Carter says Jones would be a better leader

October 15th, 2010 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

has finally named an MP whom he says would be a better leader for than Phil Goff – . The NZ Herald reports:

Yesterday on Radio Live, Mr Carter also mentioned Shane Jones as one of those he believed could be a better leader than Mr Goff. He has previously refused to name them.

By coincidence writes in the :

Which brings us to Mr Jones.  Just as Mr Brown was ridiculed after his head-banging incident, Mr Jones suffered public humiliation from his penchant for porn.  But time heals, and Mr Jones is the latest manifestation of the Maori leader who can appeal across racial lines.  He’s the Labour man business thinks it can work with.

Moreover, his ambition is great, having been the golden child of his hapu from the day he was born.

Unpopular with Labour’s rainbow and feminist wings, securing the leadership would require him to produce polling showing him as capable of transforming Labour from a possible to a probable.  Even then, he would face opposition from party president Andrew Little, who needs Labour to lose in 2011 if his own leadership ambitions can be fulfilled.

Nevertheless, having decided to stick with politics despite his porn humiliation, Mr Jones is not there to muck around.

He’s already raising his profile and briefing journalists about his comeback.  The time for him to act is now.

And again, by coincidence, ’s blogs:

Watching the miners in Chile, I can’t help but think of the Labour MPs – stuck down a dark hole, with an incredible effort needed to get them out.

It’s leader Phil Goff’s job to get them out – now he’s finished burying Chris Carter.

And one man who needs a lifeline is Shane Jones.

This call is never going to resonate as much as “Bring Back Buck”. But someone has to say it – Goff should “Bring Back Shane Jones”.

Is Jones Labour’s saviour in waiting?

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92 Responses to “Carter says Jones would be a better leader”

  1. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    The real gem in the NZ Herald article is where Shane Jones said “I fear that Chris Carter’s illness is worse than we expected.”

    David Cunliffe must be breathing a sigh of relief.

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  2. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    Goff won’t put Shane Jones in as leader because Labour’s ratings will go up and that will make him look bad.

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  3. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    That Shane Jones is under consideration as a possible Prime Minister shows how far this country has sunk in moral terms and in common sense. I advise anyone with brains to leave.

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  4. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    This is clearly a faction-dispute between Labour’s hard left, and Labour’s centre. Carter’s ousting is clearly a symbol of the far left’s inability to unite the entire party – thus causing tension.

    Goff should stick to his guns, now more than ever. It is crucial for Labour to push back the unions and take Labour back to its working-class origins.

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  5. big bruv (13,928 comments) says:

    I would have to say that something is in the wind….

    Watching silent “t” last night on TVNZ news it was impossible not to note the way he has changed his style a bit in the last few weeks, silent “t” is working hard at his delivery and public image, he is desperately trying to come across as a hard leader in the style of Klark.

    I suspect the BBQ will be fired up at his place over the next week or so.

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  6. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    He will have to lose that condescending tone if he wants to be PM. He was just awful when he was doing a weekly segment on ZB.

    I do like the fact hes not popular with the sisterhood and gays in the labour party.

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  7. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    BBQ at David Cunliffe’s ? That would be as uninviting as one of Judith Tizard’s Jazz & Fondue evenings.

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  8. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Jones can be relied upon to take a hands-on approach

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  9. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Put it away – lol

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  10. the bird is the word (67 comments) says:

    Put it away – Brilliant

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  11. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    Whale Oil believes we’re ready for a gay PM.

    America has a black president.

    And yet I just don’t think NZ is ready for a Maori PM. And Hone Harawira hasn’t helped.

    WE’re just not sophisticated enough to understand individuals are different.

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  12. Offshore_Kiwi (500 comments) says:

    It is an interesting situation when the best thing that can happen for the Party President is for the Party to lose the next election.

    It will also be interesting to see which faction wins the war that is so obviously being waged inside Liarbore at the moment. I almost hope and pray for the rainbow/hard left to win. That way, they can be assured of electoral oblivion in short order. On the other hand, New Zealand desperately needs an opposition, to force the current centre-left government to choose which way it will run – left or right. It has been sadly lacking for at least the past 2 years. On that basis, I think the Jones boy would be a far more worthy adversary for Neville Key than 4-hats Little.

