General Debate 22 October 2010

October 22nd, 2010 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
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190 Responses to “General Debate 22 October 2010”

  1. Yvette (2,767 comments) says:

    1st

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  2. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    Is it normal procedure for Labour MP’s to give advice to Mongrel Mob members?

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  3. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Well Ian mune must have loved his patsy ride on TVNZ this morning.

    As full of shit as Helen Kelly and the rest of them. I don’t think sir Peter is going to look kindly on being called chicken little and I don’t think the majority of the NZ public are as stupid as mune clearly thinks they are.

    Don’t look for a repeat of his role on LOTR.

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  4. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Where was the new Wellington mayor yesterday, wading into the debate wanting the movie to be made in Wellington with all the concomitant positive effects for “her ” city.?

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  5. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    I would think that Sir Peter knows far more about the Hollywood film industry than Ian Mune does.

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  6. Brian Smaller (4,007 comments) says:

    Who did Ian Mune play in LotR?

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  7. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    So why does the tax payer fork out millions to subsidise an apparently unhinged and self destructive bunch of…. art-e-sts?

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  8. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Ian Mune played Bounder. Blink and you’d miss it.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/workplace/news/article.cfm?c_id=74&objectid=10677637

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  9. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    A saggy faced hobbit of grumpy disposition.

    Not really a lot of acting needed on that one.

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  10. KiwiGreg (3,234 comments) says:

    @ Lance terminate NZ on Air and all the other taxpayer troughs and let these fuckers live in the market like the rest of us.

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  11. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Oh FFS:

    “New Zealand’s largest education union says te reo Maori should be compulsory in all schools to ensure it’s kept alive.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682227

    That won’t work – you’ll need to ban English as well. That’ll do the trick. Probably need re-education camps to get it done quickly.

    ..the New Zealand Educational Institute said it was everyone’s responsibility to ensure the language survived.

    Why is it my responsibility?

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  12. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Its an irelevant stone aged language of questionable value and limited future.

    Gaelic is the culteral herritage of many more people in NZ than Maori. Make that compulsory.

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  13. hj (6,871 comments) says:

    David Round (cant. University law Lecturer looks at “free beach access”:
    If one statute replaces another and something is left out (iwi cannot charge for beach access) it is assumed it was meant to be left out. The Coastal Coalitition appear to have bean right; there are holds and crevices in the bill to allow a scaling of the wall.

    It shows who is honest and who isn’t (John Key Meteria Turie).
    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2010/10/david-round-truth-about-free-beach.html

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  14. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Make that compulsory.

    Let’s make ALL languages compulsory in Kindie and Primary School. We’ll save ‘em all!

    (but we’d probably need to pick a main one, you know, so everyone could speak the same language, so-to-speak. But which one… who votes for Muskogean? We could make that one more compulsory than the rest. Not more important – that would be wrong. Just more compulsory)

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  15. davidp (3,578 comments) says:

    What is Phil Goff’s position on the Hobbit? Does he support the workers and the NZ economy, or the Australian union? At the Labour Party conference we were told that Goff wouldn’t just stand around when something important needed to be said, but he seems to be missing in action. As are the rest of the Labour Party caucus (‘cept for Mallard, whose contribution is that the issue is complicated). And as are the Greens, and it is their spokesperson who is trying to bring the NZ film industry to its knees for reasons no one can figure out.

    But, hang on, didn’t Malcolm want NZ to reduce its carbon emissions by 40%? Maybe this is part of the Green’s plan?

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  16. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    If ever the Nats. had the chance to change the course of New Zealand its right now.
    Ac

    Broken down drunks called actors and over egoed celeb(NZ samll time) women are the new intelligensie.
    Remove our tax payer funding from all their jobs, and let them join the rest of us earning a living by honest endeavour.

    Remove recognition of that pernicioushaven of communists aka as the CTU and remove unions rights to bully, just like they remove our rights to employment.

    Hurry up Key. Stop appeasing these bastards. And while you are at it reinstate youth rates so we can employ NZer’s again.
    That’s your responsibility as Prime Minister.
    NZer’s first as individuals. You seem to have forgotten that in no time at all.

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  17. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    @malcolm

    Another piece of patent drivel forced down our throats. We must all learn Maori… why?
    NZ spends countless millions on this non-sense so the mongrel mob won’t fell alienated and will spontaneously quit their destructive ways and little johnny will be able to rock up to a top flite firm in New York and say ” I am your man- look I have quals in Maori”.

