Labour’s balanced transport policy

July 26th, 2010 at 8:18 pm by David Farrar

’s Darien Fenton has said:

“Labour would support the lowering of the alcohol limit, because anything that will save lives on our roads is worth doing,” says Ms Fenton.

So we know what to look forward to if Labour get elected. Labour have said they will support anything that will save lives. Therefore I expect we will see:

  • A maximum speed limit of 30 km/hr. This will save hundreds of lives.
  • All cars to be fitted with technology which restricts speed to 30 km/hr
  • A doubling of petrol tax as pushing poor people off the roads will mean less traffic crashes.
  • A zero blood alcohol limit for all motorists
  • Carless Days, like under Muldoon, This should reduce the by one seventh.
  • An offence to eat or drink while driving, as this can cause distractions
  • An offence to change the radio station while driving

What other policies can you think of for Labour, with their declaration that anything that will save lives on our roads is worth doing?

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59 Responses to “Labour’s balanced transport policy”

  1. m@tt (587 comments) says:

    Have you been drinking?

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  2. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    All passengers to be bound and gagged – though that one might have too much support!

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  3. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    Actually DPF, I think that Labour will be so eager to form a coalition with the Greens that they will campaign on a total ban on cars ;-)

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  4. Michael (894 comments) says:

    All buses to be banned from roads. Should improve inner city pedestrian safety no end.

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  5. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Labour would support the lowering of the alcohol limit, because anything that will save lives on our roads is worth doing,” says Ms Fenton.

    As if we really needed any more reminders as to the intellectual barrenness of the left. Uneducated, ignorant of history, pumped full of corrupt and decrepit doctrine, they’re a blight on civilisation the world over.

    If Labour ever makes it back into power, I’ll be looking forward to the removal of all of those ugly power poles at the sides of the roads though.

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  6. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    “What other policies can you think of for Labour, with their declaration that anything that will save lives on our roads is worth doing?”

    Ban on Asian drivers, ban on female drivers….

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  7. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    pensioners and people driving on the left should be a bare minimum.

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  8. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    This car allowed on roads only. It can be built locally which will provide jobs and consumes no fossil fuels, making it environmentally friendly. We will call it the KrazyKatherineMobile, and we will lead the world in human propelled non-motor transport!

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  9. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    @M@tt: I think the point, subtle as it may be (which is not very), is that it’s an explicit statement that Labour will make policies along emotive lines rather than undertaking proper cost/benefit analyses. All parties do this to an extent, but often less cynically than Labour, who aren’t basing this on ideological blinkers but are instead engaging in what is known as lowest common denominator politicking.

    Of course, populist politicking around the media issues of the day by the major party out of power does not necessarily mean the policies suggested as part of that will be implemented once power is gained. It displays desperation and a lack of well thought out policy alternatives, and is cynical and contributes to the lowering of the standards of political discourse.

    National do the same, of course, and sometimes that is pointed out here.

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  10. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    It should be illegal for the Labour PM’s motorcade to speed through the South Island at 160km/hr on a pathetic pretext.

    Oops… that one is already illegal.

    How about making it illegal for Labour ministers to get as pissed as a Dyson and then get behind the wheel of a car?

    Hmmm… maybe that one is already illegal as well.

    That just leaves restricting vehicles to walking pace and having a bloke walking in front of each one waving a red flag. But only as long as the bloke doesn’t have a probationary period.

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  11. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    All cars to be fitted with 1-metre thick foam rubber bumpers.

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  12. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    All cars to have a man with a flag and loudhailer walking in front of them to alert pedestrians of the imminent appearance of a motor vehicle.

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  13. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    Abolish cars, everyone to travel by moonhopper.

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  14. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    Prohibit alcohol.

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  15. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    Raise the driving age from 15 to 85.

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  16. The Silent Majority (82 comments) says:

    No more abortions?

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  17. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    All vehicles to be painted violent pink for improved visibility.

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  18. s.russell (1,559 comments) says:

    All vehicles to be made of marshmallow (though chocolate will be permitted for the wheels).

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  19. Nigel (507 comments) says:

    How about data loggers for every vehicle with instant tolls and fines, combined with implants on people to catch the cyclists and skateboarders on any decent hill. Aw heck just ban rural new zealand they don’t vote labor anyway.

    Being serious labour have totally lost the plot now, they are making hc seem reasonable, keep this up and act will out poll them as they are risking greens and Maori sucking the guts out of labour, it needs one more party on the left to cause carnage IMHO.

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  20. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    Always thought the idea on 17th Century English stage coaches of having someone with a Trumpet on the roof to warn of the approach of the coach was sufficiently Luddite for Labour – but perhaps not!

