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MikeNZ – the 1st XV games yesterday were played at Wanganui Collegiate. 84th time the four teams have met in their annual Quad tournament. Wellington Coll won for eighth time in a row. Mind you – they have a lot of ‘Year 14 students’ and some already in the Lions/Hurricanes development squads. Some of their “schoolboys” are monsters. Great rugby though. Better to watch than Super rugby for sure.
We billeted two Christ’s boys – forwards. Lets just say there was a lot of steak, bacon and eggs consumed.
Labor spin machine goes into overdrive with questions for Tony Abbott
THE Labor Party’s attempts to control the campaign for the August 21 election are reaching new levels of Kevin Rudd-style control-freakery. Party operatives telephoned journalists this morning to advise them on what questions they should ask Tony Abbott. At the same time as Julia Gillard is being criticised for constantly refusing to address questions at her press conferences, her Labor machine now appears to want to want to write Mr Abbott’s.
This morning several journalists preparing to cover Mr Abbott’s campaigning activities in Brisbane found themselves being called by Labor media advisers.
Typically, the conversation began with the claim that a particular issue, be it paid parental leave or the cost of living, was “really heating up” in Canberra. “If you guys could forensically examine Abbott on this you might take this somewhere”, a Labor staffer told The Australian before starting to give example of the tough questions that might be thrust in the Opposition Leader’s face.
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The crude Labor tactic was the topic of laughter and ridicule as news spread of this morning’s telephone calls. Most of the journalists reckoned they could make up their own questions.
I guess no one will be particularly surprised, but have things really got to the point where cynical political manipulation of the media has become so blatant?
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this: http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
Waatea.blogspot.com
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I wonder if Anya read this: http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.
Cezar Taylor, aged 6 months, from Mangere East, is understood to have died surrounded by his family in Auckland’s Starship Hospital last night.
The partner of the child’s mother, James Allan Hemana, 30, also known as James Sylva, has been charged with assaulting the baby.
..another one dead…what a race eh…” hello , turia , sharples , bro harawira…what the fuck are you doing about it..whats that?…ya busy ?…nothing to see here move on”…what a cheek…must be busy with the baubles…
“I guess no one will be particularly surprised, but have things really got to the point where cynical political manipulation of the media has become so blatant?”
well theres nothing polite about killing children…for some reason its a maori national event…bash the baby…kill the baby…
fucken low lifes….they are all guilty…every single maori in NZ..they say nothing do nothing…they even hide the guilty party…makes me puke.
Given that so much of NZ’s media seems to march in lockstep with the left on so many issues, I reckon that it is at least a fair question. I smell something fishy, and if they can do it in the US, they can do it here in NZ. Probably a lot easier. Maybe bloggers with better investigative skills and better access to resources could look into the matter. I wouldn’t bet my house on it, but if the search came up positive, it wouldn’t surprise me one damn iota.
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this: http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this: http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
“A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.”
Wait for the newspaper’s photographs of the relatives wailing and crying for this poor kid. A bit late, isn’t it?
Until Maoridom embraces the concept of personal responsibility and the consequences of your own actions in life, crimes like this deaths will continue to happen. Hell will freeze over first, though.
All this while the racist Maori Party leadership is enjoying the baubles of power and celebrating the ‘extremely important’ Te Reo week. What a bloody joke.
RightNow said… Did time exist before the universe began?
Nope. There was no space (or void) nor time exist before the big bang explosion. To ask a question of where (as to mean space coordinates [x,y,z] etc…) was the big bang took place is meaningless, since there was no space or void that pre-existed prior to the beginning/big bang. This area is where physics stops and philosophy steps in. Space was created at the instant of the big bang and time also started at that very same instant.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
RightNow said…
Did time exist before the universe began?
Nope. There was no space (or void) nor time exist before the big bang explosion. To ask a question of where (as to mean space coordinates [x,y,z] etc…) was the big bang took place is meaningless, since there was no space or void that pre-existed prior to the beginning/big bang. This area is where physics stops and philosophy steps in. Space was created at the instant of the big bang and time also started at that very same instant.
Falafulu Fisi [and RightNow] –
If there was no space (or void) nor time existing before the big bang explosion, the only way the instantaneously expanding universe could be accommodated, is that it exploded into its own entity, meaning that the universe is inside out – as I have explained before, and which is an assumption that explains a great many other puzzling things.
If there was nothing prior to the big bang!!!!!!!!!!. Nothing equals nothing……. therefore there must have been something or there could have been no big bang to bang
Thats the bit that always gets me, proponents of the big bang some how find something from nothing to cause the big bang, but how man????????……………….Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if there was nothing……………….Ahhhhhhhhhhh some more.
So where did the stuff that banged come from????????????????????
There must have been time before the big bang since it’s a measure of the distance between two events. Explosions don’t just happen. There had to be a point just before the explosion that the sequence started and a point earlier than that to know when there was no sequence and so on and so on and so on…
therefore I propose that god exists and is what we now know as Sara Lee.
(cue argument over evolution vs adam eve and snake)
RB, during the middle ‘Clark years’ I often turned on Radio Left Wing and listened to the 0400 and 0500 news.
It was amazing how many times stories which were mildly critical of the government would disappear from bulletins at 0600 and later. This phenomenon led me to conclude that the Ninth Floor had a media duty officer who was on the phone each morning to the state broadcaster, instructing on what was news and what was not.
These are the very same people who today are screeching about Uncle Franky in Fiji.
“These are the very same people who today are screeching about Uncle Franky in Fiji.”
People are so fucking blaze about how these activists posing as journalists are perverting democracy. Twisting the truth to the political advantage of the left, while their extreme left mates run interference constantly by alleging the media is right wing. Just typical socialist corruption, and they get away with it because the opposition is a so neutered.
Headline in the NZ Herald: “Residents angry at early AOS raid”
What is this country coming to when the media (I note that old communist Michael Field has done same over at Stuff) give people like this legitimacy? Apparently they’re grumpy they had to stand in the cold. Unfortunately the kids are asthmatic. But I’m sorry, the AOS thought there was an armed, wanted man inside.
What are they supposed to do, knock on the door and say “excuse me, good morning, it’s the Armed Offenders Squad here, if everyone could please grab their slippers and a warm jersey and make their way outside in an orderly manner we’d really appreciate it.”
PaulEasy, go to YouTube and find excellent materials there for “Big Bang”, which there are heaps of them there. I could describe it here, but it would be redundant since Youtube has got some vid clips for the visualizations/animations of time & space there. It will answer your question. If you add -2 + 2, then what you get? Nothing (zero), right? How about -12 + 12 ? Again the answer is nothing , right? There may be some vids there that explain negative & positive energies (basically nothing, because they cancel) of how the big bang might have likely to come into existence from nothing.
There is also the multi-dimensional and M-theory which theorized that branes had pre-existed prior to the big bang. So , it regards the big bang as just an event that arised in pre-existing multidimensional universe. Look up on Youtube about a theoretical physicist named Michio Kaku, because he’s got some excellent vids there on the subject.
Charles Colson, former Special Counsel for President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973, was noted for being the first member of the Nixon administration to be incarcerated for Watergate-related charges. Named as one of the Watergate Seven, he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in another case, converted to Christianity in 1973, and the following year served time in Alabama’s Maxwell Prison. He then became involved in the issue of the over representation of African Americans in US prisons.
At least ten years ago, on a visit to New Zealand he was interviewed by Brian Edwards for RNZ and in effect he said that America had enslaved Negroes twice – first in the initial act of slavery, then, with the human rights movements and telling them how down trodden they were and how disadvantaged, they enslaved them a second time.
A question that should possibly be asked is ‘What similarities does this have to Maori ?’ If a race is told continuously they are useless, how useless do they become?
There could be an NZ Journolist. It may be hard to prove, it might just be journos chatting amongst themselves.
There could be an NZ Tea Party. Can someone with investigative skills check that out? Maybe Peters will rebrand himself as Tea Party.
There could an NZ person spending too much time reading US right wing conspiracy sites and imagine the same non-things are happening here. Can someone investigate that too?
What I find laughable is that the Prosecutors are saying this was their own decision based on the complainant’s views. In fact, I simply do not believe it. While the brief may not have been forwarded to them when the decision was made, it is entirely likely that they had been made aware of the results.
But, in response to Yvette’s point about the similarities between Maori and African Americans, I have to take a slightly different view. African Americans (and I dislike that term; they are Americans, the same as I am a New Zealander. By putting our ethnicities in front of our nationality, we only breed separation.) have been the victims of widespread racism, historic and current, that is entirely different from that experienced by Maori. Perhaps we could say that the similarity is that of historic under-employment of the young men, which may answer your question, but I do believe that the causes are very different. As I said, the USA has the issue of historic slavery and a vile and ongoing (although very much lessened) racism. The issues surrounding NZ Maori, I believe, relate more to welfare dependency than anything else. I don’t lessen the side effects of racism in NZ (which I believe is much less than some think), but I see similar patterns in the lives of my welfare dependant European clients as I do with my Maori clients.
That may be simplistic, but I think it has a fair bit going for it.
I posit that time exists both forward and backwards infinitely. That this universe exists doesn’t preclude another universe having existed prior and outside of our capacity to detect it.
Not at all, Kowtow. It is right and just. But the fact remains that in the USA, Americans of African ancestry are vastly over-represented in the crime statistics. In the same way, Maori in NZ make up 12-14% (?) of the population but 50% of the prison population. Either you post that African Americans and Maori are simply more likely to be criminals through some genetic factor, or, as I think Yvette is saying, there is a cause of the greater than proportional offending. I hold to the latter view.
That does not mean that all offending by persons of those ethnicities can be attributed to whatever cause it may be that leads to the inflated prison numbers. Every ethnic group has criminal offenders among it’s people and the apprehension and punishment of those criminals is entirely just and not at all racist. But why is there a disparity?
I do not say it is racism that is the cause. Each person is responsible for their own actions and should answer for any wrongdoing. But some factors do apply to some ethnic groups more than others, and can lead to a situation where there is a tendency for more crimes to be committed by members a particular group. That does not excuse, but may explain, that behaviour.
I would hope that we all think that ethnicity has nothing to do with it, so the problem must lie elsewhere.
Fools and their money….and the Glenn Beck Goldline Scheme.
Cha, for a more fair and balanced view on Beck/Goldline check out Fox News.
Bill O’Reilly calls New York congressman’s focus on Beck’s Goldline sponsor a ‘witch hunt’.
24 May 2010 … BECK: Goldline, yes. It’s a company I represent. O’REILLY: That’s a good company, I think.
They don’t seem to have much else on it. But anyway, it’s just the free market at work.
Fools buying into anti-freedom of expression White House communists wanting to shut Glenn Beck down. Totalitarian fascists like Cha pretend to care about free speech but as usual, its only the speech of their side they care about. Especially, anyone trying to awaken America as to how socialists are shredding the Constitution, one of history’s greatest document’s and one that targets liberty, must be dealt to.