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  13. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    It has been said that Jim Anderton, as Labour president was determined to keep Bill Rowling as labour leader in order for Bill to keep the seat warm for Jim. Sounds familiar?

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  14. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Noting big bruv’s comments above on Cunliffe, I think Carter referring to Jones may well be a diversion to keep attention away from Cunliffe while he finishes his preparations.

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  15. 2boyz (262 comments) says:

    Jones is a good man, he can be relied on to deliver the load (sorry goods) and will never stop until it’s been delivered fully!

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  16. lofty (1,316 comments) says:

    I agree with Redbaiter…if this man is the best that labour have to offer, God help us.

    He is a proven moral degenerate on my money.

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  17. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    He’s already raising his profile and briefing journalists about his comeback.

    A bit of playful language from Hooton?

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  18. Magnanomis (138 comments) says:

    Indeed – ‘Cometh the hour; cometh the man.’

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  19. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    Jones is an arrogant tosser, so to speak. And who would want to shake his hand?

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  20. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “He is a proven moral degenerate on my money.”

    Stands to reason he’s being promoted by a TV3 “journalist”.

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  21. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    Shane Jones is a self confessed red blooded male who is not afraid to call a spade a spade (and admits to double clicking for porn). I do not think Labour are ready for Shane Jones.

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  22. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    “Jones is an arrogant tosser,.. who would want to shake his hand?”

    There is no doubt Shane himself practises the shake on a regular basis. Preferable at night in hotel rooms while watching blue movies.

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  23. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    “I do not think Labour are ready for Shane Jones.”

    I don’t think Parliamentary TV is ready for Shane Jones!

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  24. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    That Shane Jones is under consideration as a possible Prime Minister shows how far this country has sunk in moral terms and in common sense. I advise anyone with brains to leave.

    Will you be taking your own advice?

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  25. BlairM (2,341 comments) says:

    With Carter back as Deputy? I guess every wanker needs a good right hand….

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  26. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    And as Blind Pew Carter slipped Long Jones Silver the mark of the black spot…. Cap’n Goff said oh for the love of god will you just piss off you cloth eyed twit!

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  27. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Indeed. It’s not just when he’s out on the streets campaigning that Shane is shaking hands with the unemployed

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  28. twigleaf (1 comment) says:

    If Carter really does not think that personal attributes do not matter in politics then the country is well rid of him.If Labour thinks that Jones up for the job as leader then the party is well and truly stuffed.

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  29. jaba (2,143 comments) says:

    Labour are worried .. Mallard is suggesting, Redablurt, that the Govt will go for an early election .. I sense he is trying a double bluff. By suggesting this, it will put pressure on Key to confirm or deny. Mallard knows that they are in total disarray and an early election will crush them

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  30. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    Whilst the majority of MPs are pompous prats and pratesses Shane Jones is one of the leading lights.

    He talks down in a lowered pompous voice and treats whitey like the peasants.

    Hes a triple dipper of very dubious ethics and morals and doesnt pass my test of even the lowest level as a leader.

    Still as far as I know hes not gay or lesbian and thats the only plus in his favour for me.

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  31. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    Poor, sad, deluded fools looking for a messiah.

    Labour’s poor polling is not because Goff is doing a bad job (which he is not). It is because National is popular. And while the Govt continues to do a good job nobody outside the “beltway”is interested in Labour.

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  32. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    I’m still struggling to find in any of those items (albeit that it’s possible only to read Gower’s in full) the answer to – why?

    There’s vague mentions of him being “like the brilliant rugby player that didn’t want to come to training”, and something about him being both for and against the Foreshore and Seabed Act. Aside from that…?

    I can’t help but think that is Shane Jones is being promoted as the answer, those doing the promoting aren’t even sure of the question.

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  33. James (1,338 comments) says:

    # Redbaiter (12,116) Says:
    October 15th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Redbaiter, is there any hope of dealing with gangs until the country adopts anti-drug laws more consistent with reality?”