    But that’s o.k. as NZ has money to burn.

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  18. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Maybe they’re just a bunch of self impressed assholes with an agenda david.

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  19. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    If we could find a way of burning bullshit our energy problems would be over Lance.

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  20. hj (6,871 comments) says:

    Immigration Ponzi Scheme:
    “Analyst Owen McShane quoted a 1960s report, on the relationship between house construction and employment, that concluded that every 1000 houses would generate a total of 40,000 contracts and jobs over 15 to 20 years. (3) He showed that reducing the residential construction rate from 26,000 a year to a no more than 16,000 a year, and probably much fewer, is cutting 400,000 contracts and jobs over 15 to 20 years. Is this the legacy that the Key-led government wants to leave?

    Where does immigration fit into the Key government’s grand scheme? Net migration went from minus 6760 in 2001 to plus 34,580 in 2002, and up to plus 42,090 in 2003, the beginning of the boom. Since more people require more dwellings, the residential property sector keeps a close eye on net migration. Whether the Clark-Cullen government deliberately allowed the influx to pump up the economy or whether it was an administrative cock-up has never been discussed. There are quality migrants around the world who would give anything to be able to live in New Zealand. By world standards, New Zealand is thinly populated. Would it not be worthwhile to investigate a managed increase in immigration?
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1009/S00153/deliberate-misinformation-campaign-harms-public.htm

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  21. hj (6,871 comments) says:

    Should be
    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2010/10/mike-butler-english-banks-and-property.htmlspeaking-truth.html

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  22. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    Keith Locke on Frog Blog supports the Actors Union. Fortunately many of his supporters are giving him a hard time.
    After all, film making earns huge amounts of overseas funds with minimal environmental impact.

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  23. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    ‘Keith Locke on Frog Blog supports the Actors Union.’

    He also supported the Soviet Union and Pol Pot of Cambodia.

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  24. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    So he doesn’t supporter the workers from WETA then.

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  25. Brian Smaller (4,007 comments) says:

    ‘Keith Locke on Frog Blog supports the Actors Union.’

    He also supported the Soviet Union and Pol Pot of Cambodia.

    He is not batting too well then..

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  26. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Keith Locke is the natural byroduct of releasing the mentally ill into the community.

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  27. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Is it normal procedure for Labour MP’s to give advice to Mongrel Mob members?”

    Probably. Which MP was it? Are they “patched”? maybe prospecting?

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  28. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Labour MP’s are patched or prospecting? I’m not surprised to be honest.

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  29. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    Meanwhile a judge resigns and gets 900k because further action might uncover something even more unpalatable??

    “I believe this is the best outcome under the circumstances. It resolves an unprecedented situation in New Zealand’s legal history,” Ms Collins said.

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  30. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Owen

    I did try and read that thread over at Frogblog, however I only got as far as the fifth comment before I was confronted with a sight that made me ill.

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  31. kowtow (8,211 comments) says:

    Maori should be compulsory. That way Maori Labour MPs giving advice to Maori Mongrel Mob mols in a dispute with the foreign Crown can consult each other without the rest of the country knowing whats going on.

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  32. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    heh big bruv…the same happened to me.. God I feel sick!

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  33. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Read these comments from this dumbarsed local government official that is yet to realise that his parasitical existence has caused the host to die. This is Washington, but its coming to NZ.

    ———————————-

    “We give people appropriate notice, but if they ignore us, we’ll just drive out to their house and remove their car from their driveway. That’s an attention getter,” said Arlington County Treasurer Frank O’Leary.

    O’Leary said he has used such tactics in the past, but lately has encountered a startling new phenomenon. “This year I sent my people out to collect some vehicles, and they came back and said the properties had been abandoned,” O’Leary said. “That had never occurred in Arlington in all the years I’d been treasurer, and it was really sobering to hear that.”

    ———————————–

    These jack boot wearing overpaid and unnecessary local government officials need to come to terms with reality. There’s no damn money any more to support leeches. Key and English can borrow all they like to maintain the illusion that there is. All they’re really doing is ensuring when reality does hit home, its going to be a lot harder than it ever needed to be.

