Gregarious Groser

June 5th, 2010 at 8:09 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Trade Minister has been warned, after a complaint was made about rowdy drinking and disruptive behaviour by him and some members of a trade mission on a flight from Dubai in April.

But another member of the delegation has defended the minister, saying that if he had a few drinks they were “well deserved” after a stressful trip.

A complaint about the behaviour of the delegation and the minister on the April 30 flight was made to the Prime Minister’s office.

Chief of staff Wayne Eagleson spoke to Mr Groser on behalf of Prime Minister John Key, a spokesman for Mr Key said last night.

“The minister acknowledged there had been some drinking on the flight, but he felt his behaviour was appropriate,” he said.

“The Prime Minister made it quite clear through his chief of staff the expectations he had in terms of ministers’ behaviour.”

It is hard to say much about this story, in the absence of specifics. The complaint did not come from a fellow passenger, but from someone who heard about it from a fellow passenger.

Ministers (and all MPs to some degree) are always in the public eye, and have to act accordingly. This means no giving the fingers to people who steal your car park, and also means being a model passenger on flights.

Now as I said, there are no details about this flight, and the complaint was from someone not on the flight. It may be something quite trivial. Also a factor is that he was returning from a trip on which he learnt his mother had died while he was overseas.

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47 Responses to “Gregarious Groser”

  1. calendar girl (1,214 comments) says:

    Sounds like another contrived political beat-up.

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  2. cha (3,935 comments) says:

    But…. but…..Muslims aren’t supposed to drink alcohol.

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  3. chfr (126 comments) says:

    Calendar Girl, my thoughts exactly.

    It is interesting that the story rests not on the word of an eye witness but someone who heard about it second hand. I am sure I am not the only person who would exagerate a story if I could be confident the person I told it to could not verify it.

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  4. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,869 comments) says:

    I’m surprised (a) the PM’s office took the slightest bit of notice of second hand gossip peddled by someone who was not on the flight and (b) that a brief conversation – unverified- would make it into the media.

    What piddling stuff this is. Tawdry Audry at it again.

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  5. big bruv (13,674 comments) says:

    I had clean forgot that his mother had passed away, IMHO that makes Neville Key’s response to the story even more disgusting.

    What would have been wrong with Neville simply saying “Tim suffered a tragic loss, at a time like that I am prepared to offer him a little more latitude”.

    I really don’t know why Key feels he has to respond to every stupid question from the media, this one should have been quickly slapped down.

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  6. ben (2,372 comments) says:

    Pete Hodgson will have a field day with this, as it sounds like this issue is not entirely made up. Groser has actually admitted he was on a plane. This, finally, could be Labour’s big break.

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  7. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    As I commented last night.

    So Key is now showing his true self. Self righteous , sanctimonious prick would be the description.

    The news tonight tells us the Tim Gosser, a man who has done more for NZ than Key ever will has been told off by the self righteous one for being drunk and noisy on a flight home from Dubai.
    Now that would be the same trip the the self righteous one went on only, to abandon the business people and Mr Grosser in the middle of the trip and the signing of important trade links, to flit off home to mummy because of a helicopter crash and the resultant funerals for which he was not needed.
    He abandoned a very significant trade delegation for a photo opp.
    Not so Mr Grosser, he went the full distance representing as he always does NZ’s best interests and kept faith with the trade delegation and the people with who they had meetings planned. Grosser covered Keys arse all the way and all that despite the death of his mother during this trade trip. Somewhat more personal than some aircrew enjoying a day out.(not disparaging the aircrew but putting things in a world Prime Ministerial context.)

    This is a continuation of the Lehman we are the world look at me bullshit.
    This is the growing its” my country and I’ll do what I want”attitude that Key has exhibited since being annointed as PM.
    Just look back and wonder. smacking, taxes, RMA, ETS, Maori party, Tuhoe the list goes on,etc etc.

    The last person to adopt that attitude was another banker who said” it’s my bank (railway and I’ll do what I like”
    Remember them. Both their companies went broke at the expense of the taxpayer and the enrichment of the bankers.

    Key will not keep many friends in high places if he continues with this attitude towards others.

