Dunedin Stadium

July 9th, 2010 at 12:28 pm by David Farrar

As sad as I am to see the end of Carisbrook, the new stadium is exciting. If I was a ratepayer I might have some concerns over the cost, but a well located stadium does make a huge difference to a city.

Wellington would not be the place it it today if the stadium had ended up in Porirua. The location at the Railway Station is perfect.

Likewise the location of the new stadium in North Dunedin, within easy walk of 20,000 students is a big plus.

As most will know, it is going to be a covered stadium (one could do that with the cake tin also if one had a big enough bath plug), and that should help fill the seats on cold winter days.

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27 Responses to “Dunedin Stadium”

  1. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Fully covered stadiums have a tradition of being fugly great blots on the landscape, will be interesting to see what this looks like when finished.

    Impressive that Dunedin can sort out a significant building like this, while Auckland ties itself up in knots trying to sort out a pissup…

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  2. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    The big question I have: will an up and under strike the roof in a game? And if so, what happens then?

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  3. Spoon (99 comments) says:

    @ben: No, surprisingly enough the designers of this rugby stadium did contemplate that rugby may be played here!

    I’m not 100% sure of the exact numbers, but they had them out at the open day the other week – the roof is something like 36 metres high at its lowest point over the field, and the highest kicks by professional players are something like 28m – so a pretty big margin.

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  4. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    I would have thought contacting the roof = going over the sideline and out of the field of play, but I’m guessing.

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  5. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Similar to going over the sideline RRM, but if it hits the roof they have a lineup.

    But…could be dealt with the same as hitting the referee (the ball).

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  6. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    Spoon – yes I hope you’re right. But on the other hand – imagine if it happened. What a an absolute disaster it would be.

    Anyway, I’ve been intrigued by the possibility ever since I heard, maybe two years ago, that the testing for this was very informal and brief. Let’s hope they did their sums right.

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  7. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    I believe the IRB have also done some testing where they fitted the ball with some sensors and had special high speed cameras all aound the stadium to test kicking heights. I think it was tested in the heinekin cup or one of the European competitions.

    Will be great to see the stadium finished. Its amazing how quick the progress is on it.

    Only problem for all builders now is that everyone will expect things to be able to built quickly.

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  8. jcuknz (648 comments) says:

    Not sure that impressive is the right word for a programme that was steamrollered through over the majority’s wishes and the concerns that the indebtedness of the city was being doubled just for a game of football when there are so many other things that need to be fixed up. Dunedin is a city of students and superannuients, neither class are particularly affluent. Still it is interesting to see the artwork on the protective fence and how the jigsaw puzzle of the rook is being put together … currently one of the centre spans is being assembled over at the back of the photo. Ugly looking thing .. they will need both a roof and a cieling to hide it.

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  9. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    a well located stadium does make a huge difference to a city.

    Certainly does. The ratepayers are always much poorer for their need to contribute to others monuments and follies.
    All except Bay Park when Clarkson owned it. Troubles was that the council just couldn’t keep their sticky hands of it so now like all council “amenities” it will be a burden forever.

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  10. kowtow (6,706 comments) says:

    Someone should take the photo of the albatross and stick it over the stadium photo as the stadium represents an albatross around the neck of the Dunedin ratepayer,some of the poorest in the country.

    There may be 20,000 students nearby but not many of them have been interested in attending sports events at Carisbrook. I struggle to see them getting to this monumental waste of ratepayers money on a regular basis.

    Rumour in Dunedin is it won’t be ready for The World Cup which will be an incredible kick in the teeth to the prestige of Dunedin and the council that pushed it through.

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  11. big bruv (12,354 comments) says:

    Yeah great!

    Every single rate payer in Dunedin is having to pay for this stadium like it or not, once again Rugby gets a free ride from the tax payer.

    We are funding Rubgy’s world cup, it will turn out to be a national embarrassment, we are funding a new stadium at Eden Park so they can sit with the rest of their RWC buddies and watch the final, and to top it all off, the average Kiwi (who fucking well paid for the stadium) will be shut out of the final because the wankers at the NZRU prefer rich foreign fans paying $1500 a seat for the game.

    If you thought that the government treats people like shit and ignores their wishes I can assure you they are amateurs when you compare them to the pricks at the NZRU.

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  12. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    I think the stadium will be great for Dunedin as is the Westpac stadium in Wellington.
    Once it is built people will never want to go back to the old stadium. Good on the Dunedin council for vision and foresight!

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  13. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Agreed, and it’s multipurpose, not just for rugby. It should be a big asset – including being a joint development with the University.

    Guaranteeing a dry ground, especially for mid winter evening games, will be a big benefit.

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  14. Michael (880 comments) says:

    Ben and others – the rules of Rugby are clear, if the ball touches an object that is on the ground outside the line, it is out and there is a lineout. So if a tree overhangs the field of play, it is out of play if a ball hits it.

    Is it big enough for cricket games?

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  15. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    And if it hits the roof straight above the centre of the field? I guess the ref could nominate a side.

    Not big enough for cricket (that’s already gone to the adjacent University Oval which is a nice ground for it, just needs to be enlarged a little) – that means the stands are closer to the field so should have a better feel.

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  16. Caleb (465 comments) says:

    cost/profitability ratio?

    better or worse than landcorp…

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  17. big bruv (12,354 comments) says:

    Michael

    No, the new stadium is not big enough for cricket, apparently that is not what the rugby gods demanded.

    They wanted a state of the art stadium, fit for Rugby…oh…..and they did not want to pay for it themselves.

