Narking to employers

September 2nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Danyl blogs:

Just a warning to everyone commenting on this blog: I’ve recently been made aware that someone posting on one of the discussion threads using their real name has had a complaint made to their employer. The offending comments in question were (very mildly) critical of the Party. The substance of the complaint is that they were made during work hours.

Classy, huh? So I prefer it if people use their real names when they comment on the blog – it makes for a more civilised and polite level of discussion. But in future if you want to criticise the developed world’s most worthless opposition party you might want to use a pseudonym, lest one of its supporters or staffers (who also read and comment extensively during work hours, going by the IP addresses) take umbrage and elect to put you in your place by threatening your employment.

This is not an isolated incident. A wee while ago someone complained to the State Services Commission about a centre-right blogger who works in a Govt ministry. Their boss had okayed them blogging (which pre-dated their job) so long as they avoided issues around that ministry, but they stopped blogging because no one really wants to risk the job. I have no doubt the intent of the complaint was to shut down the blogger.

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88 Responses to “Narking to employers”

  1. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    Perhaps it would be appropriate to name and shame the tittle tattle. They behave in a childish way so lets treat them as a child.

    Only take a couple of examples and it would stop.

    Because, its an attempt at censorship via the back door. Above all we Kiwi’s need our freedom to speak, even in work time. And then it only matters if the person concerned doesn’t get their work done. Clearly though a culture like that threatens some people. Ironic when the complainer has wasted a shit load of time and money being an arsehole.

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  2. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    So then all you adjudicators of commenting protocol. What is the recommended option? Real name or nom de guerre? It is clear that there are obvious repercussions to criticising the left under your real name. And I would suggest the more severe the criticism, the more severe the repurcussions.

    But hasn’t it always been that way with the left? Throughout history, their objective has always been to stifle ideas and thoughts that extend any further than the concepts they “approve”.

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  3. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    don’t hide over here ‘baiter boy … answer the question …

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    repercussions

    (“don’t hide over here ‘baiter boy”

    This is a discussion forum and the host tries to introduce subjects for that purpose. Its not for people like you to pursue your pathetic personal vendettas. Go away.)

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  5. AlphaKiwi (684 comments) says:

    I’ll still keep using my real name ” AlphaKiwi”. Lol!

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  6. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    you mean everyone finding out who you are and embarassing your family??

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  7. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    My real name IS Greg. And I post at work, feel free to tell my employer :P

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  8. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    “pursue your pathetic personal vendettas”

    sheepbaiter keeps on giving …

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  9. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Makes you wonder why the Labour Party REALLY wanted names and addresses on bill boards critical of the government…..

    you mean everyone finding out who you are and embarassing your family??

    So whats your name then? If you want to know his name so much, why don’t you lead by example and tell everyone yours.

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  10. Inventory2 (9,788 comments) says:

    I AM the employer, so narking on me is a bit futile :-)

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  11. PaulL (5,775 comments) says:

    If someone wants to fire me for a couple of blog comments during the day, good luck to them. I’m pretty confident in the value I offer to my employer.

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  12. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Well during work hours anyone who is on the net not doing what they are paid to do is sort of similar to someone sitting at your desk reading a book or having a sleep.

    Be they left, right or any other persuation, as far as I know very few people are paid to blogg at work – or read a book or sleep.

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  13. Rob Salmond (260 comments) says:

    I agree that these kind of complaints suck. Just like empty threats of legal action designed to silence left-leaning blogs.

    Still waiting on those papers, DPF.

    [DPF: Oh dear Rob - painting himself as the victim. I never said I would serve papers. I said 08wire was probably in breach of the EFA and I would lodge at a complaint. In the end I decided not to, as transparency achieved its aim - the public realised what 08wire really was. I've never tried to silence any blog]]

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  14. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    Bevan old chap. I wasn’t asking him to out himself; I was merely providing the honest answer to the question put to him. He doesn’t provide his real name because he wants to remain anonymous; like most of the rest of us. It has nothing to do with the prospect of some lefty polgram or jihadist head chopping foray. The fact that he mentioned lefty repercussions is simply further confirmation that m’baiter is full of it. The real answer is that he just doesn’t want people to know who he is, but unlike the rest of us, and being the mega bullshit merchant that he is, he just can’t bring himself to admit it.

