New Zealand’s Glenn Beck

September 22nd, 2010 at 8:25 am by David Farrar

I am not a fan of . I do like many of the Fox News presenters (long live Hannity), but Beck is just too over the top with the language he uses against the Obama Government, and holding them responsible for everything bad.

It occurred to me, that we now have our online equivalent in New Zealand of Glenn Beck. This goes to No Right Turn for declaring the Government is a Cabinet of murderers for not lowering the blood alcohol limit for driving. He even states:

So, Cabinet decided to kill 66 people and pay more than $500 million so the liquor industry could continue to make money. They’re murderers, nothing more.

This is extremism that goes beyond even the Glenn Becks of this world.

I guess by NRT’s logic, the last Labour Government decided to kill around 300 people by also not lowering the limit.

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86 Responses to “New Zealand’s Glenn Beck”

  1. Fot (252 comments) says:

    “I am not a fan of Glenn Beck.”

    Opps……prepare yourself for a torrent of abuse from Redbaiter.

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  2. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Cabinet must be responsible for much more than that. If they increased spending on health tenfold how many less murders would they have committed? Compulsory hygeine and safety levels in homes, another heap of life sentences avoided. All footpaths safety fenced, all pedestrian crossing points underground. All roads with inter-lane crash barriers. All knives and firearms and baseball bats banned. Cotton wool cocoons for all citizens.

    Until they have done all that we might as well convert parliament into a prison.

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  3. Inventory2 (10,264 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to debate Malcolm’s allegation with him. Unfortunately, in Malcolm’s world, he is right, and he won’t even entertain the possibility that someone might prove otherwise.

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  4. fractal (2 comments) says:

    Hannity??

    Shepard Smith is the only one of that crowd who is worth watching.

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  5. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    I don’t see the link between the driving blood alcohol limit and pandering to the alcohol industry. Lowering the limit doesn’t reduce the amount of alcohol that can be sold it just forces drinkers to make alternative arrangements. The government is gutless for not lowering the limit (preferably to zero) but it is pandering to the voters not the industry.

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  6. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    I just spent yesterday afternoon on a thread on The Standard pointing out how ridiculous they were to try and claim Cameron Slater was working closely with the National Party Research Unit.

    They are quite adament that both Cameron slater and DPF are in the pockets of the National Party doing their bidding such as attacks on prominent opponents of National like Whaleoil’s recent doctoring of the Jim Aderton interview footage on the earthquake.. They actually got incredibly nasty about it it was quite funny.

    So it seems that wacky Glenn Beck like commentators aren’t restricted to NRT but is prevalent in a number of places over the left leaning blogs.

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  7. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    BTW: isn’t the ACT party with their whack job ideas on global warming and law & order the Glenn Beck of New Zealand ?

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  8. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Fair point John (at 9.01am), but I’d call it cautious rather than gutless. I think there’s a private members bill to drop it to 0.6, can’t remember if it was drawn from the ballot or not, I’d be comfortable with that. I don’t see zero as a practical or fair option.

    Gosman, there are whackier than Glenn Beck posts here often enough, and not all from ‘the left”. And so-called righties attempt their own form of censorship here to.

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  9. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    “Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to debate Malcolm’s allegation with him. Unfortunately, in Malcolm’s world, he is right, and he won’t even entertain the possibility that someone might prove otherwise.”

    Much like many left-wing bloggers in N.Z. They pay lip service to free speech when it suits their ends but are huge fans of censorship of critical opinions of their views.

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  10. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    @ John Gibson

    If they are what would that make the Green Party with the wacky ideas on GM crops, Alternative medicine, and economic development?

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  11. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    “like Whaleoil’s recent doctoring of the Jim Aderton interview footage on the earthquake.. ” – Vote Slater – Keeping the Buggers Honest . Hmmmmm.

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  12. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Is there anyway we can wake Red up and get him started? I’ve got shit to do today and can’t sit around waiting for the defense of his deity to begin

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  13. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Gosman – fair call. There was the $500k p.a. the Greens got out of Labour to employ an alternative medicine policy wonk – time to ditch MMP perhaps and purge the nut bars from both extremes ?

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  14. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Does Beck really believe what he says or is it just an act to make money ?

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  15. excusesofpuppets (134 comments) says:

    You should leave a comment on the blog…

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  16. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to debate Malcolm’s allegation with him.