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  21. gravedodger (1,506 comments) says:

    Put all over 35 in concentration camps to be turned into bio fuels. double whammey reduce vehicles and improve economic outcome.
    A very socialist( National) of course trialed extensively in the mid 20th century by one Schikelgreuber If I recall correctly.

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  22. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Leave nothing to chance. Abolish roads.

    The whole problem with capitalism is that people are getting out too much. They get ideas above their station.

    Oh yes, abolish trains too.

    If they still manage to get out, abolish legs.

    And hands – to keep the stay-at-homes off the information superhighway.

    On second thoughts, compulsory blinding and deafening may be more practical.

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  23. Rex Widerstrom (5,253 comments) says:

    ““Labour would support the lowering of the alcohol limit, because anything that will save lives on our roads is worth doing,” says Ms Fenton.

    “In a similar precautionary frame of mind, we’ll be locking up anyone seen with a smirk on their face, as they’re clearly intending to get up to something. Also anyone seen scratching… that could get infected and lead to an epidemic. Oh, and anyone running a blog. We need to prevent the fomenting of mischief, happy or otherwise,” Ms Fenton said, before tunnelling her way out of the press conference “in case the sky starts falling”.

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  24. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,810 comments) says:

    Labour can introduce a “Working for Families Ferrari tax credit”

    Statistics show more people die on New Zealand roads in vehicles that are not made by Ferrari than are. Therefore Labour will provide all “Hard working families” with brand new Ferrari vehicles at the taxpayers expense because Labour is the only party that “thinks of the children”.

    The policy will be paid for by the introduction of a 110% corporation tax.

    Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance the Liquor industry, and then the Liquor industry goes out… and the corporations sit there in their… in their corporation buildings, and… and, and see, they’re all corporation-y… and they make money.

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  25. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    What’s next from Darien Fenton; decriminalising heroin?

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  26. Nigel (507 comments) says:

    mandatory roller derby style body armor for all children would reduce their chances of injury.

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  27. Jibbering Gibbon (200 comments) says:

    Make dying on the road illegal and enforce it with stiff penalties – like home detention.

    » Carless Days, like under Muldoon, This should reduce the road toll by one seventh.

    One seventh reductions in everything can be made by extending this idea to Careless Days. Recessions, Emissions, industrial relations, tax issues, crime – one day a week everyone just sits around doing nothing instead.

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  28. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    “one day a week everyone just sits around doing nothing instead.”

    A day of rest? Sheesh, that’s a NEW concept!!!!!!!!!

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  29. rouppe (913 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf

    That car is made of plastic. Plastic is a petroleum based product, sourced from oil, making it a consumer of fossil fuel…

    Ideas:
    1) Remove all audio equipment to prevent distractions from fiddling with the controls.
    2) Allow only one person per car so there is no distracting chatter
    3) Require a Labour Party member to ride in every car to ensure the rules are being followed. Nice side benefit of increasing the Public Service. Obviously can’t have 2) at the same time though

    Actually David the 30kph speed limit would have problems because horses travel faster than that, so all horses would have to wear traces when being ridden…

    What a pack of Muppets those Labour Losers are. Lets not even mention that they had 10 years to ‘do anything to reduce the road toll’.

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  30. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Who is Fenton? Another forgettable socialist moron, whose claim to fame is to spout inanities like the quoted above.
    Labour is condemned to a long stint in opposition with MPs of her intellectual stature (a true pygmy).

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  31. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    Well, Darren seems to be in pretty good company.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3959678/Failure-to-lower-blood-alcohol-limit-scandalous-says-expert

    Having said that, we’re talking about reducing the death toll by about 5%, not a huge target. Simply put, the vast majority of road deaths are not related to alcohol consumption. Alcohol seems to be an easy target but ultimately some drivers simply make bad decisions, irrespective of whether they’ve been drinking.

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  32. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    A ban on Prime Ministarial motocades.

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  33. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    a.BAN left wing university teachers like Palmer & and Young
    b. Ban all list MPs
    c. Ban all Taxis
    d. Ban all statements by “reseachers” that are not supported by research.

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  34. Bob (478 comments) says:

    Accepting that Labour members are not really stupid Ms Fenton has not expressed herself very well. I wouldn’t think Phil Goff would support her statement.

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  35. James Stephenson (2,006 comments) says:

    Stop running trains on any tracks which cross roads by means of level-crossings.

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  36. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    make all roads one way.

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  37. peterwn (3,140 comments) says:

    All very well for Labour’s intellectuals to promote such policies, until they realise it would put the ‘cloth cap’ vote at risk.

