Smears from No Right Turn
August 17th, 2010 at 7:00 pm by David FarrarNo Right Turn decides to lie and smear:
In September 2008, John Boscawen donated $100,000 to the ACT Party. In exchange, he got a high list ranking, leading to an MP’s salary of $131,000 a year plus expenses. And now with the overthrow of Deputy Leader Heather Roy, he looks likely to turn that into a Ministerial position paying $204,300.
Looks like Boscawen made a pretty good investment.
What a disgusting post, which he won’t even allow comments on.
First of all, it is well known that John Boscawen has had a successful career in business. His dad was a school teacher and he went to Otahuhu College, so we are not talking inherited wealth. But John is now a multi-millionaire, and to suggest he entered politics to gain a salary of $131,000 or even $204,000 a year is ridicolous – I doubt that is even close to the interest he makes on his investments. Actually it is just a nasty malicious smear.
Secondly John’s donation was made on 26 September 2008. The ACT party list was announced on 20 August 2008, so Idiot/Savant is just telling lies to support his smear when he claims he got his high list ranking in exchange for his donation.
The reality is that Idiot/Savant reveals more about himself, than John Boscawen, with his blog post.He can’t imagine someone not motivated by money – which reflects on him more than he realises. In his world, you can’t donate a large amount of money to something just because you believe in a cause.
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August 17th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
That’s just vintage No Right Turn. After all these years, he still does it. Can’t help himself, I think.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I do not know Boscowan, have never met him and would not have voted for him had I had the opportunity. But like many, many others I admired and, in my own small way, supported his campaign against Helengrad’s Electoral Finance Act.
That said, I applaud your description of the “No Right Turn – Idiot/Savant” smear of John Boscowan.
Earlier this evening I posted the following comment on the Governor General debate. On reflection, however, I think it sits better right (pun intended) here:
“There is always a problem with “left wing” bloggers, is there not?
“It is its invariable association with a pernicious corollary, namely the self-preening and delusional conceit that adherents are the inheritors of a uniquely sensitive ethical, written and spoken sensibility, which confers upon them the right, nay the duty, to dictate to their fellows. That manifestation of narcissism is one which I and many others reject. For such contributors of this stamp, Queen Street or Manners Mall are more suitable locations than DPF’s Kiwiblog.”
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
There’s also absolutely no proof that Boscawan has never eaten a cooked baby.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Idiot Savant: our own Johann Hari?
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Never been to his bog but, does he take money from Google ads?
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Wikipedia tells me he only returned to investing, after insolvency, with the help of his parents?
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I thought it was absurd, given the large donations made by Green party MPs.
Does that mean they purchased their seats? Of course not.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
NRT demonstrates why he won’t allow comments. What a coward – this is my truth and no correspondence shall be entered into for fear that none of my positions would stand the scrutiny of public debate.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Idiot/Savant is very aptly named; especially the first five letters
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
scrubone
It’s different when left leaning politicians do it….
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
I2
I think his use of the ‘Idiot/Savant’ handle is an insult to all genuine Savant’s. These are people who have enormous trouble being understood and making sense of the real world yet this monkey just just squirts his bile and won’t participate in debate. What a drop kick.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
I don’t believe for a minute that John Boscawen – both because he is a man of integrity who clearly isn’t driven by money because he was willing to spend it against the EFA and because, as DPF points out, he happens to be a person for whom $131,000 isn’t a lot – “bought” his list place.
However list places are up for bidding. Robyn McDonald was completely unknown and unheard of by anyone at any level of NZ First – even amongst the committee in the electorate in which she stood – before her name appeared on the Peters / Laws doctored 1996 party list.
She was duly elected, went straight into Cabinet as Minister of Consumer Affairs and Minister for Senior Citizens and promptly went to Paris to do some shopping while we paid for her travel.
I know precisely what happened and why she appeared out of nowhere, but I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
This is yet another inherent weakness of MMP and the party list system, and yet another reason why it should be scrapped.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Sounds like un-adulterated envy to me…..
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
edit: I mean on the Idiots part, not Rex
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
It’d seem that every time a disciple of the left opens his/her mouth, all that becomes evident is the vicious depth of envy exuded. They’re a sad lot – their lifestyle, their objectives, their ambitions are all so dreary, they can only equate by peddling nastiness about their political opponents for gratification, mental masturbation being the only high to which they can realistically transpire.
Watch them in parliament; force yourself to read the rubbish they articulate in every one of their blogs; listen to their whines and the misery they preach and assess their abysmal shortfall of practical intellect. Then, ask yourself, are these low-life, low expectation of any sort of personal success in their private lives, really the sort of people, the sort of inspirational examples that one would ever seek to entrust with anything as important as government?