By the way, that is not to say that racism does not lead to some or most of the causes we are trying to isolate. I say that with reference to the US, not NZ. There racism has a large part to play in the situation. South Africa is another example where historic racism has lead to a current situation of high levels of crime among one part of the population. I won’t use the term ethnic group in that context as that situation covers a multitude of ethnic groups, but with a common factor among them.
F E Smith – “… African Americans and Maori are simply more likely to be criminals through some genetic factor, or, as I think Yvette is saying, there is a cause of the greater than proportional offending. I hold to the latter view.”
I am suggesting that one factor [and it's just one factor] is that many commentators, like Michael Laws [Radio Live this morning] agrees with callers who detail an abuse case and say “Why am I not surprised at the perpetrators ethnicity?” This must make a factor in some behaviour, the fatalistic attitude that nothing more is expected of me.
However the Children’s Commissioner, only minutes ago, has said he doesn’t see this as a Maori problem. Without acknowledgement of such an attitude, any solution is that much further off.
Their ilk have already poisoned the well in California. Liberty is a precious and rare commodity and if you want it, and you want to keep it, you must guard it. Watch for those who would take it from you.
BTW Nomestradamus, with your reputation for investigation
Thanks for the compliment – appreciate it!
Given that so much of NZ’s media seems to march in lockstep with the left on so many issues, I reckon that it is at least a fair question. I smell something fishy, and if they can do it in the US, they can do it here in NZ. Probably a lot easier. Maybe bloggers with better investigative skills and better access to resources could look into the matter. I wouldn’t bet my house on it, but if the search came up positive, it wouldn’t surprise me one damn iota.
I hadn’t heard of “Journolist” specifically but, like you, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this insidious practice was entrenched in New Zealand. Journalism is a natural home for ex-political staffers. I’m also reminded of the recent story about the parliamentary library paper. Funny old world, huh?
Still but positive and negatives existed how????????????????????????????????????? at least you put the “May have” in which is cool because nobody really knows even if there are some excellent theory’s out there
Your stuff may make sense so I will instead rely on mental giants like Glenn Beck for my information in future. Rock on
I agree with both your points, Yvette. While it is important for us to understand the external influences that may lead to an issue, the concept of personal responsibility must be paramount. The high rate of violent child abuse among Maori is a Maori issue, one that must be addressed by Maori both as a group and as individuals. Whatever the cause, we should not refrain from describing the situation as it is.
I tend to ignore Michael Laws as a populist rabble rouser.
RB, Beck admits to O-Reilly: 24 May 2010 … BECK: Goldline, yes. It’s a company I represent. (Fox transcript)
Do you think people like Beck and Huckabee should disclose if they are being paid by companies whose products they openly push, and who advertise on their shows? At least to their employer who expressly forbids it.
Or do you believe they are at liberty to deceive?
Trying to actively undermine the government of the day and then trying to profit off it is a big accusation – shouldn’t it at least be checked out?
It seems a bit inconsistent trying to make a journo conspiracy out of nothing but wishful thinking, and not supporting a serious breach of viewers trust isn’t at least investigated.
How did a community leader upset her MP?… and what was his reaction? Sean Gillespie reports.
Pene Loza’s life is a story of commitment to her community. The 56-year-old has helped people in need since her days at Otago University when she volunteered as a counsellor at Dunedin Women’s Prison.
More recently, the Swanson resident has worked with the Out of School Care Network and headed the Tamaki Pathways Trust – a successful Panmure outfit mentoring at-risk kids.
But it’s not enough to convince her electorate MP she’s worthy of being a Justice of the Peace.
Maori Party MP Hone Harawira represents Te Tai Tokerau and has vetoed nominating Ms Loza, stopping her dead in her tracks.
It didn’t matter that he hadn’t called her four referees – heads of three well-established community groups and a school principal – or that she’d been a JP in Australia for 25 years.
What mattered to Mr Harawira, whose electorate stretches from West Auckland to Cape Reinga, is neither he nor his Auckland contacts knew her. At least that’s what he emailed Ms Loza to explain his rejection.
As Ms Loza’s MP, Mr Harawira can deny her nomination without explanation or recourse.
Having failed Mr Harawira’s two-degrees-of-separation criteria, Ms Loza met him at the West City food court in Henderson. However, Mr Harawira told her he was concerned she hadn’t spent enough time in her community.
“For me there are two issues,” says Ms Loza. “One is the disappointment at not being able to give back to the community as a Maori in a role that I see is quite important for my community.
“The other is I’m annoyed with the response I’ve got from Hone because I think it’s an unfair response and I have no grounds to appeal it.”
This isn’t the first time Mr Harawira and Ms Loza have crossed paths. About a year earlier, she emailed him asking for advice on an electorate issue. Mr Harawira responded in very large bold lettering: “Yeah – take it up with your MP. I note you’re not on the Taitokerau roll.”
However, she was on his roll, and Mr Harawira later apologised for causing her distress.
Ms Loza is concerned this incident may have affected Mr Harawira’s decision not to support her JP nomination.
Mr Harawira won’t comment to The Aucklander about whether this influenced his decision. He says the JP nomination process is confidential.
Les Smith, president of the Auckland Justices of the Peace Association, says the appointment process is antiquated and politicians aren’t the right people to be sole gatekeepers. “It’s the last bastion of MPs being able to give political patronage to people they support, or supporters of them.”
He won’t comment on Ms Loza’s case but says, “If an MP decides not to go ahead with the appointment process on someone who is suitable just because they don’t agree with their politics or which tribe they belong to, well, that’s bullshit, quite frankly.”
To become a JP, Ms Loza’s only other option is to change electoral rolls from Maori to General, when next it is possible, in 2012, and apply to whomever is Waitakere MP.
For the time being, Mr Harawira’s decision is final.
South Africa is another example where historic racism has lead to a current situation of high levels of crime among one part of the population.
You obviously know what you are talking about, so how do you explain the fact that a massive amount of the crime in South Africa is committed by the ‘rufugees’ from the rest of sub-Saharan Africa?
The Journolisters are professionally employed journalists who work at some of America’s most prestigious and influential newsrooms: the Washington Post, New York Times, National Public Radio, New Republic, Time, Newsweek, CNN et al. Thus, they wield tremendous cultural clout and influence. To wit:
- the Journolisters’ attempt, during the 2008 presidential campaign to kill and bury stories about Obama’s relationship with “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright;
- their push to deliberately smear innocent conservative journalists and politicos as “racists” and “bigots”
-their twisted passion to see Rush Limbaugh killed off and dead;
-their intolerant desire to have the government censor and shut down Fox News; and
- their baldly partisan effort to coordinate liberal talking points that would discredit Sarah Palin and John McCain, while helping to elect Barack Obama president.
You can see the outcome of their campaigns in the words and opinions reproduced on this blog by the likes of Pete George and other easily infuenced knuckle dragging totalitarian fascists.
starboard celebrating the death of a child are you ?
Typical reich wing types, how do you put it, nits grow into lice ?
Funny how ALL Maori are responsible, but when some pakeha knives a woman over two hundred times it has nothing to do with other pakeha in your eyes.
No double standards in your world are there ?
Don Nicolson, Federated Farmers chief on RNZ’s Labour Radio rural news today saying big foreign companies were eyeing up millions of hectares of NZ land, including farmland, with the idea of planting trees, which would earn subsidies from the NZ Government.
Astonishing, but I can’t find a repeat of the item anywhere. Not on the RNZ site.
He suggests “Queen Street farmers” as well as big Asian companies like Earnslaw are scoping the possibility, which would include beef and sheep land for ETS-benefiting trees. This would devastate some rural communities.
Brett Bozell nails it, especially with the bit about very callow and uninformed consumers.-
But these leaked messages are serious business. What they prove is that the “mainstream” media today are often just a shameless channel for leftist message coordination, and that anyone who assumes he’s simply getting the “news” from the national media is a very callow and uninformed consumer.
What’s most shocking is the silence. How many in the “mainstream” press are publicly denouncing those members of JournoList for their blatant disregard of journalistic ethics? Listen to the crickets.
You can see the hypocrisiy of Beck, Limbaugh et al vreproduced on this blog by the likes of Redbaiter and other unconservative right wingers who get sucked into any conspiracy theory that fits with their prejudices.
And you can also see them squirming to change the topic.
starboard so a Pakeha kniving a woman is not a disgrace in your eyes, why am I not surprised.
No doubt you will defend that sod who mowed a child down, why did you not mention him, oh, he is the right skin tone was he , so is not to be mentioned ?
Do better with your English, it is the only language that you are capable of using.
Pete George -Do you think people like Beck and Huckabee should disclose if they are being paid by companies
Do you think that Al Gore should have disclosed his interests in carbon trading and how much money he has made from it and his global warming scam?
Or do you believe he is at liberty to deceive?
I’d say that Gore has a far greater duty of disclosure as it affects so many billions more people and costs the world so many trillions of $’s more than a little Beck and Huckabee capitalism.
The notion of Maori and Pakeha being two separate races is increasingly flaky. A huge and increasing number of non-Maori have Maori genes and most Maori have white genes.
In addition: IMHO Starboard, when you ask that one group sorts out its problems by itself you are taking the line of separation, and that is a dangerous blind street.
Jack, I’m not alleging Redbaiter is anything, he’s so contradictory, and it’s impossible to be sure if he’s for real or not he can be so bizarre.
RB seems to like to make sure people have the right labels and claims to be a Conservative himself, but his proposals like revolutions, uprisings, “freedom” fighting, removing all current MPs from power, removing anyone he opposes from positions of power etc are hardly conservative ideas. Sounds quite radical to me.
Further on my 1.12 post on Foreigners targeting NZ tree subsidies…
The item is now on the RNZ news site and includes:
(Federated Farmers) President Don Nicolson says companies, such as Ernslaw One, which is Malaysian-owned; and Blakeley Pacific and Rayonier New Zealand, which are American-owned; have indicated there is potential for two million hectares of land in New Zealand to be planted in carbon forests.
Mr Nicolson says that would take out a significant area of sheep and beef production…. (and) it could threaten the survival of rural communities.
Mr Nicolson says he also objects to international companies being able to take advantage of what amounts to taxpayer-funded subsidies, in the form of carbon credits.
Mawm: Do you think that Al Gore should have disclosed his interests in carbon trading and how much money he has made from it and his global warming scam?
What were/are his interests and how much money has he made from them?
Jack – yep, that’s a worry, one of my biggest problems with ETS and creating any sort of artificial market were the chances of unintended consequences.
Do you think that Al Gore should have disclosed his interests in carbon trading and how much money he has made from it and his global warming scam?
Now, now, mawm.
