Pagani for Mana?

August 11th, 2010 at 6:11 pm by David Farrar

My spies report that the front runner for ’s nomination is . Josie was No 3 on the Progressives’ list in 2008 and stood for Otaki for them in 2008. It was well understood that she was likely to get a high lost place or a winnable seat, with the effective merger of the Progressives into .

I hold Josie in high regard. She will be a strong candidate, and a good MP for Labour if they select her.

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40 Responses to “Pagani for Mana?”

  1. Nicholas O'Kane (168 comments) says:

    Other candidate possibilities are Ander Little (who in the Dom Post makes statements against the idea), Darren Hughes (?) and Charles Chauvel (who seems focused on Ohariu).

    I don’t know who National will stand. They could put Hekia Parata up again (the Dom Post quotes Parata as interested), there is also Stephen Franks, and perhaps a few others.

    What will be interesting if the Greens field a candidate, which will take votes of Labour. Also the turnout will be interesting. A lot of Labour votes come from low income Maori/Pacific people who might not be bothered to vote.

    There are very few swing voters from the middle class in the seat (apart from Raumati). Most of the seat is either solid Labour and very poor (Cannons Creek) or solid National and rich (Whitby). National could win the seat but again the chance is small and Labour has to make mistakes.

    If National looses by a smaller majority than they did in 08 (likely due to lower turnout and better in party vote) they can claim a moral victory.

    Also regarding ex alliance/progressive types Grant Gillons daughter won Labours selection in Northcote. Theres also Megan Woods as a possibility in Wigram.

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  2. Michael (899 comments) says:

    National have no chance in Mana. It’s Porirua East and Titahi Bay rump will ensure that it will always be Labour.

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  3. Jack McDonald (199 comments) says:

    Josie would be an excellent MP.

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  4. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    So says the latest brainwashed teen greentard:

    Josie would be an excellent MP.

    *citation needed*

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  5. dave (986 comments) says:

    I can see the slogan now ” Palagi Pagani”

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  6. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    @nickb – here’s your citation, from the Progressive Party List

    [..]
    Before that Josie worked as a press secretary in ministers’ offices, including the office of Jim Anderton, Matt Robson and the Prime Minister Helen Clark.

    So, the perfect candidate for Labour… a communications consultant who is probably well experienced in spinning lies originating from the former masters.

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  7. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    Nick, read the last paragraph of DPF’s post.

    Krazy, do you know a lot about Pagani? I’m sure you wouldn’t just jump to conclusions.

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  8. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    @pete – any press secretary working for Helen would be an expert as spinning lies. No question in my mind of that. Call it jumping to conclusions if it make you feel better.

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  9. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    That’s a major problem with democracy, many people don’t care about what candidates are like, they judge on minimal information, or not on the person at all – on NatRad this morning they interviewed Porirua voters who said they would vote Labour no matter who the candidate was.

    Until today I knew nothing about Pagani. If anyone’s interested in actually finding out a bit about her:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/josie_pagani

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  10. Andrew (60 comments) says:

    This is great news!

    Pagani would be a great MP for Labour – she would deliver the sensible sort of politics that has been missing from Labour for sometime. She has run community campaigns in favour of several roading projects in the northern parts of Mana such as the Western Link and Transmission Gully so she is exactly what Labour needs.

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  11. Clint Heine (1,568 comments) says:

    Thanks Pete, I took your advice and read more about Jose… and it confirmed everything I thought before. We don’t need people like her in parliament. She, along with Clare Curran and Charles Chauvel are excellent case studies to why we must have less MPs. Do we need more hard left MPs in our Parliament?

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  12. Inventory2 (10,166 comments) says:

    So Josie Pagani was #3 on Jim Anderton’s Progressive Party list, but is now seeking the nomination for a Labour seat. The Progressives are advising their members to party vote Labour in 2011. If ever evidence was needed that Jim “Ol’ Man River” Anderton is once again defrauding the New Zealand taxpayer by pretending to be the leader of a political party, Josie Pagani provides it. As the song says:

    Ol’ man river,
    Dat ol’ man river
    He mus’know sumpin’
    But don’t say nuthin’,
    He jes’keeps rollin’
    He keeps on rollin’ along.

