General Debate 31 May 2010

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Manolo

I saw a large advertisement on today’s paper congratulating Jim Bolger on his 75th birthday. Signatories include Doug Graham, Colin Meads, and “thousands of others”.

How nice. Chairman Jim must feel “special”, in the way troughing, self-serving politicians do.
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May 31, 2010 7:33am
Akaroa

Great temptation to leave a banal, juvenile observaton about being first to blog today, but, in the interests of trying to maintain at least the appearance of gravity on this blog, I have decided to resisit that mischievous temptation!! And a very good day to you all!
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May 31, 2010 7:33am
Inventory2

Just as well Akaroa, seeing that Manolo beat you to it!
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May 31, 2010 7:52am
mickysavage

Can someone tell me how many kilometers of the Kohn Key memorial cycleway has been built and how many jobs it has created?

[DPF: 10 and be patient]
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May 31, 2010 7:58am
Falafulu Fisi

Luc Hansen said…
And to those of you who don’t know the joke, Fala’s handle is a white supremacist play on Polynesian names – fella full of feaces…think about it. The poor fella is deluded about his own abilities and it’s actually quite sad that it seems he can think for himself, but prefers to parrot the views of a tiny minority.

Luc should have stated the obvious facts :

– The knowledge-rich fella is proud about his own abilities
– …but prefers to parrot the views of how true scientific debates should be, irrelevant of consensus…

Again, Luc projects his illiteracy on others. He thinks that others should be illiterate like him, i.e., no one can ever dispute the consensus of AGW scientists & pseudo-scientists because they’re the so called experts.

I also gathered from his many useless posts/trolls here at Kiwiblog, that he hates being a white person and at the same time living in an advanced/developed white culture civilization and thus enjoying its wealth/freedom, which is something that Kiwiblog commenter Tom has pointed out last week on the GD thread. The guy is an ethnic/black-apologist. He blames the problems that blacks are facing in the world (poverty) on the whites, while he does nothing such as setting up businesses in black community to employ them and lift them out of poverty. He criticized capitalism but only capitalism that will lift the blacks out of poverty. There is nothing wrong with being a black apologist as long as it is based on fundamental reason, logic and philosophy. But Luc’s pro-black is nothing of the sort, but his is based on twisted ideology.

I think that neurons in Luc’s head are all simply filled with faeces, which can’t function well.
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May 31, 2010 8:03am
Andrew W

It’s a good thing the economy is recovering, as now we’ll have the money to build that cycle track.
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May 31, 2010 8:05am
wreck1080

Police treat car break-in’s as minor crime. Apart from dusting for prints, I doubt they even investigate – more likely, they just wait for the goods to turn up in some drugs bust .

I totally disagree with this attitude. Car crime can have majorly affect victims lives. Look at these poor people…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3756208/Mountainbiker-immigrants-lose-everything-in-robbery
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May 31, 2010 8:08am
dad4justice

Oh well mad McCully has said Handbag Haden is a good sport, move on nothing to see here. What a disgrace. Politicians are sewer pond scum. Gutless wimpish creeps make me sick.
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May 31, 2010 8:13am
big bruv

Haden has nothing to apologise for.

It is a sad day when people demand an apology for telling the truth.
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May 31, 2010 8:26am
John Boscawen

Interesting coverage from Audrey Young of the Herald this morning on the National Party Auckland regional conference at Waitangi over the weekend.

She says that delegates voted 80 to 20 to support the ETS.

Tamaki and Manurewa electorates were reported to have remits calling for the deferral of the ETS. I would imagine a lot of pressure went on delegates to get in behind the government.

On the same page the Herald covers my call for a commerce select committee inquiry into the Mercury and Contact Energy power price rises from July 1 on account of the ETS.

Mercury’s letter is particular intersting.

It says : ” The ETS is a government imposed cost on all electricity and gas production that emits greenhouse gases. It will result in increased wholesale electricity and gas prices, refecting the volume of greenhouse gases produced by the electricity industry as a whole”

The phrase “as a whole” is particularly interesting. What it means is that Mercury’s parent Mighty River Power is substantially a renewable generator with hydro and geothermal and will pay relatively a small amount for emissions. However because the industry “as a whole” incurrs significantly increased costs, these will be passed on by the most expensive generators and MRP and Mercury will be able to charge more than the cost increases they actually incurr.

So read “windfall profits” for “as a whole”.

I drafted my letter to committee chair Lianne Dalziel calling for an inquiry yesterday.

I believe there is an urgent need and the matter could be dealt with quickly. It would require, one and no more than two meetings. I would hope all MPs on the committee could support it.
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May 31, 2010 8:37am
Brian Smaller

Police treat car break-in’s as minor crime. Apart from dusting for prints, I doubt they even investigate – more likely, they just wait for the goods to turn up in some drugs bust .

