I think I agree with Trevor

August 8th, 2010 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The HoS reports:

A drug dealing 12-year-old took a kilogram of cannabis to sell to his mates at an intermediate school.

The kid with the stash, worth about $7000, was busted when his friends at Auckland’s Manurewa Intermediate were caught smoking some of the cannabis.

The 12-year-old had been given the by a family member to sell at school.

I hope that family member is now in jail.

Labour’s education spokesman, , said and Child, Youth and Family () should be told of every drugs case in primary and intermediate schools.

“The sharing of this information could well help the kid in the long run. It might be that CYF and police decide to do nothing but they should have that information.

“That’s something that the minister should look at.”

But Education Minister Anne Tolley indicated on Friday that was unlikely. “This issue should be of concern to everyone – parents, communities, boards of trustees and teachers,” she said.

“Boards manage schools and develop their own policies – and most would notify the police or CYF in the event of a drugs issue. That’s a commonsense approach – and schools shouldn’t need the Government to tell them that.”

I’m basically with Trevor on this one. If we are talking kids not yet at secondary school, then I think there must be mandatory notification. This is too important to leave to school discretion. Sure you don’t want schools having to report every 17 year old who is caught with some pot, but hell if a kid is into drugs at age 10 or 12, then they are at serious risk of a life of dysfunctionality.

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27 Responses to “I think I agree with Trevor”

  1. tvb (4,307 comments) says:

    I am with Ann Tolley on this. Boards should be left to manage this without people in Wellington telling them what to do. I get tired of people in Wellington thinking they know best and us native in the provinces paint ourselves in woad.

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  2. Robert Mapplethorpe (125 comments) says:

    When will we be grown up enough to have a sensible debate on drug policy and reclassify drugs and their use (not abuse) on the basis of harm minimisation? Why do we continue to treat a drug such as MaryJane far more harshly than alcomahol when the potential for ill effects is the other way round?

    Of course, that would require NZ to grow balls and tell the yanks to fuck off, we don’t want any part of their “war on drugs” that simply enriches a few and makes criminals of many.

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  3. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    Unfortunately for everyone, CYF may be even worse for the child.

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  4. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    I need help.

    I agree with both comments so far.

    Prohibition of anything simply does not work. The only strategy that will work is education in an informative, and factual manner.

    Not patronising or haughty. Drugs should be legalised and freely available after a chat to a team of Counselors in drop in centres.

    Take out the profit element, take out the ‘dare value’, and cut the legs off the many evil bastards manufacturing re-cut and crappy shit.

    Then there might be a small chance of slowly pushing back the tide. Any recent Immigrant found to be involved in drug manufacture, supply or similar should be immediately be repatriated after ALL money/assets being confiscated. International sequestration.

    That will pay for the legal and planned approach.

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  5. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    Drug decriminalisation will make this country more drug-befuddled that it is already.

    Drugs, including cannibis, ruin lives. Only the self blinded cannot see it.

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  6. Robert Mapplethorpe (125 comments) says:

    Don, one word – bullfuckingshit.

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  7. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    Robert.

    We all see where you sit on most issues, so I’m not the least surprised at your shock /horror reaction.

    Commie Dimbulb.

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  8. BeaB (2,103 comments) says:

    Lots of things I would report to CYF before cannabis. In my experience of schools, every discovery of pot had been brought from home. The reason the drugs indurstry is so big in NZ is that there are so many customers! We don’t want CYF poking their nose into every home where a bit of pot is smoked. It would grow into a monster.
    CYF should be delaing with abuse and neglect. Let the police deal with drugs, if we are determined to persist with this fruitless policy of prohibition.

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  9. Robert Mapplethorpe (125 comments) says:

    Thanks Don, and I love your new tag line. :-)

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  10. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    No probs Robert.

    Its well earned. ;-)

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  11. Komata (1,157 comments) says:

    I find it ironic that it is a Labour MP who is indulging in this faux-hand wringing and indignation. ironic because it was that party which introduced the liberal no-responsibility, level playing field, ‘mustn’t discipline because it will hurt peoples feelings’ policies that have IMHO led directly to this sort of situation.

    That combined with Labour’s very deliberate ‘lets destroy the traditional family of Mum, Dad and children’ policies have produced this situation – as they were told they would.

    So Mr. Mallard, don’t wring your hands in false hypocritical despair. You and your socialist mates knew precisely what you were doing when you ‘liberalised’ the various social systems in NZ – and then proceeded to try to destroy them completely.

    I’m just very glad that you didn’t succeed.

    I bet you haven’t got the intestinal fortitude to actually get in there and help clean-up the mess that you, Helun and ypur cronies have made, but then you wouldn’t would you.ideaology is all, and any damage is collateral and ‘expected’.

    Pity about that (and that our host actually believes your words. . . )

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  12. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    @Don the Kiwi: It’s communism to advocate for personal choice and resposibility now? Or personal choice and responsibility is only good when it’s related to something you like?

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  13. Robert Mapplethorpe (125 comments) says:

    JK – Both.