    It was the response to an equally stupid/absurd post which started the policy of “no comments”.

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  17. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    “Does Beck really believe what he says or is it just an act to make money ?”

    Beck has become a bit messiamanic, seems to think he can buy himself adulation and has been carried away with that. But he has also been called for using his show to promote shonky gold investments – ie, he is in it to make money and well as fame.

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  18. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “messiamanic” are you Palinising messianic with megalomaniac?

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  19. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    I dont mind Beck. He is over the top, but shit happens. Hes also not the sorta bloke id hang out with and his new thing of asking us to tithe every show cracks me up. BUT his show is quite informative. Some of the history segments he puts together are interesting.

    I find Hannity more aggressive than Beck.

    O’Reilly is good.

    Then of course, you have the fox chicks. my god. Megyn Kelly does it for Dime!

    oh yeah, no right turn is a douche

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  20. berend (1,699 comments) says:

    DPF: Beck is just too over the top with the language he uses against the Obama Government, and holding them responsible for everything bad.

    Clearly from someone who hasn’t listened to Beck.

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  21. mattyroo (1,017 comments) says:

    my god. Megyn Kelly does it for Dime!

    Reckon you might bump into in one of those late night establishments you visit Dime?

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  22. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    “messiamanic”

    Last time I watched him he was trying to talk up a religious revival, just after his self aggrandising Washington “Restoring Honor” – in fact it seemed more in honour of himself.

    I hadn’t heard this though – “asking us to tithe every show”. But I suppose it’s just the direct route to pockets, he has openly promoted a gold dealing company (selling at huge margins) who advertises on his show – and pays him too apparently.

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  23. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    I can’t say I was ever into revival meetings (not that I ever had the opportunity) but Beck would seem to be the sort of guy to host one.

    And I’m picking you meant messianic.

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  24. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Clearly from someone who hasn’t listened to Beck.”

    The ignorance of the NZ battery hens fed corn by their mainstream media masters is unbelievable, but its just something you have to get used in this country. Its why they’re all so extreme left but think of themselves as centrist. Just a nation of isolated and easily manipulated politically ignorant lamers. Where else would a solid Marxist like Helen Klark remain PM for three terms and be unrecognised for the extremist she was? Pigs in shit.

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  25. Whoops (139 comments) says:

    FWIW, I qwander around the various political blogs each day, and NRT’s is by far the most polemic – but sometimes there is good stuff there (ref; OIA review). The point of difference between NRT and KB (IMHO) is that I/S is brazen, DPF is subtle. Same (but opposite) goals, very different methods.

    I’m guessing that ‘Fomenting’ is a word not many users of KB understand…

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  26. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    matty – its hard to find one with a brain! theres a few who look like her though!

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  27. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    I’m guessing ‘happy’ is a word that not many readers of I/S understand

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  28. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    “And I’m picking you meant messianic.”

    Do you think it’s too soon to call on the manic bit? Maybe, but too much money, too much power, too many blind faith followers, dangerous or disastrous possibilities.

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  29. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “Do you think it’s too soon to call on the manic bit?” – not necessarily, although I think it’s a question of when passionate turns to manic?

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  30. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    Come on Redbaiter, you might not like John Stewart but you have to admit he is a master and skewering Glenn Beck for making outrageous and double standard comments. I especially love how he made him look like a fool on the whole Mosque near Ground Zero controversy.

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  31. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    Isnt NRT providing the rudimentary cost benefit analysis you were begging for and half ass attempting yourself yesterday DPF?

    [DPF: No. He is not. He is doing the equivalent of someone accusing Labour of being a gang of rapist and paedophiles and killers because of their changes to the parole laws. You obviously approve of such tactics]

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  32. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    To compare NRT to Beck or vice versa, or even to call Beck and extremist is something that demonstrates such an appalling ignorance of what Beck is about I find it absolutely stunning.

    Beck has not criticised Obama’s government as the architect of everything that is bad. He includes numerous governments right back to the 1900s and his key point is that it is then that Americans started to move away from the American Constitution. And he is correct in this. Constitutions exist to be adhered to and the US one makes it clear that it should be upheld by the people.

    NRT is of the political species that would like to tear the American Constitution to shreds.