I totally disagree with this attitude. Car crime can have majorly affect victims lives. Look at these poor people…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3756208/Mountainbiker-immigrants-lose-everything-in-robbery

Property crime is still not treated as serious. The whole three strikes law deals with the types of crimes that 99% of people will never experience. That law should apply to car theives and house breakers as well. People have their houses broken into and in many cases they end up moving as they feel unsafe in their own homes. It affects marriages and relationships.
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May 31, 2010 8:37am
MikeNZ

Wreck
We’ve had three interactions with the police in the last 10 yrs
Theft of money – I even did the fingerprint collection for them, the investigating officer never visited the crime scene.
Presenting a knife – they responded quickly, parked outside my house identifying me to the offender, but turned down the complaint with not having questioned two mature witnesses who were there.
driving dangerously – instead of immediately visiting the clown they sent me a form which got to me a week later.

In all of them they were sub standard and left us realising that they weren’t up to scratch, partly because the perfs of the previous decade lost them so many experienced people..
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May 31, 2010 8:41am
MikeNZ

I agree Brian and would include white collar too.
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May 31, 2010 8:42am
Murray

A politician can call 90% of the country white mother fuckers and claim centuries of raping the country (even they haven’t actually BEEN here for “centuries”, as opposed to the hunting to extincion of over 50% of the native species by the brown settlers) and be praised for it, but a sportsman can’t use a common use experession without being burned if effigy and pretty much hunted for sport. The difference is one is white and the other is a darkie.

Interesting little country we got here. When did Robert fucking Mugabe take over?
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May 31, 2010 8:43am
MikeNZ

John
Keep on keeping on, Thank you for being a voice of reason in parliament.
I’m hoping the effects of the ETS will cause National a substantial drop in support and a corresponding lift to ACT’s.
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May 31, 2010 8:44am
MikeNZ

Murray
The media and parliament were taken over in national last sojourn in parliament
Keep fighting and never give in.
if you were born here you are Tangata Whenua, not because of your supposed ancestry to the occupants of 5 waka.
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May 31, 2010 8:46am
MikeNZ

Fala
At heart LUC acts like a guilty white liberal.
He is not alone and the so called “darkies” and his ilk will use emotional blackmail to gain as much power and goodies as they can.
Andy Haden is one of the “niggers in the woodpile” for calling a spade a spade.
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May 31, 2010 8:49am
Falafulu Fisi

John Boscawen,

I second to that of MikeNZ’s comment above. Take the fight out their to the public including other lawmakers in parliament who are themselves automaton (ie, automatically taking things at face-value without questioning their validity).
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May 31, 2010 8:51am
krazykiwi

I see Iceland’s joke party “The Best” took 34.7 percent of Saturday’s vote in a shock defeat for traditional political parties. The victory makes Best Party leader Jon Gnarr, one of Iceland’s top comedians, mayor of the capital and gives it six city council seats, two short of a majority.
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May 31, 2010 8:53am
starboard

Interesting little country we got here. When did Robert fucking Mugabe take over?

..helun mugabe took over until recently when he/ she was shown the door and told to fuck off…unfortunately the replacement is not doin much better…
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May 31, 2010 9:02am
MikeNZ

Starboard
The replacement may well turn out worse as his character is outed and he is shown to be Helen lite.

We’ve had a glimpse, what part of 80% doesn’t he understand?
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May 31, 2010 9:14am
big bruv

Why the hell do we have a minister for the Rugby world cup?

[DPF: Because it is a major event, just as you have a Minister for the Olympics when a country hosts the Olympics]
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May 31, 2010 9:15am
MikeNZ

so the power broker of the National party can enjoy his rugby?
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May 31, 2010 9:25am
kelsey

Interesting coverage from Audrey Young of the Herald this morning on the National Party Auckland regional conference at Waitangi over the weekend.

She says that delegates voted 80 to 20 to support the ETS.

Tamaki and Manurewa electorates were reported to have remits calling for the deferral of the ETS. I would imagine a lot of pressure went on delegates to get in behind the government.

John, no doubt those that supported the failed motion would claim it was on the basis of pressure, but I would note:

– Based on the noise before hand, there was already reasonable support for the ETS prior to Nick Smith
– Nick Smith did give a highly informative and accurate presentation which I suspect did change a number of minds.
– People could vote the way they chose, and it was roundly defeated.
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May 31, 2010 9:30am
Manolo

I rather have McCully than the thug Mallard, but the question is a very valid one: if we have a minister of Tourism in Neville Key himself, why do we need a RWC 2011 one?

The explanation: “it was established by Labour” is a crock, and further proof of the weak entity the National Party has become.
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May 31, 2010 9:30am
MT_Tinman

big bruv (6465) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 9:15 am

Why the hell do we have a minister for the Rugby world cup?