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  13. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    She admits she deliberately leaves dishes in motel sinks for the staff to wash. Just the kind of ill mannered ignorance and arrogance you would expect from a life long socialist/ communist.

    I’m with Clint. We do not need any more of these would be elitists from the left making decisions for us and helping themselves to our earnings. Josie Pagini comes from a political faction that is long past its use by date.

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  14. Roflcopter (446 comments) says:

    Put her up for Mana, by all means. She is a reasonable MP, but she’ll totally fail in Porirua East… and that’s what is going to make the difference.

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  15. Andrew (60 comments) says:

    @Roflcopter – why would she fail in the East? If it’s because she is white, Graham Kelly and Gerard Wall didnt struggle in the East and they were white. Actually, despite the myth only around 12% of the voting population is Pacific Island so the idea that you have to stand a PI candidate in Mana just isn’t true. There is more to Porirua than the East – More people live in Whitby, Raumati, Plimmerton, Aotea and Pukerua Bay than Cannons Creek.

    Pagani is actually representative of the modern face of the city – a young working mother. She is exactly the sort of MP we need.

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  16. Clint Heine (1,568 comments) says:

    Andrew… you’re not Andrew Little are you? You are being a tad mischievious in regards to Pagani. She isn’t an ordinary working Mum… she was a press secretary for Jim Anderton, Matt Robson and Helen Clark.

    That immediately puts her credentials under scrutiny. Not to mention, is she Labour or Progressive? She is also yet another student union flunkie who won on the campaign pledge “Vote for me, I am more left wing than him”…

    Inspiring….

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  17. Andrew (60 comments) says:

    Haha far from it- you will note I said she was sensible… ie worlds away from Little!

    I just think she would add a whole lot that is currently missing from Labour.

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  18. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    All I see is a lifetime of sucking off the public tit in a variety of completely fucking useless public sector jobs.

    Essential for becoming a left wing politician.

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  19. Clint Heine (1,568 comments) says:

    I suspect Little would be on his knees in high praise for yet another of his comrades on the cusp of being neck deep in the trough with him. Working with Helen is not anything I’d want to put on my CV :)

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  20. Shazzadude (521 comments) says:

    Only 12% of the voting population in Mana are Pacific Islanders? The last census of Porirua city in 2006 had Pacific Islanders at 26% (also Pakeha at 56%, Maori at 20% and Asians at 4.5%, some identifying as both clearly). The proportion of under 18s might be higher amongst Pacific Islanders and the electorate does include Paekakariki to Raumati Beach as well, but I doubt that skews the stats that much, if anything you would think many of the Maori residents in the area being in the Te Tai Hauauru electorate would actually further boost the proportion of the Pacific Island vote in the Mana electorate.

    I think that if Labour don’t choose a Pasifika candidate they run the risk of a very low Pacific Island vote turnout (especially in a by-election) and it could see the backdoor open for National, who will have the affluent areas of Whitby, Papakowhai etc. ready to turn out a tick for blue.

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  21. SJR (5 comments) says:

    @Nicholas O’Kane I highly doubt Labour would let sitting MP run for one of their safest seats; to do so would be to guarantee Judith Tizard’s return to their caucus.

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  22. Inventory2 (10,166 comments) says:

    Looks as though Labour is already courting another trough-supping spin-doctor …

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/neutral-media.html

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  23. RRM (9,630 comments) says:

    Do we need more hard left MPs in our Parliament?

    ROFL. It’s not really for you to say, is it Clint? You get two votes, just the same as me.

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  24. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    Funny thing, no one gets all MPs that fit into their wee political spectrum. The idea is for a cross section. Isn’t it?

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  25. Clint Heine (1,568 comments) says:

    Depends on what you think Pagani would do for Parliament Pete. She seems to be in the same mould as Clare Carran, another hard left “communications” type person – and close to Clark. To be honest, there are excellent examples where we could shed MPs from every party and be better off.

    RRM – going by your usual comments, I was pretty sure there were laws on allowing votes to go to people in psychiatric hospitals. Now you can do all the “ROFL” as you like :) I guess it’s good my votes cancel out yours… as do most Kiwis!