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  14. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    I’m with Tolley with one proviso.

    Any drug issues within a school should be reported to the education authorities and if the police were not advised a bloody good excuse why not should be supplied.

    Failure in either case should result in (temporarily) one less headmaster.

    JiveKitty, thank you, your 10:22 post has started my day off brilliantly.

    It’s not often one encounters such complete stupidity to the point of making me laugh out loud so early on a Sunday.

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  15. backster (2,135 comments) says:

    You might agree with Trevor and indeed I agree with his sentiments. I think however the reporter named ‘NASH’ has spun the article to show Trevor in a good light and Tolley in a bad light. She states Tolley ‘indicated” and the small quotation that followed may well be out of context….The Children’s Commissioner demonstrates why he is surplus to requirements.

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  16. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman: Hm, my post was stupid? It was in response to what Don the Kiwi said:

    “Drug decriminalisation will make this country more drug-befuddled that it is already.

    Drugs, including cannibis, ruin lives. Only the self blinded cannot see it.”

    “Robert.

    We all see where you sit on most issues, so I’m not the least surprised at your shock /horror reaction.

    Commie Dimbulb.”

    which was tangential to the topic rather than coming from the belief that children are equipped to deal with drugs.

    Initially, I thought that it was fine to leave it to school discretion, but then again, I also don’t have a problem with schools that receive state funding being dictated to on an issue such as this.

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  17. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    JiveK.

    My response to Robert was following on from his Redbaiter style disagreement with me. I responded in kind.

    Personal choice and reponsibilty is fine – but there has not been much of that in recent decades – cannabis is now 4 or so times stronger than it was, The proliferation of ‘P’ and various other drugs in our society does not say much for personal choice and responsibilty now does it. All drugs – includung alcohol cause damage to our society, and therefore the state ha a responsibilty to minimise the harm caused by drugs.

    And now, do you really think that children are equipped to deal with drugs? Really??

    What MT Tinman said.

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  18. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    This is why you do not go soft on drugs.

    There are evil people out there that use children to sell mind destroying drugs to children for their own lowlife scummy profit.

    These people have no respect for the better and enlightening things that our society has to offer ,free education,advancement thro hard work and achievement etc etc

    No amount of education and harm minimisation bollcks will make any difference to the bastards that would traffick drugs to school children .

    So to the likes of the anti American Mapplethorps out there, “go fuck your selves”…….and harm minimisation is as he puts it “bull fucking shit” , which is not one word ,it’s 2. Too much wacky backy me thinks.

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  19. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    I’ll quote myself, Don: “rather than coming from the belief that children are equipped to deal with drugs.”

    Your initial reaction did not appear to be about children. It appeared to be about decriminalisation or legalisation, which deals with individual liberties. You then appeared to call Robert a communist.

    I don’t hold the belief that minors have the faculties to deal with drugs. But from the post-minor point onwards, I see the costs of (failed) prohibition as outweighing the benefits of controlled legalisation and taxation, and also as an unnecessary impingement of the state on the rights of the individual to do to themselves as they will. It is also inconsistent policy in many cases as a good number of substances which are illegal are considered less harmful than substances which are legal. Consistent and evidence-based policy, please.

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  20. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    “There are evil people out there that use children to sell mind destroying drugs to children for their own lowlife scummy profit.”

    “No amount of education and harm minimisation bollcks will make any difference to the bastards that would traffick drugs to school children .”

    Agree. This should continue to be strongly discouraged.

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  21. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    As long as cannabis is illegal it should be a criminal offense not to inform the police of people possessing, holding and dealing in it.
    That applies to everyone which would include all staff (teaching and otherwise) and Boards of Trustees.
    failure to do so should be a sackable offense for all concerned.

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  22. burt (8,169 comments) says:

    The family have been watching ‘Weeds’. TV’s the problem, ban it.

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  23. BeaB (2,103 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    It’s a popular image – the nasty drug peddlar hanging round the shcool gate but I repeat – most of the drugs brought into schools come from home. Just as kids usually pinch booze from home to bring to school or school events.
    If we report everything to CYFS what about alcohol, obesity, the list is endless. Perhaps we should all be licensed by CYFS before we have kids and then have annual registration. We do it for our dogs.

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  24. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Bloody hell, show and tell has come on a bit since I was at school!

    Best option, take the kid to the nearest international airport, and check him and his luggage in on a one way flight to Bali! After the first three or four, the message should start to get through!

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  25. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Beab
    What a great idea, I’m surprised it hasn’t been tried.

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  26. GJ (329 comments) says:

    The problem is not so much a drug problem as it is a poor parenting problem. The sooner we understand this the better!

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  27. Steve (4,538 comments) says:

    BeaB,

    Are you a Teacher? is so your speeling is fucking shocking. Now be a good student and find your mistakes.

    “The reason the drugs indurstry is so big in NZ is that there are so many customers” Right! Maybe you are one of them.
    Shit, I just pointed out a mistake.
    Teach the children right from wrong BeaB, the the drug problem may not be such an uncontrollable problem.

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