Someone has to eat for NZ at all those IRB dinners.
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May 31, 2010 9:53am
Falafulu Fisi

For those who say that the debate is over and case closed over AGW are themselves being ignorant about history of science. Yes, I am talking about illiterate warmists & ignorant climate scientists.

The longest disputes and disagreements in the history of physics has been about the validity of quantum mechanics. The pro quantum mechanics (QM) camp were mainly made up of Bohr, Heisenberg, Pauli, Born, Dirac and those who questioned the correctness or completeness of QM were Einstein, Schrodinger, and De Broglie. This debate started in the 1920s when QM was first developed by its proponents (Bohr, Heisenberg, Pauli, Born, Dirac) who held the view of the so called Copenhagen Interpretation (CI), because of Bohr’s influence (i.e., Copenhagen) and the doubters of QM (i.e., the skeptics – Einstein, Schrodinger, De Broglie). The debate has never been settled, i.e., the case is not closed yet. The debate is still going on today, but the majority of physicists lean towards QM. Since the debate started in the 1920s , Bohr camp (pro-QM) vs Einstein camp (skeptics), there have been many publications since then up today that have been put forward to support both the QM supporters & doubters views and we’re not going to see that debate stop anytime soon.

The following survey which was conducted about a decade ago, gave a rough estimates about the number of pro-QM’ist and the QM-skeptics. The skeptics about QM are still the minorities.

The Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics: Many Worlds or Many Words?

The argument about the validity of QM is not about its usefulness but about if it represents the true nature of physical reality. It is the most useful theory in the history of science, its power of prediction is unmatched by any other branch of science. QM has given us the technology & modern electronics of today which we’re enjoying.

The skeptics (Einstein et al) argued that QM is either wrong or incomplete because physical reality or nature itself can’t be subjective, uncertain & probabilistic (i.e., existence & physical reality depends on the presence of a conscious observer), which led to a famous interchanged between Bohr & Einstein:

Einstein said, God doesn’t play dice with the universe (Einstein basically meant that physical reality is not something subjective but it is there with or without an experimenter/observer to witness it)

Bohr replied, You (Einstein) don’t tell God what to do (Bohr meant that the QM mathematics is God and can’t be questioned since it’s predictions matched those from experimental observations)

The disputes were always about the causes/effects that are being attributed to observations in QM experiments/predictions. For those who can’t quite get it, must watch this simple youtube animation of the main principle. The experiment is about, when someone looks (i.e., put a detector around one of the slit hole), then reality (i.e., electron/photon entity) simply changed into particles and when no detector is not present, then an/a electron/photon entity simply stays as wave.

Dr Quantum – Double Slit Experiment

The causation is simply unknowable according to QM. Things exists in many states but they only materialize into one form when it is being measured (i.e., a conscious observer manufactured reality him/herself when he/she does the measurement). There has been another theory that was being proposed about a decade ago that gave the same theoretical results as QM, but it explained the causes. The theory is causal as opposed to QM which is not causal.

Theory of Elementary Waves

If one accepts QM is a true nature of physical reality, then that person is no different to someone who believes in psychic and ghosts. WHY? QM can violate causation, which is exactly what mystic proponents claimed.

My whole point here is that in science, debates is never settled as I have described above about the ongoing debate about the validity of QM which is still going on today, which was started in the 1920s. There is no such thing as case-closed in science, irrelevant if there is a majority who hold this view and there’s only a minority there. For those who think that the debate about AGW is closed, they themselves are ignorant about the history or REAL SCIENCE.
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May 31, 2010 10:00am
Inventory2

MT_Tinman said

Someone has to eat for NZ at all those IRB dinners.

Then shouldn’t they send Parekura?
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May 31, 2010 10:08am
MT_Tinman

# Inventory2 (4413) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 10:08 am

MT_Tinman said

Someone has to eat for NZ at all those IRB dinners.

Then shouldn’t they send Parekura?

Eat for NZ, not the solar system.
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May 31, 2010 10:16am
Rick Rowling

Yep, Fala’s right, insofar as debate is never over in science.

Evolution could be completely disproved by the genuine discovery of a rabbit fossil in Precambrian sediment. Creationists should be out there digging!

The heliocentric theory of the solar system could be disproved by erm well it could be disproved – that’s what the scientific method is about.

Although some theories are so robust that the likelihood of them being wrong is so small as to be negligible.
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May 31, 2010 10:34am
mawm

It is the right of those at Waitangi to vote how they want, and we respect that. However people often vote along the lines of what is most likely to be in their best interest. We also know that the ETS will cost the averge New Zealander. MMmmnnnn……..