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  15. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Well during work hours”

    Maybe so in some instances, but I marvel at the number of commenters whose concepts regarding the earning of income extend no further than a five day a week nine to five job. Apparently there’s many out there who cannot think out side this paradigm. Quite strange really, and I would suggest due somewhat to the parochial nature of NZ society, the large number of government employees, and the quantity of retired civil servants whom I suspect proliferate here.

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  16. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Meh, I comment from work. And I fill out my timesheet accordingly. I hate to think how masturbaiter ever gets any work done.

    originally posted by masturbaiter:

    Don’t know the third speaker but he probably is [a communist] too.

    ^^^ I wish Kiwiblog allowed signatures, that would probably be mine.

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  17. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Situation normal for lefties… if you don’t like the message shoot the messenger. Socialism can’t survive without propaganda so who would expect anything else from the muppet apologists supporters.

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  18. gazzmaniac (2,269 comments) says:

    Red – lots of people are content with 9-5 jobs. Not everyone wants to go into business, or work long hours in crappy places. That’s their choice. I don’t think it’s actually got anything to do with the number of civil servants who follow this blog – for most, working for the state is just a job, the same as working for a company is.

    Burt – like Red.

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  19. kowtow (6,705 comments) says:

    Typical lefty intolerance.

    They don’t like it up ‘em,so always on the lookout for a revenge attack.

    Interesting too how these working class heroes are prepared to put someones job on the line,hypocritical bastards.

    Free speech for me but not for thee.

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  20. peterwn (2,935 comments) says:

    Employees in general have a real ‘freedom of expression’ problem. To a lesser extent the self employed have a similar difficulty. Youngsters also have a potential problem.

    Beneficiaries and the retired do not face such issues, they can say what they like within the bounds of decency and defamation law. Also many people especially in ‘non jobs’ such as unionists, political advisers, teachers, academics, reverend gentlemen, in general face no such limitations.

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  21. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    sorry
    didn’t you know that is why MOST people sign on a nom de plume.
    The left (which includes the Labour , Maori and Green parties) is never to be trusted with anything.
    Why am I not surprised with this story, because it has happened before and will happen again.

    The left considers them selves to be our superiors and in their minds anything goes as long as they win as it is for our own good.

    This is just the same as the Islamic attitude/value of Taqiyya where Muslims can act in an ummuslim way, lie or say or hold positions as long as it leads to victory against the enemy.

    The left is and always will be the enemy of democracy and until people get that society will get screwed over by them and it exp-lains why they are happy to ride alongside creeping sharia.
    in their arrogance they belive they can control Islamism

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  22. PaulL (5,775 comments) says:

    If I was paid by the hour, then yes, I shouldn’t be writing any time on blogs on my timesheet. I’m not paid by the hour, and I work a lot more than my 40 hours a week. My employer doesn’t check what I do with every minute of the day.

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  23. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Bevan old chap. I wasn’t asking him to out himself; I was merely providing the honest answer to the question put to him.

    No, you were just being a dick.

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  24. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Look who’s talking.

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  25. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    I’m genuinely sorry Bevan. I hadn’t realised you were lovers.

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  26. Viking2 (10,715 comments) says:

    Like IV2 I’m the boss so I will please myself and more importantly I hate Gestapo raised numbnuts that tittle tattle at the first oppourtunity. Wasn’t it Nicky Kaye who accused someone of brown nosing last week. Well this short of shit is worse than that It’s right up the arse stuff. But that’s really about lefties and their followers anyway.
    Name the prick that was responsible and dish back some of their own medicine.

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  27. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Now we know it was a Labour person who narked, Rob Salmon has appeared attempting a diversionary damage control derivative.

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  28. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    RRM: Look who’s talking.

    Right, so you think what he is doing is funny? I suppose you laugh when people make fun of handicapped kids as well.

    thedavincitwat: I’m genuinely sorry Bevan. I hadn’t realised you were lovers.

