Dalziel v Gilmore

October 8th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

At 1 am yesterday, Lianne Dalziel blogged a pretty direct attack on her opponent :

This was why I thought I would look at Aaron’s cv and play with the internet – just to see if the story I had been told was worth investigating further:

  • Senior Associate, Australasian Financial Services Association – No such organisation that I could find
  • Member, Chartered Financial Analyst Institute   – Website does not show him as a current member
  • Member, Associate Chartered Accounting College   – No such organisation that I could find

These anomolies need to be addressed.  The following two are not really examples of inaccuracies in his cv but they gild the lily so to speak.  He says on his cv under qualifications: Postgraduate Diploma (Accounting), Massey University (75% complete) – I don’t know about you, but I don’t think you can include something under the definition of a qualification if it is not completed – but I suppose it proves he is an optimist – “75% done” sounds better than “25% shy of the qualification”.   And under Awards he has included Finalist, 2007 South Island NZIM Young Executive of the Year – there were 7 finalists that year – only one woman, and she was the one who won the award.  But good on him for getting that far.

A commenter responded on the issue of a 75% done degree being on a CV:

Hi Lianne

I saw that Darien Fenton was seeking nomination for the Te Atatu seat and since I don’t know much about her looked at her CV on the parliamentary website.

I noticed that she had a BA from Victoria (incomplete). I immediately thought of you and hopes that the information helps for this latest crusade of yours to bring greater honesty to MP CVs.

Heh.

The Herald has picked up on the story and reports:

National list MP Aaron Gilmore has claimed a high-level finance industry qualification he does not have in a CV published on Parliament’s website.

The Chartered Financial Analyst Institute yesterday told the Herald Mr Gilmore was not a member, although he listed membership as part of his list of educational and professional qualifications on his parliamentary web page. …

A spokeswoman for the international Chartered Financial Analyst Institute said yesterday Mr Gilmore was neither a member of the institute nor of the CFA Society in New Zealand. He was a CFA programme candidate, meaning he is registered as studying towards the CFA qualification which would give him membership.

So he is studying towards a qualification which would give him membership. Now if the Herald is correct, this is an exaggeration, which is not a good look for an MPs – and could even be an offence. Yes many people exaggerate somewhat on their CVs, but if you are in public ife I think it is a wise idea to be very conservative with what you put on your CV.

Because after all, if one day you are exaggerating on your CV, then the next day you may end being a Minister who lies blatantly to the media and gets sacked by the Prime Minister for it.

For those interested, the CV is here.

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26 Responses to “Dalziel v Gilmore”

  1. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Could we have a copy of Liannes CV posted please.

    I’m sure a few of us would like to ” play with the internet – just to see if the story we have had been told is worth investigating further:”

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  2. david (2,557 comments) says:

    “Member, Associate Chartered Accounting College – No such organisation that I could find”

    Ignoramus

    The Associate Chartered Accountants College is a sub-group of NZICA (NZ Institute of Chartered Accountants.) and represents a certain level of qualification. It is often chosen by those who do not paractice and therefore don’t need to comply with the quite onerous Continuing Education requirements of the CA. Other groups Include Accounting Technician.

    Talk about spraying shit around, this woman is certifiable

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  3. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    What a great thing to live in a democracy. With the power of the internet the BS of politicians get exposed even quicker than before.

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  4. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    >Senior Associate, Australasian Financial Services Association – No such organisation that I could find

    Probably the Financial Services Institute of Australasia http://www.finsia.com/ . Gilmore has changed an Institute in to an Association. I’m shocked! John Key must take action straight away and sack him.

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  5. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Murray asks:

    Could we have a copy of Liannes CV posted please

    Yes please. Nowadays it’s increasingly common to distill down a short list of your achievements. I’d like to see hers. Aside from the business you mentioned DPF, I’d like to see if it includes “gutlessly hanging the Chief Justice out to dry” when she was attacked for her remarks on sentencing.

    Or perhaps it’d be like Bob Jones’ book on the achievements of the then government… every page was blank.

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  6. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    And another moron doesn’t know what “gild the lily” means.

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  7. Kimble (4,439 comments) says:

    Dont play with the internet. You will go blind.

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  8. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Was she pissed when she posted? Or possed when she pisted? After all, she does have form. Oh, sorry about that, wrong one. That was Dyson.

    She seems to have the Clown From Campells Bay’s proclivity for early morning keyboard antics.

