More hypocrisy exposed

May 4th, 2010 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Claire Browning at Pundit exposes the hypocrisy of Labour and Chris Carter on the whaling issue.

Chris Carter’s excoriation of the Key government on whaling is rubbished by official MFAT papers showing similar negotiations when Labour was the government and Carter whaling Minister.

Sigh. Why am I not surprised.

… documents released to Pundit under the Official Information Act confirm that diplomatic talks commenced and were actively pushed on Labour’s watch, by Carter and Phil Goff, as the former Ministers of Conservation and Foreign Affairs, on terms so similar that if you blinked you’d miss the difference.

So Labour chose to undermine the NZ Government attempts to get an agreement, for petty grand standing.

The papers make plain what I expected: that New Zealand does not support resumption of commercial whaling. But they also say that, if commercial whaling was to resume, it would need to be robustly regulated and managed. Therefore, despite New Zealand’s strongly anti-whaling position, between 2005 and 2008 it was actively participating in “negotiations on a revised management scheme, which would provide a regime to govern commercial whaling if it ever resumed”.

Sound familiar.

According to an MFAT communique of July 25, 2005: “The main new development from IWC57 was the resolution agreeing to consider a high-level diplomatic conference if needed to resolve outstanding issues on an RMS … As noted by Minister Carter in comments to the media, New Zealand is prepared in principle to support the idea of a diplomatic conference …”. You remember the RMS — the revised management scheme, that would govern commercial whaling if it ever resumed.

Hmmn were there two Ministers Carter in the Labour Government?

But the best is yet to come:

A bit over six months later, Ministers had warmed up to the idea quite a lot. An email dated February 20, 2006 records: “I had a call from Chris Carter’s office … about the submission on the approach the delegation should take at the Cambridge meeting. The Minister has ticked off on all the recommendations except the one that says the delegation should not push the idea of a diplomatic conference”. A briefing to the Minister of Foreign Affairs dated February 10, 2006, annotated and signed by Phil Goff, includes this response to officials’ advice:

It is recommended that you:

3. agree that … New Zealand does not support a resumption of commercial whaling. Nonetheless, if commercial whaling were to resume, we would want it to be regulated through a strong and robust RMS … commercial whaling under an RMS would be incompatible with current scientific whaling and … an RMS needs to address this issue … [Yes]

4. agree that New Zealand should not lead calls for a diplomatic conference to discuss the future of the IWC … [No]

This is stunning. The officials recommended NZ should not lead the calls for a diplomatic conference leading to a revised management system, and Chris Carter and Phil Goff over-rode that advice to set a policy that NZ should actively push for such a conference.

Tags: Chris Carter, Claire Browning, Labour, Phil Goff, Pundit, whaling

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Say Goodbye to Hollywood (541) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Labour = Good
National = Bad

Do as we say not as we do…. Blah fucking blah! Labour, you are nothing but useless [deleted by DPF!
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Bevan (3,951) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Get prepared for the three stooges to show up, overlooking the facts and denigrating all who do not share their view based on nothing more than emotion.
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mikeysmokes (269) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Chris Carter is a goose, a trougher who plays the gay card and shouldnt be taken seriously on any issue. He’s only in it for the donut/junket
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
You’re only picking on him coz he’s a fudge packer.

[DPF: 20 demerits. Not an acceptable term]
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ben (2,366) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Well what did you expect?

Labour is the party that tried to tilt the rules of democracy in its favour and against its opponents. For one more term in office. There is no level of cynicism that organisation will not stoop to for power.

Labour is an organisation devoid of ethics. Again and again and again they display a win at all costs attitude. Look at what is dished up daily at The Standard. Rampant dishonesty and opportunism.

I wish I could say National was much better. They’re not. They haven’t tampered with free speech yet, but I expect they will. Sigh.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
A good reason for people with a genuine interest in conservation and animal welfare to vote Green.

Labour are hypocritical on mining too (but not for the reason you suggest in your earlier post today DPF – I still think that’s clutching at straws). But people who want to see no new mining in the conservation estate (as opposed to just Schedule 4) need to look at Labour’s ignominious track record.
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Bevan (3,951) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
But people who want to see no new mining in the conservation estate (as opposed to just Schedule 4) need to look at Labour’s ignominious track record.

And people who don’t want to leave our children a mountain of debt will vote National.
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LauraNorda (27) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Nah Muzza. You have it wrong cause when he was Minister of Conservation he then was an Uphill Gardener. Now he is just a nasty dishonest Dung Puncher.

