Cunliffe does a Winston
September 24th, 2010 at 11:00 am by David FarrarAn extraordinary blog post by David Cunliffe on Red Alert. Let’s take it one step at a time:
When this country is in recession and Kiwi families are doing it bloody tough, I cannot bear to stand by and see rich and powerful private interests – whom I will not name at this point
A classic Winston tactic. Refer to dark vile secret forces.
and this post is not about SCF – rorting the rules and using their clubs and networks to finesse processes.
Thank God it is not about SCF. David seems to have become the spokesperson for a small Timaru cult. The latest cult newsletter proclaims:
In the end though, the only way Michelle, Keiran and I can help you is if you help yourself, and help us help you. If we stay out here alone, we are targets.
I have always felt like asking the Chinese Government how they intend to shoot a billion people. …
David Cunliffe just called me and we have a thing or two planned which will help, watch this space.
David said “tell the investors to speak with one voice, and throw everything you have at John Key and Bill English and Simon Power – full force, don’t hold back……let RIP!
Anyway back to his blog post:
It makes Godzone look like “the coldest banana republic in the world”.
I thought that was when we had a foreign minister who took out ful page ads campaigning against his own Government’s great foreign policy sucess – a FTA with China. Now that was banana republic.
For goodness sake interests associated with the Natural Dairy Crafar farms bid (potentially with Nat links) reportedly gave $200,000 to the National Party while the Natural Dairy application was still before the OIO and while National has a ministerial policy review underway.
I blogged these donations when they were disclosed. In fact I blogged them before the media reported them. The association with Natural Dairy is rather weak – the husband of the wife who made the donation is an advisor to the Chinese Business Roundtable, and the founder of that Roundtable is involved in Natural Dairy NZ.
I suspect most Chinese businesspeople in Auckland are involved in the Chinese business roundtable. It is a fairly tight community.
National should IMMEDIATELY reject that bid – otherwise what is left to separate this from complete corruption? Brown envelopes?
Here Mr Cunliffe jumps off the deep end. The public will judge any decision by the Government when it is made, and thanks to transparency with donations can judge whether or not they think that was a factor.
But it is bonkers to be screaming that the Government must interfere with the OIO process and destroy the ability of the Crafar recevers to recover maximum value from the assets, because of a donation from a Chinese businesswoman who is not involved in the bid.
I have a much better example of corruption for David Cunliffe. In fact it is made in the comments section of Red Alert:
Bill Liu gave a donation of $5,000 to the labour party. His citizenship application was supported by Dover Samuels, who was at that time a Minister. His citizenship ceremony was presided over by Labour ministers, who knew that immigration were unhappy with him being in NZ. None of this is news to you, yet you have the temerity to accuse National of awarding corrupt favours to its friends.
Yes Labour ignored the strong advice from officials not to grant Liu citizenship due to his multiple fake identities, yet they did.
You want another example of corruption – your caucus colleage Taito Field – whom you associate immigration minister did so many favours for,
Or another – how about accepting $100,000 three days before the election, and not declaring it until after the election. From the same source that donated to Winston, whom Labour voted had done nothing wrong and never knew about the Owen Glenn donation despite the telephone logs.
Was it OK for the OIO-overseeing Minister of Finance to lease his (trust’s) house to the govt for a staggering ministerial rent
No, and the money was paid back. But what has that got to do with the OIO.
or accept hours of free TV for his “Plain English” ads? Isn’t it time we Kiwis stood up and demanded that the tories do sweat the small stuff like the rest of us? Isn’t it time John key held SOMEONE to account for SOMETHING rather than smile, wave and make excuses?
Now he is in full rant mode.
Beyond political donations, look at the ability of the rich and powerful to get their way while the poor and middle struggle: $2 billion a year of tax avoidance through LAQCs and trusts that National in government has refused to touch.
So the Government is corrupt as it did not abolish LAQCs. So does this mean the last Labour Government was also corrupt. Or that Labour’s policy is now to abolish LAQC’s?
Or it is just more part of a bizarre rant?
And he also rails against trusts. Well now we get to the hypocrisy. He suggests National is corrupt for not somehow stopping the use of trusts to avoid tax. So what does the Register of MPs Pecuniary Interests say for Cunliffe:
The Bozzie Family Trust (discretionary trust)
The hypocrisy is amazing.
Half the top 100 welathiest NZers are still not on the top tax rate!
Yes – and this happened under Labour!This is what happens when teh trust and top personal tax rates are not aligned – something that National has now fixed.
