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		<title>By: Beatman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-752133</link>
		<dc:creator>Beatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[www.ipoll.co.nz This is a website that will make a big difference in New Zealand; it provides a place where you can have your say. This is where politicians, marketing people, research companies, consumers, and citizens’ behaviour analysts can collect the statistics that will enable them to guide this country forward to a unified outcome.

Take a look at the polls on the website www.ipoll.co.nz and sign up for the daily polls email alert.
It went crazy with the Paul Henry saga.
The more feedback we can get from visitors to the website, the more accurately we can predict and measure the general mood and direction New Zealand should take. No more one-man band…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ipoll.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipoll.co.nz</a> This is a website that will make a big difference in New Zealand; it provides a place where you can have your say. This is where politicians, marketing people, research companies, consumers, and citizens’ behaviour analysts can collect the statistics that will enable them to guide this country forward to a unified outcome.</p>
<p>Take a look at the polls on the website <a href="http://www.ipoll.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipoll.co.nz</a> and sign up for the daily polls email alert.<br />
It went crazy with the Paul Henry saga.<br />
The more feedback we can get from visitors to the website, the more accurately we can predict and measure the general mood and direction New Zealand should take. No more one-man band…</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-742767</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How important are the &quot;undecideds&quot; in normal polling? Are they omitted because it&#039;s too hard to do anything with them. Do they normally follow the approximate proportions of the committed voter? Unless there are late shifts?

I thought the main &quot;deciders&quot; in an election were which way the undecideds end up going, how many of the undecideds don&#039;t vote (&quot;can&#039;t decide so won&#039;t bother&quot;, &quot;I&#039;m lukewarm so won&#039;t bother&quot;, &quot;they don&#039;t deserve it but I won&#039;t vote for the others&quot;) and how many decided voters don&#039;t vote - especially important for the struggling side as the Dems know for November. Activating the base is a key strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How important are the &#8220;undecideds&#8221; in normal polling? Are they omitted because it&#8217;s too hard to do anything with them. Do they normally follow the approximate proportions of the committed voter? Unless there are late shifts?</p>
<p>I thought the main &#8220;deciders&#8221; in an election were which way the undecideds end up going, how many of the undecideds don&#8217;t vote (&#8220;can&#8217;t decide so won&#8217;t bother&#8221;, &#8220;I&#8217;m lukewarm so won&#8217;t bother&#8221;, &#8220;they don&#8217;t deserve it but I won&#8217;t vote for the others&#8221;) and how many decided voters don&#8217;t vote &#8211; especially important for the struggling side as the Dems know for November. Activating the base is a key strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Repton</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-742761</link>
		<dc:creator>Repton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is a &quot;panel poll&quot;?  Is it different from, say, the internet polls on stuff.co.nz?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a &#8220;panel poll&#8221;?  Is it different from, say, the internet polls on stuff.co.nz?</p>
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		<title>By: Loco Burro</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-742745</link>
		<dc:creator>Loco Burro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rogue Poll eh ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogue Poll eh <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF, now that you have raised polling methodology, care to comment on the Banks polling that only seeks the voting intentions of those who voted last time, in order to bolster his numbers over Brown?

[DPF: That is an incorrect assertion]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF, now that you have raised polling methodology, care to comment on the Banks polling that only seeks the voting intentions of those who voted last time, in order to bolster his numbers over Brown?</p>
<p>[DPF: That is an incorrect assertion]</p>
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		<title>By: pollywog</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-742708</link>
		<dc:creator>pollywog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[DPF: Try not to talk on topics you obviously know nothing about. You look foolish. This is not about picking polls that favour one side - I know you can;t imagine in your partisan brain any other explanation though. This is about the reliability of Internet panels as being representative of the overall population]&lt;/i&gt;

Hah...oh right, so i should let the experts formulate my opinion and i just BAA along in unison with the rest of the sheeple come voting time . Looking foolish is not something i give 2 shits about eh... especially not online

Partisan ? ohh now isn&#039;t that a classic black kettle calling the pot out  moment. FWIW I&#039;m no more a Goff fan as i am a Key one and no, IN MY OPINION, this isnt about the reliability of internet panels as being representative of the overall population

this is about you calling this poll out cos it shows your beloved National party slipping in the polls and if it had showed them hovering about the 60% you prolly would have held it up as proof of the good work and massive public support Key has....PFFFT.

spin it all you like but you&#039;re obviously not as clever as you think you are and it&#039;s foolish to even pretend you can fool us into thinking you are...

you&#039;re sooo transparently partisan it&#039;s laughable, but i suppose if i was paid to be, i would be too.

so yeah using your ipredict skills, how about answering this...what do you think is gonna happen to Key’s popularity after the 20% GST price gouge/increase and the introduction of the ‘fatcat’ taxcuts ?