John B – keep up the good work, you may not win this battle but there is a ‘war’ still to be won.
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May 31, 2010 10:45am
MikeNZ

Falu
I do not presume to have your expertise in these matters, like people who are creative or musical I rejoice at others abilities to hold higher levels of thought and reasoning above my own.

I must point out that the Holy Spirit holds everything together, as the Spirit world was made before the Physical world (if Scripture is to be believed) and what you are explaining will never be fully known until the last day if that is correct.
I marvel at the complexity and beautiful symmetry of the worlds around us (both inside and outside), as I do Clinthiid’s photos every Friday 🙂

Keep on keeping on explaining what you do, I love to read it even if I don’t understand it fully.
Thanks
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May 31, 2010 11:19am
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

A well-known southern Muslim convert, Abdullah Drury, in a letter to the editor in today’s Christchurch Press calls for the Government to consider replacing the NZ Army’s Steyr rifles with Kalashnikovs. Drury calls the Steyr antiquated.

Perhaps some firearms buffs can enlighten us on this. I thought the Kalashnikov was developed from around late in World War 2, in answer to the German Army’s pioneering and highly efficient assault rifles. The Steyr was developed from the early 1970s, and it is interesting to read on the Net that the elite luxury version of the Kalashnikov rifle, a collector’s weapon, is made with Steyr tools.

Perhaps Drury is trying to score off the developing debate about American and British assault-type rifles being too short range for the open warfare in Afghanistan. A quick net search indicates that Western troops are not being outranged by traditional Kalashnikovs, which seem to be of even shorter range, but by Taleban using Russian Dragonov SVD sniper rifles and Russian Kalashnikov long-range machineguns, which are totally different from the Kalashnikov rifles, and seem to be firing on Western troops from up to 900 metres.

Is Drury trying to tell us that we need to be equipping the NZ troops in Afghanistan with weapons to counter these Taleban long-range weapons?
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May 31, 2010 11:34am
MikeNZ

I thought the .50 cal guns out ranged the Draganov’s as does the M19 grenade launcher?
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May 31, 2010 11:41am
Akaroa

Ah, Inventory 2! Pardon this late response to your post of 7.52 AM, in which you asserted that I was not the first to post this morning. I think you will find that close inspection will reveal that both the first and second (mine) offering this morning were timed at 7.33 AM. Therefore my claim of being the first poster has merit, even though that (doubtful!) distinction is shared with another blogger. QED

(Why bother with serious stuff when we can debate irrelevancies of this nature!!)
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May 31, 2010 11:47am
MikeNZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher
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May 31, 2010 12:04pm
Manolo

Nick Smith flayed a fellow member of his own National Party:
http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/31/the-lord-kitchener-of-the-environment/
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May 31, 2010 12:10pm
Manolo

Nick Smith flayed by a fellow member of his own National Party: http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/31/the-lord-kitchener-of-the-environment/
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May 31, 2010 12:11pm
Chuck Bird

This article by Chris de Freitas shows that even if we accept many of arguments that humans contribute significantly global warming planting trees will do little if anything to reduce carbon in the atmosphere.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10648525&pnum=2

Only about half is in the form of usable wood. The rest – of stumps, roots, branches, needles, unsaleable litter – soon decomposes and returns to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide.

About half of the residual sawlog component is lost as offcuts and sawdust at sawmills. And further loss continues at each stage of use. For example, 15 per cent of timber delivered to building sites is lost through offcuts.

Research by the former Forest Research Institute showed that, in the end, only 12 per cent of the carbon temporarily stored by forests has a life expectancy of longer than five years.

I challenge Dr Smith to address this issue raised by Chris de Freitas. While he is at it maybe he could address some of the point raised by Lord Christopher Monckton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ0iDoZhLKk
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May 31, 2010 12:12pm
Manolo

Nick Smith flayed by a fellow member of his own National Party: //whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/05/31/the-lord-kitchener-of-the-environment/
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May 31, 2010 12:16pm
Nookin

Hurricanes now on tour are they?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10648639
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May 31, 2010 12:21pm
Nookin

And we wonder why the road tolls grows.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10648579
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May 31, 2010 12:23pm
Viking2

Aussie internet filter to go ahead
Sydney Morning Herald
Last updated 12:04 31/05/2010

Minister for Communications Stephen Conroy has vowed to push on with his controversial internet filtering scheme, despite a barrage of criticism.

Senator Conroy told The Sun-Herald that internet advocacy groups such as GetUp! were ”deliberately misleading” the Australian public about the scheme, which will refuse classification to illegal and socially unacceptable web pages.

The legislation, which was expected to be passed before Parliament rises in June, has been delayed until the second half of the year while the government fine-tunes it.
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May 31, 2010 12:33pm
Viking2

PM’s cycleway dream stuck on uphill slog

John Key’s national cycleway has hit a bumpy patch, with only about 10km constructed from the $50m fund set up for the project… More http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10648599
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May 31, 2010 12:33pm
Viking2

What planet isthis dope on????

