Praise from Labour for Boscawen
August 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David FarrarThe Herald reports:
Labour MP David Shearer, who ran against Boscawen in Mt Albert, said he had a reputation for “relentless, single-minded determination”.
“He’s a genuinely straight up guy, a hard worker, and he’s bloody relentless and stays on message.
“He has a slight eccentric side to him, not in a bad way.”
Labour’s Lianne Dalziel, who sits with him on the commerce select committee, said he was a good fit for his new roles as Consumer Affairs Minister and Associate Commerce Minister.
“He will put his heart and soul into it, and doesn’t kowtow to the party line on a lot of issues. He knows we need regulation in financial circles to protect people, so he is not [an Act] purist.
“He’s been a tireless advocate for consumers who has really championed causes around victims of finance company failures.”
Good on David and Lianne for being willing to praise an opponent.
August 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
And John Boscawen would probably return the compliments too. It is a pity that NZ Parliamentary debates aren’t conducted with this level of courtesy.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
“He’s a genuinely straight up guy, a hard worker, and he’s bloody relentless and stays on message.”
Quite true, he stays on message alright, even when he has a lamington sitting atop his head.
I’d have been far more impressed if Mr. Boscowen had socked the ignorant coward who put it there in the jaw actually, but anyway…
ACT needs unity of purpose more that it needs anything. Lets hope Mr. Boscowen can help Rodney Hide achieve this objective.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Sorry, “Boscawen.”
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
So Lianne Dalziel says “He knows we need regulation in financial circles to protect people”. I am assuming from this quote that she believes this as well. So what was her government doing for 9 years in power, especially towards the end when finance companies were failing left, right, and centre around her.
From memory ACT stands for Association of Consumers and taxpayers. So it is quite likely that an ACT MP would try and put in place protection for consumers, who are also probably tax payers.
Of course there is a totally seperate argument is to whether regulation will protect anyone, as it generally seems to be an abysmal failure in most circumstances.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
From memory ACT stands for Association of Consumers and taxpayers. So it is quite likely that an ACT MP would try and put in place protection for consumers, who are also probably tax payers.
The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea agrees with your logic
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
People crying for the gummint to help all the time make me sick.
If you’ve got a brain, use it.
Investments (or purchases) are never going to be devoid of risk. The only protection investors/ purchasers/consumers need is to remember “caveat emptor”.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Boscawen obviously has more common sense than that – and he wouldn’t be deputy leader now if he’d done something stupid like that.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Thanks for the usual lame subjective opinion expressed as fact Pete. As worthless as always.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:50 pm Vote:
August 18th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RB, Boscawen shows he has self control and common sense, and he’s prepared to work hard to make a difference in NZ politics. He has earned respect and influence, as this topic shows. He’s getting somewhere. Unlike you.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Well said RB, although in these non-violent times in which we live, there would have been much angst. But who will ever forget the sight of Sir Robert Muldoon wading in to the protesters in Queen Street all those years ago? It certainly did his image no harm!
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
“Unlike you.”
John Boscawen is doing well. I hope he continues to do well. For myself, I’m content merely to continue to expose all the crawling little guttersnipe commies like you for what you are. There’s actually quite a good return on that if you do it long enough and widely enough.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
But who will ever forget the sight of Sir Robert Muldoon wading in to the protesters in Queen Street all those years ago? It certainly did his image no harm!
He what. Probably made the people who hated hate him even more, mind.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
“It certainly did his image no harm!”
Neither did Bob Jone’s decking that reporter. PG is just one of those sad and pitiful emasculated SNAGs that are a product of Progressivism and the feminazis.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
^^^ A good return indeed. Senator McCarthy started doing that way back in the 1950s, and look where he is now.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I2, the last time a knucklehead MP tried that sort of thing it didn’t do his image any good. And Old Muldy didn’t end up being a raging success either.