Labour, unable to cast itself above its roots in now non-existent “class” attitudes, means failure, stands for failure, and has registered failure in every term it has ever been entrusted with office. Nothing will change because the only candidates they’ll ever attract will be there for all the wrong reasons. Real competents would never allow themselves to have a bar of such a party.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Yes that’s an unusually prominent factual error that’s rather difficult to deny let alone completely miss altogether when you’re writing the story, isn’t it.
I’m expecting Red Alert to run with it verbatim, any minute now. Isn’t this fun, these desperation tactics as the lefties thrash around helplessly like fish just landed on the bottom of the boat. Cut off from the oxygen of govt funding and the unlimited media access that being in govt gives you, lefties resort to the basics: lies, bullshit, more lies.
Even when they’re as simplistic and blatant as this or the GST pamphlet, they don’t apologise, they don’t even act the least bit ashamed. Not an ounce of chagrin.
It’s for the cause, isn’t it lads; so anything goes, right? That and the fact your basic message smells so very bad, you have to lie using lots of fear and smear to get anyone at all to ever vote for you, let alone enough people to let you build yourself even a very small fort consisting of one plank, in the backyard.
I know it must be horrible to be a lefty, but you know what, I just can’t bring myself to feel sorry for you, when you do things like this.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Come on DPF
You are being as disingenuous as you accuse IS of being.
He has never had comments turned on. He prefers blogging to processing comments.
Boscawen did come out of nowhere and at about the same time that he made a large donation he became a highly ranked list candidate. The two events may or may not have been related but speculation on the subject is appropriate.
And maybe he is not interested in the money, probably he is more interested in power. One could think that an investment of $100,000 has been richly rewarded.
[DPF: You are such a fact free zone. NRT did previously have comments on - and he was a much better blogger when he did. Commenters can hold you to account, when you do bullshit smears like this, so you tend to blog more responsibly.
But you are also wrong that Boscawen came out of nowhere. He has been a senior activist in ACT since they were formed, including campaign chair, treasurer and candidate]
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
I’m pretty certain that he used to have them on.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
mickysavage
Here is a post titled No Credibility with 19 comments. Fail micky, just when we wear talking about lefties making shit up as well.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Spam
You are right. He turned them off in 2007 or at least 4799 comments ago.
I was wrong. I should have said he has not had comments turned on for a long, long time …
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
He’s had them turned off for years – it’s much easier to talk trash about other bloggers if they don’t get to turn up and make you look stupid in the comments threads. Crusader Rabbit does the same thing.
Positan, Reid: ” Don’t like lefties.” “Who does?”
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Says Milt, who has of course never deleted a comment that made him look stupid. Yeah right.
Nothing worse than these hypocritical posturing arseholes who profess to be for open discussion but start deleting comments as soon as they feel a bit of heat.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Well we know that the “Sensible” Sentancing Trust bought a high place on the ACT list for David Garret so its a pretty reasonable assumption I would have thought.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Look personally I think it was a dumb move to roll Roy but since you take every single opportunity YOU can to take cheap shots at the heroic, mighty, wise and powerful 5th National govt, I thought I’d do the same.
Except I told the truth and you didn’t.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
P.S. I forgot popular.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
John Boscawen has been heavily involved in ACT for years. He has put a huge effort in, both behind the scenes and as a candidate. In the 1996 election he stood for ACT in Epsom and gained a party vote for ACT of, I think, 18%, which is the highest list vote ever achieved by an ACT candidate in any electorate. So the person who says that John Boscawen has come out of nowhere is talking complete rubbish.
John is also a person of high IQ – Integrity Quotient – which is rare in politics. Parliament, and New Zealand, are lucky to have him.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
The only thing funnier than the idea old lamington should be in parliament is that David Farrar should be shrieking about smear campaigns when he’s been involved in every National smear campaign since McCully used him to out Mark Thomas in Wellington Central Lolz.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
People should stop calling him Idiot/Savant. He is Malcolm Harbrow and it is time he started owning his own shit.
Should anyone complain that I outed him, he outed himself by posting word for word his Electoral Finance Bill submission on his travesty of a blog.
If you want to slander and defame people then do it so people can know who you are. To try to keep hiding is cowardice.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Whale: I strongly suspect he’s done the same thing for several bills.