Smith enters the trenches in battle to defend ETS
By Audrey Young
4:00 AM Monday May 31, 2010

Environment Minister Nick Smith played the trump card. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Environment Minister Nick Smith played the trump card. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Environment Minister Nick Smith has likened New Zealand’s adoption of an emissions trading scheme to war efforts in Gallipoli and Afghanistan.

He told the National Party northern conference in Waitangi at the weekend that it might not make a lot of difference to the overall result, but it was about New Zealand doing its fair share.

Dr Smith was being questioned about the scheme, which is about to be expanded on July 1 to include transport fuels and electricity production.

“The challenge I give back to you is: when our Anzac troops went to Gallipoli, and when we’ve got our New Zealand troops in Afghanistan, do we really think those New Zealand troops in Afghanistan are going to make a world of difference to the final outcome there?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10648559

Shit I’m fed up with this Govt.
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May 31, 2010 12:36pm
Manolo

“Environment Minister Nick Smith has likened New Zealand’s adoption of an emissions trading scheme to war efforts in Gallipoli and Afghanistan.”

Is that a joke in bad taste? Is Smith so moronic to compare the two? How low have we sunk to have such a dimwit as a minister of the Crown?

Smith deserves to be sacked immediately before causing more damage to the country.
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May 31, 2010 12:50pm
John Boscawen

MikeNZ and Falafulu thanks for your support.

You are right Act may gain poll support if National does push on and implement the ETS on 1 July. However that is not the point of Act’s campaign. Although it may be a by-product.

The point is to get the ETS delayed and to achieve this by creating greater awareness of the issue and the truth. Hopefully politcial pressure will be too great for the government to continue.

Kelsey you said Nick Smith gave an informative and accurate presentation.

Did this include his claim that the ETS would cost the average household $3 per week? it wouldn’t surprise me if it did because he told parliament that last week and again on TV3’s The Nation on Saturday.

The only problem is that the full cost for the average household will not be $3 per week. It will be a lot more.

Nick’s figures are based on the av. household paying one cent more for 8000 kwh and 3 cents more per litre for 28,000 km. And only that! Work it out and you will see it comes to exactly $3 per week.

The real cost to households will include ALL of the extra costs they face purely on account of the ETS. Greater costs for food, eg bread baked in an electric or gas fired oven, milk processed at a dairy factory which now needs to account for its emissions from the production of steam.

Did Nick mention these?.

The Reserve Bank told the Finance and Expenditure committee about 2 months ago that they expected these costs to add a furthur 50% odd to the direct costs of electricity and petrol.

How do you think National Party supporters will feel when they finally realise the real cost is a lot more than $ 3 per week.
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May 31, 2010 1:24pm
John Boscawen

So I should have added Kelsey $3 per week is only correct if you don’t eat.
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May 31, 2010 1:28pm
Repton

The point [of ACT’s campaign] is to get the ETS delayed

Delayed until when? When would ACT implement it?
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May 31, 2010 1:47pm
Bevan

Jack5, the problem is this Drury guy is offering a generic ‘Kalashnikov’ designation vs the Steyr. Is he talking about the 1950’s era AK47 with its 7.62×39 ammunition, or is he talking about the AK74, with 5.45mm ammunition? If he is talking about the SVD then he is right the range is greater than the Steyr, but then I would expect that as he is comparing a sniper rifle with an infantry assault rifle – which is not an accurate comparison as they were designed to be used in different circumstances.
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May 31, 2010 2:09pm
big bruv

John Boscawen

I am no apologist for Key and the Nat’s but the question I have is this…

This morning on Breakfast TV Key said the ETS was ‘protecting’ our farmers and their businesses, is there any validity in what he is saying?
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May 31, 2010 2:30pm
Gosman

I want to know where the extra costs involved in the ETS are going to go. Is it like a tax? If so, does this mean Government revenue goes up by the amount raised?
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May 31, 2010 2:41pm
John Boscawen

Repton, at least until our major trading partners have an ETS. The top four, Australia, China, The US, and Japan don’t. And Australia has just announced it will be delaying its ETS to at least 2013.

I heard the PM suggest that Australia was going to legislate for renewable power and that would put their power prices up by 7.5%. Well they are substantially lower than ours now, party becasue of all that coal they are burning. When theirs have gone up by 7.5%, and ours by 5%, theres will still be cheaper.

Big Bruv, no, I dont think so. Certainly not from our four largest trading partners. Of our top ten, only one, the UK has carbon costs, and that is as part of the EU ETS which is a different beast to ours.

We also need to be looking at where all this money is going to go. It is not as the Greens keep telling us to “polluters”, but to forresters, substantially for trees already planted.
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May 31, 2010 2:46pm
Gosman

How does the money get transferred from those having to pay the extra costs to the forresters?

