. What I can see from a cursory Google is that Auckland University introduced caps in 2008 after their TEC funding was placed at risk if they allowed more students in.

    And robcarr, why does political affiliation make you less of a student? If you are pushing a political argument as an alleged “neutral” party when you are in fact up to the eyeballs in socialism then it might. Unlike, you know, having a boyfriend who votes for another party.

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  35. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    And your point is DPF?

    So members of the Labour Party are not allowed to receive a State education?

    Caleb is an intelligent principled young person and it is appalling that he is unable to finish his education. This should be the headline for your story, not a personal attack in an attempt to divert attention from what is a serious issue.

    [DPF: I've made no attack on Caleb at all. My criticism is at TVNZ for either not asking questions or not disclosing relevant information]

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  36. Brian Harmer (687 comments) says:

    The simple fact is that the university has no way of recovering the costs of any additional domestic students .
    William Pitt talks about “the bastards at Vic Uni …stopping people from going to Uni.”

    If Vic ran up a huge budgetary deficit wouldn’t this audience be baying for the blood of those responsible? Which other kind of business does he advocate should ignore the costs and run up big deficits?

    The university is not permitted to increase fees to meet the deficit, and the government won’t pay for more domestic capacity. You tell me the solution. I think the university is behaving in exactly the manner that the fiscal cap was intended to achieve.

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  37. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    This is easily fixed. We set up a commission of Cameron Slater, Trevor Louden and David Farrar and they vet anyone going on tv to ensure they have no dodgy left-wing leanings.

    Can’t have out National government attacked on Telly by Smelly communists now can we?

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  38. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Tough on those planning to enrol in S3 but there have always been limits on numbers in courses and this is just a more formal extension of policy to restrict numbers.

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  39. peterwn (3,276 comments) says:

    Interesting that Vic did a total cut-off rather than saying limited vacancies are available in particular subjects only. They must be concerned with pressure on communal facilities such as library, computer rooms, study spaces, etc. On the other hand it would be interesting to know why 1500 students plan to start mid year and had not turned their mind to enrolling at the beginning of the year. The choice of courses mid year would be limited since many have pre-requisite requirements eg you cannot do LAWS122 or 123 until you have done 121 which is not offered in the second semester.

    Some woman commented on a newspaper web site that it would drive people to Australia – ignorant that in Australia prospective students compete for limited university places.

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  40. Brian Harmer (687 comments) says:

    I have no specific knowledge of this, being far removed from the people who make such decisions.

    I speculate though, that the total cut-off is a response to total cash flows rather than to specific pressures in particular parts of the university.

    Once we pass the government determined cap, every extra domestic student is a loss making proposition, as I understand it.

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  41. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    yeah becuase milt would not be foaming at the mouth if they asked an Act member for comment on a labour policy and did not disclose.

    Like DPF, you seem to be having difficulty distinguishing between Victoria University of Wellington and the New Zealand government. I don’t see how such a mistake is even possible.

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  42. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    mickey and sonic I thought DPF’s point was that there was no disclosure of the student’s role, not that they shouldn’t have been interviewed at all.

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  43. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    I am 36 and have no tertiary qualifications. I worked my ass off as a late developer doing crap jobs, But own two homes in Auckland and life is good but lonley. I applied as an adult student last week and was turned away. My issue is I am willing to pay cash to do a degree the same as a foreign students but am barred as a kiwi from doing so why is this.

    The reason I want the degree is to travel and work overseas. I pay 39% tax doing 2 jobs that require no degree and cant find a place and am bitter that I pay more tax than graduates yet recieve no funding or investment from the state. So I said to the university I can pay foreign student rates up front and this proves my motivation and commitment to study but am not able to as a kiwi.

    My issue is foreign students study here as a way to gain residency that is undisputable. So why cant i invest in myself like they can. If universities promise cash for residence with the government and immigration consultants then governments should cut all funding to universities. It seems The study for residence scam is the way for govenments to upskill its work base for free by giving residence to all foreign graduates while not educating tax payers children.

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  44. cabbage (455 comments) says:

    David, Calebs affiliation was more than apparent to anyone that has a clue. I actually remarked to my girlfriend last night that “‘Gee, I wonder which party this dude is affiliated with” However i didn’t bother to google him, as i decided that scratching my nuts was a better use of my time.

    As for the news article itself, It was obviously a political attack by state owned media. Buried in the article and mentioned only once (from what i recall) was the fact that Vic was doing this due not to reduced funding but to a increased uptake in courses.

    This of course raises the bar for entry as demand is greater, which theoretically means a better quality of student studying. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Not that I was paying too much attention because, well, i dont when it comes to the garbage we’re fed as ‘news’

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  45. mpledger (425 comments) says:

    As I understand it, at the beginning of the year VUW was letting anyone enrol who wanted to even if they went over the cap because they didn’t want to turn people away. They intended to fund the extras through their own resources.

    The problem in Wellington was that the last budget decimated (pretty close to literally I believe) the government departments and a proportion of civil servants went back to uni to start/continue their education (perhaps that explains the drop in “those seeking work” in the first quarter). The problem is that this surge couldn’t be accomodated through VUW resources so they had to bite the bullet and stop enrolling students.

    BTW: If you’ve got kids coming up to university then get them to work hard. Their cohort was part of a baby boom that’s only going to add to the competition for places.

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  46. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    “you’re starting to look a bit stazi there David”

    A bit rich for the left wingers to start comparing you to the ultimate left wing secret police agency, surely? Wouldn’t that sort of comparison be a compliment?