    What is even more scandalous is that Key reacted to a complaint by some winger and made it public. Either it was minor and key should have told Grosser in confidence to mind his manners or it was a sackable offense. Given I doubt the latter he should pull his head in and behave like a grown up. Few people in this country are beholding to him He is our servant and needs reminding so.

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  8. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Pissed as skunk on my dime.
    Different political colours, same socialist ideology, same troughers.

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  9. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    A hear say complaint is not a complaint.

    Key was wrong to take any action other than to seek more information from an actual source. If the crew made no complaint I’d be skeptical about the validity of an unknown random person who heard ity from someone else.

    How well does that person know Phil Goff and does he regard her as “strikingly beautiful”?

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  10. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    Excuse me angie but since when has guilt been assumed outside a Greek courtroom?

    If we assumed guilt from second hand accusdations then Helen clark is a lesbian till she prooves otherwise. hows that work for you?

    Have to say your grasp of defamation law is calculated to get you into some trouble if unsubstantiated accusdations are you benchmark for “fact”.

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  11. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    All very tell tale- they are like school kids- Grosser is the business, some one commented last night, him and Mike Moore have ( good and rspected) international reputations .

    Its just disgusting firstly , that some sad wanker mentioned this to a labour hack and worse that the PM took any notice.

    Fraud is a criminal offence relaxing on a plane is not.

    This is not news.

    The PM is in danger of becoming helen in ‘drag’.

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  12. backster (2,141 comments) says:

    Methinks his official credit card will require close scrutiny at the next audit.

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  13. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    This belongs in the Rachel Glucina column. Who cares?

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  14. Paulus (2,602 comments) says:

    Another Beat Up! Pity the Harold has nothing better to publish –

    Audrey you can do better than this.

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  15. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I’m with Manolo. Groser is a long term trougher, and as a parlimentarian, weak as piss whether in government or opposition. One of those most responsible for NZ’s slide into socialism and as Minister For Climate Change is also one of those most responsible for pushing the ETS down our throats. That this POS was even on a plane on my dime is enough to piss me off, and if he behaved as meek as a kitten it still wouldn’t be enough.

    This petty bitching from Key might be a good sign as it could signify some falling out amongst the ETS cronyists.

    Anyone ever looked in to how many National Party MPs or their friends and supporters have money invested/ shares/ trust investments in carbon trading schemes??

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  16. James Stephenson (2,142 comments) says:

    Pissed as skunk on my dime.

    We pay for them to travel business class anyway Manolo. He’s done what any self-respecting bloke would do and maximised his value-for-money on the free booze.

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  17. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    AUSMPTION of guilt. A non functioning argument. Do you think before you jab at your keyboard before restating a non-functional argument?

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  18. Tim Ellis (251 comments) says:

    You really are an obnoxious, ignorant cock redbaiter.

    Groser is an excellent Minister. Through his world-leading work on free trade, he has done more to create wealth for New Zealand than the rest of the cabinet combined. If Groser did over-indulge on a flight it’s hardly a hanging offence. If it were then Winston would have had to resign every day of the week.

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  19. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Groser has just secured and signed off some very important overseas trade deals for NZ… we should all be celebrating with him… Phuck some NZers are a precious bunch off Phuckwits… to deny him a few drinks to celebrate… on a Air NZ plane after the work has been done.

    Good on you Tim,
    Cheers.

    I only hope he has a lot more reasons to celebrate.

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  20. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You really are an obnoxious, ignorant cock redbaiter.”

    I do my best to piss you and your hopeless left wing ilk off Tim, and its great to see some results every now and then.

    “Groser is an excellent Minister. ”

    Spare me the public relations bollocks. He’s right now pushing one of the most economically destructive acts in NZ’s history upon NZ businesses.

    And global trade would have got along just as well without Groser’s presence and would actually be enhanced if he and all of his self serving self promoting ilk in governments all over the world took a long walk off a short plank.

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  21. Tim Ellis (251 comments) says:

    No Red, you don’t piss me off. You’re an irrelevant, obnoxious cock with nothing better to do with your sorry life.

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  22. kowtow (8,184 comments) says:

    TV news made a big deal of this too w/o reporting that the alledged behaviour was based on a hearsay complaint. Tossers!

    Could this account for NZ condemning the Israeli action against the jihadis? “We wont buy your butter unless you slag the Yehudas”. Anything to keep the cogs of trade well greased.