[DPF: 20 demerits.]
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GPT1 (1,949) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
In a stunning piece of honesty Cullen once said something along the lines of you say things in oppostion you do not do in government. Seems Carter does the reverse but over pathetic stuff. This was an opportunity for a united foreign policy but Carter just fired off from the hip. For all the frustrations with National not doing “enough” (or doing too much in law changes) I would have to say that this is another example of why Labour simple cannot be trusted with the Treasury benches (along with their penchant for blowing the bank account when they are about to lose – BNZ, ACC, Kiwirail) – they simple believe that if they are in power it is better not that they can do better for the country.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Much as I despise Carter’s hypocrisy on this, DPF, the thread is descending into vile homophobia.

I see you are awarding demerits for it – good on you. LauraNorda qualifies too. Maybe 40 there, as two homophobic terms in the one post.
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RRM (7,207) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
All those who think previous government action, perceived opposition party hypocrisy is the most important issue in discussing future NZ policy direction, please say “I don’t really like fags very much!” or “I’m a loyal National-voting sheep and I know I’ll get my tax cut eventually!”

This thread is almost like reading the standard.
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Sonny Blount (1,753) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
How amusing. Another lefty lecturing DPF on how to run the most successful NZ blog.
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Sonny Blount (1,753) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Is it OK to refer to Chris as tinkerbell Toad?
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
@Bevan 5:20 pm

Put up the case that mining on conservation land is the silver bullet that will give us a vibrant, prosperous and debt-free economy.

To me, it smells much like Muldoon’s crazy Think Big energy projects in the early 80′s. They did the complete reverse of the propaganda that they were our economic salvation, and set the scene for Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson to implement policies that transferred wealth from the poor to the rich.

You need some substance to back up you considerable rhetoric, but don’t seem willing or able to provide any.

Just like Gerry really – dig and hope!
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LiberalismIsASin (255) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Homophobia is not as vile as homosexuality. No doubt that makes me a bigot but who cares.
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dime (6,171) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
“A good reason for people with a genuine interest in conservation and animal welfare to vote Green.”

those people will also need a genuine interest in punishing workers who earn more than 50k a year..

DPF – this is a good example on using the OIA properly
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starboard (2,447) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
You’re only picking on him coz he’s a fudge packer.

[DPF: 20 demerits. Not an acceptable term]

yeah..ya should of said..”you’re only pickin on him beacause he takes it up the arse ”

[DPF: Also 20 demerits]
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
@Sonny Blount 5:34 pm

Is it OK to refer to Chris as tinkerbell Toad?

Not, it is not. And when I attempted to parody that reference on RedAlert by posting a reference to the homosexual necrophiliac rape of a mallard duck, Trevor deleted my comment and threatened to ban me unless I withdrew and apologised.
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Guy Fawkes (702) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Labour pull even stranger stunts in their UK guise. They lie more, and steal more.

They do have very close links and share information on policy, obfuscation, and sedition.

Actually it is now clear why one one the first laws to be re-pealed by ZanuLabour PF was that withdrawing the Treason instruments.

Gave them a clear run of fucking a sound economy and pissing all the money away on vanity projects with chunky personal cashback deals to party and individuals.

Then it bought them the best job opportunities in the EU/UN.

Sound familiar?
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Guy Fawkes (702) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
The Dark Lord Mandelbum is also an out Gay, and despicable for his malpractice in the legal framework of Parliament.

Nothing to do with having a Brazilian as a Navigator. Just an evil Pilot git.
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Toad, I don’t often agree with lispy Twev but in this case…

What the fuck were you thinking?

That’s not a parody, its a deranged and fucking stupid thing to say.

Unless you find 1) RAPE & 2) BESTIALITY & 3) NECROPHYLIA amusing, which you obviously do.

Sicko alert…
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Bevan (3,951) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@Bevan 5:20 pm

Put up the case that mining on conservation land is the silver bullet that will give us a vibrant, prosperous and debt-free economy.

Show me proof that I have ever said that it was? Mining is just one of many things this country may need to embrace if it is to get itself out of the financial shit hole it is in. Would you rather us become the Greece of the South Pacific? What are the Greens proposing to reduce our debt? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Mind you, how about we debate this in the appropriate topic?
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Pauleastbay (3,726) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Lighten Up Expat

Toad used to be a necrophilliac until some rotten c… split on him
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starboard (2,447) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
yeah..ya should of said..”you’re only pickin on him beacause he takes it up the arse ”

[DPF: Also 20 demerits]

..well worth it..
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dad4justice (7,339) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
I will say nothing about Carter as this thread is a demerit trap.
Hi Tim, Helen and Peter.
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
I’m trying to get kiwiblog up the google ranks thus:

Lefties seem to have a FETISH for BIZARRE SEX
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Say Goodbye to Hollywood (541) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Thank you David for editing my comment. Comparing Labour to female genitalia was incorrect. It’s far more useful than this lot.
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Sorry DPF I honestly thought “fudge packer” was another name for a shameless trougher.
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
fighting.urge.to.take.thread.into.gutter.further.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
@expat 6:16 pm

Get a sense of humour expat! Humour is wonderful, as long as it doesn’t oppress.