    Dream on buttwipe, I’ve wound Redbaiter up more than you could dream of. But only when he is being a dickhead, not for tame posts like the one above – all you’ve done is show that your nothing but a leg humper.

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  29. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    I’ll let you dream about winding ‘waiter up but while you’re awake try to focus on fundamental comprehension skills. And if you believe the ‘baiter’s reasons for anonymity then good for you. They no doubt coincide with your own.

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  30. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    and thedavincimode is attempting to threadjack the discussion about NARKING UNETHICAL BULLYING LABOUR STAFFERS.

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  31. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    thedavincitroll: Classic hypocrisy! Someone complaining about another using a pseudonym, while hiding behind one themselves!

    Expat: Agreed – although I couldn’t resist one last response, I’ll ignore the troll from now on.

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  32. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    Bevan – are you so terminally stupid and/or illiterate to comprehend that I have in no way complained about ‘baiter preferring anonymity. Are you so gobsmackingly stupid that you cannot see that the comment was directed his bullshit reason? Oops, rhetorical question – I do believe you are.

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  33. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    NARKING UNETHICAL BULLYING LABOUR STAFFERS

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  34. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    Sorry. Please don’t shout.

    Yes, quite outrageous. Bastards.

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  35. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Labour Staffers are excellent at stealing alcohol, recording private conversations at private invitation parties, google bombing, restricting shower pressures (Well, Almost), Vandalising election posters and hoardings, acting like brain dead drones. And being Gay. Not Happy.

    Allegedly.

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  36. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I also post at work being the boss, please don’t tell the wife I said I’m the boss, there may be a difference of opinion :-)

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  37. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    “Labour Staffers are excellent at….”

    Act leaders are excellent at setting up super cities and then selecting the next most important task:

    Ready To Get His Teeth Into Dog Laws

    …people whose dogs “soil public or other people’s private property should clean it up”.

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  38. pdm (842 comments) says:

    INV2 – I always understood that Mrs INV was the boss at work!!!

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  39. Rich Prick (1,320 comments) says:

    As the boss, if I find out one of my leftie drones outted that person I will be using the phrase “you’re sacked”. Please feel free to report the nark. Fingernails may be extracted … just for sport.

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  40. Clint Heine (1,560 comments) says:

    I always post under my real name however this has meant I have had many threats from lefties to make sure I never work in this country. Malcolm Harbrow – aka No Right Turn tried starting a google bomb for my name to ruin my reputation (which incidentally failed) and others try and get clever with their abuse by pretending to be me. The left really are a very nasty bunch of people.

    Pity for them really, as I live and work overseas so am at a arms length away from it all. When I do return I look forward to seeing how many are willing to say it to my face.

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  41. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    “The left really are a very nasty bunch of people.”

    How does sweeping abuse like this make you better than all the people you are accusing?

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    The truth hurting Pete? He is right. The left are a vicious cowardly and nasty lot, and anyone who has actively pursued policies and attitudes that confront their ideology, and been vocal in that pursuit, knows only to well what they are capable of.

    Impersonation (leaving messages all over the web under someone else’s name to discredit or smear them, as MNIJ is currently doing right now) is only part of it. They are largely despicable scum, and the reason they are like that is that to be a leftist, one has to be void of morality and self respect. Leftists (Progressives in particular) generally will commit any immorality, with the only restraint being the likelihood of being caught out.

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  43. Rob Salmond (260 comments) says:

    [DPF: Oh dear Rob - painting himself as the victim. I never said I would serve papers. I said 08wire was probably in breach of the EFA and I would lodge at a complaint. In the end I decided not to, as transparency achieved its aim - the public realised what 08wire really was. I've never tried to silence any blog]]

    1. I was not a victim at all, because your empty threats had no effect on 08wire except to give us more traffic. My comment is about your hypocrisy, not victimhood;
    2. As I have told you multiple times on this blog and elsewhere, the journos knew I was involved with 08wire before it launched. I sent them a press release with my name on it. Your hackneyed detectivery achieved nothing, except perhaps embarrassment for yourself and for Cameron;
    3. Oh, I see the tremendous principled difference between “lodging a complaint” and “delivering papers” now.
    4. Your last sentence omitted the word “successfully.”