Well what is the point of getting our savings rate up (and asking hard working families to go without consumtion) if the investment vehicles we need to get the money to our struggling firms are being milked and siphoned by fees and sweet deals to the cronies in the markets? Why would any sane Kiwi sweat 80 hours a week to build a real business here? Where will our kids choose to live?
So no Kiwis will work 80 hour weeks because of the cronies in the markets? I’m sorry, but even I can’t follow his chain of thought any more. It seems to be just one big primal scream
It will only get worse until we have a Govt with the guts to stand up to it. The smiling millionaire from Bankers Trust is hardly likely to do that!
Oh I see. It is all John Key’s fault.
Related posts:
- More on the Cunliffe support site
- Is Cunliffe being given a fair go?
- What will Cunliffe do?
- Cunliffe muzzled by Shearer
September 24th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Yawn at Peters. Yawn at Cunliffe. Yawn at this post. Sorry, but I really don’t care. More important things to worry about other than a completely inept opposition party.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Gosh David, you’re spinning so fast this morning, you’re likely to fly right out the window.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:15 am
So one rant gets a rant in response. Classic! Have a cup of tea and a lie down David.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:15 am
A Labour MP posted a rant on Red Altar? Meh
Vote:If I’ve noticed any trend at RA it is that even some of the most blinded pro-Labour commenters there are starting to question what they’re told. I think their blog started out as a good idea but is actually starting to work against them now.
September 24th, 2010 at 11:15 am
The Labour Party is full of these kinds of people. But the hypocracy of Cunliffe is breathtaking. What I find irritating about the Labour Party is they are always criticising the people who are laying the golden eggs and are paying all the tax. Cunliffe is the sort of person who cleans out all the complementary products from the Hotel rooms he stays in at public expence.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
The whole blame it on the previous Labour gov’t schtick is wearing mighty thin eh !!!
How’s about the current gov’t man up and fix the problems then, instead of making it a lot worse for those at the bottom end while rewarding those at the top end…ie their fatcat mates with taxcuts.
Key needs to step up or step the fuck off…i say !!!
…and take the double dipping dipton dipshit with him
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Cunliffe put that post up two days ago, David. Has it taken that long for the research unit to get some notes together?
[DPF: Yes they have been very slack lately. My service level agreement with them requires them to produce draft blog posts for me within four hours of a post on Red Alert. Their response time has been unacceptably slow of late, and I will be complaining to the Prime Minister about it at the next meeting of the High Council of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps that rant was intended as an inspirational message of leadership to the Labour party faithful. Now why would David C suddenly do that? Perhaps the challenge to Goff is coming very, very shortly. (And of course, before Little can stake his claim inside a Parliamentary caucus.)
As to the content – pure “meh”. typical Labour distortion and hypocrisy cloaked in a thin veneer of righteousness (but which, in truth, is pure patronising sanctimonious twaddle.)
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Cunliffe is a complete and utter hypocrite citing the Bill Liu case.
Immigration officials recommended to David Cunliffe that he revoke Liu’s New Zealand residence permit well before citizenship was awarded to Liu. The officials were concerned that Liu’s use of multiple identities (unexplained) was in breach of immigration policy requirements. Cunliffe being Cunliffe (remember “I’m running this show now, Mr Ryall”?) knew better, and refused to revoke the permit. Liu was subsequently given NZ citizenship, and now faces criminal proceedings for alleged passport fraud.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:24 am
So DPF can’t identify with the struggeling parents out there, but say anything critical about the poor international bankers, or the hopelessly beleaguered chain-store owners and he will couragiously leap to thier rescue. You really are one hell of a guy hey DPF?
[DPF: And you get 20 demerits for personal attack on me, rather than engaging on any actual issues]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Maybe it’s better to smile and wave than rant and rave.
It’s interesting to see how politicians present themselves beyond the carefully controlled media curtain they had become addicted to hiding behind.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:27 am
I’ve just read Cunliffe’s post and I just don’t understand what he is banging on about. Is it some sort of stream of consciousness writing exercise, informed by copious quantities of alcohol?
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am
I agree pete, Red alert’s great! The more opportunities these Labour fucktards get to speak their minds the better- it shows how deluded and disconnected they are. Like cunliffe here- he seems like a clever enough bloke usually- but this post? Seriously? You’re telling me that this guy has aspirations to run the country? He just doesn’t stand a chance against the Nats. I’m not a huge cheerleader for the nats lately but they sure outclass the mob of retards currently in opposition.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Two words: Desperate and Clutching, is Cunliffe (without the t) labours next loose cannon? the rats seem to be diving off the goff barge
LAQC’s provide vital support to Businesses, in relation to property the depreciation changes are fixing that issue anyway so typical labour overkill and overregulation.