    As for Beck’s POV on the Obama government, he has during almost the whole time his show has continued, had a telephone line kept open for anyone from the Whitehouse to call and correct him on anything he says that is not true. Not one call has been made.

    I disappoints me that Mr. Farrar, who tries hard to be a classic liberal and succeeds reasonably well in that endeavour, would attack Glenn Beck, one of the most classic liberals in the political arena today and one who advocates most strongly for that particular political POV. Somehow there’s some major disconnect here. I suspect its part of being in the Wellington beltway and enjoying a similar disconnect from reality as the established Washington elite (that are under attack from the Tea Party movement and have most to lose if the Tea Partiers succeed.)

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  33. eszett (2,392 comments) says:

    I do like many of the Fox News presenters (long live Hannity),

    Sean Hannity can be a bit mischievous when editing footage as well.

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  34. eszett (2,392 comments) says:

    or even to call Beck and extremist is something that demonstrates such an appalling ignorance of what Beck is about I find it absolutely stunning.

    Extremists never think that they are extremists. They usually think they are pretty reasonable. Just take a look at yourself.

    Somehow there’s some major disconnect here.

    There has been a major disconnect between you and reality for quite a while now.

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  35. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Come on Redbaiter, you might not like John Stewart but you have to admit he is a master”

    John Stewart is a partisan Democrat political activist and for you to not recognise him as such demonstrates a staggering degree of political ignorance. He and Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert are refered to as “The Palace Guards” and if you do not know where that term originates do a search.

    In fact they’re organising a rally right now and the purpose is to counter Beck’s Tea Party rally. Given the size of Beck’s rally, and that he is commonly described by the left as extremist, it will be interesting to see the size of Stewart’s rally. As he likes to posture as a moderate there should be at least three times the number present as attended Beck’s rally, wouldn’t you say?

    Beck does not pretend to be anything other than what he is. Stewart pretends to be impartial when he isn’t. I have no time for such deceivers.

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2010/09/18/obamas-palace-guards-maher-colbert-jon-stewart-go-all-in-to-save-the-democrats/

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  36. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    Jon Stewart has descended into outright hackery over the last 12 months. Sad waste of talent.

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  37. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    I do like many of the Fox News presenters (long live Hannity),

    Sean Hannity can be a bit mischievous when editing footage as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3hMODMyed8

    Any story needs to be heard from different sources to have any chance of learning whats going on.

    All the news sources (incl Fox) spin the news, if you think there are fair news sources elsewhere, you are deluded.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RedEyeRecap#p/search/0/6IElE7dflRM

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  38. Fot (252 comments) says:

    “And he is correct in this. Constitutions exist to be adhered to and the US one makes it clear that it should be upheld by the people. ”

    Beck is like so many other political figures in the US, they love the idea of the constitution just as long as it suits their beliefs, the bits that do not suit them they ignore, the classic example being the separation of church and state.

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    In a 2010 interview in Forbes, Beck asserted that his business was not political, but is an entertainment company: “I could give a flying crap about the political process,” continuing on to say that Mercury Radio Arts, his production company, is “an entertainment company”.[1]

    From the man himself, he is just a fair ground huckster, a Benny Hinn, selling snake oil to the sad ,the lonely, the extreme right disinfranchised.

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  40. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv/ Fot I’m sick of you and your cowardly smears (such as the one you opened this thread with). You are a liar and a false accuser and a constant coward. You have less to say here of worth than MNIJ, and that is saying something. (and apparently as many names to say it) How anyone can act as such lowlife in public is astonishing from anyone but the hard left, and I’m now aware that that is where you are coming from. Your attacks on Beck and myself and various other right wing commentators put you firmly in the leftist camp, so spare us the posturing as a right winger. Your constant lies and smears show you have no personal morality and without that morality you cannot be anything but a Progressive no matter what other shallow political perspectives you may advocate.

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  41. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    Why are you and so many others so obsessed with him then Paul?

    I don’t watch his show. Neither do I watch Keith Olberman, Chris Wallace, Creflo Dollar, John Campbell and many other commentators that I have no interest in. I don’t spend all my time talking about people whose shows I don’t watch either.

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “From the man himself, he is just a fair ground huckster, a Benny Hinn, selling snake oil to the sad ,the lonely, the extreme right disinfranchised.”