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  38. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    @ peterwn – Darien Fenton an intellectual? ROFLMAO

    Darien Fenton is a former official of the Service and Food Workers’ Union – ’nuff said?

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  39. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    “Labour interlectual” Inv.

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  40. backster (2,073 comments) says:

    LABOUR knows whats best for us they will tell us what to do and when and how to do it and make sure we get entitlements.

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  41. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    The more rules you have the tougher they have to be because there are fewer lives to save?

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  42. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Doesn’t matter how many rules you have or how “tough” they are, if they are not enforced then you have nothing.

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  43. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    It would be good for Labour to be back in power… for the sole reason… it makes for far better right wing blog comments.

    What’s wrong with a zero blood alcohol limit for all motorists… the Nats will do it after the next election anyway….especially if already known results on zero blood alcohol limit proves successful for the under 20s.

    Before the next election I doubt National will do anything now that is still necessary.. in fear that will upset their voters… labeling them a nanny state govt like Labour… yet thats what they are… worse still is they now blow with the wind… for votes not principle..

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  44. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Whats wrong is many people will show some alcohol due to medication, hand sanitisers or any other number of perfectly innocent reasons.

    This is just more shit legislation from a nation that is infamous for producing badly thoughtout legislation. Police disrection anyone?

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  45. Pete George (22,733 comments) says:

    What’s wrong with a zero blood alcohol limit for all motorists…

    It’s impractical and unfair for a start.

    What’s wrong with having a couple of drinks and then driving?

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  46. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    Lowering the alcohol limit will have the same effect on the road toll as microchipping dogs had on dog attacks and banning smacking had on children being bashed to death.

    It’s all about a style of government which is about the appearence of doing something, rather than doing something effective.

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  47. RRM (9,420 comments) says:

    Don’t be silly DPF.

    That emphasis on “anything” in “ anything that will save lives” is entirely your own, and you know it.

    You could equally mock Judith “I’m gonna crush boy racer cars yo” Collins for the disconnect between certain words out of her mouth and reality, but you don’t do you?

    [DPF: The emphasis was added by me, but it is such an appalling statement it deserves highlighting.]

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  48. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    RRM talks about other peoples discontection of reality, well theres an oxymoron moment.

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  49. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Whats wrong is many people will show some alcohol due to medication, hand sanitisers or any other number of perfectly innocent reasons.

    Well that can be your defense… but if it’s effecting your blood level say over 20% then you have no defense ..you shouldn’t be driving under the influence of that medication etc… and don’t use alcohol laced products and then drive… it is your choice.

    Anyway…under National I can see the beginning of the end of the good old Kiwi life style… National has given in to Maori demands more than any other party in NZ’s history.. dividing New Zealander’s from having one law for all… It has opened the gates to China that in a very short time will dominate NZ and its culture for the future…

    All good for big business and the rich… that can afford to take their lifestyles and holidays overseas… but it will be the end of NZ and the NZ lifestyle most Kiwi’s now know and love.

    At least Labour were multicultural and did not bend over for only Maori demands.

    National is selling out all New Zealand including Maori and nobody can see it.

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  50. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Inventory2 7:13 am,

    “one day a week everyone just sits around doing nothing instead.”

    A day of rest? Sheesh, that’s a NEW concept!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t think New Zealand is ready for something as new and novel as “a day of rest”.
    I imagine suicides would go through the roof as people have to contemplate how they will fill the time – not to mention the pressure and stresses many would face as they contemplate relating to their children/parents/spouses/friends/relatives.

    The original suggester of “a day of rest” is dangerous and such ideas should be made illegal – lock him up now, before he suggests even more radical concepts!!!

    [They're comming for you, Jibbering Gibbon.]

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  51. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    gravedodger 10:54 pm,

    Put all over 35 in concentration camps to be turned into bio fuels. double whammey reduce vehicles and improve economic outcome.
    A very socialist( National) of course trialed extensively in the mid 20th century by one Schikelgreuber If I recall correctly.

    While the above may have worked in the mid 20th century, I’m not sure how well it would work in 21st century New Zealand? Afterall, do those under 35 actually work and contribute to the nation’s GDP?

    Perhaps you need to revise your figure upward to, say, whatever the current age of retirement is. Those that choose to retire early could simply report to their nearest ‘retirement’ camp with instructions for their ‘caregivers’ to get the bio-fuel ‘converter’ ready. Now THAT would have some real economic benefits!

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  52. RRM (9,420 comments) says:

    LOL, right back at you Murray. Stick the oxymoron in your catapult and launch it at some barbarian hoardes.