    Like Singapore? I’m for it if you are.

    And yet you claim to believe in freedom Red…..sigh……

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  34. Megatron (190 comments) says:

    Shane Jones – What a wanker.

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  35. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    And yet I just don’t think NZ is ready for a Maori PM.

    Not meaning to pick on you, but god I hate statements like this! NZ being ready has nothing to do with it. The real question is do we have a Maori representative of Parliament who is worthy of holding the position of Prime Minister? Right now I would say a firm no – mind you I also hold that opinion for the vast majority or Pakeha/Pacific Island/Indian/Chinese/Men/Women currently infesting that eye sore of architectural terrorism!

    In my opinion the only MP in the last decade who happened to have Maori blood who I would consider worthy of being the PM was Tamihere – and it wasn’t because he was a Maori, anymore then it was because he had a meat and two veg.

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  36. 2boyz (262 comments) says:

    It’s just Carter shit stirring!

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  37. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “And yet you claim to believe in freedom Red…..sigh……”

    Excuse me. Has the Singaporean government dealt effectively with drug crime or not? That is the only issue here. I might even support your position on drugs but I will not do it on the basis that drug laws cannot be enforced. This is a patent misrepresentation as Singapore demonstrates.

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  38. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    You are free are you James? Well you’re 20 times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime here than in Singapore.

    Not really free from getting the crap beaten out of you by a drug crazed loon are you. Menawhile you’re free to raise your children in a manner the state decides against the wishes of 80% of its population.

    You believe if santa as well James?

    Freedom is relative, Singapore is safer.

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  39. double d (225 comments) says:

    so Red/Murray – the answer is more government and regulation … thats the way it works in Singapore!

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  40. Repton (769 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    That Shane Jones is under consideration as a possible Prime Minister shows how far this country has sunk in moral terms and in common sense. I advise anyone with brains to leave.

    Will you be taking your own advice?

    That’s why he’s still here :-)

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  41. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    so Red/Murray – the answer is more government and regulation … thats the way it works in Singapore!

    No, the answer is the right government and the right regulation.

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You want your drugs so badly run off and vote for Labour. Take Jimmy with you and see how you go there. Conservatives don’t need drugs and its not a priority item, and we don’t need single issue morons like you white anting our ambition to reduce the size of government and cut back on spending and borrowing. FYI there are a lot less laws on the books in Singapore than there are in the commie hole you have made of NZ while pretending to care about freedom. Take your support and your vote to Labour.

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  43. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Um Red, you really need to state who you are talking to, I recommend quoting the individual.

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  44. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    OK fair enough. I was talking to Double D- a pseudonym that I can only deduce is short for double dumbfuck.

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  45. double d (225 comments) says:

    jesus red chill out
    just because people challenge you doesnt mean they are labour/commies.
    you know nothing of me or my politics.
    based on a simple observation i made you have labelled me ….
    i dont do drugs either and never have!
    my point – Singapore is hardly the bastion of freedom and i agree NZ is heading in a very alarming direction
    enough of play the man please – personal insults not necessary

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  46. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “just because people challenge you doesnt mean they are labour/commies.”

    I don’t see any other point in your post other than to advocate for a position that has for along period weakened the ability of the right to fight back against the left. There are only two sides. I suggest you pick one and support it. From your comment, I’d suggest you should support Labour. White ants just have to be avoided. They’ve been doing their work for far too long. If you cannot believe in a massive reduction in spending and borrowing and size of government, and commit to that as a priority, then go vote for and support Labour.

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  47. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Or, alternatively, you could follow the National party’s advice, rather than some nutjob on a blog. I doubt that the National party would recommend you go vote for Labour, or that a failure to prescribe a “massive reduction in spending and borrowing” would automatically make you a lefty.

    As usual, Red has very little grasp of the democratic process, and the need to get support of roughly half the population so as to form a government.

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  48. Chuck Bird (4,895 comments) says:

    “It’s just Carter shit stirring!”