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Cash-strapped-governments-ramping-up-tax-collection-efforts-1277126-105384353.html#ixzz131tYFMKQ

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  34. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Interesting to note the different reaction in the US when someone is fired for politically incorrect speech.

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/

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  35. jackp (668 comments) says:

    California is having a problem too. They let go 40 percent of their teachers. I met one here and she told me all about it. Looks like the bureacracy is going to be hit (i hope) everywhere since the financial meltdown.

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  36. Inventory2 (10,270 comments) says:

    Has anyone else noticed that Breakfast has taken a significant step to the left since Paul Henry resigned?

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  37. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    No, IV2 can’t say I have. But then, I stopped watching after Hosking was shunted.
    Voted with my cheque book as it were.
    Onlylanguage they understand once the money runs out.

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  38. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Has anyone else noticed that Breakfast has taken a significant step to the left since Paul Henry resigned?”

    Just cowards.

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  39. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Ain’t the lunatic left total fucktards, no friends in loony land. Poor old Juan Williams got the big A because he said he felt nervous when towel heads got on the plane. Fuck clad I’m not a lefty, would have been shown the door years ago.

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  40. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bob, good video on this on Crusader Rabbit.

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  41. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    Flew back from Melbourne a few months ago and there were 2 suitably attired muslims on the plane.

    I did feel uncomfortable….fact!

    Juan Williams merely expressed what a lot of us feel.

    Bit like Paul Henry really.

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  42. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Good ole fox news. They have signed Juan Williams to an extended airtime, multi year deal!

    Some trashy white leftist fires the black guy for being a biggot ffs.

    Giving a press conference the lefty said something about “he can talk to his physiatrist or publicist”. They just cant help themselves. She was a weird/ugly looking thing too.

    In terms of what Juan said, he’s 100% right! I fly often and if there is a muslim on board, i keep an eye on em. I back myself against a muslim with a box cutter too

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  43. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Great link to how to destroy America

    One key was take away education and develop an uneducated subculture. Exactly the track National is going.

    http://objllc.com/howtodestroyamerica.htm

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  44. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    I caught the tail end of helen keller on radio live, around 1220pm. bagging employers or some such.

    I heard her say she wants to talk to employers about giving people time off to work as a volunteer at the RWC. what the hell??? why should an employer cop that?

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  45. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    “dime (2,398) Says:

    October 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    I caught the tail end of helen keller on radio live, around 1220pm. bagging employers or some such.
    I heard her say she wants to talk to employers about giving people time off to work as a volunteer at the RWC. what the hell??? why should an employer cop that?”

    No – what she said was that they would like to work with employers so that employees could take annual leave to volunteer and maybe the employer could add in some time as well.
    It was in response to the EMA raising the issue of posible union action around the time of the RWC – in the words of David Lowe from the EMA “Hobbiting the RWC”
    Quite why he chose to make his statement today, yeah really helpful.

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  46. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Good video from CR Red, I bet Mr Hooper isn’t having a good day. I see even parts of the left are putting the boot into these far left lunatics. Maybe the tide is starting to turn. Good to see FOX supporting Juan, another own goal from the loons. CR is right on about our own blobs of jelly pretending to be leaders, fuck it’s sickening the weak kneed attitude coming out of Wellington.

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  47. Mr Magister (409 comments) says:

    I haven’t seen Redbaiter apoplectic with rage for a while, but I’ll try my best…

    Here is a frightening demonstration of the left’s brainwishing of our kids:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/132831/sustainability-and-pupils-stars-film

    And just look at those beardy weirdies sitting in the middle row!

    Edit to add: And that’s just the women ;-)

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  48. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “and maybe the employer could add in some time as well.”

    so thats union speak for “we will demand the employer”

    Heres the press release from the EMA:

    The events of the past few days carry lessons we need to learn from before next year’s Rugby World Cup, says David Lowe, Employment Manager for the Employers & Manufacturers Association.

    Mr Lowe will address a business event this morning on preparing for the RWC* with a warning that if the union action on the Hobbit is replicated next year we could see our reputation for welcoming hospitality wrecked.

    “It would be reassuring if the Council of Trade Unions would confirm now that it will not Hobbit the Rugby World Cup,” Mr Lowe said.

    “Cool heads are needed to ensure we will work together next year to put the interests of New Zealand Inc. first.

    “Some unions have already indicated they are lining up the RWC for industrial action.