Who monitors this payment and who are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries?
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May 31, 2010 2:49pm
Manolo

Ought to be serious when even Adolf, the staunchest National Party supporter, turns the heat on Nick Smith:
//nominister.blogspot.com/2010/05/wait-for-this-to-hit-o-pinion-polls.html
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May 31, 2010 3:26pm
Hurf Durf

Could Obama be the second President to order the detonation of a nuclear device?

Komsomoloskaya Pravda, the best-selling Russian daily, reports that in Soviet times such leaks were plugged with controlled nuclear blasts underground. The idea is simple, KP writes: ‘the underground explosion moves the rock, presses on it, and, in essence, squeezes the well’s channel.’

Yes! It’s so simple, in fact, that the Soviet Union, a major oil exporter, used this method five times to deal with petrocalamities. The first happened in Uzbekistan, on September 30, 1966 with a blast 1.5 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb and at a depth of 1.5 kilometers. KP also notes that subterranean nuclear blasts were used as much as 169 times in the Soviet Union to accomplish fairly mundane tasks like creating underground storage spaces for gas or building canals.

These kinds of surgical strikes to shut off underground leaks, however, were carried out only five times, with the last one occuring in 1979. And there was only one misfire, near Kharkov, Ukraine, where a nuclear blast was unable to stanch a gas leak.

Happily, with a track record like that, “the chances of failure in the Gulf of Mexico are 20%,” KP writes. “The Americans could certainly risk it.”

“Plug the damn hole!” I lick my lips in anticipation.

Course, we wouldn’t be having this fucking problem if we were drilling in the Arctic where it’s shallower and it would be easier to plug rather than forcing drilling out into ultra-deep territory to appease Muvver Earf and the eco-socialists. They wouldn’t happen to have an ulterior motive, do you think?
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May 31, 2010 4:33pm
nickb

Rex,

In the chance that you are lurking, I have just read Michael Laws’ “Demon Profession” and wanted to ask you, what turned Michael Laws into the wet liberal in the 80s and 90s into the gruff old man he is today? Is it just ego, or something else?

And I am not being mischevious, just too young to follow politics through the 90s 🙂
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May 31, 2010 5:01pm
Bevan

John BoscawenI heard the PM suggest that Australia was going to legislate for renewable power and that would put their power prices up by 7.5%. Well they are substantially lower than ours now, party becasue of all that coal they are burning. When theirs have gone up by 7.5%, and ours by 5%, theres will still be cheaper.

According to this article, power prices will be going up 16% in QLD, and all without an ETS!

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-power-price-hike-prompts-review-20090630-d3i7.html

Although, to be fair I’m still only paying $120 – 180 for three months power!
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May 31, 2010 5:56pm
freethinker

MikeNZ (1880) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 9:14 am

Starboard
The replacement may well turn out worse as his character is outed and he is shown to be Helen lite.

We’ve had a glimpse, what part of 80% doesn’t he understand?

Its not that Key doesn,t understand, it’s his judgement that Kiwi’s are a race that seldom actually do anything that impact on a government. When they do – TV license anyone they usually retreat sometimes at an amazing speed. I guess if Bollard puts interest rates up, inflation ignites and Kiwi’s shut their wallets whilst complaining/blaming the ETS parliament will be in super urgency quick smart and the ETS will be gone by afternoon smoko.
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May 31, 2010 6:14pm
MikeNZ

Manolo (1466) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

1. Is Nick saying what he thinks or the cabinet thinks or what his leader John key thinks?
2. That the SAS will make no difference and it’s a waste of time or we are doing for other reasons?

It costs a chomp to train and equip each man to put 70 at risk for no reason isn’t the sort of decision making level you would expect of cabinet would you?
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May 31, 2010 6:58pm
jaba

I see philu’s friends up North are in Stuff today .. probably on their way to meet him for this weeks handover
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May 31, 2010 7:00pm
RightNow

Israel enforces it’s blockade of Gaza:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/30/reports-israeli-ships-attack-aid-flotilla-dead/?test=latestnews

“The Israeli military says more than ten pro-Palestinian activists have been killed after attacking naval commandos who were halting an aid flotilla heading toward the blockaded Gaza Strip.