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  9. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    I would vote for a pig before I voted for that shrieking harridan Dalziel. Every time I hear her speak I think of the Banshee from old D&D. Fail your saving throw and her voice kills you.

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  10. pedrogarcia (52 comments) says:

    And every time I see Aaron Gilmore I think of the killer from Halloween. Creepy.

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  11. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    its also pretty telling about the way she thinks that she mentions that of the 7 finalists there was only one woman and the woman won.

    if she is grilling him becuase she does not beleive being a finalist is worth listing, who cares who won, who the other finalists were and their gender?

    Or is she saying that becuase a woman won its clearly worthless so why bother mentioning it on the CV?

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  12. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    What I love most about Kiwiblog is that peoples sense of what is right and wrong is 100% dependent on side of the political spectrum they are from.

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  13. Nookin (3,343 comments) says:

    Hope her horse isn’t too high. Why did she cease to be a cabinet minister?

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  14. pedrogarcia (52 comments) says:

    How is Aaron different from Maryanne Thompson? Both guilty of the same thing. Will he be treated differently? Probably.

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  15. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    yesweidiot.

    you are correct. if is a lefty who has done wrong then you and your ilk are nothing to see here move along, but if a righty should be rumoured to be maybe doing something similar but not actually do it, they should be fired.

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  16. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Were both of them positively vetted, and working under a Labour Government for the taxpayer?

    I am not sure we are comparing diseased NZ apples with perfect Australian apples here.

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  17. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    YesWeDid,

    Pot-Kettle-Black

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  18. berend (1,709 comments) says:

    DPF, the great spin doctor wrote: So he is studying towards a qualification which would give him membership. Now if the Herald is correct, this is an exaggeration, which is not a good look for an MPs

    An exaggeration? Bold lie!!

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  19. Inky_the_Red (759 comments) says:

    I wondered why Gilmore was so boring. I thought he was a rea estate agent but an accountant explains it

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  20. jag (52 comments) says:

    I’d love to defend the guy but to be honest that misrepresentation with regards to CFA is gonna bite him big time.

    CFA take no prisoners with misrepresentation of membership – super, ridiculously anal when it comes to enforcing their standards and protecting the sanctity of their designation.

    I think Aaron can (and probably will) expect a call from CFAI in the next week.
    Unceremoniously dumped as a candidate and records wiped would be my bet

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  21. Swampy (191 comments) says:

    If you want some innuendo on Dalziel, the local branch of the National Party has recorded that in the last two elections she failed to comply with the legal requirement to remove all advertising signage at her electoral office on election day.

    It must be a calculated move that she will only get a slap with a wet bus ticket from the electoral office.

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  22. kyotolaw (52 comments) says:

    I didn’t know that the CFAI had a searchable directory of members, but looked on the website, and hey, there I am.

    It really depends on what Gilmore represented himself as, but possibly in his defence, when I was a candidate for the CFA, I think I was automatically an affiliate member of the society.

    jag is right though – they come down hard if you misrepresent yourself, especially if you are a candidate who is passing himself off as having passed the exams.

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  23. Maggie (672 comments) says:

    So an MP has been caught out lying on his CV. But, wait, he’s one of ours!

    Attack Lianne Dalziel! Attack Helen Clark! Put the boot into Mickey Savage! Attack anyone!

    Whatever you do, don’t address the real issue. Red Herrings are needed here………

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  24. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Maggie,

    You forgot Darien Fenton. Or did she not cover real issues in here (incomplete) degree?

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  25. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    I would like some transparency from Ms Dalziel, if nothing else to show me that the same rules apply to her as to others.

    1. What her is connection to the Peter Ellis/Christchurch Civic Creche case?
    2. Is she convinced Ellis is guilty? If so, why?
    3. What has she said to Phil Goff about the case?
    4. What role, if any, did she have in Cabinet’s decision not to hold a Commission of Inquiry into the case while Goff was Justice Minister?
    5. Which members of Cabinet know of her connection to the Ellis case?
    6. What exactly has she told them?
    7. Has she ever complained to TVNZ or the BSA about coverage of the Ellis case? If so, why?
    8. Would she like to a see a Commission of Inquiry into the Ellis case? If not, why not?

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  26. John Ansell (874 comments) says:

    I note that the words Lianne, Dalziell and Gilmore all contain the word lie :-)

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