    “Many unions are reputable organisations with an important role to play, but the RWC represents a bigger picture than either businesses or employees on their own.

    “People of all types of skill will be required in droves for activities around the Cup with benefits all round, and this is no time to be pursuing agendas.

    “The RWC has the scope to bring us together, while delivering valuable extra jobs, and some respite from today’s trying times.”

    perfect timing IMHO. He’s probably on the money too.

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  49. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    heh

    CARSON CITY, NV—In an effort to promote diversity within their political base, national Tea Party leaders gathered today in Nevada’s capital to announce their intention to embrace more coloreds in the lead-up to the 2010 midterm elections. “We’re bringing new voices and perspectives into the movement every day, and the addition of some more coloreds is only the beginning,” Tea Party spokesman Michael Kealey told reporters, adding that he was “excited to welcome Negroes into the fold.” “The time has come for everyone, Orientals even, to take America back.” Kealey went on to say that the inclusion of homos in the movement would be “out of the question,” unless they were the normal kind.

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  50. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    “Dime – perfect timing IMHO. He’s probably on the money too.”

    Yeah, well why look for problems before they even exist. Invariably that’s the attitude that creates them.

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  51. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Yeah right Dime. Good of you to expose what side your on. There’s only two sides dumbfuck. Its (Side 1) the Tea Party and Conservatives against (Side 2) Obama and the liberals in the Democrats and the Republicans. The Tea Party has long ago endorsed 37 black candidates for government. You keep up your smears and sneers. They label you as an uninformed coward and that also means you’ve definitely picked the most suited side. Just make sure you stick with it loser.

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  52. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “see even parts of the left are putting the boot into these far left lunatics.”

    Yeah, they had to of course after FOX led the way.

    CR is the best blog Bob.

    We tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant.

    No politically correct bullshit on Crusader Rabbit.

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  53. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – it was an article from… The Onion. Lighten up man.

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  54. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I know where it was from. What the fuck difference does that make? You think its funny. I don’t. Just pick your side and stick with it fool. That’s my advice to you.

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  55. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Its mainly funny cause its redbaiter bait…. and id ask you to refrain from calling me a fool. its friday. smile.

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  56. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    It was a Mister T impression. Don’tcha just love it when a plan comes together, dime?

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  57. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Hey Dime, go easy on the stupid old incontinent fool Redbaiter, he must be having a bad week.

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  58. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Anyway….

    Do you ever watch a TV advert fronted by the owner of the company and think “why the hell is he doing this?” or “man, you are the wrong person to be fronting this advert”

    I would like to nominate the chap from Window Treatments as one person who really should get somebody else to front his adverts.

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  59. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    lmao yea i cant stand the cocksmoker from winow treatments either. ya just know he rates himself too

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Hey Dime, go easy on the stupid old incontinent fool Redbaiter, he must be having a bad week.”

    Yeah know all that Bruv you pathetic unfunny moron. You don’t like ideas that oppose your own paper thin perspectives, but rather than counter argument, have nothing but lies sneers and smears for anyone who does oppose them.

    You call yourself right wing but you ain’t ever gonna have the ticker to be anything but a liberal arselicker boyo. You’ll die a lefty with one hand sticking out of your grave so you can keep giving John Stewart regular hand jobs.

    “Do you ever watch a TV advert”

    FFS.. what a clueless hanky using moron..

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  61. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    You also call yourself a right winger, however the reality (not a state of mind you are familiar with these days I suspect) is that you are nothing more than an internet bully with narcissistic tendencies.
    You have been conned into supporting the bible bashing tea party, the very same people who believe that the world should be run according to the “good book”, you have swallowed their bullshit hook, line and sinker.

    The fact that you accuse me and others of being left wing does not worry me one jot, you are nothing more than a sad, angry old man who is a can short of a six pack.

    Normally I would not bother with you but your gutless attack this week on a man who fought for this country (which is a fuck more than a parasite like you have ever done) was taking things a bit far.

    There you go Redbaiter, I await your next post full of the usual abuse and same old boring name calling, I know you will post something as you are unable to let anybody else have the last word…..must be the narcissism kicking in I guess.

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  62. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Oh boo hoo hoo poor ickle Big Bruv, been upset by nasty nasty Wedbaiter again.

    You pathetic small minded coward. You think I give half a fuck what a moron like you thinks about me? Fuck off and stop boring me you pathetic dick. Have a conversation with an eggplant. You might learn something new.