What’s going on here is that there are competing stories. One story is that left-wing journalists have been colluding together to change and bury news that damages them and their preferred candidates (Reverend Wright is not relevant). This is something that you would expect right-wing websites (including famously conspiratorial sites like National Review) and blogs to focus on.
Apparently there is a tiny competing story that right-wing journalists are just as corrupt, albeit in different ways. That is being pursued by left-wing websites and blogs.
What Pete is trying to do here is get this right-wing site to focus on the latter story as well the left-wing sites. In that way – whatever the outcome of the actual debate on its merits – attention will be taken away from the first story. Hopefully nobody will talk about and it will drop from sight. That way, months later, the left will be able to claim that it was a non-story, irrelevant, a storm in a teabag nobody is interested in talking about Reverend Wright.
This is the Preferred Narrative Strategy (also called “Look! Over There”)- which political operatives always try to achieve, but which reporters are traditionally supposed to avoid.
It’s exactly the sort of strategy the Journolisters were employing. I think you would agree that Pete is trying his hardest to follow it while RB is similarly refusing to move off-topic.
Just a moron troll. Uninformed, delusional and irrational. Its why he’s a leftist extremist and totalitarian fascist. You have to be brain damaged to buy into the shit he buys into.
Hehe I see (via Whaleoil) that the charity auction for dinner with Christopher Columbus Carter and his partner has been withdrawn. Apparently Whaleoil was leading the bidding… sounds like a repeat of the charity auction for a helicopter flight with Andrew Williams. http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/07/28/whered-the-auction-go/
“(Federated Farmers) President Don Nicolson says companies, such as Ernslaw One, which is Malaysian-owned; and Blakeley Pacific and Rayonier New Zealand, which are American-owned; have indicated there is potential for two million hectares of land in New Zealand to be planted in carbon forests.”
Tom, look at how the thread has run – Cha introduced the Goldline/Beck story, I commented on it, then RB, mawm and now you are doing the “Look! Over There” routine – mawm has just admitted that was his intention.
You are correct, Reverend Wright is not relevant to it.
Maybe you missed the Goldline/Beck starter at 11.41
That’s hilarious, if his birthing and various other conspiracies are anything to go by Redbaiter is not likely to move of the Journalister story for about ten years. Should we not mention Beck until he has run out of steam on that in case we are accused of “going off-topic”?
” I see (via Whaleoil) that the charity auction for dinner with Christopher Columbus Carter and his partner has been withdrawn”
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“the homophobe community who support you and Trade Me”
Heck, now there’s a word- “homophobe”. Derived from “homophobia” Which has as its root the Greek word “phobos” meaning flight and in English represented as “phobia” and usually forming a suffix to such words as claustrophobia, arachnophobia, etc- generally indicating an irrational fear that has as its root cause a mental or medical condition that can be diagnosed and treated by specialists.
As a responsible and leading member of the NZ media Mr. Edwards, perhaps you can advise how many people have been diagnosed as “homophobic” by official medical practitioners and how many sufferers have been treated for this condition and how many have been cured.
I mean, wouldn’t be right for the media to be using a made up propaganda term and trying to pass it off as some kind of mental condition would it? They’re surely all above attempting that kind of feeble deceit.
Pete – the “Look! Over There” routine – mawm has just admitted that was his intention.
You were attacking Glen for not declaring his interests so I wanted to put it in perspective to a lefty idols failure to declare. That is not a ‘look over there’ tactic but rather attacking your argument hence ‘taking the wind out of your sails’..
Tom – I just wanted to take the wind out of his sails.
Heh!
Let’s see – RB at 10698. Probably dating from June 2005 when Kiwiblog started registering commentators and the clocks were set or re-set. So an average of about 6 comments per day.
PG at 6101, dating from about June 2009. An average of 17 per day.
So as I figure it, around September 26, 2011, Pete will pass Redbaiter in total number of comments.
Perhaps commentators here can start a betting pool.
“RB seems to like to make sure people have the right labels and claims to be a Conservative himself, but his proposals like revolutions, uprisings, “freedom” fighting, removing all current MPs from power, removing anyone he opposes from positions of power etc are hardly conservative ideas. Sounds quite radical to me.”
More evidence of PG’s political ignorance and narrow mindedness. Historically the body of ideas we now call Conservatism, (limited government, rule of law, individual liberty and responsibility) are profoundly radical, whereas the ideas he subscribes to, and that we now call Liberalism (fealty to The State, ownership by same, rule of man) are profoundly ossified.
That’s funny too RB, of course only “the left” would ever attempt to divert attention from embarrassing news, wouldn’t they. The “right” are above tactics like that.
Is it fair and balanced to promote products, claiming to represent the advertiser, and then deny it?
limited government, rule of law, individual liberty and responsibility
Maybe it only sounds radical top conservatives, seems quite a normal aspiration to me.
Not quite so normal is trying to start an uprising.
Psychologists do not recognize it as a phobia in any generally recognized publication like the DSM IV.
The word homophobia first appeared in print in an article written for the May 23, 1969, edition of the American tabloid Screw, in which the word was used to refer to heterosexual men’s fear that others might think they are gay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Further to my little episode in the lair of the wolf-
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Now Redbaiter, I’ve had just about enough of you. Common usage is the normal standard in deciding the current meaning of words. Language is a living thing and Greek and Latin prefixes and suffixes often tell us little more about a word than where it came from. Homophilia and homophobia derive from roots meaning ‘love of the same’ and ‘fear of the same’, but for some considerable time, the word homophobia has been most commonly used to mean ‘a dislike of or prejudice against homosexuals’. The New Shorter Oxford (1993) gives both the older and the more recent and commoner meanings. “afraid of or hostile to homosexuals”. I am a linguist, married to a linguist, Redbaiter. I have a doctorate in languages, which you have not had the courtesy to give me in any of your pretentious, smart-arsed comments. Come to think of it, I haven’t just about had enough of you. I’ve had enough of you full-stop. Goodbye!
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Which is kinda funny when one consider’s his post a day before-
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Can we just ban redbaiter already? (says Tom Semmens)
Whoa there, Tom. That would give him just cause for complaint. No, as long as he doesn’t defame anyone or resort to obscene abuse, his comments will be welcome.
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So that little rush of pure liberalism and tolerance from the good doctor didn’t last too long at all did it?
I posit that time exists both forward and backwards infinitely. That this universe exists doesn’t preclude another universe having existed prior and outside of our capacity to detect it.
I posit that time only exists for those who exist within physical fleshly bodies – that time ceases to exist, as such, once we shuffle off this mortal coil. We will just ‘BE THERE’, in perpetuity.
Their ilk have already poisoned the well in California. Liberty is a precious and rare commodity and if you want it, and you want to keep it, you must guard it. Watch for those who would take it from you.
That’s scary stuff, Red.
From your link:
We have predicted for years that if government keeps writing law, after law, after law, eventually people will stop obeying an ever-rising plethora of stupid laws. Government, in response to citizen resistance, will call out the jack-booted thugs, the goon squads, or the equivalent of the Nazi Secret Service, to force you into compliance with the law by fear, intimidation and threat of huge fines and jail sentences for non compliance. We further predicted that in the end, America would become a police state. It appears that it already has.
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“Nuisance Abatement Team”
Los Angeles County has turned what would normally be civil violations, into misdemeanors and higher crimes. Having an in-operable vehicle on your property is a crime and you can be punished with fines and imprisonment if you don’t remove it, within a very short time frame. If you ignore the order to remove it, you are forced to appear in court to defend your alleged crimes. You are guilty until you can prove your innocence, in direct violation of constitutional law. If a neighbor files a complaint with the county that ends in police action against you, you cannot confront the actual accuser in court, because now the accuser is the government. Decisions by the courts are nothing more than rubber stamps of the unconstitutional law they use against you. Their intent is to “purify” the rural areas to city standards and drive you off of your land if they can.
Appeasers who scoff at the economic imperialism of China, such as by Chinese firms aggressively buying into NZ agribusinesses (PGG Wrightson and Synlait) and even trying to snap up dairy land (the Crafars), should read this article from Der Spiegel.
Its headline, China’s soft power is a threat to the West, gives the drift.
starboard so a Pakeha kniving a woman is not a disgrace in your eyes, why am I not surprised.
No doubt you will defend that sod who mowed a child down, why did you not mention him, oh, he is the right skin tone was he , so is not to be mentioned ?
Do better with your English, it is the only language that you are capable of using.
No one is minimising crime committed by non-Maori, Hori.
But you have to admit there’s a problem when, as F E Smith cited earlier, “Maori in NZ make up 12-14% (?) of the population but 50% of the prison population.”
Surely ALL Maori, and indeed ALL New Zealanders, should be concerned with these statistics?!
And I say that as someone who is part Maori myself.
Labour have an opportunity to get fresh new talent on board!
Ironic that this seems to be over one of Goff’s sensible statements:
It claimed union-aligned MPs would challenge Mr Goff at next week’s caucus meeting over his position on the Government’s policy of allowing a fourth week of annual leave to be cashed in if employers and employees agreed.
On the issue of cashing in a week’s leave, Mr Goff had said in an interview: ”Well, I don’t have huge objections to that, as long as the decision is freely arrived at by the worker, and the worker is not pressured to do it. If you’ve got that safeguard in, then if somebody chooses to do that, then I’m quite relaxed about it.”
Yvette, he probably misunderstood the instruction to put the letter in a plain envelope, and instead put the letter in an envelope with a plane on it. Addressing it to Vernon Small was probably her idea. Doing it in his own handwriting was probably his.
Tom, look at how the thread has run – Cha introduced the Goldline/Beck story, I commented on it, then RB, mawm and now you are doing the “Look! Over There” routine – mawm has just admitted that was his intention.
Let me see if I can get your mind around the following concept.
One of the reasons why so many right-wing blogsites have proliferated is that right-wingers like myself felt that stories we wanted to discuss were simply being ignored as not relevant by the high and mighty editors and reporters of mainstream papers, TV and radio.
As a result, if I feel that some story that bashes away relentlessly at some rightwinger (think George Allen and “Macaca”) has some importance then I’ll go take a look at all the usual suspects banging the drum (WaPo, NYT, Huffington Post, etc).
By the same token I’m not going to pay much attention to the same story being peddled by left-wing commentators on a right-wing site – especially if I know that there’s a big, juicy story on those sites about some key aspect of the left’s machinations, because then I’ll suspect that the left is trying to force a distraction.
You’ve been at this for days now, with links to people like Chait (member of Journolist) desperately trying to spin his way out of it, not to mention the usual attempts at mockery via language such as conspiracy. All power to the poor bastard as this is credibility life or death for him. But I don’t see why I should reward his efforts by talking about what he wants to talk about, let alone what a sympathetic commentator wants to talk about.
You are correct, Reverend Wright is not relevant to it.