I would point out that you can see the names linked if you google them both – so he’s actually been “out” for years and years if you knew where to look.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
So Labour stealing $800k is OK, a bloke donates his own money to something he believes in, and that is bad? This is why I hate socialists with a passion. I suspect that its more about personal wealth jealousies (and an ability to give it away) than anything else, does Idiot have two loosing Lotto tickets to rub together? I doubt it.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
And then we wonder why people of talent, ability and business acumen don’t bother standing for Public Office!
Honest to God can’t we accept that a few people on either side of the debate might just have another motive for entering politics other than sheer venality.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Ironically the campaign against the EFB, that Boscowan is most associated with, was itself little more than a dishonest smear.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
To be (sort of) fair to NRT, he was pretty scathing about Winston at the time the corruption thing was going on. He’s reasonably consistently been against any suggestion of impropriety. Although I can’t remember him complaining about the Green’s super scheme, that’d be the only big one I could say he’s missed.
As to whether this particular one stacks up – well, I don’t think so. Boscawen’s elevation to some extent shows the shallowness of talent remaining in ACT. I suppose he’s probably as good as National’s weakest minister, or strongest non-minister though. So maybe that’s reasonable. He’s certainly stronger than some of the ministers in the last govt.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Rich Prick
Yes, it was the same with the EB. They did nothing illegal so the law was changed to limit that sort of behaviour (unions excepted of course), Labour allegedly did act illegally and hey that limitation was removed. Wow, what a fun play thing Parliament is. Fastest law makers in the west.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
@PaulL: Heather Roy’s judgement in attempting the coup in the first place was pretty questionable and there was no way she could stay as deputy in the long term. The only other options were Douglas (ruled out by Key and he supported the coup attempt) and Garrett (somewhat inclined to say what he actually thinks so best kept safely out of the media spotlight). Boscowan was really the only option.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
“Ironically the campaign against the EFB …. was itself little more than a dishonest smear.”
Nice one to throw out there, Innocent bystander. Even Helen’s former colleagues have repented for that scurrilous piece of legislation. Hone Harawira too, much maligned in many quarters (often justifiably), was inspired by the repugnance of the EFB to deliver what was arguably the NZ Parliament’s finest speech of passion in the last decade.
So don’t argue your case, IB. Just smear Boscowan any way that comes to mind.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
“Boscawen’s elevation to some extent shows the shallowness of talent remaining in ACT”
Let’s wait and see, shall we?
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
“Douglas (ruled out by Key and he supported the coup attempt)”
Well he voted for Roy today.
Got a lot of time for Sir Roger, and not as much for Rodney. I hope the latter knows what he’s doing because whatever it is, it’s rarely a good idea to stop listening to whatever it is Roger has to say.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
I’m with reid on this one. I also think we should have a snap election to put this shabby business of expenses etc behind us and see who’s standing ready to face the biggest social challenge NZ has ever had in 2012.
Disclaimer: I have snap election shares on iPredict.
Vote:August 17th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Am with you Burt, I am so annoyed with shabby politics.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:10 am
If it’s true that Roger didn’t vote for John, I’m disappointed. John would be hurt by that too, as he’s been a huge supporter of Roger’s ideas.
My experience of working for John Boscawen on his EFA campaign: http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/john-boscawen-a-credit-to-democracy/
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 12:54 am
Boscowan will be leader of Act one day. But in the meantime their parliamentary survival depends on Rodney Hide.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 5:35 am
This can’t be right. I thought it cost a $100,000 for the Monaco Consulate.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 5:51 am
David, David, David, baby . . .never a week goes by when I don’t make some factually inaccurate statement, typo or plain mistake in my posts on ‘Monkey with Typewriter’. (but I don;t have a team of minions to do my bidding either) I adopt my ‘cyber-personality’ which is at stark odds with teh sweet, unassuming ‘real life’ persona I actulaly have. We all do it, even that citadel of grammatical accuracy and mine of political anecdote Rex – (even you David, in your lofty outrage failed to spell ‘ridiculous’ correctly), but this is the blogosphere, guys. We are the only ones who take ourselves seriously or think our futile posturings have any import. If you don’t believe me, ask my wife.
Vote:‘Idiot’ (if that’s his real name) proabably had a little too much to drink, opened a bank-statement, and threw up on his keyboard. Come on people, let it go, I’m sure John Boscawen has much to celebrate, and would laugh it off.
August 18th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Another smear for you since cannot find ????
Vote:Golf course Vineyard changed over to organic control of weeds … but the weeds are getting back in ….Perhaps that is why Obama is scheduled to play there shortly
Hope you RWNuts like it
August 18th, 2010 at 8:23 am
I would have thought that even if he had bought his slot that the left would be all for it. Clark bought her slot at the UN.