The army says the soldiers were attacked with knives and clubs as they boarded the six vessels Monday. It says soldiers opened fire after a protester grabbed a weapon from one of the commandos”

I wait news of what was on the ships. Whatever is genuinely for humanitarian purposes will apparently be trucked to Gaza by Israel.
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May 31, 2010 7:24pm
Hurf Durf

How many times? Don’t fuck with the IDF.
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May 31, 2010 7:27pm
RightNow

Yeah, I like the way they don’t stand for that crap.
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May 31, 2010 7:30pm
starboard

Polling for the Nats …they going down… ETS , anti smack , tax-merry-go-round , siding with racist party , cushy job for Cullen , promotion of klark to UN , non welfare reform …it aint lookin flash…
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May 31, 2010 7:33pm
philu

these people are on a boat full of humanitarian aid..for one of the most fucked-over peoples on the planet…

..they had ‘clubs’…and ten were shot dead…

..by a heavily-armed israeli swat-team…

self-defence..?..was it…?

(another major stain on the israeli ‘image’..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 7:50pm
Hurf Durf

Actually the IDF troops had both clubs and guns. The ones who were shot dead were those who tried to wrestle the soldiers with firearms. Seems a stupid thing to do but then again this is the peacenik, pro-Pal, “blood sacrifice” lefties we are talking about.
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May 31, 2010 7:53pm
philu

that’s quite a big drop for national in the last poll..eh…?

(putting a lab/grn/maori party coalition within striking distance…)

..and given all the lies we were told before the last election…

..(‘d’ya reckon we’ll ‘get fooled again’..?..)

and how this haden thing just sours relations even more with maori…the maori party..

..( a fresh poll has most maori party voters saying they will give their party vote to labour…)

…and how his rich-mans budget will ..with the passage of time…come to resemble more and more a cup of cold sick for the rest of us…

..(53% say budget will not make them ‘better off’…whoar..!..so soon after….and the extra costs not yet kicked in..?)

..that number can only rise…

..given all these factors…

..my prediction of a one-term-john is looking more and more on the cards…eh..?

..how can it not…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 8:13pm
krazykiwi

these people are on a boat full of humanitarian aid

You’ve seen this with your own eyes?
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May 31, 2010 8:13pm
nickb

Philu, Labour thinks the Maori Party are the last cab off the rank, and Jacinda Ardern thinks they can’t even do maths. Apparently to her they are just dumb darkies.

So no, I do not see a coalition with Labour/Maori Greens.
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May 31, 2010 8:14pm
RightNow

actually phlu, a cup of cold sick is more than you earn
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May 31, 2010 8:16pm
krazykiwi

nickb – National’s ETS forrestry credits should be enough to buy Maori loyalty for next year’s election. After that – who knows?
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May 31, 2010 8:18pm
nickb

good point. And “Whanau Ora”.

Whatever the fuck that is.
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May 31, 2010 8:21pm
krazykiwi

@nickb – my definition of “Whanau Ora” in 10 words or less:
Extra apartheid welfare promising unauditable mismanagement and strengthened re-election prospects
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May 31, 2010 8:45pm
philu

c’mon nckb..!..don’t be blinded by your ideology..eh..?

the natural home for maori/the maori party is with the progressive bloc….

..them being with the tories..having to swallow dead rats all the time..(gst-rise..?..anyone..?..)

..is an aberration..

..that the racist rump of national is howling long and hard about giving too much to ‘maari’…

..that won’t help..eh..?..

..take yr blinkers off nckb…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 8:46pm
Hurf Durf

Krazy: Unfortunately, with the Marxist infiltration of the media, this is 15 propaganda victories for the Fifth Columnist bastards. What this means is that when the time comes that we put the boot into these people, we have to do it hard and fast.

They deliberately changed course to allow themselves to be seized at daylight for maximum media coverage. Ghoulish pricks.
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May 31, 2010 8:48pm
krazykiwi

Hurf, haven’t seen Luc about recently. Perhaps he finally decided that his vociferous, armchair hatred of the jooooos wasn’t enough and went and volunteered for the ‘aid’ convoy.
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May 31, 2010 9:00pm
nickb

philu Labour is full of racists who think Maori can’t do basic maths, and the Maori Party are a bunch of dumb darkies.

Stating that is fact, not ideology.
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May 31, 2010 9:31pm
nickb

And good point BTW kk.

What I don’t get is why “Whanau Ora” needs so many more countless millions when there are already legions of (publicly funded) counsellors, budget advisors, WINZ case managers, drug & alcohol helplines, community workers, nurses, community health clinics, CYFS workers etc.

What else is Whanau Ora going to do, apart from pouring millions of dollars into “providers” set up under the system, in a totally corrupt and unaccountable way. Favours for mates, methinks.