Is that so? The fact that Barry sat in a church for 20 years listening to a raving Jew-hater who unwinds conspiracy theories about white people deliberately infecting blacks with AIDS, a man to whom Obama handed his daughters to for religious education, the man who married the Obamas, a man whose spiel inspired the title of one of Obama’s autobiographies?
You’re saying that such things were not relevant to telling us about Obama: his principles, his judgment, his beliefs, the people he would select, the visions he would pursue? You were really willing to let Obama dismiss the subsequent public meltdown of his religious mentor with the outrageous bullshit claim that he had never heard anything like that from the mans mouth in the previous 20 years?
Really? Wright just suddenly snapped? You believed all that and thus saw no reason to wonder who Obama really was underneath the campaign spin? You and Richard Cohen both, although at least Cohen now openly wonders who Obama really is.
There is one easy test as to whether this was relevant or not: – imagine if it had been John McCain.
That’s a rhetorical question for you of course. You’ve acknowledged that you were perfectly in line with the Journolistas. No brainwashing required because you already agreed with them in advance.
Maybe you missed the Goldline/Beck starter at 11.41
Nah – I saw it –and ignored it for the reasons outlined above – plus the fact that I was focused on getting my project through the last stage of change management.
Should we not mention Beck until he has run out of steam on that in case we are accused of “going off-topic”?
You can hammer away at Beck to your heart’s content, just don’t complain when nobody here can be bothered getting into a debate with you about it – and unless you like making people laugh, don’t try the spin-on-spin of complaining that right-wingers mocking or ignoring your efforts at diverting away from a topic of interest to right-wingers is itself the diversion.
To repeat: this is a right-wing blog site. Right-wingers here are going to talk about things you don’t want to talk about, from points of view you mostly don’t like or respect. Moroever, they’re not going to dance to your moderate centre-left tune-of-the-day selection. If they wanted to do that they’d all be over at Public Address.
Kris K you are right, the killing of that child was an absolute disgrace, but, when people try to suggest that only Maori cause crime by not mentioning crime caused by non Maori they are hiding THEIR heads in the sand.
Besides as mentioned by another all Maori and a hell of a lot of so called Pakeha have either Pakeha or Maori blood/DNA.
It would be interesting to run Starboards DNA through the test, a lot of so called Pakeha in the thirties,forties and fifties had Maori blood which they kept hidden.
A DNA check at birth for all kiwis would be interesting in it’s findings.
Radio NZ’s Labour Radio seems to have abandoned any pretence at impartiality on the pig welfare issue. Other parts of the MSM are also emotional and putty in the hands of the factory-farm crusaders.
I abhor animal cruelty as much as anyone, but some of the folk campaigning on pig farming practices are fanatics who would also ban people from even having pet dogs. They would wipe out NZ livestock farming, without which, of course, this country goes down into the lower deciles of the Third World. They would probably even ban the use of mice in medical research. They will be campaigning against pig hunting next.
Fuck these nut cases!
Naturally, the MSM should cover pig welfare allegations, However, they could treat it neutrally and unemotionally and with the mild scepticism appropriate for all campaigns by zealots.
You would think from the tone of some of the reporters, that they were talking to suspected war criminals. It seemed to me tonight the Labour Radio reporter was almost rude to a vet she interviewed. There was rabbiting on about unreturned phone calls. The NZ farming community deserves the same level of courtesy and moderate tone as used to interview a prominent Labour figure on the Chris Carter issue.
It’s bad enough having an advertisingless radio channel of the Left financed by taxpayers, but it’s intolerable if it’s going to be tabloid leftist radio channel bludging on the taxpayer, with all pretence at impartiality abandoned.
“It is absolutely impossible to have any respect for any politician these days.
They may be able to feed bull shit to the sheeple but I wouldn’t even trust them to feed out hay to my sheep.
Was it Keeting that said to someone in Parliament, “You haven’t got the brains of a sheep!” When forced to apologise, he said, “I apologise, you do have the brains of a sheep!”
but, when people try to suggest that only Maori cause crime by not mentioning crime caused by non Maori they are hiding THEIR heads in the sand.
I agree with Grumpy. There are plenty of pieces of white trash in this country that do some pretty awful things.
I can understand that Starboard and others get pissed off with Maori academics and “leaders” who constantly try to turn this sort of crap back on Pakeha society – but as bad as that is it should not be an excuse for indulging in comments like ..another one dead…what a race eh…
It’s not about anything inherent in the genes of our race. I don’t normally indulge in the use of an already over-used term of abuse – but that sort of comment really is literal, racist, bullshit.
It’s a crap situation and it has arisen because people have been brought up to believe that they are not really responsible for themselves and their actions. Whatever they do, it’s a reaction to what someone else has done – even if done a hundred years ago – or the bland, opaque villain of “Society”. That too is bullshit.
I don’t know what the answer is – but I’m sure that it starts with looking that prick in the eye and telling him that there are no excuses: that he did, that he lost control of his emotions, that before he’s allowed back into society he’s going to have to cool his heels for a long, long time while he learns the lesson, and that any excuse given will be ignored.
Moreover, the same message has to be given – eye-to-eye – to all his friends and family that may make excuses for him and others who have merely been “lucky” so far in not severely hurting or killing.
Only from that point on there can there be any hope.
It’s a wonder people haven’t picked up on this Most Important Issue> M.I.I.
Green MP Kevin Hague:
“We are moving into a new phase of the collective national discussion about the Treaty, and as Greens we have a responsibility both to be an active and ethical voice in that discussion but also to work to equip others to participate in that discussion from an informed and principled basis, rather than sheer short term self interest.
Discussion to date has focused on the return of usually a small fraction of those resources unfairly taken from Maori as reparation, on reducing inequalities and on the rights of Maori as an ethnic and cultural minority with a threatened language and culture. While some of these issues have been addressed in part through the deliberations of the Waitangi Tribunal, these issues are, in fact, largely unrelated to the Treaty. If there were no Treaty, as there is not in a number of other societies around the world, these would all still be issues that would need to be addressed in a fair and just society.
The phase of the discussion that we now need to move into is one that that focuses on Maori status as the indigenous people of this country and on the actual content of the Treaty: a statement of the terms and conditions for the presence of non-Maori. The Maori right to self-determination pre-dated the Treaty and was not altered by it. What is at issue in understanding the Treaty are the rights of non-Maori.*
Cha, DenseOldFuckwit, Delirium and Billy Bonkers continue to wail about the VRWC in their effete bubble of theirs. All the while they preach about the wonders of public transport which is HATEFUL and ATROCIOUS and ABSOLUTELY SHIT; however, all the rage I accumulated spending an hour and a half on an Auckland bus melted away after I learnt about the Labour Party is disintegrating at full pelt. I love it. Go Carter, go!
Mawm, the refugees in South Africa are multi-ethnic, so one cannot ascribe it to a particular group. So the cause must be something else. What they do have in common is a large amount of permanently unemployed young men, and that going back over a generation or more. There are other factors, of course, but that is a common feature.
You’ve acknowledged that you were perfectly in line with the Journolistas.
I haven’t.
and unless you like making people laugh, don’t try the spin-on-spin of complaining that right-wingers mocking or ignoring your efforts at diverting away from a topic of interest to right-wingers is itself the diversion.
You started accusing me of diversion in your first post. Tom, like anyone else, you can ignore what I post if you want to, but three of your four posts here have been attempting to try and bluster me away. Maybe it is you providing the amusement.
To repeat: this is a right-wing blog site. Right-wingers here are going to talk about things you don’t want to talk about, from points of view you mostly don’t like or respect. Moroever, they’re not going to dance to your moderate centre-left tune-of-the-day selection. If they wanted to do that they’d all be over at Public Address.
To repeat: this is DPFs blog site. So far he has an open policy on who can post. Some right-wingers seem to claim it as their site, but it is no more or less their site than mine. The fact that my views are much more in line with DPF than the far right claim jumpers here escapes them. If you want a narrow minded mutual back slapping experience and don’t what to start your own blog then try Crusader Rabbit.
WOOPS! Meant to post this in the July 30 debate. Will repost.
Paul G. Buchanan’s 4.21 post links to a very interesting article, presumably by him, on the Kiwipolitico blog. (I repeat the link below).
This is how the immigration debate should be widened. People like Hickey (my 3.49 post) would shut down such debate by innuendo of or overt accusations of “racism”.
The danger in the political elite and economics-financial sector people like Hickey shutting down debate is that it will eventually and inevitably lead to a nasty counteraction with more extreme debate. Perhaps if National and Labour don’t want NZ First resurrected, they should open the immigration debate themselves.
Buchanan rightly points out that there are far wider aspects to immigration than purely economic aspects, and shows how Singapore practises quite strong racial preferences in its immigration and population policy. Interestingly, I believe Singapore is the homeland of NZ Hooerald writer Lincoln Tan, who writes up the cause of Chinese migrants in Auckland.
As well as the PC fog that stifles discussion of the racial make-up of immigration, just as the European media long stifled discussion of Muslim migration into Europe, there is a general reluctance to discuss anything that might reflect badly on China. PM Key apologises for an MP who protests about the ruthless Chinese colonisation of Tibet. In Auckland (link below) the Hooerald trumpets about China financing Confucian centres in NZ.
For the real story about the Confucian centres see the second link below, to a report from Der Spiegel about China’s foreign policy. Here’s a relevant extract:
Beijing has already installed more than 500 Confucius Institutes around the world, in hopes of promoting what it views as China’s cultural superiority.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:03 am
The world owes you nothing. It was here first.
– Mark Twain
July 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
MikeNZ – the 1st XV games yesterday were played at Wanganui Collegiate. 84th time the four teams have met in their annual Quad tournament. Wellington Coll won for eighth time in a row. Mind you – they have a lot of ‘Year 14 students’ and some already in the Lions/Hurricanes development squads. Some of their “schoolboys” are monsters. Great rugby though. Better to watch than Super rugby for sure.
We billeted two Christ’s boys – forwards. Lets just say there was a lot of steak, bacon and eggs consumed.
July 29th, 2010 at 8:19 am
It’s Thursday, muthafuckers!
- Samuel L Jackson
July 29th, 2010 at 8:32 am
What do people think about this:
I guess no one will be particularly surprised, but have things really got to the point where cynical political manipulation of the media has become so blatant?
July 29th, 2010 at 8:36 am
TUHOE FEEL THEY GOT A GOOD HEARING FROM ANAYA
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this:
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
July 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
Waatea.blogspot.com
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I wonder if Anya read this:
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
July 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.
Cezar Taylor, aged 6 months, from Mangere East, is understood to have died surrounded by his family in Auckland’s Starship Hospital last night.
The partner of the child’s mother, James Allan Hemana, 30, also known as James Sylva, has been charged with assaulting the baby.