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  44. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    On cue, Redhypocrite.

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  45. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Never impersonated lied about or played dirty tricks on anyone Pete. Always play with a straight bat. A while ago you were actively trying to smear me as a dole bludger. You post with much greater intensity than myself. Have I ever accused you of dole bludging? You’re the hypocrite.

    I have always said this. The left (especially the Progressives) have no answer to criticism and therefore the only way they can defend their position is through personally attacking their critics. This complements their common personality defect, a lack of morality, and taken together, these two afflictions logically explain their rancid behaviour towards anyone who seriously opposes them.

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  46. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    A while ago you were actively trying to smear me as a dole bludger.

    Not me.

    You post with much greater intensity than myself.

    Yeah, right.

    Never impersonated lied about or played dirty tricks on anyone Pete.

    Yeah, right. You frequently make accusations that are blatantly false. You’re either lying or very thick.

    have no answer to criticism and therefore the only way they can defend their position is through personally attacking their critics.

    You would never do anything like that, would you. It’s RedMO.

    these two afflictions logically explain their rancid behaviour towards anyone who seriously opposes them.

    What’s your affliction?

    RB, there is one thing you are extremely good at, self satire. Only one question – is it deliberate humour or not?

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  47. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Not me.”

    A lie.

    “Yeah, right.”

    6670 posts in less than two years is easily a greater frequency than my 11182 over 7 or 8 years. Nomestradamus I think did the maths, and your rate of posting was roughly 3 times greater.

    “You frequently make accusations that are blatantly false.”

    You constantly attempt this cowardly smear but when challenged, have never once come up with the goods. It’s a typical case of repeating a false allegation often enough so that in the end it is accepted at true.

    “You would never do anything like that, would you.”

    I don’t smear people with false allegations, (I’ve never called you a dole bludger) impersonate posters and leave disgusting messages all over the web, or set up fake web sites or any of that. You’re right. I do not.

    “RB, there is one thing you are extremely good at, self satire.”

    There is one thing you do constantly, and that is assert things that are patently untrue in attempts to smear others, as your post above and the excerpts I have countered here demonstrate. You’re not good at it though. Most people these days are awake to the left’s tactic of making constant smears in the hope some mud will stick. You need to wisen up you putrid coward.

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  48. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    “You constantly attempt this cowardly smear but when challenged, have never once come up with the goods. ”

    “I don’t smear people with false allegations”

    “There is one thing you do constantly, and that is assert things that are patently untrue in attempts to smear others”

    “Most people these days are awake to the left’s constant smears in the hope some mud will stick. ”

    RB, there is one thing you are extremely good at, self satire. Obliviously.

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  49. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Saul Alinsky: “Accuse others of what you are doing”

    As I have said so many times before- Prove it. You never can. You’re a coward.

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  50. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    I can play your game too.

    You’re an alien, a closet Scientologist, a lesbian, an ex-supporter of Pol Pot, a paid up member of Jim Anderton’s Progressive Party, you receive state benefits and you wear lipstick every day.

    Unless you can prove any of those are incorrect.

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  51. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” I can play your game too. ”

    I play no game, and I have never made any such false allegations, and I have never given you the slightest reason to make them. As with all the others you make, they are completely unwarranted and completely groundless.

    If you claim otherwise, and that I have made these kind of allegations, find your best one. Post it here and prove your case, as you have been asked to do so many times before. You can’t and you never can because your favoured tactic, as you have just proved above, is the smear.

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  52. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    Been through this before, and you just avoid and revert to your usual abuse and diversion.

    Last one was when you claimed to know who I’ve always voted for. You can’t know that, so you’re obviously wrong.

    You’ve also accused me of being a communist. I never have been, and there’s no way you can know or prove I am.

    You have claimed Obama was not born in Hawaii – wrong again. Repeatedly.