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  47. Brian Harmer (687 comments) says:

    OctagonGrappler (3) Says:
    May 14th, 2010 at 9:20 am
    …. My issue is I am willing to pay cash to do a degree the same as a foreign students but am barred as a kiwi from doing so why is this.
    … I can pay foreign student rates up front and this proves my motivation and commitment to study but am not able to as a kiwi.

    It’s a good question. If you are offering to pay full fees and still being turned away, then that seems like pure bureaucracy. In your shoes I would be escalating to someone higher in the system than the person who turned you down.

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  48. Repton (769 comments) says:

    A bit rich for the left wingers to start comparing you to the ultimate left wing secret police agency, surely? Wouldn’t that sort of comparison be a compliment?

    Hitler was hardly left-wing. He was pretty strongly centrist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_germany#Economy

    “the Nazi war economy was a mixed economy of free-market and central-planning practices”
    “Trade unions were abolished, as well as collective bargaining and the right to strike.”

    Hitler was just an extreme authoritarian. The desire to control what people do is pretty common in political parties across the economic spectrum — particularly as the parties get more powerful.

    [of course, I'm not silly enough to compare either the current National government or the previous Labour government to Nazi Germany.]

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  49. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    Repton

    I think you’re confusing the Stazi with the Gestapo.

    Somehow I’m not surprised!

    As pointed out in A Hidden History of Evil it would seem that decommunisation will never be as popular as denazification.

    Most people in the West just don’t care – and other people in the West like it that way.

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  50. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    I just checked. NZ citizens are not allowed to enrol as full fee paying students. This is an outrage because politically it will create an issue that education is for the rich and only those with money can go, So national and labor wont have a bar of it, But foreign students are allowed to pay full fees to gain there residence without question or critisism. If it is ok for foreign students to pay full fees then It should be ok for kiwis who qualify but are turned away because of cap issues.

    I might consider a legal challenge so does anyone have any advice. I see in Australia that local aussies can pay full fees if they miss out on a hecs place and they used the foreign student study for residence as a case to change the rules.

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  51. plum (38 comments) says:

    @ Peterwn – there are lots of reasons why you might apply to start uni in the middle of the year rather than the beginning.

    My younger brother is one of those who has been turned down from VUW [disclosure - neither of us are in any way affiliated to any political party]. He partially completed his degree then dropped out last year to pursue full-time work in the private sector. He has since decided that the job offers no opportunity for development, and since there are also no pay-rises on the horizon, now is the time with the lowest opportunity cost to go back to Uni and complete his degree.

    What bugs me about it is the outright ban – no conisderation of whether you have already demonstrated the capibility to study (which he has). It would have been better to issue a hold on places, pending the inevitable drop-outs that happen at the beginning of each semester. Did they really not forsee this increase in demand coming?? Meanwhile they continue to advertise – I note out of my window thet ‘Get amongst the best at VUW’ banners flying from the lampposts around Wellington railway station – false advertising much? Perhaps they should read ‘Get amongst it at VUW if you’re willing to fake a foreign accent and front up with full international fees’.

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  52. RJL (146 comments) says:

    @ OctagonGrappler …
    “The reason I want the degree is to travel and work overseas…My issue is foreign students study here as a way to gain residency that is undisputable…”

    So, you want to got to Uni., as a step to travelling and earning (and paying tax) overseas? Whereas (you think) that these foreign students are studying at Uni as a step to living, earning (and paying tax) in NZ?

    If those are both true statements, surely it is just common market sense why the government would prefer them to go to Uni, rather than you?

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  53. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    Rjl you are correct let the market determine it. I pay alot of tax for services I dont get access to. It should be fully user pays as we live in a global village with people on the move.

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  54. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    rjl also universities always advertise themselves as going global and travel and work all over the world if you study here. This buy the leftist university management who claim to be the conscience of society as bound by there academic brotherhood. You talk of commitment to nz by foreign students. 20% of domestic students are at university because there parents from asia gained rsidency through paying a bond and have never set foot in the country or may never so why should they get places when there contribution and loyalty is questionable. Plus studies show many students want a kiwi passport so they can enrol in other universities in china as it is easier for foreign students there.

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  55. RJL (146 comments) says:

    @ OctagonGrappler

    If you think that foreign students are enrolling in NZ universities to gain residency to make it easier to then enroll in Chinese universities, why don’t you do the same? Enroll in a Chinese university if you think it is easier for foreign students to do so.

    To be honest your suggestion that that is what foreign students are doing, sounds like utter nonsense to me.

    It would be better if the NZ government just funded our universities properly. Then you could enroll without problems.

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  56. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    Hang on you said we should take foreign students instead of me because they want to live here an and pay tax, but you say i should go if it is funded properley are you an act voter or labour make up your mind. You said i could not go but now i can.

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  57. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    William Pitt & Kingi, you seem to be forgetting that it’s important to try to smear & discredit lefties whenever possible.

    Why waste time listening to the substance of what someone’s actually saying, when their political allegiance (if any) is all that really matters?

    You can take an informed and pretty principled position on just about any issue simply by observing who is for it and who is against it, and siding with the people you like.

    [/ironies]

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  58. Lutzie (56 comments) says:

    Wellington, May 12 NZPA – Former National Party deputy leader Roger Sowry has been appointed to the board of the Electricity Commission.

    Energy Minister Gerry Brownlee said Mr Sowry had been appointed for a three-year term.

    Reports critical of the commission as an unnecessary bureaucratic layer have been backed by Mr Brownlee and its future is under review.

    Mr Brownlee said Mr Sowry was highly qualified for the job as he was a former energy minister.

    In fact, Mr Sowry was a social welfare minister from 1996 to 1999 and National’s energy spokesman while in opposition.

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