..another one dead…what a race eh…” hello , turia , sharples , bro harawira…what the fuck are you doing about it..whats that?…ya busy ?…nothing to see here move on”…what a cheek…must be busy with the baubles…
July 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Gareth Hughes on a quest to increase rents?
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/07/28/cold-and-damp-or-warm-and-healthy/
July 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am
starboard
Your comments are particularly rude and insensitive especially as it’s MAORI Language Week,when our MSM celebrate all things Maori.
Drives me completly bloody mental to think our taxes go to foster this SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 29th, 2010 at 9:05 am
“I guess no one will be particularly surprised, but have things really got to the point where cynical political manipulation of the media has become so blatant?”
I guess you have heard of Journolist. ( http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=669 )
I was anxious to get some input from Brian Edwards on whether one existed in New Zealand but he would not answer the question-
http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2010/07/tv3-news-returns-to-the-trough/comment-page-1/#comment-7746
July 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am
well theres nothing polite about killing children…for some reason its a maori national event…bash the baby…kill the baby…
fucken low lifes….they are all guilty…every single maori in NZ..they say nothing do nothing…they even hide the guilty party…makes me puke.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
BTW Nomestradamus, with your reputation for investigation, maybe you can help with this-
C,mon Bloggers- A Journolist In NZ?
http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/
Given that so much of NZ’s media seems to march in lockstep with the left on so many issues, I reckon that it is at least a fair question. I smell something fishy, and if they can do it in the US, they can do it here in NZ. Probably a lot easier. Maybe bloggers with better investigative skills and better access to resources could look into the matter. I wouldn’t bet my house on it, but if the search came up positive, it wouldn’t surprise me one damn iota.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
TUHOE FEEL THEY GOT A GOOD HEARING FROM ANAYA
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this:
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
July 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am
TUHOE FEEL THEY GOT A GOOD HEARING FROM ANAYA
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this:
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
July 29th, 2010 at 9:12 am
“A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.”
Wait for the newspaper’s photographs of the relatives wailing and crying for this poor kid. A bit late, isn’t it?
Until Maoridom embraces the concept of personal responsibility and the consequences of your own actions in life, crimes like this deaths will continue to happen. Hell will freeze over first, though.
All this while the racist Maori Party leadership is enjoying the baubles of power and celebrating the ‘extremely important’ Te Reo week. What a bloody joke.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Did time exist before the universe began?
July 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
RightNow said…
Did time exist before the universe began?
Nope. There was no space (or void) nor time exist before the big bang explosion. To ask a question of where (as to mean space coordinates [x,y,z] etc…) was the big bang took place is meaningless, since there was no space or void that pre-existed prior to the beginning/big bang. This area is where physics stops and philosophy steps in. Space was created at the instant of the big bang and time also started at that very same instant.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I’m sorry but you know this how?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Falafulu Fisi [and RightNow] –
If there was no space (or void) nor time existing before the big bang explosion, the only way the instantaneously expanding universe could be accommodated, is that it exploded into its own entity, meaning that the universe is inside out – as I have explained before, and which is an assumption that explains a great many other puzzling things.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Falafulu @9.53
If there was nothing prior to the big bang!!!!!!!!!!. Nothing equals nothing……. therefore there must have been something or there could have been no big bang to bang
Thats the bit that always gets me, proponents of the big bang some how find something from nothing to cause the big bang, but how man????????……………….Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if there was nothing……………….Ahhhhhhhhhhh some more.
So where did the stuff that banged come from????????????????????
July 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
There must have been time before the big bang since it’s a measure of the distance between two events. Explosions don’t just happen. There had to be a point just before the explosion that the sequence started and a point earlier than that to know when there was no sequence and so on and so on and so on…
therefore I propose that god exists and is what we now know as Sara Lee.
(cue argument over evolution vs adam eve and snake)
July 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Hawaiki?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:21 am
RB, during the middle ‘Clark years’ I often turned on Radio Left Wing and listened to the 0400 and 0500 news.
It was amazing how many times stories which were mildly critical of the government would disappear from bulletins at 0600 and later. This phenomenon led me to conclude that the Ninth Floor had a media duty officer who was on the phone each morning to the state broadcaster, instructing on what was news and what was not.
These are the very same people who today are screeching about Uncle Franky in Fiji.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:36 am
“These are the very same people who today are screeching about Uncle Franky in Fiji.”
People are so fucking blaze about how these activists posing as journalists are perverting democracy. Twisting the truth to the political advantage of the left, while their extreme left mates run interference constantly by alleging the media is right wing. Just typical socialist corruption, and they get away with it because the opposition is a so neutered.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Headline in the NZ Herald: “Residents angry at early AOS raid”
What is this country coming to when the media (I note that old communist Michael Field has done same over at Stuff) give people like this legitimacy? Apparently they’re grumpy they had to stand in the cold. Unfortunately the kids are asthmatic. But I’m sorry, the AOS thought there was an armed, wanted man inside.
What are they supposed to do, knock on the door and say “excuse me, good morning, it’s the Armed Offenders Squad here, if everyone could please grab their slippers and a warm jersey and make their way outside in an orderly manner we’d really appreciate it.”
For fuck’s sake!!
July 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am
They should have been just about out of bed at that time anyway, getting ready for work you know.
Edit to add: Even though three children are supposedly asthmatic, I guarantee there will be a pet in the house!
July 29th, 2010 at 10:49 am
PaulEasy, go to YouTube and find excellent materials there for “Big Bang”, which there are heaps of them there. I could describe it here, but it would be redundant since Youtube has got some vid clips for the visualizations/animations of time & space there. It will answer your question. If you add -2 + 2, then what you get? Nothing (zero), right? How about -12 + 12 ? Again the answer is nothing , right? There may be some vids there that explain negative & positive energies (basically nothing, because they cancel) of how the big bang might have likely to come into existence from nothing.
There is also the multi-dimensional and M-theory which theorized that branes had pre-existed prior to the big bang. So , it regards the big bang as just an event that arised in pre-existing multidimensional universe. Look up on Youtube about a theoretical physicist named Michio Kaku, because he’s got some excellent vids there on the subject.
July 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Maori
Charles Colson, former Special Counsel for President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973, was noted for being the first member of the Nixon administration to be incarcerated for Watergate-related charges. Named as one of the Watergate Seven, he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in another case, converted to Christianity in 1973, and the following year served time in Alabama’s Maxwell Prison. He then became involved in the issue of the over representation of African Americans in US prisons.
At least ten years ago, on a visit to New Zealand he was interviewed by Brian Edwards for RNZ and in effect he said that America had enslaved Negroes twice – first in the initial act of slavery, then, with the human rights movements and telling them how down trodden they were and how disadvantaged, they enslaved them a second time.
A question that should possibly be asked is ‘What similarities does this have to Maori ?’ If a race is told continuously they are useless, how useless do they become?
July 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
There could be an NZ Journolist. It may be hard to prove, it might just be journos chatting amongst themselves.
There could be an NZ Tea Party. Can someone with investigative skills check that out? Maybe Peters will rebrand himself as Tea Party.
There could an NZ person spending too much time reading US right wing conspiracy sites and imagine the same non-things are happening here. Can someone investigate that too?
July 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Well, I was simply intending to post this link to the SMH website that shows the difference a properly funded defence team can make to a person’s life http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/rape-charges-dropped-after-deleted-messages-recovered–from-iphone-20100727-10ueq.html?autostart=1
What I find laughable is that the Prosecutors are saying this was their own decision based on the complainant’s views. In fact, I simply do not believe it. While the brief may not have been forwarded to them when the decision was made, it is entirely likely that they had been made aware of the results.
But, in response to Yvette’s point about the similarities between Maori and African Americans, I have to take a slightly different view. African Americans (and I dislike that term; they are Americans, the same as I am a New Zealander. By putting our ethnicities in front of our nationality, we only breed separation.) have been the victims of widespread racism, historic and current, that is entirely different from that experienced by Maori. Perhaps we could say that the similarity is that of historic under-employment of the young men, which may answer your question, but I do believe that the causes are very different. As I said, the USA has the issue of historic slavery and a vile and ongoing (although very much lessened) racism. The issues surrounding NZ Maori, I believe, relate more to welfare dependency than anything else. I don’t lessen the side effects of racism in NZ (which I believe is much less than some think), but I see similar patterns in the lives of my welfare dependant European clients as I do with my Maori clients.
That may be simplistic, but I think it has a fair bit going for it.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I posit that time exists both forward and backwards infinitely. That this universe exists doesn’t preclude another universe having existed prior and outside of our capacity to detect it.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Fools and their money….and the Glenn Beck Goldline Scheme.
July 29th, 2010 at 11:42 am
JG: therefore I propose that god exists and is what we now know as Sara Lee.
(cue argument over evolution vs adam eve and snake)
I think that would make the argument between evolution vs cake…
July 29th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Jim Anderton still can’t see the irony in his grandstanding:
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/quote-of-day.html
July 29th, 2010 at 11:54 am
A man goes into a premises with a gun ,points it at the shop keeper,shouts “give me the money or I’ll blow your fucking head off”.
He gets caught,sentenced to a term of imprisonment, and because he’s black or brown or gypsy ,it’s RACIST!
July 29th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
In exercising my culture and birthright in languge I say to those who want to force their languge on me, pogue mahone.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Not at all, Kowtow. It is right and just. But the fact remains that in the USA, Americans of African ancestry are vastly over-represented in the crime statistics. In the same way, Maori in NZ make up 12-14% (?) of the population but 50% of the prison population. Either you post that African Americans and Maori are simply more likely to be criminals through some genetic factor, or, as I think Yvette is saying, there is a cause of the greater than proportional offending. I hold to the latter view.
That does not mean that all offending by persons of those ethnicities can be attributed to whatever cause it may be that leads to the inflated prison numbers. Every ethnic group has criminal offenders among it’s people and the apprehension and punishment of those criminals is entirely just and not at all racist. But why is there a disparity?
I do not say it is racism that is the cause. Each person is responsible for their own actions and should answer for any wrongdoing. But some factors do apply to some ethnic groups more than others, and can lead to a situation where there is a tendency for more crimes to be committed by members a particular group. That does not excuse, but may explain, that behaviour.
I would hope that we all think that ethnicity has nothing to do with it, so the problem must lie elsewhere.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Cha, for a more fair and balanced view on Beck/Goldline check out Fox News.
Bill O’Reilly calls New York congressman’s focus on Beck’s Goldline sponsor a ‘witch hunt’.