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  18. jcuknz (648 comments) says:

    The “funny’ thing was that they said Carisbrook wasn’t suitable for IWC gaames … but if the albatross isn’t finished they will play the games at the Brook. Then they said it had to be a 40,000 seater which the Brook isn’t, but neither is the Albatross. It is another example of the old mens’ club rampaging over the ordinary man for the sake of a stupid game. Maybe they can take off the end walls so that the cricketers can hit ‘sixes’ sidways to the pitch. Then of course boundaries could be scored depending on which row the injured spectator was sitting in. In anycase they are talking of knocking down another of New Zealand’s heritage buildings to expand the cricket field in Logan Park … the ancient and horrible eyesore which was built for the Exhibition back in ????. Sport Sport Goddammed Sport ….Grrrgh!

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  19. Clint Heine (1,560 comments) says:

    Actually, this wasn’t pushed through against the wishes of the majority. The main opponents were members of the quite militant Alliance party in Dunedin who were out in force trying to drum the stadium out of town. Quite unusual for these hardcore lefties to be worried about other peoples money for once!

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  20. somewhatthoughtful (436 comments) says:

    sorry clint but your dreaming. the council conducted ratepayer surveys and found the opinion pretty evenly split. more than just victor billot and his muppets

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  21. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Hi guys nice to see the typically uninformed but marvellously vocal crowd here as at our blog http://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com

    With over 125,000 views it’s a topic that loves to be debated, as we have time and time again.

    Just to blow a couple of myths / misconceptions out of the water.

    Cricket: Literally across the road University Oval is being developed as one of NZ’s premier Test (and other cricket) venues. Styled on the brilliant Basin Reserve, Uni Oval is a fantastic place to watch cricket. It would be stupidity if not madness to undermine all the good work done there just to attract what 1 extra ODI at the new stadium. Besides the cost to have put a roof on an oval stadium fit for indoor international cricket would have been prohibitively expensive – even I wouldn’t have supported that.

    They’ve done all the work and it’s more or less 100% unlikely that a rugby ball will hit the roof, but the IRB does have rules for that anyway. Besides if an up and under goes that high, it’s probably gone straight up and is a crap kick and deserves to be punished.

    No not everyone was for it, or against it. Only the severely misinformed and misguided, not to mention arrogant were the most vocal. All manner of ‘interested groups’ protested against the stadium. Possibly the funniest were the Surfing group at the street march, who were moaning about the sewage going into the water off St Kilda, with a banner “Sort Your Shit Our First” proudly waving. The irony was it was the same week that the new multi-million dollar sewage outflow pipe was being switched on – with, what do you know, the desired effect of the beaches actually being cleaner than they have since about the 1920s.

    Those who are moaning about Carisbrook being up to RWC standards clearly haven’t been there recently. It’s an absolute shit hole, with some of the worst facilities in the land – I’m sure Rugby Park in Greymouth is of better quality than Carisbrook. The best thing about Carisbrook is the playing surface, and yes if (by some complete disaster) the stadium isn’t finished then Carisbrook will be used.

    jcuknz The heritage building you are talking about is an ugly, decades later extension wing to the old and hideous Art Gallery, one of the last remnants of the South Seas exhibition. Of all the buildings that were built for the exhibition, this is the one that was least worthy of keeping, but it’s there. It’s ugly, it’s in the wrong place now and it’s an extension wing, not the main building. Logan Park area will possibly be one of the best Sports precincts in the country when this stadium is finished. With no less than the world’s first grass indoor sports arena, a test cricket venue, an international athletics stadium and an international hockey stadium, not to mention tennis courts, and dozens of football and rugby fields. Then there’s the Mountain Biking just across the road, and quite possibly a new indoor swimming complex if the University completes it’s plans.

    Anyway pop over to What If stadium blog if you like for the Full story, both for – against and somewhere in between.

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  22. jcuknz (648 comments) says:

    The main point is that we don’t need a stadium and it has hocked the city to a point that repayment is a huge burden on a city if mostly poorer people. In Pauls summary of what a magnificient place it will be he forgot to mention the yacht club just across the proposed SH88 route which suffers from silt from the Leith sweeping in to turn it into a marsh one of these day for lack of a dedging policy and with grandiose ideas of becoming another Waikawa and such like. For far far less than the 350Million plus interest Crisbrooke could have been repairs and then there would have been money for all the other things the coty needs. A sad case oif misguided idiots putting the city’s eggs in one basket. With the hisoptory of such ventures around the world, in far more populous places than little old Dunedin, it is going to be a continuing drain on the ratepayers for its upkeep, let alone the captial cost. I gave up on the discussion months ago but I simply write here as I see it. Definitely an Albatross around me and my fellow citizens of Dunedin. Though like the Tairoa colony attracts tourists maybe it will as well being a momument to Dunedinites foolishly electing the council that rammed it through.

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  23. jcuknz (648 comments) says:

    Definitely an Albatross around the necks of me and my fellow citizens of Dunedin

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  24. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    And it looks like a kick did in fact strike the roof in tonight’s opening world cup game there, to the advantage of Argentina. They struck the roof in training the night before as well, apparently.

    What a fiasco.

    Dunedin ratepayers: time to ask some serious questions about how so much of your money could be spent on a design with such a fundamental flaw built into it. Heads must roll.

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  25. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    What are you going on about Ben? The stadium was the star of the occasion last night, which was just as well because the rugby wasn’t exactly scintillating.

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  26. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    I’d have thought the fact that Dunedin is now stuck for the next 50 years with a stadium that isn’t fit for purpose because someone didn’t do their homework on how high a rugby ball can be kicked might be a concern.

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  27. Scott Chris (5,678 comments) says:

    PG – “What are you going on about Ben? The stadium was the star of the occasion last night, which was just as well because the rugby wasn’t exactly scintillating.”

    The measure of a small city’s insecurity is the cost of its white elephant.

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