The only winners will be the shonky providers, the poor and vulnerable will not be affected one iota, and the scheme is destined to be a huge, expensive disaster.
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May 31, 2010 10:08pm
RightNow

Israel’s holy lands were holy to them before Mohammed walked the earth. They have the indigenous rights to the land. They might be more inclined to share with Palestine if not for the perpetual death threats and attempts. When your neighbour has a religious decree to kill you it’s wise to secure yourself. Neither side has hands clean of blood though, and I don’t envy the situation of either. I would like to see more people (including world leaders) encouraging the leaders and people of Palestine to change their ways and make honest attempts at a solution that allows for both to exist peacefully, but unfortunately I think many people secretly wish for the destruction of Israel. It is strangely unreal, I can’t remember the last time a Jew was in the news for a suicide bomb attack.
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May 31, 2010 10:20pm
Hurf Durf

Puke will wait until 1am to reply like he did yesterday.
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May 31, 2010 10:39pm
philu

“..Stating that is fact, not ideology..”

got any proof of that…?

or did you just pluck that one fresh from the orifice nearest to the back of yr knees…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 10:43pm
philu

“…It is strangely unreal, I can’t remember the last time a Jew was in the news for a suicide bomb attack….”

suicide bomb attacks are a weapon used by people who have no other weapons…

..the israelis have the guns/all the weapons…

..didn’t you notice…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 10:50pm
nickb

Here phil:

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-thursday-may-27-3569205/video?vid=3569338
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May 31, 2010 10:53pm
John Boscawen

Bevan as you say, electricity is far cheaper in Australia than NZ. I was aware of the PM’s remark regarding Aussi electricity. Even with a 7.5% increase it will still be far cheaper there.
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May 31, 2010 10:54pm
philu

is that a vid showing..’Labour is full of racists who think Maori can’t do basic maths, and the Maori Party are a bunch of dumb darkies.’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 10:55pm
nickb

Yup, sure is
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May 31, 2010 10:56pm
philu

wow..!..are they all there..?..stating what you claim..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 31, 2010 10:58pm
krazykiwi

suicide bomb attacks are a weapon used by people who have no other weapons…

Bullshit. Cowardly Arab ‘leaders’ force the weak to sacrafice themselves because they are too busy organising their next shipment of weapons from Iran and/or Syria. Just google Hamas and Qassam or Hezbollah rockets. Idiot.
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May 31, 2010 11:02pm
krazykiwi

Oh and Liar-brary Phool – I normally resist posting wikipedia links.. but given that they normally downplay Palestinian agreession I think this is enlightening: Hezbollah armed strength. Idiot.
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May 31, 2010 11:05pm
Hurf Durf

Shouldn’t the library be closed by now?
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May 31, 2010 11:08pm
MikeNZ

RightNow (808) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 7:24 pm

I just watched the Israeli raid on BBC and FOX, great to see them taking it to the activists, the japs should have done bethune and the others like that, at least they gwetr to jail him now.

Glad the israelis did it as you can’t be held hostage by the enemy and now we will see what was on those ships.
They were dammed if they did and if they didn’t, rather do it and stop the attack against their right to defend their people.
The pulled out of all Gaza and what do they get?
Kidnapping, rockets and killings.
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May 31, 2010 11:50pm
Inventory2

@ Hurf Durf

Good point. So has Phil left his son “home alone”, or does he have his son at the library with him at 11pm? Or has he been telling porkies all along?
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June 1, 2010 8:29am
Luc Hansen

Re: Falafulu Fisi (515) Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 8:03 am

I see the commentator with the racist handle does not try to explain how his handle can be interpreted in a non-racist way. I think that proves my point.

And the rest is a little like being savaged by an ant – a momentary itch only.

And he (I presume its a he) includes the usual distortion in my position on climate change: that I say blockquote>one can ever dispute the consensus of AGW scientists & pseudo-scientists because they’re the so called experts.

My view: the consensus is not in dispute. It seems even FF understands that point. My position is that given that this consensus view is held by at least 90% of relevant experts, only fools would ignore that message. As I posted on the Guardian website on this exact issue, I advocate that we hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I fail to see how this position is at all unreasonable.

As for disputing the consensus, I welcome dispute based on the scientific method. I would die a lot more peacefully if I knew that my baby daughter will grow up in a world without the inevitable destabilising consequences the current consensus on climate change will bring.

Problem is, except for a couple of minor IPCC errors, the conclusions presented by deniers have not followed from the evidence they have presented. I know FF will have apoplexy at this, but I can’t help the facts.

I spend a lot of time chasing down the arguments promoted on here by deniers, and in every case even I could understand the scientific refutation of their points. Quite simply, the credibility is on the side of the consensus view, in every case. And my concern with the consensus view is that, by definition, consensus entails the most conservative view, and I currently accept that climate change is further advanced than most non-scientists think, and is, on the current evidence, accelerating on a worst-case scenario.

I do find that alarming. I know many scientists do as well, and I wish they would speak up more. In fact, they feel constrained against that, which gives the lie to the giant conspiracy theory promoted by deniers. Like FF.

Hey, John Boscowan: is your opposition to the ETS based on denial or genuine dispute as to its efficacy and cost. If it is the latter, what’s your alternative?

Just asking.
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