    You have claimed not to be religious, but you keep worshipping people like Palin and Beck and keep calling for Christian unity and support for your cause.

    You try to smear virtually all NZ media.
    You try to smear most NZ politicians.
    You abuse anyone you deem “to the left”, which means just about everyone.

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  53. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    OK, so which one of the four above examples of a “groundless smear” will you choose to debate. Name the one you consider the strongest, and I will then prove that you can only be regarded by anyone with a skerrick of morality as a weak and smearing coward. OK?

    Now go for it. Which one? It makes no difference to me, as I can demolish each one with equal ease. I merely begrudge spending the time I really should allocate elsewhere on a useless cowardly POS like you. So which one is your “proven groundless smear”.

    Oh, I see you added another three. You fucking idiot. You think I have all day to deal with you commie imbeciles. Name one, and stop trying to cloud your weakness and deceit.

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  54. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    You think I have all day to deal with you commie imbeciles.

    I don’t think that. So you’ve added yet another bit of Redbovinebumming – unless you can prove I do think it, and that I’m a communist. Imbecile is too subjective to debate.

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  55. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    So that is your choice is it? You seek to debate the point that-

    Pete George is not a communist and that when I say you are this is an unwarranted smear.

    Just so we know the terms- is this what you propose? Piss or get off the pot you time wasting dodger. As I said, my time is severly limited and what little of it I have available I would so very much prefer not to waste it on shirking cowards and worthless imbeciles like you.

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  56. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    That’s easy fixed then, don’t keep posting bullshit about people “you prefer not to waste time on”.
    You are the one who is dodging, as you usually do when someone calls your bluff and bluster.

    Or – if you prefer to dodge something else – you asserted you knew who I have always voted for, that’s obviously incorrect unless you can prove you have access to all my voting records.

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  57. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    There is nothing to fix other than your cowardly and transparent attempts to retreat from your smears. Is that the “baseless assertion” you want to debate or not? Here’s your big chance to win your point. To demolish my claims that you are a smearer and a coward who has no substance to back those smears. Anyone confident of themselves would not be running scared the way you are. I repeat- Is that the point you consider the best of the four and wish to debate or not? Answer the question yellow back.

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  58. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Starting at 7:58am, this morning we have 8 posts and counting by Masturbaiter on this thread alone. That’s a lot of time at the keyboard… you can see how people might reasonably assume Masturbaiter doesn’t have any gainful work to do.

    (I can only imagine what the General Redbaiter Platform 3 September 2010 thread looks like, I haven’t read that one yet.)

    Pete George, the difference between a smear and a question is in who’s asking. Leftist trolls smear, rightist trolls “ask questions”, silly.

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  59. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    If you want to debate, try this one, from your first post on this thread, and related to where this “debate” began:

    “But hasn’t it always been that way with the left? Throughout history, their objective has always been to stifle ideas and thoughts that extend any further than the concepts they “approve”.”

    The term “the left” only dates back to the times of French Revolution so cannot be “throughout history”.

    their objective has always been to stifle ideas and thoughts that extend any further than the concepts they “approve”

    Stifling ideas beyond “approved” concepts has been widely used and still is, as much by conservative Christians and Muslims and Redbaiter as it has by leftie groups, but there is no evidence that it “has always been their (the left’s) objective”.

    Your statement is an attempted smear against one group using vague exaggerations and claims that are not substantiated, and ignores the fact that it is a tactic used by many groups and individuals.

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You’re just a time wasting coward and dissembler and once again you have failed to substantiate your assertions in the slightest. You nominated your four issues. Now you’re trying to retreat from them. Again- pick the best one and debate it or stop wasting my time. I’ll bet your wife has to help you through every revolving door, or you’ll end up rotating until your legs drop. You absolute spineless crosswired shambling illogical and irrational communist moron.

    Starting at 7:58am, this morning we have 8 posts and counting by Masturbaiter on this thread alone.

    Most of them asking your cowardly fellow ideologue Mr. george to debate his smears. If he would only do something to support his rubbish, there would have been a lot less posts from myself. He just needs to stop squirming like the little toad he is and step up to the plate.