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  26. RRM (9,630 comments) says:

    Good on you, bitch. Yours are not so different are they?

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  27. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    Clint, I have no idea what Pagani would do for Parliament, I know far too little about her. I’m sure not all communications people are the same. Re Curran – depends on how she grows into her job, she has positive attributes, I hope they are the ones being developed as she has had a bit to learn.

    What I do presume is that Labour will select a candidate somewhere between centrist and far left, my hope is that they choose someone who will be positive and capable.

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  28. david (2,551 comments) says:

    Pete, we a little less “growing into the job” and a little more installation of the proven competents. The country is too important for it to be a training ground and sandpit for baby MPs to play in while they grow up. A few more Steven Joyces would really shake the place up and would show all the non-performing hangers-on for what they really are – oxygen thieves.

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  29. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    How many Stephen Joyces are available, and willing tom take the time and cost risk of standing? And – people like Joyce still have to learn the ropes and realities, and we still need a representative sample of the population to an extent at least. More Joyces would be good, all Joyces may not.

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  30. david (2,551 comments) says:

    Point taken but I would still maintain that yu need more evidence of competence than “she was a policy adviser in Helen Clark’s office” and some work history as a spin doctor to take a punt on and “see how she develops”

    That may have been OK 50 years ago, even then candidates generally were proven politicians in a hard arena such as the trade unions or federated farmers, but today everything is moving so much faster and there is little room and not enough time to train them up on the job.

    I believe that it really increases the risk of ideology driving change rather than reality and that is the quickest way to bankrupting the country.

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  31. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    One significant problem is a major disconnect between what attributes are best suited to running a country, and what attributes the media (and many voters) thinks are important for it’s lowest common denominator coverage.

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  32. Tinakori (67 comments) says:

    I support the candidacy of the Italian handbag designer Pagani the Mana electorate. The prospect of developing industry in the Porirua basin set around leather and fancy cloth with export incentives to mop up the umemployed will reduce the crime rate and assist in both health and education settings. Nothing wrong with an Italian candidate. Apparently Pagani also has other skills in yacht design. An ideal candidate.

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  33. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I would still maintain that yu need more evidence of competence”

    Not the left. “I’m a leftist and she’s a leftist” is all they need.

    Read Andrew above for a good example.

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  34. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “A few more Steven Joyces would really shake the place up ”

    Jezuzz, how could anyone post something so contrary to the reality? Joyce has done nothing but pander to the bureaucrats who are feathering their own nests at the same time as they destroy this country.

    Joyce is in my humble opinion just another gutless useless left wing toady. Cell phone use while driving was his highest priority. Just a fool rushing for all his puny worth to be used by the left.

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  35. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    “I’m a leftist and she’s a leftist”

    That’s just as bad as “I’m a rightist, they’re a leftist so they must be no good”.

    Joyce is in my humble opinion just another gutless useless left wing toady.

    In your humble opinion, what is the best example politician in NZ right now?

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  36. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “In your humble opinion, what is the best example politician in NZ right now?”

    Mr. George, when are you going to wake up to the fact that I regard you as an intellectual bludger with nothing to add to any discussion, and just a weak left wing propagandist whose endless idiotic questions are beyond contempt?

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  37. Pete George (23,259 comments) says:

    Ok, so all you want to do is criticise and abuse with no practical alternative to offer. If there was anyone in the country who fitted your required criteria you would promote them.

    Or you can’t think for yourself. Maybe you want FoxNZ so you have someone to tell you who would be suitable.

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  38. Tinakori (67 comments) says:

    I understand Labour are thinking of running Winston in Mana under the NZ First banner. Should Winston run Labour would not put up a candidate against him. Clears the way for a NZ First comeback on the back of a safe seat and a Labour/ NZ First /Green /Maori party coalition victory next year.

    Winston is apparently taking some convincing, he is of the view that the Auckland Super City Mayor’s position is more powerful. So …..watch this space

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  39. ben (2,414 comments) says:

    This is a National blog isn’t it? Getting more Left friendly by the day methinks. They are evil, remember, them socialists.

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  40. Clint Heine (1,568 comments) says:

    Diddums RRM

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