I forgot to say at my 5:44pm comment that I did withdraw and apologise. Trevor was grateful for that, and permitted me to continue commenting at Red Alert.

(Hope he doesn’t read this though – the humourless bastard).
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Lets refer to the BSA questionnaire http://www.bsa.govt.nz/pdfs/bsa-freedomsandfetters.pdf

Q13 of the survey asks people to rate the offensiveness of the following words, please note some mentioned earlier on this thread are not present, presumably because they are too offensive to be measured. Toad.

R1. Arsehole
R2. Balls
R3. Bastard
R4. Bitch
R5. Bloody
R6. Bollocks
R7. Bugger
R8. Bullshit
R9. Cock
R10. Cocksucker
R11. Crap
R12. Cunt
R13. Dick
R14. Fuck
R15. God
R16. Jesus Christ
R17. Mother fucker
R18. Nigger
R19. Piss
R20. Prick
R21. Shit
R22. Wanker
R23. Whore
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Kris K (3,570) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Muzza M 6:35 pm,

Sorry DPF I honestly thought “fudge packer” was another name for a shameless trougher.

… and I thought it was one of those chocolate sundays you get at MacDonald’s with 10% extra chocolate syrup.

But seriously, why are we surprised that there appears to be a link between Labour MPs and hypocrisy? Especially Chris Carter?
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Toad,

Did you withdraw then apologise to Trevor, or apologise to Trevor and then withdraw?

There must be a protocol in the Labour Green alliance for these things.
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petal (697) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I’m sorry, but this has turned into the funniest thread for years. I’m actually laughing so hard my eyes are watering. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!
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big bruv (11,201) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
“toad (2093) Says:

May 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
A good reason for people with a genuine interest in conservation and animal welfare to vote Green.”

This is the sort of bullshit that the Greens use to gain votes every time we have an election, take it from me, the Greens have NO INTEREST in animal welfare at all.

When they had the chance to pressure the Labour government into doing something they were more interested in their social engineering agenda.

Again I come back to the simple rule of thumb when dealing with the Greens, trust nothing they say and nothing they do.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
@expat 6:49 pm

It was simultaneously mutually consented expat, albeit (in my case) under duress.

Just like DPF here, Trevor (and Clare) run that blog. And as a Green upstart I am obliged to comply if I wish to keep commenting there.

Funny thing is that I agree with a lot more politically on Red Alert than I do on Kiwiblog, but DPF has never given me a single demerit, let alone threatened to ban me for one comment.

And I often comment critically of DPF’s position. That is one thing I like here – freedom of expression. You get that on frogblog too (apart from threadjackers, one of whom has been put into moderation today for persistently diverting threads to espouse Winston Peters’ policies) , but not on Red Alert I am afraid.

Trevor and Clare need to lighten up a bit over there and permit a bit more free speech.
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mikeysmokes (269) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Thats fucked, why cant someone call Carter a fudgepacker? Thats not the worst thing you could call him, at least its true
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Inventory2 (8,799) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
toad said “@Sonny Blount 5:34 pm

Is it OK to refer to Chris as tinkerbell Toad?

Not, it is not. And when I attempted to parody that reference on RedAlert by posting a reference to the homosexual necrophiliac rape of a mallard duck, Trevor deleted my comment and threatened to ban me unless I withdrew and apologised.”

Rather ironic Trevor complaining about “Tinkerbell” when that’s what he is on record as calling Christopher Finlayson …
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big bruv (11,201) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Toad

“That is one thing I like here – freedom of expression. You get that on frogblog too”

Yeah right!
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
mikeysmokes and others, please remember this is David’s blog. I will accept my demerits like a man. Not sure how Carter would react. Is he passive or is he active, or is he both?
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
big bruv said: “That is one thing I like here – freedom of expression. You get that on frogblog too” Yeah right!

Unless you troll or threadjack. There is a lot of right wing opinion expressed in the comments there. You must have done something to offend against frog’s if you are in moderation too (like that NZF supporter yesterday who thought it was okay to jack any thread on any topic to advocate his racist agenda.
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big bruv (11,201) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Toad

That is utter bullshit, I just went and had a look at the thread where you accuse JH of thread jacking, clearly that is not the case.
JH was asking reasonable questions, and ss usual with you bloody melons you banned him because you could not answer the question.