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  63. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    See…you cannot help yourself can you Redbaiter.

    Being a narcissist and incontinent must be right bummer…(oops, I did not mean bummer in a gay sex way, I know how much you tea party fools think that gay people are the son of the devil)

    Go on Redbaiter….bang out another reply, have the last word again.

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  64. hj (6,871 comments) says:

    [CENSORED from Green Party Blog]
    The day the raids came
    Published: October 18, 2010
    by Catherine Delahunty
    “On Friday night (October 15) I attended the launch of a book titled “The day the raids came” edited by Valerie Morse. This book reminds us that the October 15 2007 “terror raids” might be old news for most of the country but are an ongoing stress and cost for the 18 people still awaiting trial who were arrested and charged by under a police initiative called “Operation 8”.

    The book includes the voices of 15 people who were seriously impacted by the raids at Ruatoki and elsewhere throughout Aotearoa. All of these people are clear that not only were the terrorism charges ridiculous but that the ongoing cases are all about police trying to save face. They raise the questions about the real agenda of the Government of the day in targeting Tuhoe and a range of activists who did not have a conspiracy to wreak major violence against the state; some of them did not know each other and some were whanau. ”
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=14770

    Tankard, is also a Green Party activist and often posts on Green Forum under the name Katie.

    She posted this on Green Forum, the day after the October 15th anti terror raids.

    Location: Aro Valley, Wellington

    Activist arrests in Wellington Posted: 16 Oct 2007 21:36

    In the interests of supporting those who have been arrested, discussions were held last night at 128 Able Smith St.

    I am re-posting a statement verbatim from Indymedia Collective, as a response to those who are concerned or confused about what is being said in media and local gossip.

    Quote:

    This morning I opened the herald to see what the bullshit the media were spinning about the raids and saw a comment allegedly from a flatmate of one of the activists arrested yesterday in Auckland.

    I thought it would be obvious not to comment to the media but apparently not.

    I guess I just want to remind people not to talk amongst themselves and speculate and especially do not talk to the media. They are not your friends and they will use you to get the inside scoop.

    This was obvious in another article I got forwarded this morning from Bomber’s blog. He was sniffing around last night at Unite and had cornered some less experienced activists and was asking them what was going on…

    As someone quite rightly put it last night….’if not one talks, everyone walks’.

    It is not gossip it is fucken serious and some of our comrades are facing a long time behind bars, it would be good if people could remember that.

    Now is an important time to remember AND PRACTISE those good old rules about security culture and solidarity!

    The media are easy to ignore however the filth is a different story and it is likely that they will want to ‘talk’ to some people. If you are concerned about this and don’t know what your rights are etc… please seek the advise of an experienced activist who you TRUST. Maybe we need to have a workshop around this sometime in the next few days so that everyone is confident.

    Love and solidarity!

    Please respect the very serious position that the arrests have put some of our very dear friends in.
    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2007/12/evidence-of-green-partyanarchist.html

    What the bugs revealed
    http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
    The Dominion Post | Wednesday, 14 November 2007

    Suspect tells another it would be good to kill Pakeha to get trainees used to killing. Also suggests making their own tracer ammunition and using tungsten projectiles to go through a “cop vest” and through “his f…… mate”.
    Bug in vehicle, recorded April 6, 2007.

    “Get someone to assassinate the prime minister, the new one, next year’s one. Just been in office five days, bang … Yeah. John Key … just drop a bomb … Just wait till he visits somewhere and just blow them … They won’t even find you.”
    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

    “They want to start blowing shit up. You know, they want to blow up power plants, gas plants, Telecom, petrol f…… places and shit like that.”
    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, June 23, 2007.

    “You know like the IRA in England … it’s gonna happen here … I’m ready to die, mate. I’m gonna hurt this country, I’ve had a gutsful … I wanna leave this planet making sure that I’ve done a f…… huge amount of harm to this country.”
    Suspect recorded on bugged phone, May 26, 2006.

    “It’d have to be a, some sort of f……, sudden f……, because what it’ll do, it’ll come down on the thinking of the people, they’ll think it’s al Qaeda … It’s gotta be sudden and it’s gotta be brutal.”
    Other suspect says: “Don’t piss around with cities or doing the bush thing … just go to Parliament.”
    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

    “I heard you talking about the napalm shit.”
    Response from unknown man: “I’ll make some and bring some next time round, show everyone how to make it.”
    Conversation in bugged vehicle, September 16, 2007.