    Be careful that could incur demerit points.

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  49. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    As usual Red has little grasp on reality

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  50. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Opps….posted that on the wrong thread….

    If winning the war on drugs means having a violent police state like Singapore than no thanks….Nazi Germany was probably a safe place to walk the streets at night too….the problem was the biggest baddest criminals were running the state. now Singapore isn’t Nazi Germany….but its too authoritaian for normal people to want to live there.

    And Singapore still has problems with drugs…they just keep it quiet.

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  51. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Fine James. Go vote for and support Labour. Stop white anting the right with your one issue crap.

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  52. OctagonGrappler (84 comments) says:

    It seems the left all over the world are struggling with factional warfare. In regards to Jones he is damaged goods, Not only regarding his porn but remember his involvement with that dodgey chinese guy I think his name was Lui who he gave a personal citizenship ceramony to against advise from multiple governments and our own Immigration Dept.

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  53. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Fuck the “Rght”….if they don’t stand solidly for freedom and individual rights what use are they in combating the Left? Whats the difference?

    Conservatives, phhhutt! ….just socialists of the soul.

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  54. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    FFS, there are heaps in Labour who would be better Leaders than Goff: Jones, Chauvel, Cunliffe, Robertson (Grant, not Ross), Ardern to name them.

    But I’m happy if they stay with Phil, because that will leak votes to the Greens as the soft Lab/Nat voters become more disillusioned with Labour’s hopeless incompetence and more pissed off by National’s autocratic arrogance and look for answers other than Tweedledum and Tweedledummer.

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  55. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Conservatives, phhhutt! ….just socialists of the soul.”

    Good for you. Go off and vote Labour. If you’re not prepared to commit to massive reductions in government spending and borrowing and small government AS A PRIORITY then what good are you to Conservatives? We don’t need one issue loons splitting our forces. Here’s some news. We are not going to legalize drugs or allow homosexual marriage. Its just not an issue of great concern to us. Now piss off and lobby Labour.

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  56. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    If you’re not prepared to commit to massive reductions in government spending and borrowing and small government AS A PRIORITY then what good are you to Conservatives? We don’t need one issue loons splitting our forces.

    Are you unaware you have proposed one issue? Who is the “we” and “us”, you and who? It sounds as if you have a widely supported horde or party backing you.

    What you seem to really mean is that one day you hope someone else will go along with your one issue, to force what you want on the country that you hate.

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  57. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    You have something in common with Wris Farter petey gal. You both write total rubbish and continuously woffle meaningless garbage.

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  58. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Who invited you to the party d4j? Stereotyping men you disagree with as “effeminate” (ie poofters) is so 1950s. Grow yourself a cock and argue on the issue, rather than just put down the person presenting it with braindead ad hominem.

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  59. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    orewa1 6:25 pm,

    Hios irrational activity has rejuvenated the traditional prejudiced view of gays as bitchy, petulant and vindictive.

    Since when have sodomites been anything but “bitchy, petulant and vindictive” ?
    Carter is just being true to type.

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  60. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Red, I seem to remember frequent tirades from you about “we”. You and what army? Here’s a different idea. How about you piss off and leave alone those people who support the current direction of the National party, voted for them, and don’t want your religious conservative crap giving the right a bad name? Why are you trying to change the National party into something that is unelectable? Is there any truth to the rumour that you’re a leftist plant trying to give the right a bad name? If so, you’ve been keeping it up for an awful long time.

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  61. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You both write total rubbish and continuously woffle meaningless garbage.”

    Damn right Dad. Delusional disconnected incoherent rubbish.

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  62. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    “Who invited you to the party d4j?”

    Look here toady, you spineless green utopian creep. Keep well away from me you sick unit. I will rest until the parasitic good for nothing greens are totally obliterated from the political landscape. Wris is as about as sick as you. Both are useless as tits on a bull. Go have a shave hairy burtha.

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  63. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    PaulL 7:40 pm,

    I seem to remember frequent tirades from you about “we”. You and what army?

    There’s a storm coming, Paul – haven’t you heard?