Nothing JH said was thread was abusive nor racist and in no way could he be accused of thread jacking, you bastards just will not and cannot handle your policies being questioned.

The Greens (and frogblog) will not allow any debate on the treaty or things Maori, why is that Toad?, what are you afraid of?
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
@Muzza M 7:37 pm

If I were running this blog, that would be worth another 20 demerits.

Get past gender and sexuality of politicians, and debate the political policy issues that really count FFS.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
@big bruv 7:56 pm

JH was asking reasonable questions,

They may have been reasonable, bruv, but they were way off topic. The thread was about work conditions, he commented first up on the thread on Te Tiriti. No relevance at all.

Somewhat to my disgrace, I engaged with his threadjack. I will admit that was a mistake – it only encourages threadjackers and trolls.

Frog took the better approach, and put JH’s comments into moderation from then on until he can demonstrate an ability to keep on topic.
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Toad, go and get fucked
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big bruv (11,201) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Bollocks!

Frog put JH’s comments into moderation because Frog is a Nazi and because JH does not agree with the Green party policy re the Treaty.

I shudder to think what would happen to this nation if you lot were every elected as the government, those who spoke out against you would be silenced by any means possible it seems.

Why are you so afraid of debating the issues Toad and why in particular are all things Maori off limits when it comes to those who dare disagree with your view of making every non Maori a second class citizen?
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lofty (1,255) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Oh the lovely irony of toads posts……..thread hijacking anyone????????
Typical green obsfucation & deflection, lessons well learnt while sucking liarbors tits.
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menace (407) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
ROFL

Go the homosexuals.

Gay party for government 2069
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
@Muzza M 8:07 pm

Toad, go and get fucked

Are you offering to do the deed? I’ve never been fucked by a right winger before.

Probably not an experience I would relish. Do you guys on the far right use prophylaxis, or do you just not care where your tailings are deposited after drilling your dirty holes?
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menace (407) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Get into em toad, i love thread hushers.
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toad (3,542) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
@lofty 8:31 pm

Oh the lovely irony of toads posts

Hey, lofty, my 8:31 pm one isn’t meant to be ironic. Just challenging!
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Banana Llama (1,105) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Should of called him a Pudge Facker.
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
if you are a cute chick of legal age toad i will fuck you in the oriface that God intended to be fucked, if you are a bloke, then NO DEAL
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menace (407) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Muzza, you ever watched many nature documentaries? Been to a pig farm lately, go hang around one them for a while and your see a lot of natural things going on
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expat (3,975) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Hmm, Toad and Trevor mutually consented. But Trevor was the aggressor. That makes you what Toad?
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
not quite sure what you are on about menace
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lofty (1,255) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
You have never said anything that has challenged me toad.

Toady fits you better, just a mouthpeice for the left spouting the usual predictable poohs.
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tristanb (1,114) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
if you are a cute chick of legal age toad i will fuck you in the oriface that God intended to be fucked, if you are a bloke, then NO DEAL

From Leviticus 3:18
“And the vagine shall be the orifice that shall be fucked: it is the fucking orifice of the Lord.”
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Grizz (425) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
I was going to write a comment on not being able to trust anything Labour says given the cheap lies and hippocracy that keeps on coming out their mouths like a gift that keeps on giving.

However, This thread had deteriorated beyond what is even acceptable over at whaleoil. It is starting to make The Standard look descent.
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Muzza M (268) Says:
May 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Grizz come on, there is no need to get carried away. If any of my comments have offended you or others I apologise. I confess to having imbibed a few more beers than I normally do. I’m getting a few in before the Maori party tell John to increase the tax on alcohol, and I am celebrating because I leave this pathetic country on 1 July forever.
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Bevan (3,951) Says:
May 5th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Ugghhhhh….

I get the feeling the comments on this one should be turned off. Sick fucks on both sides.
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Brian Smaller (3,835) Says:
May 5th, 2010 at 7:55 am
If I were running this blog, that would be worth another 20 demerits.

Get past gender and sexuality of politicians, and debate the political policy issues that really count FFS.

Toad toad toad.

Chris Carter makes his sexuality an issue. “You are pickign on me because I am gay” or something like that. Remember that one? You cannot have it both ways. Unless you swnig that way of course.
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burt (5,928) Says:
May 5th, 2010 at 8:58 am
DPF

I think it is less offensive to be called a fudge packer than to be called a Labour party MP. But I do agree that there is no need for all this personal attack nonsense on the dim-bulbs sexuality.
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Its da truth (12) Says:
June 2nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Would you lot listen to yourselves. As this started on the whaling issue I thought I might find some intelligent debate to read. How infantile.
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