    “No, I’m teaming up with the Maoris, we have to … I’ll come and see ya, I can’t f…… take the white man on without the c…s … I’m declaring war on this country.”
    Bugged cellphone, May 22, 2007.

    “Tuhoe wouldn’t have popular support for a bombing campaign in New Zealand.”
    Reply: “It would in Tuhoe though … What about if we did a bombing campaign that blew up Waihopai spy base, power dams, gas facilities, TV stations and radios … It’s a strategy that’s gonna be f…… urban warfare. We are training in the wrong place.”
    First speaker: “What’s going to be the strategy?”
    Reply: “Strategy will divide, will divide Aotearoa … extreme violence and extreme f…… actions too.”
    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, June 23, 2007.

    “I cut down all of my work, right down. Ah, I’m only focusing to go to war.”
    Bugged suspect, April 26, 2007.

    “There’s nothing in this country can stop you once you got it, you can kill anybody you want. They’ll never be able to find you.”
    Suspect talking in bugged vehicle about asking for sniper’s rifle, August 16, 2007.

    “Wait till bullets start going through people, that’s f…… horrible … Wait till your mate’s head gets blown off because someone dobbed us in and we get f…… shot at.”
    Suspect in bugged sleeping room, June 23, 2007.

    “There’s about 10 manuals … There’s the al Qaeda manual and that’s f…… good. That’s right up to date.”
    Later another suspect says: “That last exercise was a bit freaky for me, having a gun in my back.”
    Response: “High level of secrecy, we needed, you know, we need to test people.”
    Bugged training camp room, June 23, 2007.

    Suspect X tells Suspect Y he is tired of playing games. Suspect Y says they need good planning so they don’t die on the first day. Both worry about the enemy within their ranks and talk about needing 20 small squads, such as in Iraq, carrying out their own missions.
    Bugged vehicle, April 4, 2007.
    http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu
    http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
    ETC ETC

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  65. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Further to the Juan Williams sacking for stating on air that he was fearful when he saw Muslims on board aircraft, we of course have our own case of a Muslim in New Zealand who hijacked a plane and knifed both of the pilots and a female passenger back in 2008:

    Plane hijacker’s troubled history

    Two pilots have been praised for a “miraculous” landing after being injured in an alleged hijacking by a crazed, knife-wielding woman.

    The pilot and co-pilot both suffered knife wounds, apparently in confrontations with a 33-year-old Blenheim woman of Somali descent, but managed to bring the Beechcraft 19-seater down at Christchurch Airport.

    One of the pilots had surgery on his cut hand in Christchurch Hospital.

    A female passenger suffered minor injuries during the Eagle Air flight from Blenheim yesterday while trying to restrain the woman.

    After it landed, six passengers were taken to safety while the woman was dragged from the aircraft by waiting members of the armed offenders squad and forced to the ground in scenes described by one witness as reminiscent of a Bruce Willis movie. [...]

    And while it sounds like she had mental health issues, it doesn’t alter the fact that the first hijacking of an aircraft in New Zealand was carried out by a Muslim. I can almost gaurantee that even in little old New Zealand when people on aircraft see that someone on board is obviously Muslim (or Somali, for that matter, and therefore possibly Muslim) that they feel less safe than otherwise.

    Once again, do we really want or need these people in our country?
    And should we be afraid to make such statements for fear of losing our job, etc? So much for freedom of speech.

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  66. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I await your next post full of the usual abuse and same old boring name calling”

    Hahah… incredible that you have the nerve to post something so hypocritical. What the fuck do you post you shallow try hard moron? Go away. Like all dummies your most prominent personality characteristic is the ability to be an infinite unknowing bore.

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  67. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Once again, do we really want or need these people in our country?”

    I think she was one one of Big Bruv’s mail order brides trying to escape.

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  68. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 11:01 am,

    Interesting to note the different reaction in the US when someone is fired for politically incorrect speech.

    Link to video on Crusader Rabbit where Megyn Kelly interviews CAIR head Ibraham Hooper regarding the firing of Juan Williams for simply stating on air his fear when seeing Muslims on aircraft.