RB, this topic is supposedly about praising Boscawen, could you show him a bit of respect and not hijack it for your usual political thuggery? Probably not, you know how there’s no respect any more, not like in the old days.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Pete George don’t try your sanctimonious hypocrisy on me. You take more threads off course on Kiwiblog than a force five hurricane does to sailing boats.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
“He has a slight eccentric side to him, not in a bad way.”
Just enough to make him the media’s clown.. mind you David Garrett is a train wreck waiting to happen… what’s the bet the media will chip away at these ACT MPs untill they implode.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
What’s that PG? You can’t see how we got to “SNAGs, Progressivism and the feminazis” from talking about ACT?
Typical half-educated knuckle-dragging socialist commie.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
“You can’t see how we got to “SNAGs, Progressivism and the feminazis” from talking about ACT?”
If you had a brain that did as much work as your mouth RRM, you’d realise its quite relevant.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
It’s not relevant at all to political opponents praising Boscawen. It might not fit your agenda to see that MPs from different parties, even parties slightly left of centre, can be reasonable and supportive – and it might not fit your agenda to see blog posts nodding approval at members of an opposition party – so I guess you would try and undermine the message.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Would have never happened under Clark.
Anything right wing was evil regardless of how good it was.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
PG as usual doing his best to bring every issue to a grinding boring halt. “The most boring poster on Kiwiblog, and the only person who is less boring when he stops posting”.
Dalziel’s comment is not really praise, its an attempt to coerce Mr. Boscawen’s thinking.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Labour can identify with the ACT MPs …and have something in common … they have their own Pete Hodgson.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Havin had a number of meeting with John on matters financial IMHO he will act ( pun intended) in the best interests of consumers and taxpayers.
To Redbaiter and others Its not about risk Its about disclosure and transperancey.
If I invest in a financial product or service I expect to have full disclosure and transpernacey.
I dont expect the promoter to tell me my funds will invested in a product or service that carries X amount of risk as per the promoters “independent” evaluation only to find out when its too late they the promoter lent my money to his second cousin to build a dodgy leaky apartment building on land thaty he didnt have title to.
That Redabiter and others is the essence of what the finance companies did.
So dont bleat to me that i want the Gumint to protect me.
What i want is the bastard I might lend money to to have to tell me the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth or allow me rto hang him uo by his balls.
Thats fair.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
By the way. Having dealt with Lianne from 2002 onwards when she was Min of Commerce lovely lady though she was she and her officials had no understanding of the train wreck they about to see as regards the finance companies.
Any suggestion of requring said companies to have to adopt Aussie APRA regs was met with
But it will cost the companies and they will pass this on to the customers;
Yep thats right we told Lianne. And the result will be the customers will know exactly where there moneys going to and how much interest and risk the finance companies are taking on.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“That Redabiter and others is the essence of what the finance companies did.”
Jezuzz effing christ on a bike. Its hardly something new. Been going on for centuries. And if you’re so damn dumb as to invest your money without disclosure that meets your personal requirements then you deserve to lose it, and you have no damn right to ask me to contribute to a pissant government authority that only exists to compensate such as you for your own damn stupidity.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
“He (Boscawen) knows we need regulation in financial circles to protect people”.
“He’s been a tireless advocate for consumers who has really championed causes around victims of finance company failures.”
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
RKBee…mind you David Garrett is a train wreck waiting to happen…
I assume that is in your own mind. I can’t recall anything that he has done to warrant your remark.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Here’s a clue. Shonkey loser gets law degree. Opens shonkey law office. Starts shonkey investment fund. Induces dumbarses to invest in shonkey fund. Shonkey lawyer sets up under the table partnership with shonkey developer (brother, brother in law, or maybe just someone he met at the pub). Shonkey lawyer uses funds from dumbarse investors to finance shonkey builder by means of under the table partnership. Shonkey builder goes broke. Dumbarse investor loses money. Shonkey lawyer shoots throught to Australia on same plane as shonkey builder. Dumbarse starts looking for another investment opportunity. Rings up another shonkey lawyer.