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  61. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    Except that you have conveniently “forgotten”, this is about your frequent lies and attempted smears. That you you have failed to substantiate in the slightest. As usual.

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  62. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    is that it?

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  63. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    That’s it. Fuck him. He’s just another time wasting commie coward.

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  64. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    You wouldn’t waste so much time if you just answered questions and backed up your claims. You know, like most people do on blogs. But your bullshit and bluster and avoidance is more entertaining.

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  65. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You’re a cheap coward. I asked you so many times to nominate the allegation you wanted to debate and as usual you turned to water. And as soon as you have scummed your yellow backed way out of that, you’re back to brazenly repeating your cowardly allegations.

    You see, that was what Beck was talking about when he assigned the title “Restoring Honour” to his gathering. It is people like you, who have no honour, no decency, no self respect, who are dragging our civilisation back into the swamps. You have no honour, and every word you have written on this thread demonstrates that to be true.

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  66. Angus (536 comments) says:

    C’mon Red. He’s an above-the-fray-urbane-moderate-and-reasoned “social-liberal” don’t you know?

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  67. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Haha– yep, we should all bow down and “answer his questions” as falsely premised and fucked up as they always are, or face our well earned retribution with grace and humility. Arrogant slime.

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  68. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    You have no honour, and every word you have written on this thread demonstrates that to be true.

    To show you act with honour, will you state that you never post anything on Kiwiblog about any person or group that you know could be all or partly false?

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  69. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You think we are bound to respond to your crap questions? Wisen up loser. You’re a lowlife and an idiot and I’ve wasted far too much time already pandering to your ignorant vanity. You had a chance to argue your point and you couldn’t so you’re back to the same old cowardice. No pride, no self respect, just the same old deceit and rank cowardice. Post after post after post of it. Keep it up scumbag, abuse Mr. Farrar’s blog as you wish, for its a sure thing your own conscience is no obstacle.

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  70. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    That sounds like a “no” to your honour.

    “You had a chance to argue your point and you couldn’t ”

    You’re the one that kept refusing to argue points I put forward. You challenged, I responded, you wimped out.
    As you do.

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  71. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    OK- put your point. I asked you previously to provide your best point. You completely refused. So I’m asking you again, and I will debate it with you till the cows come home seeing as that is apparently what you want you yellow disgusting repugnant POS. Where is the allegation I made that is baseless and that you deny and that you claim is a lie? Put your best one here and let’s debate it.

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  72. Fot (252 comments) says:

    “So I’m asking you again, and I will debate it with you till the cows come home”

    Wow!….are you going to break the habit of 11209 previous posts?

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  73. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    OK, maybe you haven’t understood my previous responses.

    You have accused me a number of times of being a communist/commie. What definition of “communist” do you base that on?

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  74. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Please confirm that the accusation that you are a communist is the unwarranted allegation that you wish to debate, and I will be happy to engage with you on this issue, An issue that could have been addressed hours ago if you had had the balls to specify it. For the record- Yes, I say you are a communist. In fact, a stinking cowardly yellow backed lying communist. But if you wish to debate the central issue then fine. Just confirm that it is this you wish to discuss and I’m willing to hold my nose and to debate it with you.

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  75. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    You’ve been procrastinating all day, most people here just start debating without negotiating a contract first.
    I confirm that “you are a communist” is the unsubstantiated allegation that I choose to debate.

    Yes, I say you are a communist. In fact, a stinking cowardly yellow backed lying communist.

    We can go through that step by step, but back to my previous question first:

    What definition of “communist” do you base that on?

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  76. thedavincimode (6,119 comments) says:

    Fot, don’t interrupt them. This has record-breaking potential.

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  77. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Well, I guess the opening point I wish to make is that whether you are a communist or not is not the point, in that in any discussion, I am entitled to call you one if I consider that you have demonstrated to me that you are one, and you have done this often enough.

    Secondly, to choose such a subjective model as your best point demonstrates the first mark against you, in to be a communist, one has to disavow logic, history and rationale, and you do that by means of choosing this allegation as the subject you can best argue against. It also demonstrates you’re a loser, another mark of the communist.