    I’m sorry – and maybe this isn’t very Christian of me – but why do we have to put up with these pieces of shit like head of CAIR Ibrahim Hooper? The more I hear out of Muslims’ mouths the more I’m convinced that they are all accomplished liars with no integrity or even a vague concept of honour to anyone other than fellow Muslims. Either that or people profess to be Muslim (especially in majority Muslim nations) out of fear that to not do so means certain death from their fellow Muslims.

    Why do we allow Islam either a presence or a voice in Western nations? It claims to be a religion, and therefore claims to have a voice based on “freedom of religion”, but we all know Islam is first and foremost a political/philosophical driven ideology with aims not dissimilar to totalitarian communism/Marxism etc – that being Global supremacy with ALL citizenry fully embracing the ideology and submitting without question. Remember, Islam means “submission”. Of course, all those who will not submit must be eliminated, and made an example of to prevent further dissent.

    When is the world going to wake up to exaclty what Islam is? When are they going to realise just how far the followers of Mohammed are prepared to go to bring about a global Islamic caliphate under Sharia law? Exactly how much evidence do they want?!

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  69. hj (6,871 comments) says:

    Keith Locke : “I would feel more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament”.*
    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/search?q=Keith+Locke

    In January 2006, Nandor Tanczos wrote on a Green Party forum;

    If we say ‘well Pakeha have the power now, so tough’ and base our occupation on simple domination, then we have to prepare ourselves for permanent civil unrest and eventually when the demographics change enough, for outright war. I have spoken to people who see this as the future, and it frightens the hell out of me.

    When challenged by NZ Truth to tell police what he knew, Tanczos backpedalled, stating it would be a “waste of time”.

    Further, Mr Tanczos denied knowing any of those arrested in the October anti terror raids except Tame Iti.
    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2007/12/gp-file-7-tia-taurere-tanczos-terrorist.html

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  70. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Come on Redbaiter…….I know you can do it, give us one more moronic rant.

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  71. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Kris, have you read that stuff about the mini nukes that have already been smuggled across the Mexican border (Operation American Hiroshima) into the US and are expected to cause about 2-4 million casualties if the plan is successful? I’d say that, if it occurs, it will have a pretty profound effect on how people think on the Muslim issue.

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  72. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Go away Bruv- you’re like a poodle humping my leg.

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  73. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 5:03 pm,

    Kris, have you read that stuff about the mini nukes that have already been smuggled across the Mexican border (Operation American Hiroshima) into the US and are expected to cause about 2-4 million casualties if the plan is successful? I’d say that, if it occurs, it will have a pretty profound effect on how people think on the Muslim issue.

    It rings a bell, Red, although do you have a link? – I’ll try and track it down on Google.

    No doubt, even if a major US city was taken out by Islamists using a nuke OB1 would just pass it of as “extremist factions within Islam and not representative of mainstream Islam” and that “the western world needs to further reduce any offence towards Islam.” And likely with the full support by the UN for such an approach.

    When are we going to stop appeasing Islam? – get rid of all the useless twittering ‘Nevilles’ and get some ‘Churchills’ onto the job.

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  74. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2612246/posts

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  75. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    kris – depends whos in the white house. if a nuclear attack happened with a republican president, i suspect some country would cease to exist.

    redbaiters link is from 2005. id be surprised if some terrorist cell sat on nukes for 5 years. what would be the point? they would detonate the things almost straight away.

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  76. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 5:28 pm,

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2612246/posts

    Thanks, Red – I tracked some down but yours is more current.

    From your link:

    Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S. (Revisiting World Net Daily’s 2005 “Scoop”)
    World Net Daily | July 11, 2005 | JOSEPH FARAH

    Posted on 21/10/2010 7:46:39 p.m. by tlb

    WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

    According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the “American Hiroshima” and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang.

    Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union.

    It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as “the Great Satan.”

    But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S.

    According to the author, the news sent Bush “through the roof,” prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

    However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border.
    [continues]

    Scary stuff, and definitely no time for complacency.
    Talk about having the wrong guy (Obama) at the helm at the wrong time. Bring back Bush, or at least someone who recognises the potential threat. What a shame that presidents are limited to two terms, and that Bush can’t come back for a third.

    That US-Mexico border is definitely the Achilles heel in the US’s defense.

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  77. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Anyone ever read debka.com? bloody good site.