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  53. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    How about getting all those wrecks off the road. A car that is more than 15 years old that is not warranted/registered nor has third party insurance gets taken to the crusher. That will really please all those Labour voters on benefits.

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  54. burt (7,791 comments) says:

    Youn have forgotten the special case for speed limits. If you say ‘hurry hury or I’ll miss the rugby’ then you can go as fast as you like as long as you claim to not notice how fast the car is travelling.

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  55. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    Please please Mr Little (Phil will be gone by then) can we have my industry protected the same way the noise making one is?

    Can we have all private cars restricted to strictly private journeys for the owner and immediate family only and all other journeys transporting friends, extended families, goods and/or strangers done only by special permit including a fee payable to professional transport providers?

    This is of course how your lot moved to protect the laughingly described “music” industry and would save lives by having a larger percentage of professional drivers on the roads as well as enabling those drivers to buy more expensive (read pretend environmentally friendly) cars – again saving lives by preventing the sea rising and drowning everyone.

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  56. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Labour will of course need the Greens to get the numbers which means that all cars will be banned.We will all go back to walking and skipping along in our scivvies singing kumbaya.After a short period from the great leap backwards communists will be granted special privileges such as a genuine Che Guevara motor scooters complete with chromed handlebars. The motor scooters will of course be powered by recycled cowpoo to give us the impression of a feel good factor plus cannabis will be legalised to combat drunk vodka drinking communists celebrating Helengrad day.

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  57. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    On RedAlert, I posted a comment there on one of Darien’s blog post on minimum wage. I included a link to an excellent summary by local economist Dr. Eric Crampton on the disadvantage of the minimum wage laws, but Darien refused to read those. Eric’s summary includes peer review economic studies on the subject of minimum wage laws done by scholars overseas.

    In her (Darien’s) reply to my message, she stated something like: Falafulu, I might have tempted to read the article but because it is a rightwing spin, I won’t. Jesus Christ! It is exactly akin to mystics (numerology, faith-healers, psychics, etc…) who claim that they dismiss any scientific criticism of their practice simply because science can’t disprove their claims, even though the observation/data from test have showed from time to time that mystics are simply deluded. This is typically what you call, arguing from a position of ignorance. Somehow, objective facts can be categorised as right-wing facts or left-wing facts.

    Darien must understand that facts are facts, irrelevant of political ideology. Have we heard this sort of argument before? Sure, coming from proponents of mysticism. They say, that western science can’t explain eastern science (i.e., psychic, materialization, faith-healers). Basically, this means to them (mystics) that there must be 2 different types of science. One is western and the other is eastern. I interpret this as something like, there is a Western Newtonian Laws of Physics and also a different Eastern Newtonian Laws of Physics. Can we spot the bullsh*t? Yep, Newtonian Laws of Physics is simply Newtonian Laws of Physics and it has no Western, Eastern, Mediteranian, African variant at all. It is simply one universal Newtonian Laws of Physics for the entire universe, period. Facts are facts, irrelevant of who is looking at those. Be it a right-winger, left-winger, an Indian, a Pacific Islander, etc… , the observed facts must stand on their own, and policies must be in line with reality (i.e., those observed facts).

    Also Darien’s reply to my message (the same blog post), said that she could cite studies that showed the opposite to what those peer reviewed economic papers that Eric referenced. I challenged her on a different thread to cite her sources, but so far she had gone quiet on my challenge. I am not sure whether she understands the difference between refereed economic articles/publications and internet opinions (especially union-affiliated ones). We all know that there is a huge difference in online opinion articles and refereed articles.

    It is unbelievable, that if our politicians disregard facts (they’re supposed to be well-briefed or well-versed about the issues that they’re dealing with in parliament), then what hope is there?

    PS : This is the sort of comments at RedAlert that has landed me in their moderation list, because they view my posts as troll. When one talks about reality/truth, then they call it there at RedAlert as troll. They simply can’t tell the difference between reason argument and one’s inability to put forward a counter-argument. I’ve been told by Clare, that if I don’t like being moderated, then don’t comment there at all.

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  58. jaba (2,089 comments) says:

    I thought Ruth hic Dyson was Labours Drink Driving subject expert .. mind you, Darien looks like she has had a few.
    my only “off” was when changing stations on my car radio therefore all radio stations should be banned from playing crap music.
    on a more serious note, I always drive with my low lights on (pity all the cops don’t lead by example and do the same) even though the main reason is to let the ignorant slow drivers to get out of the way.

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  59. Crampton (214 comments) says:

    @Falafulu: There are studies showing no effect of minimum wage changes (see Hyslop’s study for NZ) and one showing a positive effect (Card & Krueger). But rather strong consensus of the economics literature goes the other way.

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