    Thirdly, your demonstrated lack of honour is another mark against you. So as far as the psychological profile goes, you’re well within the boundaries of being the pathological misfit that communists always are, and quite capable of committing the boundless atrocities against human kind that communists are well known for.

    Now, on to the political front- what part of “from each according to ability, to each according to need” do you disagree with?

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  78. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    Well, I guess the opening point I wish to make is that whether you are a communist or not is not the point, in that in any discussion, I am entitled to call you one if I consider that you have demonstrated to me that you are one, and you have done this often enough.

    I put a number of possible debate topics into the mix but you insisted on just one – now you say that isn’t the point? And head off on various tangents. You can call me whatever you like, as you do, but the real point here is that you claim not to lie or smear but you apply unsubstantiated and unsubstantiated names to me and many others, so I thought communist was an easy one for you to deal with.

    You haven’t answered my first, repeated question. What definition of “communist” do you base it on?
    Saying “I consider that you have demonstrated to me” is not a definition, nor proof.

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  79. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    “to be a communist, one has to disavow logic, history and rationale”

    “your demonstrated lack of honour is another mark against you” (you refused to demonstrate honour above)

    “you’re well within the boundaries of being the pathological misfit ”

    “quite capable of committing the boundless atrocities against human kind” – you have suggested stringing various people and groups up from lampposts a number of times, and try to promote revolution with “blood in the streets”

    You seem to be qualifying yourself to fit within your perception of communist.

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  80. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You seem to be qualifying yourself to fit within your perception of communist.”

    But that is not the objective of the debate Pete. You objective is to prove my allegation wrong. Lets keep on track if you don’t mind. Now (again) – what part of “from each according to ability, to each according to need” do you disagree with?

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  81. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    “You objective is to prove my allegation wrong. ”

    Not really, because I know you are wrong. I have never been a communist, I have never been accused of being a communist outside of this blog. But that is not provable, just like you can’t prove you have never been receiving an unemployment benefit.

    More to the point, you make a range of accusations that you can’t prove. That means you are making things up. Lying or thick?

    What colour lipstick are you wearing today?

    But for the purposes of debate, again then – What definition of “communist” do you base it on?

    Re: Now (again) – what part of “from each according to ability, to each according to need” do you disagree with?
    In what context? Commenting on a partial quote on it’s own is meaningless. I know it’s a Karl Marx quote (just checked on Google) but even if I had known it that proves nothing. Was that some sort of a trick question?

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  82. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Was that some sort of a trick question?”

    No, but if you cannot find any part of it to disagree with its pretty much the end of the debate about whether my allegation that you are a communist lacks any justification.

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  83. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    That’s pathetic. You didn’t disagree with any part of “What colour lipstick are you wearing today?” – does that prove you are a transvestite?

    What definition of “communist” do you base your accusations on? You seem to keep avoiding that question. It’s not a trick. It’s a key to the debate.

    We can get on to your accusation that I am capable of atrocities against humankind after we sort out the basics.

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  84. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I confirm that “you are a communist” is the unsubstantiated allegation that I choose to debate.”

    Your own words. It is not about me. It is about whether my allegation that “you (Peter George) are a communist” is “unsubstantiated”. Now (again) – what part of “from each according to ability, to each according to need” do you disagree with?

    Continued failure to respond to this simple question will provide all of the substantiation any reasonable person would need.

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  85. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    Your allegation is totally unsubstantiated – you can’t/won’t even define “communist”. Continued failure to respond to this makes any other claims meaningless.

    Re your quote, now (again) – in what context do you want me to comment on it? I think that’s an appropriate sentiment for a family.

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  86. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Case closed. Fuck off commie.

    (always so easy to demolish the left.)

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  87. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    You are both awesome.

    Friday night, 6:30. Go have some beers for christ’s sake.

    ;-)

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  88. Pete George (21,810 comments) says:

    You just demolish any credibility you might have had. You’re a joke – I get plenty of laughs at your nonsensical “debating” so that accusation is substantiated.

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