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  23. 2boyz (257 comments) says:

    At least he didn’t yell at any kids :)

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  24. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Fuck the mans a pisshead you only have to look at his bright red face to see that.

    Just like mine. :)

    If he didn’t rape the cabin crew while pissed or make silly bomb jokes who really gives a shit??

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  25. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Exactly what we need a Govt willing to do anything to keep the cogs of trade well greased.
    We are to small and trade dependent to lead the Worlds social conscience one being the ETS.

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  26. Jack5 (5,010 comments) says:

    Groser is a top-class trade negotiator. We’re lucky to have him batting for NZ.

    As for drinking, perhaps this from Lincoln’s Yarns and Stories , by Colonel Alexander K. McClure, via rickwalton.com is apposite:

    “Grant is a drunkard,” asserted powerful and influential politicians to the President at the White House time after time; “he is not himself half the time; he can’t be relied upon, and it is a shame to have such a man in command of an army.”

    “So Grant gets drunk, does he?” queried Lincoln, addressing himself to one of the particularly active detractors of the soldier, who, at that period, was inflicting heavy damage upon the Confederates.

    “Yes, he does, and I can prove it,” was the reply.

    “Well,” returned Lincoln, with the faintest suspicion of a twinkle in his eye, “you needn’t waste your time getting proof; you just find out, to oblige me, what brand of whiskey Grant drinks, because I want to send a barrel of it to each one of my generals.”

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  27. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “No Red, you don’t piss me off. You’re an irrelevant, obnoxious cock with nothing better to do with your sorry life.”

    If that was ever going to be true, you’d never write a word here in response to any post I ever made. Instead, I always get these pompous arrogant and condescending schoolmaster style admonishments to mind my language. From a blind ignorant and loser supporter of the fast collapsing socialist status quo.

    Here’s the actuality you refuse to acknowledge. All over the globe, pathetic little bureaucrats set themselves up as gate keepers to international trade, and impose restrictions and regulations that make if difficult, and fool people that they are needed, when all they really have to do is get the hell out of the way. All of them. Groser and his counterparts in every overseas country.

    Business people know how to do business. They don’t need champagne quaffing self promoting shiny arsed bureaucrats like Groser to do it for them.

    I claim that bureaucrats and politicians (especially) are an impediment to trade. I didn’t want Klark over there sucking up to the murdering totalitarian bastards who control China at the point of a gun, and I don’t want Key sucking up to Obama, and I don’t want Groser flying around the world meeting with his fat arsed counterparts in other banana socialist inwardly collapsing backwaters. Fuck em all. Just get the hell out of the way and out of our lives. Parasites the lot of ‘em.

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  28. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Jesus Jack it wasn’t “Grants” whiskey surely?

    Its OK but if I’m too broke to afford the good stuff I prefer “The Famous Grouse.”

    It don’t have that overdone artificial peaty/smokey taste.

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  29. Jack5 (5,010 comments) says:

    C’mon, Bro. Bet he wasn’t grosherly p-ished, Mishta Key.

    No-one seems to have touched on how easy it is to drink too much on a plane. Is it the air pressure; is it the sitting with nothing to do, often among tedious, pompous fellow passengers; is it the changing time zones? Whatever, I’ve seen obnoxiously pissed on planes people who don’t usually get tanked – perhaps even never before.

    Johnboy: I find it hard to tell one whisky from another, though when I tasted Hokonui a few decades back I could distinguish it from other tractor fuels.

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  30. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Business people know how to do business.
    True , but because, “All over the globe, pathetic little bureaucrats set themselves up as gate keepers to international trade, and impose restrictions and regulations that make if difficult”.

    “What we need is a Govt willing to do anything to keep the cogs of trade well greased.”
    True again.

    So RBit you really haven’t thought this through have you. Most of us would agree with you about the shinny arses but unfortunately that’s the problem and the competition. We need, as businesses to be able to counter it and Grosser and Moore are the best we have ever had at that. Good for us and good for the world. Without them we would never open the business doors.
    Normal business everywhere because the world is full of socialists and turf protectors. Sad but true.

    As for the ETS, well Smith has just hijacked that of Grosser with the new Ministry of whatever its gonna do.
    Doubt Grosser wanted it to begin with.