24 May 2010 … BECK: Goldline, yes. It’s a company I represent. O’REILLY: That’s a good company, I think.
They don’t seem to have much else on it. But anyway, it’s just the free market at work.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
“Fools and their money”
Fools buying into anti-freedom of expression White House communists wanting to shut Glenn Beck down. Totalitarian fascists like Cha pretend to care about free speech but as usual, its only the speech of their side they care about. Especially, anyone trying to awaken America as to how socialists are shredding the Constitution, one of history’s greatest document’s and one that targets liberty, must be dealt to.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
By the way, that is not to say that racism does not lead to some or most of the causes we are trying to isolate. I say that with reference to the US, not NZ. There racism has a large part to play in the situation. South Africa is another example where historic racism has lead to a current situation of high levels of crime among one part of the population. I won’t use the term ethnic group in that context as that situation covers a multitude of ethnic groups, but with a common factor among them.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
F E Smith – “… African Americans and Maori are simply more likely to be criminals through some genetic factor, or, as I think Yvette is saying, there is a cause of the greater than proportional offending. I hold to the latter view.”
I am suggesting that one factor [and it's just one factor] is that many commentators, like Michael Laws [Radio Live this morning] agrees with callers who detail an abuse case and say “Why am I not surprised at the perpetrators ethnicity?” This must make a factor in some behaviour, the fatalistic attitude that nothing more is expected of me.
However the Children’s Commissioner, only minutes ago, has said he doesn’t see this as a Maori problem. Without acknowledgement of such an attitude, any solution is that much further off.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Here is another example of what fascist totalitarians like Cha and Pete George will bring to bear if we allow them-
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25816
Their ilk have already poisoned the well in California. Liberty is a precious and rare commodity and if you want it, and you want to keep it, you must guard it. Watch for those who would take it from you.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Redbaiter:
Thanks for the compliment – appreciate it!
I hadn’t heard of “Journolist” specifically but, like you, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this insidious practice was entrenched in New Zealand. Journalism is a natural home for ex-political staffers. I’m also reminded of the recent story about the parliamentary library paper. Funny old world, huh?
July 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Falafulu Fisi @10.49
Ta – brain freeze……ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Still but positive and negatives existed how????????????????????????????????????? at least you put the “May have” in which is cool because nobody really knows even if there are some excellent theory’s out there
Your stuff may make sense so I will instead rely on mental giants like Glenn Beck for my information in future. Rock on
July 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I agree with both your points, Yvette. While it is important for us to understand the external influences that may lead to an issue, the concept of personal responsibility must be paramount. The high rate of violent child abuse among Maori is a Maori issue, one that must be addressed by Maori both as a group and as individuals. Whatever the cause, we should not refrain from describing the situation as it is.
I tend to ignore Michael Laws as a populist rabble rouser.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RB, Beck admits to O-Reilly: 24 May 2010 … BECK: Goldline, yes. It’s a company I represent. (Fox transcript)
Do you think people like Beck and Huckabee should disclose if they are being paid by companies whose products they openly push, and who advertise on their shows? At least to their employer who expressly forbids it.
Or do you believe they are at liberty to deceive?
Trying to actively undermine the government of the day and then trying to profit off it is a big accusation – shouldn’t it at least be checked out?
It seems a bit inconsistent trying to make a journo conspiracy out of nothing but wishful thinking, and not supporting a serious breach of viewers trust isn’t at least investigated.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
I see Hone Harawira is shooting from the lip again! How dare anyone actually ask him to do some work!
In this morning’s Aucklander in the NZ Herald
http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/local/news/no-justice-for-some/3917984/
How did a community leader upset her MP?… and what was his reaction? Sean Gillespie reports.
Pene Loza’s life is a story of commitment to her community. The 56-year-old has helped people in need since her days at Otago University when she volunteered as a counsellor at Dunedin Women’s Prison.
More recently, the Swanson resident has worked with the Out of School Care Network and headed the Tamaki Pathways Trust – a successful Panmure outfit mentoring at-risk kids.
But it’s not enough to convince her electorate MP she’s worthy of being a Justice of the Peace.
Maori Party MP Hone Harawira represents Te Tai Tokerau and has vetoed nominating Ms Loza, stopping her dead in her tracks.
It didn’t matter that he hadn’t called her four referees – heads of three well-established community groups and a school principal – or that she’d been a JP in Australia for 25 years.
What mattered to Mr Harawira, whose electorate stretches from West Auckland to Cape Reinga, is neither he nor his Auckland contacts knew her. At least that’s what he emailed Ms Loza to explain his rejection.
As Ms Loza’s MP, Mr Harawira can deny her nomination without explanation or recourse.
Having failed Mr Harawira’s two-degrees-of-separation criteria, Ms Loza met him at the West City food court in Henderson. However, Mr Harawira told her he was concerned she hadn’t spent enough time in her community.
“For me there are two issues,” says Ms Loza. “One is the disappointment at not being able to give back to the community as a Maori in a role that I see is quite important for my community.
“The other is I’m annoyed with the response I’ve got from Hone because I think it’s an unfair response and I have no grounds to appeal it.”
This isn’t the first time Mr Harawira and Ms Loza have crossed paths. About a year earlier, she emailed him asking for advice on an electorate issue. Mr Harawira responded in very large bold lettering: “Yeah – take it up with your MP. I note you’re not on the Taitokerau roll.”
However, she was on his roll, and Mr Harawira later apologised for causing her distress.
Ms Loza is concerned this incident may have affected Mr Harawira’s decision not to support her JP nomination.
Mr Harawira won’t comment to The Aucklander about whether this influenced his decision. He says the JP nomination process is confidential.
Les Smith, president of the Auckland Justices of the Peace Association, says the appointment process is antiquated and politicians aren’t the right people to be sole gatekeepers. “It’s the last bastion of MPs being able to give political patronage to people they support, or supporters of them.”
He won’t comment on Ms Loza’s case but says, “If an MP decides not to go ahead with the appointment process on someone who is suitable just because they don’t agree with their politics or which tribe they belong to, well, that’s bullshit, quite frankly.”
To become a JP, Ms Loza’s only other option is to change electoral rolls from Maori to General, when next it is possible, in 2012, and apply to whomever is Waitakere MP.
For the time being, Mr Harawira’s decision is final.
July 29th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
F E Smith (591) Says:
July 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
South Africa is another example where historic racism has lead to a current situation of high levels of crime among one part of the population.
You obviously know what you are talking about, so how do you explain the fact that a massive amount of the crime in South Africa is committed by the ‘rufugees’ from the rest of sub-Saharan Africa?
July 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
The Journolisters are professionally employed journalists who work at some of America’s most prestigious and influential newsrooms: the Washington Post, New York Times, National Public Radio, New Republic, Time, Newsweek, CNN et al. Thus, they wield tremendous cultural clout and influence. To wit:
- the Journolisters’ attempt, during the 2008 presidential campaign to kill and bury stories about Obama’s relationship with “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright;
- their push to deliberately smear innocent conservative journalists and politicos as “racists” and “bigots”
-their twisted passion to see Rush Limbaugh killed off and dead;
-their intolerant desire to have the government censor and shut down Fox News; and
- their baldly partisan effort to coordinate liberal talking points that would discredit Sarah Palin and John McCain, while helping to elect Barack Obama president.
You can see the outcome of their campaigns in the words and opinions reproduced on this blog by the likes of Pete George and other easily infuenced knuckle dragging totalitarian fascists.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
starboard celebrating the death of a child are you ?
Typical reich wing types, how do you put it, nits grow into lice ?
Funny how ALL Maori are responsible, but when some pakeha knives a woman over two hundred times it has nothing to do with other pakeha in your eyes.
No double standards in your world are there ?
July 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
New topic for a mo … a request for confirmation
Did my ears betray me?
Don Nicolson, Federated Farmers chief on RNZ’s Labour Radio rural news today saying big foreign companies were eyeing up millions of hectares of NZ land, including farmland, with the idea of planting trees, which would earn subsidies from the NZ Government.
Astonishing, but I can’t find a repeat of the item anywhere. Not on the RNZ site.
He suggests “Queen Street farmers” as well as big Asian companies like Earnslaw are scoping the possibility, which would include beef and sheep land for ETS-benefiting trees. This would devastate some rural communities.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Brett Bozell nails it, especially with the bit about very callow and uninformed consumers.-
But these leaked messages are serious business. What they prove is that the “mainstream” media today are often just a shameless channel for leftist message coordination, and that anyone who assumes he’s simply getting the “news” from the national media is a very callow and uninformed consumer.
What’s most shocking is the silence. How many in the “mainstream” press are publicly denouncing those members of JournoList for their blatant disregard of journalistic ethics? Listen to the crickets.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/541851/201007281821/JournoList-Has-Proved-News-Is-Anything-But.aspx
July 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
You can see the hypocrisiy of Beck, Limbaugh et al vreproduced on this blog by the likes of Redbaiter and other unconservative right wingers who get sucked into any conspiracy theory that fits with their prejudices.
And you can also see them squirming to change the topic.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
grumpyoldhori (1,253) Says:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
just sort ya race out pal…its a fucken disgrace…
July 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Pete, its OK, as long as we’ve got redbaiter to refudiate the truth that’s out there.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Re Pete George’s 1.17 on “unconservative right wingers “.
Go on Pete, you love them, you’re always here.
But what is an “unconservative right winger”?
Surely you aren’t alleging Redbaiter is a closet liberal?
July 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
starboard so a Pakeha kniving a woman is not a disgrace in your eyes, why am I not surprised.
No doubt you will defend that sod who mowed a child down, why did you not mention him, oh, he is the right skin tone was he , so is not to be mentioned ?
Do better with your English, it is the only language that you are capable of using.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Pete George -Do you think people like Beck and Huckabee should disclose if they are being paid by companies
Do you think that Al Gore should have disclosed his interests in carbon trading and how much money he has made from it and his global warming scam?
Or do you believe he is at liberty to deceive?
I’d say that Gore has a far greater duty of disclosure as it affects so many billions more people and costs the world so many trillions of $’s more than a little Beck and Huckabee capitalism.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Starboard at 1.20 posted:
The notion of Maori and Pakeha being two separate races is increasingly flaky. A huge and increasing number of non-Maori have Maori genes and most Maori have white genes.
In addition: IMHO Starboard, when you ask that one group sorts out its problems by itself you are taking the line of separation, and that is a dangerous blind street.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Jack, I’m not alleging Redbaiter is anything, he’s so contradictory, and it’s impossible to be sure if he’s for real or not he can be so bizarre.
RB seems to like to make sure people have the right labels and claims to be a Conservative himself, but his proposals like revolutions, uprisings, “freedom” fighting, removing all current MPs from power, removing anyone he opposes from positions of power etc are hardly conservative ideas. Sounds quite radical to me.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Further on my 1.12 post on Foreigners targeting NZ tree subsidies…
The item is now on the RNZ news site and includes:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
What were/are his interests and how much money has he made from them?
Jack – yep, that’s a worry, one of my biggest problems with ETS and creating any sort of artificial market were the chances of unintended consequences.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Now, now, mawm.
What’s going on here is that there are competing stories. One story is that left-wing journalists have been colluding together to change and bury news that damages them and their preferred candidates (Reverend Wright is not relevant). This is something that you would expect right-wing websites (including famously conspiratorial sites like National Review) and blogs to focus on.