especially if you factor in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&amp;objectid=10675190&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auckland confidence shows steep dive&lt;/a&gt; or this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&amp;objectid=10675433&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auckland confidence shows steep dive&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;d like to see Smile and Wave and Blinglish cast their magic trickle down economic policy wand over that and make it all disappear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[DPF: Try not to talk on topics you obviously know nothing about. You look foolish. This is not about picking polls that favour one side - I know you can;t imagine in your partisan brain any other explanation though. This is about the reliability of Internet panels as being representative of the overall population]</i></p>
<p>Hah&#8230;oh right, so i should let the experts formulate my opinion and i just BAA along in unison with the rest of the sheeple come voting time . Looking foolish is not something i give 2 shits about eh&#8230; especially not online</p>
<p>Partisan ? ohh now isn&#8217;t that a classic black kettle calling the pot out  moment. FWIW I&#8217;m no more a Goff fan as i am a Key one and no, IN MY OPINION, this isnt about the reliability of internet panels as being representative of the overall population</p>
<p>this is about you calling this poll out cos it shows your beloved National party slipping in the polls and if it had showed them hovering about the 60% you prolly would have held it up as proof of the good work and massive public support Key has&#8230;.PFFFT.</p>
<p>spin it all you like but you&#8217;re obviously not as clever as you think you are and it&#8217;s foolish to even pretend you can fool us into thinking you are&#8230;</p>
<p>you&#8217;re sooo transparently partisan it&#8217;s laughable, but i suppose if i was paid to be, i would be too.</p>
<p>so yeah using your ipredict skills, how about answering this&#8230;what do you think is gonna happen to Key’s popularity after the 20% GST price gouge/increase and the introduction of the ‘fatcat’ taxcuts ?</p>
<p>especially if you factor in <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&amp;objectid=10675190" rel="nofollow">Auckland confidence shows steep dive</a> or this <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/small-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=85&amp;objectid=10675433" rel="nofollow">Auckland confidence shows steep dive</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see Smile and Wave and Blinglish cast their magic trickle down economic policy wand over that and make it all disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: pollywog</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/09/online_panel_polls.html/comment-page-1#comment-742664</link>
		<dc:creator>pollywog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hmmm...lets advocate for selective reporting of polls that only favour our political bias, then eh ?

For all the bullshit, the people in that poll still don&#039;t rate Key and his gov&#039;t that highly, Goff even less and for a lot of people the jury is still out on who they&#039;d vote for.

Sounds like a fair snapshot off the public mood.

And what do you think is gonna happen to Key&#039;s popularity after the 20% GST price gouge/increase and the introduction of the &#039;fatcat&#039; taxcuts  ?

[DPF: Try not to talk on topics you obviously know nothing about. You look foolish. This is not about picking polls that favour one side - I know you can;t imagine in your partisan brain any other explanation though. This is about the reliability of Internet panels as being representative of the overall population]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;lets advocate for selective reporting of polls that only favour our political bias, then eh ?</p>
<p>For all the bullshit, the people in that poll still don&#8217;t rate Key and his gov&#8217;t that highly, Goff even less and for a lot of people the jury is still out on who they&#8217;d vote for.</p>
<p>Sounds like a fair snapshot off the public mood.</p>
<p>And what do you think is gonna happen to Key&#8217;s popularity after the 20% GST price gouge/increase and the introduction of the &#8216;fatcat&#8217; taxcuts  ?</p>
<p>[DPF: Try not to talk on topics you obviously know nothing about. You look foolish. This is not about picking polls that favour one side - I know you can;t imagine in your partisan brain any other explanation though. This is about the reliability of Internet panels as being representative of the overall population]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This “Internet panel survey” at least includes undecided (20%) which seems realistic, a lot of people wil be unsure at this stage.

Something many polls seem to leave out is the undecideds, who I thought would be some of the more important voters. Polls showing National 50, Labour 30, Greens, Act, Maori etc adding up to most of the rest, they are ignoring undecided, which are the ones that will actually decide the outcome of an election.

Plus, beyond the undecideds are those who won&#039;t participate. How many more % will be in that category? Nine times out of ten I won&#039;t do a political poll, it&#039;s pointless as I don&#039;t make my mind up until the day I vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This “Internet panel survey” at least includes undecided (20%) which seems realistic, a lot of people wil be unsure at this stage.</p>
<p>Something many polls seem to leave out is the undecideds, who I thought would be some of the more important voters. Polls showing National 50, Labour 30, Greens, Act, Maori etc adding up to most of the rest, they are ignoring undecided, which are the ones that will actually decide the outcome of an election.</p>
<p>Plus, beyond the undecideds are those who won&#8217;t participate. How many more % will be in that category? Nine times out of ten I won&#8217;t do a political poll, it&#8217;s pointless as I don&#8217;t make my mind up until the day I vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be just as useful for msm to report polls for what they are worth too, rather than suggesting that they are somehow representative of something meaningful...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be just as useful for msm to report polls for what they are worth too, rather than suggesting that they are somehow representative of something meaningful&#8230;</p>
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