    Perfectly right, and that is why the left have not put enormous resources and effort into trying to shut him down. He’s no threat to anyone and only appeals to jerkoffs and losers and therefore isn’t worth a pinch of effort.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/33524709/Americans-the-Left-Smears-and-Hates-Glenn-Beck-is-at-the-top-of-their-list

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  43. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    ..and only appeals to jerkoffs and losers ..

    I think you are being a bit hard on your self Red, you’ll bugger your self esteem if you think like that too much.

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  44. redeye (638 comments) says:

    @eszett 10:01 – a good example of ‘Fear and Balanced’ there eszett.

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  45. redeye (638 comments) says:

    redbaiter: “your attacks on Beck and myself and various other right wing commentators”

    Consider yourself a commentator now redbaiter? Ha ha ha ha ha.

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  46. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “@ eszett 10:01 – a good example of ‘Fear and Balanced’ there eszett.”

    Hhaha.. you commie trolls are such a joke. You have turned today’s mainstream media into a modern version of Pravda, destroyed it as you destroy everything you control, and you have the damn gall to point the finger at FOX. What a mad world you exist in.

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  47. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    [DPF: No. He is not. He is doing the equivalent of someone accusing Labour of being a gang of rapist and paedophiles and killers because of their changes to the parole laws. You obviously approve of such tactics]

    Yipes – is this really DPF?? What happened to the fair and reasonable man we once knew….

    [DPF: Wow you are slow today. I'll make this simple for you. I do not regard Labour as a gang of rapists, paedophiles and killers. I would find it distasteful if anyone stated they were just because of their decision on parole laws. Equally distasteful (in fact almost insane) is NRT's statement that National is a cabinet of murderers because of their decision on drink driving laws. I used the analogy to show hoe extreme NRT has gone. You should be glad I am fair and reasonable and don't do what he does]

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  48. redeye (638 comments) says:

    Addressing the point again I see redbaiter. That’s the Faux way.

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  49. eszett (2,392 comments) says:

    What a mad world you exist in.

    Keep it comin, red.
    New levels of self-parody.

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  50. joe90 (273 comments) says:

    Here’s the Forbes article on Beck.

    With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: “I could give a flying crap about the political process.” Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. “We’re an entertainment company,” Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth. He gets $13 million a year from print (books plus the ten-issue-a-year magazine Fusion). Radio brings in $10 million. Digital (including a newsletter, the ad-supported Glennbeck.com and merchandise) pulls in $4 million. Speaking and events are good for $3 million and television for $2 million. Over several days in mid-March Beck allowed a reporter to follow him through his multimedia incarnations, with one exception, his 5 p.m. daily show on Fox News, which attracts just under 3 million viewers. (FORBES has a relationship with that channel via Forbes on Fox.

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  51. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    “New levels of self-parody.”

    Beck or RedBorat?

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  52. Whoops (139 comments) says:

    @ Rightnow;

    “I’m guessing ‘happy’ is a word that not many readers of I/S understand”

    Yes, I agree… but you’ve got to make allowances as they’re still getting over the shock of losing the election. :-)

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  53. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    Why do you think John Stewart pretends to be impartial Redbaiter? I think it is pretty clear that he regards himself and the views he expresses to be on the moderate left of the American Political spectrum.

    I haven’t yet seen him picked up on the huge amounts of double standards and conspiracy theory bollocks that he shows Glenn Beck up on though. The worst you have on him seems to be some tenuous link to the Clinton administration where a former Clinton staffer works for Comedy Central as an event organiser. Oooooooh ! How very ….ordinary.

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  54. Bullion (74 comments) says:

    Brietbart makes news to fit his agenda
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbuIme-iCc

    And more on Hannity
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/are-you-ready-for-some-midterms—-msnbc-s-political-narrative

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  55. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    If Beck is such an irrelevance why do all our lefty mates wet their pants when his name is mentioned ? The sad fact for the left is that Fox is pissing all over the lefty media arse lickers who parrot the progressive agenda. Suffer you lefty bastards you deserve all you get. It must be most alarming seeing your lies put up daily on the small screen, it’s such a great shame that our own bent regime isn’t picked apart for all to see.

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  56. joe90 (273 comments) says:

    Beck’s not an irrelevance ssb, he’s entertainment and he’s said so himself.

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  57. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    I love Fox news if only for the fact that it shows up Noam Chomsky’s view in the 1970’s that the media in the US are more conservative than the general population and lead the debate. If that was true at the time then there is no way Fox news would have found a niche in the market place and some hard left cable news show would be a ratings hit instead.