    Sometimes RB people are on the same side, even if its not obvious to you.

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  31. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    After the first bottle they all taste the same of course (even when coming back up).

    I could never drink Wilson’s/45 South. It was shit.

    I like to tipple on the odd single malt but its that artifical smokey taste I don’t like.

    The Famous Grouse is good for price and mild flavour.

    Johnnie Walker Red is crap but I believe it is the worlds biggest seller.

    No accounting for taste.

    Never tried Hokonui.

    Still something to do before I kark it eh? :)

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  32. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Without them we would never open the business doors.”

    An assertion with absolutely no facts to back it up at all. Think back to when there were no governments. Trade was carried out then and it would be today. The notion that we should have politicians and bureaucrats negotiating trade positions is a fashionable misapprehension. Widen your damn political perspective a bit. This mood that we need and have to be grateful to government is extremely destructive in the long run. Especially in respect of trade, where all it leads to is bribery corruption and market distortions. And Groser in private would probably be the first to acknowledge that truth.

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  33. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Not at all, you grumpy sod.
    Its the reality of the way things are and we have to work around those barriers to get to the main goal. We didn’t make those rules but we have to get around them. Its the world until we change it; and we are slowly.
    Give credit where credit is due. man.

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  34. RRM (9,776 comments) says:

    No-one wants to be stuck a seat away from rowdy drunks for hour after hour. Regardless of whether they are MPs or not.

    NOT being a pisshead nuisance on board aeroplanes isn’t an excessively high standard to ask of our parliamentarians.

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  35. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Given it was a second hand complaint we don’t really even know if it was rowdy? Do you know more than the rest of us?
    And who defines rowdy, grumpy old people like redbaiter , grandma Clark or a bunch of teenagers.

    The point was really that Key demonstrated that really he’s a pratt and is fast evolving into a new age xtian imposing his standards upon everyone else. As he was destined to do.
    You know the type, suited American Lehman executive that rips people off.

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  36. Eddie (288 comments) says:

    speaking of bigoted stereotypers V2.,..

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  37. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Eddie, so your point is??

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  38. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Grosser, the pisshead, is probably the brains behind the dreadful ETS (in that regard, Smith is in division 5), the person who has convinced Neville Key the new tax is the way to convince our trading partners NZ is ready to lead the world with a solo effort to save Gaia.

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  39. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    In the same vain. Went to a Fonterra capital restructuring meeting Friday. The new proposals form Fonterra look like they should get strong shareholder support and the directors are well aware they are on the right track. Anyhow the director at our meeting wants a high voter turn out to pass the new amendments because we need to send a loud message to the government. I laughed, fuck the government, I pointed out how many loud messages had been sent to government only to be tossed back into our faces. The director pointed out that Shonkey had spoken directly to his good self on how important Fonterra is to the country, yeah of course it is, the socialist bastard has his mouth firmly stuck on the tit and is going to suck it for all it’s worth. The likes of Grooser, Shonkey, Smith speak with forked tongues, yes it’s all about trade, no I think it’s more about lining their own pockets.

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  40. starboard (2,521 comments) says:

    …as long as he didnt get up and take a piss in the aisle..who cares ?!…eh Dover…

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  41. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I hope Tim wasn’t flying on Air New Zealand cause him and the pilot probably had a lot in common.

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  42. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,869 comments) says:

    Was Pete Hodgkinson on the same flight?

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  43. Tauhei Notts (1,680 comments) says:

    Side Show Bob commented ever so briefly on the trading of Fonterra shares. I would be pleased if S S Bob could possibly expand upon what he thinks on that matter.
    Bob, I think it is a crock of excrement and am hoping that some erudite commenter like you can persuade me otherwise.
    Please do so.

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  44. Biomag83 (94 comments) says:

    I suspect the person who noticed and the person who made the complaint had a political axe to grind.
    While Groser is a fantastic minister and has done and will continue to do great things for New Zealand, he is not a well know house hold name. With the exception of Key, English, Brownlee, Judith Collins, Ryall and Nick Smith. Any one might end up sitting next to a cabinet minister and not realise who they are. I know this happens, Ive had senior government ministers come into the shop and staff have served them but didnt know who they were.

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