Even more concerning were the usual half witted responses from the last 6 labour supporters who constantly post on red alert (since their probably at home on welfare) Someone made the comment why work 80 hours a week building a business when 40 is for the government, the typical response “no you work 40 for the COMMUNITY, for services for education, health etc…” What I love about it is it is the usual vital services argument vital for the community as defined by Labour and we wonder where the idiot student associations get their “vital services” bullshit from…..
Reminds me of those lines sung by the liberal professors in an American Carol
“nothing has changed we still think the same way and if you think the way we do then we’ll give you an A and you get extra credit if your poor black or gay”
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Bill Liu, yes forgot that. How many dead baby identities did he steal?
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
“The more opportunities these Labour fucktards get to speak their minds the better- it shows how deluded and disconnected they are.”
Hey cock head – reality check, you sound like a crazy person.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
There seems to be a swarm on the DPF diversionary offensive here, but what about the topic – can any of you say what you thought of the Cunliffe blog? Good comment? Worrying? Embarrassing?
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am
National is incompetent because they’ve failed to fix the mess Labour made.
How hard is that to understand?
One thing the left is better at is holding the other side’s feet to the fire having just had their own released. National sucked at this in the early 2000′s, to the point when the 2002 election was a walkover and debates were between Labour and the Green party.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:53 am
“Bill Liu, yes forgot that. How many dead baby identities did he steal?”
Apples and oranges – Bill isn’t, or hasn’t ever been a law and order spokesperson for a political party (in this country at least) – unless he really is David Garrett. Who can tell these days…
[DPF: But Garrett had had his offending dealt with by a court. Liu is a fugitive from justice, with multiple criminal allegations against him - and Labour still gave him citizenship]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Pete George>can any of you say what you thought of the Cunliffe blog? Good comment? Worrying? Embarrassing?
Incoherent.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
I’ll just go right ahead and recycle my comment from yesterday:
Bring back Kiwiblog! NationalPolitickingBlog is boring.
Why so much focus on the soft target of a lacklustre and electorally spent Labour party? The lady doth protest too much, methinks. If DPF is privy to the thinking of this government, it’s alarming that we hear so little about National’s ideas and progress on making NZ a more prosperous place.
Where are the ideas?
Where are the plans?
Where is the progress?
Where is NZ’s future?
India is rightly embarrassed to be known as the country where things are build by woman and children carrying bricks on their heads and having to shit in the corner. How long before the world notices that NZ also shits in the corner – economically at least.
Oh wait. What’s this? John Key looking to our future?
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1285236682/558/4162558.jpg
[DPF: If you want to know what National is thinking, then subscribe to teh Beehive press release service. I blog on what I find interesting. If you don't find it interesting them to be frank you can leave]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Interesting little diversionary rant, DPF. I note you conveniently leave out the fact that it will be government ministers who decide the fate of the Natural Dairy Crafar farms bid. I guess the polling must look terrible. Now that the PM has said we will not be tenants in our own country, and Williamson has said we are racists to oppose the sale, the government has their normal little ‘two bob each way’ scenario set up. And like you say, reaction to the the graft payment will swing either way. Looks to me like Cunliffe has sussed you guys.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Pete,
I can only conclude that he has been to the Clare Curran School of Language Ownership and has successfully completed the stage I paper “It doesn’t matter what you say, you only have to sound angry” which teaches that half truths and absolute crap are legitimate tools when talking to an audience that doesn’t understand what you are talking about.
The tone will get thru and paint you as a “fighter for the downtrodden” and champion of the self-described victims of whatever imaginary forces that can be used to explain their ignorance or lack of success.
Long after the lack of facts is forgotten, the smell of feigned anger will linger.
Cunliffe is not ignorant so the only explanation for his ill-informed and in some cases plain wrong rant can be that he is desperate to raise his personal profile for some sort of “great leap forward” Use your imagination as to what that might be.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I see he also craps on in the comments about LAQC’s exploding (mushrooming) over the last 2 years that National has been in power. Now i may be wrong, but excuse me! Weren’t LAQC’s partially responsible for the housing bubble over the 9 years that Labour were in in power? Now that the trust rate, company rate, and top income tax rate are being aligned, surely the use of these trusts will be shrinking not ‘mushrooming’.
anyway, i would like to see cunners actually give some evidence of this mushrooming and not just wax on about it without any evidence.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
And of course the big variable here is that a plethora of apologists for all the blatant illegalities of the Clark administration can comment here with their inane drivel but woe betide anyone who should have the temerity to take a reasoned opposing pov at Red Blert, they will be immediately cautioned and deleted while the perpetrator of the rubbish will still be a cheer leader for the deranged.