    However that stated Fox news isn’t Fair and balanced as they make out. It is quite plainly partisan news reporting. Now people might be okay with that but it does fly in the face of some views that journalists should attempt to present the debate from both sides as much as possible.

    The other thing is the double standards and irrational fear mongering that the programmes on the channel promote in relation to many issues. The Mosque near the WTC site controversy is a prime example of this (even though I am against this being built). There was an attempt to link the guy behind this project, (Iman Ralph I think his name was), to some dodgy Saudi financier. The upshot was this guy was a dangerous radical who is using Iman Ralph to do his bidding. The trouble was this same guy also is a key financier behind Fox news.

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  58. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    That’s right Bob. These lying left wing scum all write here suggesting Beck is a nutter when the truth is, with his assault on their Potemkin village of lies and smears and its false fronts held in place by a Pravda like mainstream media, he has them all running like the frightened cowards they all are.

    They’re shitting their pants because Beck speaks the truth that is always to the leftist like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire. Lie and smear all you like cowards. You’re losing big time. Beck knows it. I know it, and YOU KNOW IT.

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  59. NeutralObserver (93 comments) says:

    Actually Beck sort of scares me (which given the whole FoxNews thing seems to be about ‘fear’, is no surprise). His ability to influence an increasing demographic of Americans leaves me part agog, part worried for our future.

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Actually Beck sort of scares me”

    Good. That is the whole idea. You need to be scared. Your days of political ascendancy are drawing to a close and soon there will be no gummint to leech off and change your nappies for you. You’ll be all on your own, and I can see how that would scare the shit out of any gang of democracy abusing power obsessed parasites.

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  61. Chthoniid (2,029 comments) says:

    Beck isn’t a classical liberal, he’s a religious neocon.
    I’m reminded of this recent remark

    ”This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture….I’m not saying he doesn’t like white people, I’m saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist.”
    —Glenn Beck, on President Obama, sparking an advertiser exodus from his FOX News show, July 28, 2009

    He’s a nutter all right.

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  62. TCrwdb (246 comments) says:

    DPF: Beck is just too over the top with the language he uses against the Obama Government, and holding them responsible for everything bad.

    Clearly from someone who hasn’t listened to Beck.

    Hear, hear.

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  63. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “He’s a nutter all right.”

    Unless you can prove how that shows he’s a “nutter” you risk being labeled as one yourself.

    Merely repeating a left wing media meme driven allegation is no proof of anything. Some could easily say that your obsessive intolerance for Christianity is more insane than anything Beck has ever said or done. Especially how it is this intolerance that has handed the left power in so many elections, and yet you claim to be working to remove the left from power.

    Here is Glenn Beck doing more to remove the left from power and restore Constitutional government than anyone in the last few decades and yet you’re here with the left smearing him with the same cowardly smears they use. Yet you self identify as a rightist.

    How is that at all rational? I’d suggest you might be the one suffering some kind of mental problems, most of all when it comes to logical thinking.

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  64. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    The other thing is the double standards and irrational fear mongering that the programmes on the channel promote in relation to many issues. The Mosque near the WTC site controversy is a prime example of this (even though I am against this being built).

    Here’s fun. Demonstrate that your being against the Ground Zero Mosque construction is not a result of you being manipulated by the “corporate conservative” US media, especially Fox. Once you’ve tried that out on Kiwiblog trot over to any of the leftie blogs here and try out the same argument.

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  65. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    My objection the the Ground Zero Mosque is that believers in Islam were responsible for the attacks on September 11th 2001 and that they justified their actions from that backward intolerant belief system. Hence Muslims need to acknowledge the fact that people might find building a center to propagate this belief system in close proximity to the location of the attacks could be regarded as insensitive to many many people.

    If the West has to take the views of Muslims in to account when it comes to such things as burning Quran’s and drawing cartoons involing Muhammed, (which it seemingly does for some reason), then it is not asking too much in return for Muslims to try and avoid antagonising Western values and beliefs.

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  66. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    Sigh

    Gosman

    Appreciate the thoughts. I could not agree more.

    But it’s not what I asked you.

    I asked whether you could demonstrate that such thoughts are not the result of being manipulated by the corporatist conservative media in the US, or the far-right Fox network?