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  64. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Kris K 7:39 pm

    Since when have sodomites been anything but “bitchy, petulant and vindictive” ?

    I don’t get bitchy, petulant and vindictive Kris.

    As long as you don’t stroke me the wrong way!

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  65. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “don’t want your religious conservative crap”

    Paul, I thought I told you not to bother me with your boring rubbish. Know why? You’re just like Pete George. Full of strawmen, misconception and false allegation. I hardly have enough time to deal with legit arguments let alone completely false ones.

    Read here, and read it three times so maybe eventually you’ll realise your mistake. Maybe.

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=2279#comment-6220

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  66. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    D4j, things are bleak when Reddy accuses you of “delusional disconnected incoherent rubbish”, but for a change he is has got it right. Are you the ddir twins?

    It’s an odd stance to take where you will support any dipstick as long as they pledeg themselves to your impossible political dream – impossible in any democracy.

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  67. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    “Grow yourself a cock and argue on the issue”

    Unlike the eunuchs of the green party and pete george I have an able working penis. Just ask child support if you don’t believe me toady you vile backdoor lurker.

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  68. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    I like Shane Jones. He would be great for Labour, and would hopefully knock out the gay/lesbians. They have caused so much damage already.

    But, he should not move until after the next election, which is basically nationals to lose.

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  69. centreforward (32 comments) says:

    The problem with Labour is that they lost touch with ordinary working men after Mike Moore was ousted as leader. Phil Goff, or failing that Shane Jones, are the best bet at the moment. Problem is they still stand for higher taxes, the nanny state and lack of individual responsibility. Oh and the anti-family stuff doesn’t help.

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  70. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    “National’s autocratic arrogance”

    Whereas Hulun was never like that toad?

    Is they why the Gweens never objected to her whatever she did? Prior to that I had thought the Gweens were pwincipled, but then I saw otherwise.

    And if the Gweens aren’t principled then what else do they have?

    Jones will currently suffer amongst women voters and that’s a critical market for any male politician and cannot be tolerated in a leader. Mind you, Silent-T will suffer against both women and men once he starts opening his mouth and so that really leaves Little, lurking in the wings, waiting and watching…

    The key question for Jones is whether he can get women over his “foible” and that remains to be seen.

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  71. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @d4j 7:42 pm

    I will rest until the parasitic good for nothing greens are totally obliterated from the political landscape.

    Long may you rest, d4j.

    Although, from the tone of your comments, the less you rest the more it helps the Greens. So please don’t rest too long.

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  72. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    I was going to edit what I meant to say, that I will not rest until the green party is destroyed but I knew you would pick up on the point because you got nothing better to do than hang around like an offensive green stinking odour.

    What is the greens claim to fame other than Nandors deplorable actions in the debating chamber. Nothing , the public have had  it with you parasitic hang on layabouts!

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  73. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    QED, d4j.

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  74. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    ‘The problem with Labour is that they lost touch with ordinary working men after Mike Moore was ousted as leader. Phil Goff, or failing that Shane Jones, are the best bet at the moment. Problem is they still stand for higher taxes, the nanny state and lack of individual responsibility. Oh and the anti-family stuff doesn’t help.’

    The Communist Manifesto

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  75. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    “watching the miners in Chile…………and one man that needs a lifeline is Shane Jones”. Piss off, they could never get the fat git in one of those tubes.

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  76. big bruv (13,928 comments) says:

    Toad

    Do you not think that old D4J doth protest just a little too much?

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  77. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    “The problem with Labour is that they lost touch with ordinary working men after Mike Moore was ousted as leader.”

    Yeah you’re right centreforward, they did. Maybe Phil should start wearing blue overalls and a hard hat round Parliament, that way he could incidentally also recapture a proportion of the wayward rainbow vote at the same time.

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  78. Kieran_B (76 comments) says:

    Redbaiter’s 5 step plan for NZ:

    1) JK implements all the hard right policies that Redbaiter champions. While most will be for the ultimate good of NZ (eg tax cuts rather than working for families), there is massive short term pain as the country adjusts.