You expect me to pay for a government bureaucracy to deal with this fucking infantile run around?
Fuck that.
Caveat emptor.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
“I assume that is in your own mind.”
Its in the minds of the liberal left wing journolisters who hate Garret, therefore its in the easily influenced mind of RKbee, who one day might get a mind of his own.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Redmasterbaiter @1.59 pm: “Shonkey loser gets law degree. Opens shonkey law office. Starts shonkey investment fund. Induces dumbarses to invest in shonkey fund….”
Shonkey John Key has done all this?? Well, I’ll be damned. And here I thought he just smiled and waved.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Here’s a clue from Boscawen, he’s prepared to provide cross party support if he thinks it’s justified.
He does what he can to help many voters, with a common sense approach. We need more MPs like him – I couldn’t give a toss if the media don’t think he is “celebrity” enough.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Well I disagree with Mr. Boscawen on this issue. Anything dreamed up by Dalzeil would be bound to be a ballsup. She couldn’t even manage being honest as an MP, how the hell can she draft legislation regulating fraudsters??
Lawyers making work for themselves because they’re mostly unemployable in the real world.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Fuck, ACT wanting to protect taxpayers money, oh wait on I get it, Hide spends taxpayers money taking a woman young enough to be his daughter to London, and then comes back and suggests unless we hand over control of the purse strings that will happen often ?
Fuck no wonder ACT voters sing I’m a believer so often when they hear Hide is an expert on perks.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
mawm @ 1:51 pm
RKBee…mind you David Garrett is a train wreck waiting to happen…
I assume that is in your own mind. I can’t recall anything that he has done to warrant your remark.
Redbaiter @ 1:59 pm
Its in the minds of the liberal left wing journolisters who hate Garret, therefore its in the easily influenced mind of RKbee, who one day might get a mind of his own.
And my mind say’s because of the liberal left media .. Garrett is a train wreck waiting to happen.
In the same vain as Clarkson and National… Garrett reacts poorly to the political and media mantra of politics.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Poor redbaiter
He doesnt read what you write and then goes off on a tangent. The law RB was on the side of the crooks because they could lie and get away with it. Thats what I and others told Dalziel.
It aint rocket science. If you want to borrow money off me then I want to know if what you are telling me is the truth.
Now for me and you that would mean me waterboarding you before I lend you a dime but alas Im not able to do that in NZ so I need another way of making sure you tell me the truth.
And if you lie to me I want retribution and a crack at the offshore accounts like the you know who have set up.
At the moment I cant get that. Now if Boscowen can get his head around this well and good. I and other have told him what he has to do to stop the crooks.
They can be stopped or at least slowed down. Mind you I still want Sharia law but alas Im a minority.
Wait a minute Doesnt that mean I should get my way.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Lastman if you think John Boscawen or Lianne Dalzeil or any politician can save you from your own foolishness then you’re not getting it. Look at the moron’s sucked in by Nigerian scammers. People are dumb, but they have to learn from their own dumbness and stop regulating the rest of us to death because of their incapacity to learn or reason. I need the friggin help of Dalzeil like I need a hole in my head. I just want her to get a friggin job and stop bludging off my friggin taxes. That’s the best way she can help me. (Go and milk some damn cows Lianne.)
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Boss who?
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
RB As I said above alasI have to work with the existing law and so I do what I can in various organisations that are and have had some recent success in getting the pollies and civil servants to at least think about the customer (investor)
For my sins I am now involved in the Securities Act rewrite and I am lambasting the civil servants and the industries lawyers that they have to think about the customer. Very novel idea for them.
They have to move to having a customer focus. Geeeez its hard work though. The thought of doing something that might attract and retain a customer is foreign to the financial sector even though they spend millions on marketing and advertising.
They just dont think like investors or know what it is investors want to know.
They are hide bound wrapped up in the law regulation and confusion marketing.
How can we trick con the csutomers.
When they get past this then we may get some regulation that encourages the citizens to look away from property as the only investment
Until then we will get what we have always got.
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