Apparently there is a tiny competing story that right-wing journalists are just as corrupt, albeit in different ways. That is being pursued by left-wing websites and blogs.
What Pete is trying to do here is get this right-wing site to focus on the latter story as well the left-wing sites. In that way – whatever the outcome of the actual debate on its merits – attention will be taken away from the first story. Hopefully nobody will talk about and it will drop from sight. That way, months later, the left will be able to claim that it was a non-story, irrelevant, a storm in a teabag
nobody is interested in talking about Reverend Wright.
This is the Preferred Narrative Strategy (also called “Look! Over There”)- which political operatives always try to achieve, but which reporters are traditionally supposed to avoid.
It’s exactly the sort of strategy the Journolisters were employing. I think you would agree that Pete is trying his hardest to follow it while RB is similarly refusing to move off-topic.
I need more popcorn.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
“Go on Pete, you love them, you’re always here.”
Just a moron troll. Uninformed, delusional and irrational. Its why he’s a leftist extremist and totalitarian fascist. You have to be brain damaged to buy into the shit he buys into.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Hehe I see (via Whaleoil) that the charity auction for dinner with Christopher Columbus Carter and his partner has been withdrawn. Apparently Whaleoil was leading the bidding… sounds like a repeat of the charity auction for a helicopter flight with Andrew Williams.
http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2010/07/28/whered-the-auction-go/
Onya Cam! They don’t like it up ‘em!
July 29th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Pete George – Google “gore carbon billionaire” and you’ll get over 4 million hits. You can read them yourself.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
“(Federated Farmers) President Don Nicolson says companies, such as Ernslaw One, which is Malaysian-owned; and Blakeley Pacific and Rayonier New Zealand, which are American-owned; have indicated there is potential for two million hectares of land in New Zealand to be planted in carbon forests.”
Nick Smith’s chickens coming home to roost.
July 29th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Tom – I just wanted to take the wind out of his sails.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Tom, look at how the thread has run – Cha introduced the Goldline/Beck story, I commented on it, then RB, mawm and now you are doing the “Look! Over There” routine – mawm has just admitted that was his intention.
You are correct, Reverend Wright is not relevant to it.
Maybe you missed the Goldline/Beck starter at 11.41
July 29th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
That’s hilarious, if his birthing and various other conspiracies are anything to go by Redbaiter is not likely to move of the Journalister story for about ten years. Should we not mention Beck until he has run out of steam on that in case we are accused of “going off-topic”?
July 29th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
” I see (via Whaleoil) that the charity auction for dinner with Christopher Columbus Carter and his partner has been withdrawn”
Your comment is awaiting moderation. July 29th, 2010 at 14:13
“the homophobe community who support you and Trade Me”
Heck, now there’s a word- “homophobe”. Derived from “homophobia” Which has as its root the Greek word “phobos” meaning flight and in English represented as “phobia” and usually forming a suffix to such words as claustrophobia, arachnophobia, etc- generally indicating an irrational fear that has as its root cause a mental or medical condition that can be diagnosed and treated by specialists.
As a responsible and leading member of the NZ media Mr. Edwards, perhaps you can advise how many people have been diagnosed as “homophobic” by official medical practitioners and how many sufferers have been treated for this condition and how many have been cured.
I mean, wouldn’t be right for the media to be using a made up propaganda term and trying to pass it off as some kind of mental condition would it? They’re surely all above attempting that kind of feeble deceit.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Pete – the “Look! Over There” routine – mawm has just admitted that was his intention.
You were attacking Glen for not declaring his interests so I wanted to put it in perspective to a lefty idols failure to declare. That is not a ‘look over there’ tactic but rather attacking your argument hence ‘taking the wind out of your sails’..
Two entirely different things.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Heh!
Let’s see – RB at 10698. Probably dating from June 2005 when Kiwiblog started registering commentators and the clocks were set or re-set. So an average of about 6 comments per day.
PG at 6101, dating from about June 2009. An average of 17 per day.
So as I figure it, around September 26, 2011, Pete will pass Redbaiter in total number of comments.
Perhaps commentators here can start a betting pool.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
mawm: you were trying divert to something else altogether
Tom: so are you – and that’s another thing that RB seems to obsess over
July 29th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Everybody quick, look over there..!!
July 29th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
homophobia – if it’s not in the DSM4 perhaps it will be in the new DSM5:
New mental health ‘bible’ will lead to almost everyone having a disorder, warn experts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1298262/Mental-health-bible-update-lead-having-disorder-warn-experts.html
I want a disorder. I wanna disorder um… a hot dog, two pieces of fish and a scoop of chips.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
“RB seems to like to make sure people have the right labels and claims to be a Conservative himself, but his proposals like revolutions, uprisings, “freedom” fighting, removing all current MPs from power, removing anyone he opposes from positions of power etc are hardly conservative ideas. Sounds quite radical to me.”
More evidence of PG’s political ignorance and narrow mindedness. Historically the body of ideas we now call Conservatism, (limited government, rule of law, individual liberty and responsibility) are profoundly radical, whereas the ideas he subscribes to, and that we now call Liberalism (fealty to The State, ownership by same, rule of man) are profoundly ossified.
July 29th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
That’s funny too RB, of course only “the left” would ever attempt to divert attention from embarrassing news, wouldn’t they. The “right” are above tactics like that.
Is it fair and balanced to promote products, claiming to represent the advertiser, and then deny it?
Maybe it only sounds radical top conservatives, seems quite a normal aspiration to me.
Not quite so normal is trying to start an uprising.
July 29th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
More seriously, re homophobia:
Psychologists do not recognize it as a phobia in any generally recognized publication like the DSM IV.
The word homophobia first appeared in print in an article written for the May 23, 1969, edition of the American tabloid Screw, in which the word was used to refer to heterosexual men’s fear that others might think they are gay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
July 29th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Labour Leadership Challenge? Who’d want that dead end job?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3970769/Labour-leadership-challenge-denied
Well, that one didn’t work, better dump my iPredict stock.
July 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
“Onya Cam! They don’t like it up ‘em!”
Pardon?
July 29th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
WebWrat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance-Corporal_Jack_Jones
July 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
RightNow.
I know.
I was being facetious!
July 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Further to my little episode in the lair of the wolf-
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Now Redbaiter, I’ve had just about enough of you. Common usage is the normal standard in deciding the current meaning of words. Language is a living thing and Greek and Latin prefixes and suffixes often tell us little more about a word than where it came from. Homophilia and homophobia derive from roots meaning ‘love of the same’ and ‘fear of the same’, but for some considerable time, the word homophobia has been most commonly used to mean ‘a dislike of or prejudice against homosexuals’. The New Shorter Oxford (1993) gives both the older and the more recent and commoner meanings. “afraid of or hostile to homosexuals”. I am a linguist, married to a linguist, Redbaiter. I have a doctorate in languages, which you have not had the courtesy to give me in any of your pretentious, smart-arsed comments. Come to think of it, I haven’t just about had enough of you. I’ve had enough of you full-stop. Goodbye!
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Which is kinda funny when one consider’s his post a day before-
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Can we just ban redbaiter already? (says Tom Semmens)
Whoa there, Tom. That would give him just cause for complaint. No, as long as he doesn’t defame anyone or resort to obscene abuse, his comments will be welcome.
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So that little rush of pure liberalism and tolerance from the good doctor didn’t last too long at all did it?
July 29th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
starboard 8:48 am,
I thought Bradford’s Bill was meant to stop all this …
July 29th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Kris K (2,736) Says:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
starboard 8:48 am,
A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.
I thought Bradford’s Bill was meant to stop all this …
I thought Jesus dying on the cross was meant to stop all this…
July 29th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Redbaiter 3:43 pm,
Brian who?
July 29th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
RightNow 11:40 am,
I posit that time only exists for those who exist within physical fleshly bodies – that time ceases to exist, as such, once we shuffle off this mortal coil. We will just ‘BE THERE’, in perpetuity.
July 29th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
“Brian who?”
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
I enjoy upsetting the self images of these arrogant leftist self appointed gatekeepers of “acceptable” opinion.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Redbaiter 12:36 pm,
That’s scary stuff, Red.
From your link:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Another new topic for a mo…
Appeasers who scoff at the economic imperialism of China, such as by Chinese firms aggressively buying into NZ agribusinesses (PGG Wrightson and Synlait) and even trying to snap up dairy land (the Crafars), should read this article from Der Spiegel.
Its headline, China’s soft power is a threat to the West, gives the drift.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,708645,00.html
July 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
NZ Herald has breaking news that Chris Carter is behind the “coup” letter, and has been suspended from the Labour Party:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
July 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
grumpyoldhori 1:28 pm,
No one is minimising crime committed by non-Maori, Hori.
But you have to admit there’s a problem when, as F E Smith cited earlier, “Maori in NZ make up 12-14% (?) of the population but 50% of the prison population.”
Surely ALL Maori, and indeed ALL New Zealanders, should be concerned with these statistics?!
And I say that as someone who is part Maori myself.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
It sounds like Chris Carter might be for the chopping block if he is behind todays leadership challenge letter.
If he is not cut loose then surely Goff has to go.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Kris K (2,739) Says:
July 29th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
starboard 8:48 am,
A baby admitted to hospital with severe head injuries after an alleged assault has died.
I thought Bradford’s Bill was meant to stop all this …
If that IS what you thought, then you thought wrong. But that’s not unusual for you, is it?
July 29th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Here is the story:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3970769/Chris-Carter-suspended-from-Labour-caucus
July 29th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Cater suspended from the Labour caucus.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3970769/Chris-Carter-suspended-from-Labour-caucus
July 29th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Oh that naughty Chris Columbus. I would have to bet he is acting on instructions from NY.
Frankly I’m wishing Labour would come out against allowing workers to cash in a week’s leave. I’d put money on it being the death knell for unions.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Labour have an opportunity to get fresh new talent on board!
Ironic that this seems to be over one of Goff’s sensible statements:
July 29th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
I loved this bit:
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/carter-suspended.html
July 29th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I wonder if Phil Goff has signed his own political death warrant simultaneously.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Typical Labour modus operandi: they do not care when their party members screw over the electorate, but show any disloyalty and you are out!
July 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Robert Mapplethorpe 4:13 pm,
“Everybody quick, look over there..!!” – It’s that queer perverted photographer’s namesake attempting to make capital on foreign territory …
July 29th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
For an experienced pollie, you would have thought he would have taken a better way of crashing and burning.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
“Oh that naughty Chris Columbus. I would have to bet he is acting on instructions from NY.”