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  67. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    How am I able to demonstrate that my views aren’t influenced by others? That seems quite impossible to prove not just on this topic. Perhaps you could show a logical way of doing it.

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  68. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    [DPF: Wow you are slow today. I'll make this simple for you. I do not regard Labour as a gang of rapists, paedophiles and killers. I would find it distasteful if anyone stated they were just because of their decision on parole laws. Equally distasteful (in fact almost insane) is NRT's statement that National is a cabinet of murderers because of their decision on drink driving laws. I used the analogy to show hoe extreme NRT has gone. You should be glad I am fair and reasonable and don't do what he does]

    I guess it could be argued that because it’d been established that 30 or 33 deaths would be prevented by lowering BAC from.8 to .5, when Cabinet backed down, it was a very clear and conscious decision….NRT extends to straight up, and justified hyperbole. On the other hand by way of comparison “labour as a gang rapists” because of their postion on parole” is drawing a fricken long bow…

    affectionately K Jones.

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  69. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    Gosman

    Exactly.

    I just wondered why that did not occur to you when quoting Chomsky – or anybody else who tells you that your opinion has been “manipulated”, whereas they have somehow managed to overcome such limitations through sheer power of intellect and analysis.

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  70. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Of course everyone is manipulated or at least influenced by what information is chosen to be presented and how it is presented.

    My first thought was that “manipulated” may be unfair on many news outlets, they may not deliberately try and distort for a purpose, but rather present something with their own inbuilt bias. But they certainly try and manipulate your viewing habits – tease to come back, make more dramatic and compelling etc. And I have no doubt some, especially political “journalists”, see themselves as guides or future news makers rather than informers.

    Advertising is obviously a form of media manipulation, that’s it’s aim.

    Some people seem to take their first impression and stick with it, others use “sheer power of intellect and analysis” to at least question what is presented, seek alternate views, and even question their own view on it. They even manipulate themselves by seeking outlets with the sort of slant they like. It’s easy to seek different paths and get lead yourself up the garden.

    First impressions or carefully considered, which is the least inaccurate?

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  71. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You never commented upon the Christine O’Donnell videos I recommended you watch PG. I was interested in hearing how your view of her after watching the videos compared with the picture you had received from the mainstream media.

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  72. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    If there is evidence that reducing the driving blood alcohol limit would reduce deaths, and the government has the power to reduce that limit then surely not doing so is criminally negligent ? Similarly the government is negligent by not making cigarettes illegal. To call them murderers might be extreme but in a way they are.

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  73. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Ever heard of MNIJ Mr Gibson?

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  74. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    MNIJ = ?

    A zero limit would be even better. It would shift some of the drinkers expenditure from consuming alcohol to paying for taxi’s reducing overall alcohol consumption even further. It seems reasonable to speculate that National is scared of voter backlash as Labour probably were. That is no excuse for not taking correct action.

    It is interesting that Chch city council are increasing the standards for retrofitting earthquake protection in old buildings. If they had had the courage to stand up top developer/owner objections before the earthquake many of these buildings may still be standing.

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  75. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Glen Beck debates the science of climate change by calling it a socialist plot ? “Well, the new global warming czar listed as one of the 14 leaders of a socialist group commissioned for a sustainable world society. Socialists International, an umbrella group for many of the world’s social Democratic parties such as the Labor Party over in Great Britain, says it supports socialism and is highly critical of U.S. policies.”

    So avoid hard facts and furiously blow the red whistle to call your followers.

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  76. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Don’t you ever feel used by the media’s elitist leftists, in their assuming that you will fall for the line that policies don’t matter because everyone who ever threatens their hold on power is a “nutter”. (Beck, Palin, Angle, O’Donnell, The Tea Partiers for just some examples)

    Surely they would only expect such a strategy to work over and over and over again if the target of their influence was regarded as hopelessly stupid.