Maybe its using his own money that makes them so pissy. Should have swindled tax payers dollars like a pro.
Do love how the crapweasles defend crapweasling with more crapweasling though. Have to admire the willingness to avoid reality likes its the plague. Get used to opposition guys.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 8:31 am
@ Psycho Milt – “Positan, Reid: ” Don’t like lefties.” “Who does?””
Speaking for myself, it’s not whether or not I like them – it’s can they possibly do anything that would occasion my respect? Our democracy is as dependent on a competent Opposition as it is on competent government, and we need to have respect for the views and ideas of those who hold the office – irrespective of their politics.
To have as Opposition, a rag-tag bunch of misfits possessed of the transparent belief that they only have to be there in order to have an occasional term in government – ie. opportunity by entitlement rather than by demonstrated capabilities – renders absolutely nothing to our country’s progress and development. Added to that, every single one of that rag-tag bunch of misfits is first and foremost, totally self-serving in both attitude and ambition, and having soared way beyond the realms of their ordinary paths and tasting the fruits of office, they become soul-sellingly possessive of their lot. Lastly, the combined talents of that rag-tag bunch are always completely inadequate for the job they crave so much to take on. Trade union backgrounds, a few unsuccessful lawyers and school-teaching experiences are insufficient to understand the complexities of business and finance, let alone legislate with provision for such complexities in mind. That’s why Labour governments always have to buy their way into office – only when it’s personally beneficial can most voters can see reason for supporting them. Of course then, the whole country pays … and pays … and pays … which is why we are where we are.
I yearn for the good old days when politicians were held accountable. A gallows on parliament’s lawn would be a severe and constant reminder, and dampen a lot of Labour’s play-acting.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 8:38 am
“To have as Opposition, a rag-tag bunch of misfits …” Jesus dude they’re not the freaken A Team.
More like the Eh? Team.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 9:12 am
So this is the DPF response to ACT dumping it’s deputy leader and the government replacing a minister, a smoke screen about when Boscawen donated a large amount of money to ACT and ended up an MP.
Honestly DPF are you so uncritical of ACT and the National government that you make no criticism of the fact no one from ACT has fronted the media and provided any explanation of what has happened and why, and Key has not offered any explanation of the replacing of a minister?
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 9:18 am
What a tool yes, you’re at it again. Are you just another paid one trick pony or something? DPF has never held back and unless you can proove he went a wrote a lot of bullshit on no right turn to create this story then you’re just full of shit.
DPF doesn’t write at your direction, this post is about another lying leftie, got ANYTHING to say about that?
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I haven’t been to NRT for a while now due to the amount of weird, paranoid and laughable claims. I don’t remember is being a blogspot page though?
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Idiot/Savant is merely operating a ‘broadcasting service’ by turning comments off. It seems his blog survives only because others pick up on what he says and repeats it. Ignoring his blog will starve him of his badly needed oxygen. If DPF turned off comments most of the time or heavily moderated them (as left wing blogs often do), Kiwiblog would almost be dead in the water by now.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Speaking for myself, it’s not whether or not I like them – it’s can they possibly do anything that would occasion my respect?
Followed by a big long blather that amounts to “What a bunch of wankers.” I would say no, there’s clearly nothing they could possibly do that would occasion your respect, because you’re a hard-core partisan who mistakes his opinion for analysis.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Unlike your good self Milt?
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
@Psycho Milt – “you’re a hard-core partisan who mistakes his opinion for analysis.”
I’m sorry, Milt – but as your understanding of the thrust of my comment seems so very facile and malnourished, I really can’t see any value in attempting enlightenment.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Actually NRT has a point. While his slurs are false, Boscawen has basically kept ACT financially liquid for the majority of the last decade. That might give him a leg up.
Vote:August 18th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Lee C suggests:
Yes, I’ much more likely to rant and throw things and generally do all the things that explain why I’m on blood pressure pills when I’m not publishing my words to an audience (however small). Using my real name serve as a filter which, so far, has led me to hit “erase” before my most intemperate comments make it to print.
Perhaps I’m the anti-universe Redbaiter! I picture him as a sanguine, relaxed sort, sipping a good single malt after venting his considerable spleen online. Almost the digital equivalent of a post-coital haze in fact
Yeah, but I’m sure she’s only talking about your opinions, Lee
Vote:August 19th, 2010 at 3:43 am
Malcolm Harbrow is a coward. His pissweak excuse for stopping comments allowed him to write even worse drivvle, that his “fans” seem to swallow up like gospel.
Not even sure why I even bothered replying to this.
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