If she told him to do it, she should have at the same time told him how to do it.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25831
July 29th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Yvette, he probably misunderstood the instruction to put the letter in a plain envelope, and instead put the letter in an envelope with a plane on it. Addressing it to Vernon Small was probably her idea. Doing it in his own handwriting was probably his.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
“Everybody quick, look over there..!!” – It’s that queer perverted photographer’s namesake attempting to make capital on foreign territory …”
LOL
Make sure you wash your hands afterwards if you ever happen to pick up his bullwhip.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
DPF is a true legend. He’s woken at 5am in London after getting texts from New Zealand to blog on Carter. No wonder he’s the best in the business!
July 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Let me see if I can get your mind around the following concept.
One of the reasons why so many right-wing blogsites have proliferated is that right-wingers like myself felt that stories we wanted to discuss were simply being ignored as not relevant by the high and mighty editors and reporters of mainstream papers, TV and radio.
As a result, if I feel that some story that bashes away relentlessly at some rightwinger (think George Allen and “Macaca”) has some importance then I’ll go take a look at all the usual suspects banging the drum (WaPo, NYT, Huffington Post, etc).
By the same token I’m not going to pay much attention to the same story being peddled by left-wing commentators on a right-wing site – especially if I know that there’s a big, juicy story on those sites about some key aspect of the left’s machinations, because then I’ll suspect that the left is trying to force a distraction.
You’ve been at this for days now, with links to people like Chait (member of Journolist) desperately trying to spin his way out of it, not to mention the usual attempts at mockery via language such as conspiracy. All power to the poor bastard as this is credibility life or death for him. But I don’t see why I should reward his efforts by talking about what he wants to talk about, let alone what a sympathetic commentator wants to talk about.
Is that so? The fact that Barry sat in a church for 20 years listening to a raving Jew-hater who unwinds conspiracy theories about white people deliberately infecting blacks with AIDS, a man to whom Obama handed his daughters to for religious education, the man who married the Obamas, a man whose spiel inspired the title of one of Obama’s autobiographies?
You’re saying that such things were not relevant to telling us about Obama: his principles, his judgment, his beliefs, the people he would select, the visions he would pursue? You were really willing to let Obama dismiss the subsequent public meltdown of his religious mentor with the outrageous bullshit claim that he had never heard anything like that from the mans mouth in the previous 20 years?
Really? Wright just suddenly snapped? You believed all that and thus saw no reason to wonder who Obama really was underneath the campaign spin? You and Richard Cohen both, although at least Cohen now openly wonders who Obama really is.
There is one easy test as to whether this was relevant or not: – imagine if it had been John McCain.
That’s a rhetorical question for you of course. You’ve acknowledged that you were perfectly in line with the Journolistas. No brainwashing required because you already agreed with them in advance.
Nah – I saw it –and ignored it for the reasons outlined above – plus the fact that I was focused on getting my project through the last stage of change management.
You can hammer away at Beck to your heart’s content, just don’t complain when nobody here can be bothered getting into a debate with you about it – and unless you like making people laugh, don’t try the spin-on-spin of complaining that right-wingers mocking or ignoring your efforts at diverting away from a topic of interest to right-wingers is itself the diversion.
To repeat: this is a right-wing blog site. Right-wingers here are going to talk about things you don’t want to talk about, from points of view you mostly don’t like or respect. Moroever, they’re not going to dance to your moderate centre-left tune-of-the-day selection. If they wanted to do that they’d all be over at Public Address.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Kris K you are right, the killing of that child was an absolute disgrace, but, when people try to suggest that only Maori cause crime by not mentioning crime caused by non Maori they are hiding THEIR heads in the sand.
Besides as mentioned by another all Maori and a hell of a lot of so called Pakeha have either Pakeha or Maori blood/DNA.
It would be interesting to run Starboards DNA through the test, a lot of so called Pakeha in the thirties,forties and fifties had Maori blood which they kept hidden.
A DNA check at birth for all kiwis would be interesting in it’s findings.
July 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Another bone to chew on…
Radio NZ’s Labour Radio seems to have abandoned any pretence at impartiality on the pig welfare issue. Other parts of the MSM are also emotional and putty in the hands of the factory-farm crusaders.
I abhor animal cruelty as much as anyone, but some of the folk campaigning on pig farming practices are fanatics who would also ban people from even having pet dogs. They would wipe out NZ livestock farming, without which, of course, this country goes down into the lower deciles of the Third World. They would probably even ban the use of mice in medical research. They will be campaigning against pig hunting next.
Fuck these nut cases!
Naturally, the MSM should cover pig welfare allegations, However, they could treat it neutrally and unemotionally and with the mild scepticism appropriate for all campaigns by zealots.
You would think from the tone of some of the reporters, that they were talking to suspected war criminals. It seemed to me tonight the Labour Radio reporter was almost rude to a vet she interviewed. There was rabbiting on about unreturned phone calls. The NZ farming community deserves the same level of courtesy and moderate tone as used to interview a prominent Labour figure on the Chris Carter issue.
It’s bad enough having an advertisingless radio channel of the Left financed by taxpayers, but it’s intolerable if it’s going to be tabloid leftist radio channel bludging on the taxpayer, with all pretence at impartiality abandoned.
Sell Labour Radio now!
July 29th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
As I said over here: http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=766#comment-1705
“It is absolutely impossible to have any respect for any politician these days.
They may be able to feed bull shit to the sheeple but I wouldn’t even trust them to feed out hay to my sheep.
Was it Keeting that said to someone in Parliament, “You haven’t got the brains of a sheep!” When forced to apologise, he said, “I apologise, you do have the brains of a sheep!”
Carter … sheep shit for brains.
And these pricks get to run our country.
FFS!”
July 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I agree with Grumpy. There are plenty of pieces of white trash in this country that do some pretty awful things.
I can understand that Starboard and others get pissed off with Maori academics and “leaders” who constantly try to turn this sort of crap back on Pakeha society – but as bad as that is it should not be an excuse for indulging in comments like ..another one dead…what a race eh…
It’s not about anything inherent in the genes of our race. I don’t normally indulge in the use of an already over-used term of abuse – but that sort of comment really is literal, racist, bullshit.
It’s a crap situation and it has arisen because people have been brought up to believe that they are not really responsible for themselves and their actions. Whatever they do, it’s a reaction to what someone else has done – even if done a hundred years ago – or the bland, opaque villain of “Society”. That too is bullshit.
I don’t know what the answer is – but I’m sure that it starts with looking that prick in the eye and telling him that there are no excuses: that he did, that he lost control of his emotions, that before he’s allowed back into society he’s going to have to cool his heels for a long, long time while he learns the lesson, and that any excuse given will be ignored.
Moreover, the same message has to be given – eye-to-eye – to all his friends and family that may make excuses for him and others who have merely been “lucky” so far in not severely hurting or killing.
Only from that point on there can there be any hope.
July 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
It’s a wonder people haven’t picked up on this Most Important Issue> M.I.I.
Green MP Kevin Hague:
“We are moving into a new phase of the collective national discussion about the Treaty, and as Greens we have a responsibility both to be an active and ethical voice in that discussion but also to work to equip others to participate in that discussion from an informed and principled basis, rather than sheer short term self interest.
Discussion to date has focused on the return of usually a small fraction of those resources unfairly taken from Maori as reparation, on reducing inequalities and on the rights of Maori as an ethnic and cultural minority with a threatened language and culture. While some of these issues have been addressed in part through the deliberations of the Waitangi Tribunal, these issues are, in fact, largely unrelated to the Treaty. If there were no Treaty, as there is not in a number of other societies around the world, these would all still be issues that would need to be addressed in a fair and just society.
The phase of the discussion that we now need to move into is one that that focuses on Maori status as the indigenous people of this country and on the actual content of the Treaty: a statement of the terms and conditions for the presence of non-Maori. The Maori right to self-determination pre-dated the Treaty and was not altered by it. What is at issue in understanding the Treaty are the rights of non-Maori.*
*At the 2002 Green Party conference Turei put a remit forward calling for the Greens to endorse the “Maori” version of the Treaty Of Waitangi.
http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/37180151/GREENS-FACE-OBILIVION
One awaits with interest
July 29th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Cha, DenseOldFuckwit, Delirium and Billy Bonkers continue to wail about the VRWC in their effete bubble of theirs. All the while they preach about the wonders of public transport which is HATEFUL and ATROCIOUS and ABSOLUTELY SHIT; however, all the rage I accumulated spending an hour and a half on an Auckland bus melted away after I learnt about the Labour Party is disintegrating at full pelt. I love it. Go Carter, go!
July 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Mawm, the refugees in South Africa are multi-ethnic, so one cannot ascribe it to a particular group. So the cause must be something else. What they do have in common is a large amount of permanently unemployed young men, and that going back over a generation or more. There are other factors, of course, but that is a common feature.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:07 am
I haven’t.
You started accusing me of diversion in your first post. Tom, like anyone else, you can ignore what I post if you want to, but three of your four posts here have been attempting to try and bluster me away. Maybe it is you providing the amusement.
To repeat: this is DPFs blog site. So far he has an open policy on who can post. Some right-wingers seem to claim it as their site, but it is no more or less their site than mine. The fact that my views are much more in line with DPF than the far right claim jumpers here escapes them. If you want a narrow minded mutual back slapping experience and don’t what to start your own blog then try Crusader Rabbit.
July 30th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
WOOPS! Meant to post this in the July 30 debate. Will repost.
Paul G. Buchanan’s 4.21 post links to a very interesting article, presumably by him, on the Kiwipolitico blog. (I repeat the link below).
This is how the immigration debate should be widened. People like Hickey (my 3.49 post) would shut down such debate by innuendo of or overt accusations of “racism”.
The danger in the political elite and economics-financial sector people like Hickey shutting down debate is that it will eventually and inevitably lead to a nasty counteraction with more extreme debate. Perhaps if National and Labour don’t want NZ First resurrected, they should open the immigration debate themselves.
Buchanan rightly points out that there are far wider aspects to immigration than purely economic aspects, and shows how Singapore practises quite strong racial preferences in its immigration and population policy. Interestingly, I believe Singapore is the homeland of NZ Hooerald writer Lincoln Tan, who writes up the cause of Chinese migrants in Auckland.
As well as the PC fog that stifles discussion of the racial make-up of immigration, just as the European media long stifled discussion of Muslim migration into Europe, there is a general reluctance to discuss anything that might reflect badly on China. PM Key apologises for an MP who protests about the ruthless Chinese colonisation of Tibet. In Auckland (link below) the Hooerald trumpets about China financing Confucian centres in NZ.
For the real story about the Confucian centres see the second link below, to a report from Der Spiegel about China’s foreign policy. Here’s a relevant extract:
Link to the Buchanan article:
http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/07/the-racial-basis-of-a-small-se-asian-state/
Link to NZ Herald Confucian centres in NZ schools:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/chinese-in-nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=147&objectid=10660868
Link to Der Spiegel article on China’s foreign strategy:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,708645,00.html