    2) National destroys the electoral trust that took it so long to regain. Support plummets.

    3) Labour wins the next election in a canter, form a Govt with the Greens.

    4) NZ recovers from the pain, and long term gain begins. Labour takes the credit. Enjoys massive support while it uses the money from the buoyant economy to implement whatever policy takes it’s fancy.

    5) Labour/Greens repeatedly re-elected due to lasting good economy. Redbaiter enjoys the socialist paradise that him and his mates at the Standard have been yearning for.

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  79. Yvette (2,823 comments) says:

    Chris Carter has finally named an MP whom he says would be a better leader for Labour than Phil Goff – Shane Jones.
    Yes, but does anyone believe this is a straight answer?

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  80. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    No Yvette!!
    Carter is GAY!!

    Where have you been.

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  81. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    Kieran, if JK were to implement even one hard-right policy NZ would leap into revolution mode just like that. The Greens would start smearing themselves with molasses all over the place even in Parliament, TV One News would be doing 24/7 special updates upon the ramifications to the poor and down-trodden with Brian Edwards as special “crisis” commenter, it would be very amusing.

    We conservatives would of course chortle at the masses as we sipped our port and smoked our specially imported expensive cigars as we laughed at the distress of the poor people so we’re OK, whatever happens.

    The problem is, were the Douglas policies of the 80’s really the anathaema the left portray and seem to in fact believe they were? If so, how come the left never reversed critical Rogernomics infrastructural dynamics like the RBA? It’s almost as if lefties secretly agree this is the best way forward and indeed they proved this by their actions, but for the sake of branding, proclaim otherwise.

    Sad for the country isn’t it that the whole project has been dead in the water for so long, for apparently ideological reasons. Sad, given that, Australia has had continuous reform from 1984-2007 and look where they are. Sad that we could have been there, were it not for the selfish lefties, who say one thing, and act in another way when in power.

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  82. Doug (410 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard calling for an early Election is a novel way ridding Labour of Phil Goff as leader, and focus on building Labour for the future.

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  83. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    On his radio interview with Willi & JT, Carter did mention how the 17 ‘rebel’ Labour member included teachers.

    (I know it is taking a liberty with the term to use it in reference to Mallard, but he did at least think he was one once)

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  84. Kieran_B (76 comments) says:

    Mallard taught my Mum when she was at high school, and she reckons he was a fucking rubbish teacher.

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  85. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how close Mallard is to Cunliffe? Could he be trying to get his hands on the deputy leadership position?

    The Conference should vote unanimously in favour of a Cunliffe/Mallard ticket! The National and ACT parties would.

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  86. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (1,016) Says:
    October 15th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    “Whale Oil believes we’re ready for a gay PM.”

    Too late mate we had one for nine long miserable years…………….Never again!!

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  87. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Red, I thought I told you I’m not interested in what you think. I have no interest in reading your link.

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  88. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    They should bring back John Tamahere, he got the boot from Labour for telling the truth.

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  89. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    Watching the MSM recently they are getting closer to Labour slowly like cancerous socialism – it keeps creeping until it manifests itself suddenly – probably about 9 months before the election.

    Little does not want a change of leader before he is in parliament, and he will ensure it whatever others may think or scheme. Goofy is safe for the next 12 months so shut down the barby.

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  90. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Paulus,

    I agree Little doesn’t want to make a move now, but Cunliffe does. If Cunliffe doesn’t get the job before the next election he risks being sidelined by the UNITEd Little council of unions.

    His barbie will be being stoked up right about now and I suspect he will have an ex-ineffectual teacher (as well as also an ineffective parliamentarian) around for dinner. Who the other 15 are will start to become more obvious as the game plays out

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  91. david@tokyo (263 comments) says:

    Shane Jones would be great, he’d be our first openly “pro-whaling” PM since New Zealanders decided to forgoe making profits from whaling themselves. It’s 2010, I reckon NZ is ready for it.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0506/S00483.htm

    Ironically Carter however was the most rabid anti-whaler in the Labour party and yet even he is endorsing Jones.

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