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  77. Socrates (86 comments) says:

    “My objection the the Ground Zero Mosque is that believers in Islam were responsible for the attacks on September 11th 2001 and that they justified their actions from that backward intolerant belief system. Hence Muslims need to acknowledge the fact that people might find building a center to propagate this belief system in close proximity to the location of the attacks could be regarded as insensitive to many many people. ”

    How about not building the Mosque being insensitive to all the Muslim firefighters who died in 911. People ignore that innocent Muslims working in the towers and responding to 911 died also…

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  78. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “If there is evidence that reducing the driving blood alcohol limit would reduce deaths, and the government has the power to reduce that limit then surely not doing so is criminally negligent ? ”

    There’s even more evidence that driving a new model car with side intrusion prevention and ABS braking will reduce deaths.
    Isn’t it criminally negligent not to outlaw old vehicles – I guess we might allow some leeway – perhaps the government should outlaw any vehicle over 4 years old from our roads?

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  79. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    @ Socrates

    Islam has a massive credibility issue. Mainstream Islamic theology is anathema to the the ideals of the West as set down from the Enlightenment onwards.

    What Muslims shouldn’t be able to dispute, (although many millions do), is that their mainstream belief system was used as justification to kill deliberately thousands of innocent civillians in a Western country. They need to face up to this fact and demand a reform of their mainstream religious beliefs along the lines of what happened in Western societies in the past 250 years or so.

    Sure there are Muslims who are upstanding law abiding citizens of whatever Western countries they belong to. However there are always good people no matter if the system they profess to follow is wrong. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t challenge them to moderate their beliefs and acknowledge that perhaps they should exercise a little bit of sensitivity to others.

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  80. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    How about not building the Mosque being insensitive to all the Muslim firefighters who died in 911…..

    Depends on the degree to which the branch of Islam pushing the mosque is theologically related to the fundamentalist Muslims who committed the act.

    Then it could be very insensitive to US Muslim firefighters.

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  81. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    They can’t Gosman can they?

    The Koran is direct from God and can’t be changed, indeed is punishable by death.
    Similar the Sira and Hadiths represent the majority of the text that underpins Sharia Law.
    Remember Muhammad was the perfect example of a Muslim and is to be emulated as such which is the reason for the Sira and hadiths to give practical life to the Koran for the Umma.

    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/upload/wysiwyg/article%20pdfs/Shariah%20-%20The%20Threat%20to%20America%20%28Team%20B%20Report%29%2009142010.pdf
    Is what all democracies face with Sharia and Islam.

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  82. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    Given the fact that the key members of the organisation behind the Mosque near Ground Zero are also involved in campaigns supporting Sharia law around the world, (which is something noone in a Western country should ever support if they believe in the principles of a liberal democratic political process), I would suggest that being against the Mosque being built in that location is sending the message that this sort of view is not acceptable in Western society. This would be no different to if the KKK attempted to build a world headquarters close to where Martin Luther king was shot. Would you tolerate that Socrates?

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  83. Nomestradamus (3,252 comments) says:

    DPF wrote:

    This is extremism that goes beyond even the Glenn Becks of this world.

    Yes. A bit like this piece of extremism that led to DPF writing:

    [DPF: Good bye Phil. Your hysteria about blood from aborted babies on my hands is so far over the offensiveness scale that your time here is over for a very long time]

    What is about some people that drives them to adopt such extremist positions on certain paper-and-match issues like abortion and (in the case of No Right Turn) road safety?

    In the case of No Right Turn, though, I’m curious to know why he doesn’t allow comments on his blog. What’s he afraid of, exactly – reasoned debate?

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  84. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    “I guess it could be argued that because it’d been established that 30 or 33 deaths would be prevented by lowering BAC from.8 to .5,”

    That hasn’t been established though. Furthermore, while there may be some benefit in terms of road deaths, what cost does lowering BAC impose upon drivers? Rational policy, people, means considering both benefits AND costs and while there is a time element to policy choices (which can necessitate rapid decision-making – illustrated aptly by the response around regulations in the context post-Christchurch earthquake) it does not appear to be urgent in this case.

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  85. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    Originally posted by Baiter:
    Just a nation of isolated and easily manipulated politically ignorant lamers. Where else would a solid Marxist like Helen Klark remain PM for three terms and be unrecognised for the extremist she was? Pigs in shit.

    Assuming you actually meant what those words say, then clearly you don’t like living in this country. Why don’t you go away? You can get all the Glenn Beck your fantasies desire in the USA.

    Why would you want to continue to rub shoulders with all us politically ignorant lamers, when you hate it so much? Are you a masochist, or just a loser?

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  86. Dazzaman (1,134 comments) says:

    Yep dime, Megan Kelley is banging!!!

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