Vote:I agree the timing of the incoherent rant may well be a precursor to the long overdue challenge and has not a senior member of the Clark regime not recently returned from sickleave. Such a relief he has sufficiently recovered to resume his work for the good if somewhat deluded people of Te Atatu.
September 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Like this thread.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I reckon bhudson’s onto it. He playing to the Labour crowd to display his leadership credentials.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Labourites – the “leaders” and the followers – are the most mentally skewed creatures on this planet. The followers don’t really want facts or indeed, any sort of substance-related information – and the “leaders” are transparently unable to handle any sort of opposing truth or fact inconsistent with Labour’s distorted view. Remember, Cunliffe is considered among those who might make it as Labour’s future leader.
Labourites practice inconsistency at something akin to cult levels – it’s OK when they do it, NOT OK when anyone else does – and the ability to self-serve even when the contradictions are so grotesque is the absolute measure of the prats that they are.
Why do we bother with them? Such wankerous obduracy all but inclines me to the horror of extermination camps as the only feasible type of solution. They ain’t gonna change, their continued presence is a complete waste of time, revenue and combative energy – and they will breed and multiply.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
gravedodger – I’ve given up commenting at the Red Altar. There just didn’t seem to be any point trying to participate when all my comments sat in moderation so long that they were outdated in the conversation by the time they appeared. None of them were offensive, and on the whole they were constructive to the topic – although presenting counter arguments to the Labourites.
I get the feeling they’ve been beaten into taking a defensive position and by extending the time that non-Labour comments sit in moderation they’re able to control the flow of the thread to minimise the impact of non-friendly comments.
And that says it all about Labour really. They want to censor the information, the conversation, the truth.
“The more opportunities these Labour fucktards get to speak their minds the better- it shows how deluded and disconnected they are.” Seconded!
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Are you sure that the distracted Mallard didn’t make a log in mistake and post under Cunliffe’s name or maybe Mallarditis is catching!
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
It is all good really. The more that they believe their own rhetoric, and distance themselves from their Clients, the better.
I agree, that Goff is probably about to be rolled. It all depends on what Dear Leader wants however.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Malcolm, the great smiling leader, No Plan Key, prime minister for life, says the invisible hand will make everything good, and we must have faith to make it so.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
How is pointing out lies and hypocrisy, “spinning”???
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
DPF:
“And you get 20 demerits for personal attack on me”
You droopy lipped coward! You can hide behind your demerits, but you can’t Hide from the truth!
[DPF: And another 20 demerits]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Autistic fat Farrar dishes demerits like pancakes
business roundtable handshakes take care of corporate welfare,
while street kids takle the sharp-end of neo-liberal healthcare
with 10 killos of packed turd in bowel
he woddels, shakes his fist and scowels
“oh how i hate those solo mothers,
who bludge so much of the hard earned dollars,
from puts and options, set by old money,
educated by hard knocks like Slater
In the maxim institute dunny
[DPF: ANd goodbye for a week - 60 more demerits]
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
The title of this post is perfect.
Just plain political divide and conquer from Cunliffe. Shameful. But what else would you expect from the party that tipped the rules of democracy itself in its favour and against opponents. Disgusting, all of them.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Honest John,
To quote the song – Idiot Wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Use your own line bhdson – otherwise you’re just proving the truism that rightists have no lateral intelligence what so ever.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Well bhudson? How many kilos of compacted phaeses do you think he has in his digestive system?
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Come on David, Garrett dealt with by the courts ?
Garrett as well as stealing a child’s identity committed perjury in his statement to the court in which he suggested he had been whiter than white since his late twenties.
It will be interesting to see if they treat a so called lawyer the way a plumber would be dealt to, IE, will he be charged with perjury ?
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
@ honst john – Oxy Moron and thats insulting to all the other morons.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
dpf, I thought you bounced Honest John? His Chris Carter routine is wearing really thin.
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
@ Honest John,
The answer re: kilos is it depends on how much of your drivel he has swallowed
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
“…Honest John? His Chris Carter routine…” – busted! HJ = CC!
Vote:September 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Duly noted and it goes without saying. I also comment on what I find interesting – either in the lines or between the lines – and while you’re kind enough to let people have robust discussions, I’ll continue to do so.
cheers
Malcolm
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