    Anyway, stmubled across this:

    A top-secret Iranian military installation was struck by a triple blast Tues. Oct. 12 the day before Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad arrived in Lebanon. debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report the site held most of the Shehab-3 medium-range missile launchers Iran had stocked for striking US forces in Iraq and Israel in the event of war – some set to deliver triple warheads (tri-conic nosecones).

    The 18 soldiers officially reported killed in the blasts and 14 injured belonged to the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) main missile arm, the Al-Hadid Brigades.
    The Imam Ali Base where the explosion occurred is situated in lofty Zagros mountain country near the town of Khorramabad in the western Iranian province of Lorestan. This site was selected for an altitude which eases precise targeting and the difficulty of reaching it for air or ground attack. It lies 400 kilometers from Baghdad and primary American bases in central Iraq and 1,250 kilometers from Tel Aviv and central Israel. Both are well within the Shehab-3 missile’s 1,800-2,500-kilometer operational range.

    Our Iranian sources report that Tehran spent hundreds of millions to build one of the largest subterranean missile launching facilities of its kind in the Middle East or Europe. Burrowed under the Imam Ali Base is a whole network of wide tunnels deep underground. Somehow, a mysterious hand rigged three blasts in quick succession deep inside those tunnels, destroying a large number of launchers and causing enough damage to render the facility unfit for use.
    In its official statement on the incident, Tehran denied it was the result of “a terrorist attack” and claimed the explosion “was caused by a nearby fire that spread to the munitions storage area of the base.” In the same way, the regime went to great lengths to cover up the ravages wrought to their nuclear and military control systems by the Stuxnet virus – which is still at work.
    In actual fact, debkafile’s military sources report, Iran’s missile arsenal and the Revolutionary Guards have also suffered a devastating blow. Worst of all, all their experts are a loss to account for the assailants’ ability to penetrate one of Iran’s most closely guarded bases and reach deep underground to blow up the missile launchers.

    The number of casualties is believed to be greater than the figure given out by Tehran.

    The soldiers’ funerals took place Thursday, Oct. 14, at the same time as Ahmadinejad declared in South Lebanon that Israel was destined to “disappear.” A few hours later, he ended his contentious two-day visit to Lebanon.

    This week, Aviation Week discovered that the new intermediate-range BM-25 Musudan ballistic missile exhibited at the North Korean military parade Sunday Oct. 10 – at which Kim Jong-II also paraded his son and heir – bore a strong resemblance to the Iranian Shehab-3.

    It is therefore possible that the explosions at the IRGC base in Lorestan Tuesday also sabotaged secret models of Iran’s latest road-mobile, liquid-fuel version of the Shehab-3 ballistic missile.

    The Yanks and/or Israelis are really fuckin with Iran at the moment. I think the stuxnet worm is the coolest thing ever.

    The yanks have moved a second carrier group into the gulf too.

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  78. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    The hypocrisy is sickening. Pissant countries like the UK and France have nukes, yet Iran which has a bigger population to protect, which was invaded in recent history (by US backed Saddam) is not allowed the same (in fact they actually are not pursuing nukes)?

    I support nukes for Iran, and furthermore I think that Ahmadinejad is a genuine guy, a pious man, a good guy.

    In fact I would trust Ahmadinejad much more than Bush or Obama.

    If the US goes to war – the Iranian people will rise up and defend their homeland and will kill hecatombs of American corpses.

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  79. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Zhumao – youre a funny bastard :P

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  80. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    dime 5:41 pm,

    kris – depends whos in the white house. if a nuclear attack happened with a republican president, i suspect some country would cease to exist.

    Perhaps, but there would be no confusion about the message.

    redbaiters link is from 2005. id be surprised if some terrorist cell sat on nukes for 5 years. what would be the point? they would detonate the things almost straight away.

    If I was heading Al Qaida, and I had 40 nukes at my disposal, but only had one or two presently in the US, I would probably wait until I had all 40 strategically situated across 40 key US cities. This may take some years to achieve. Why just nuke one city when you could destroy 40 with a little patience? That’s what I’d do.

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  81. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “redbaiters link is from 2005. id be surprised if some terrorist cell sat on nukes for 5 years. what would be the point? they would detonate the things almost straight away.”

    Try reading the article dipshit. The idea is to smuggle them into various towns and cities across the USA (40 or so) and set them off simultaneously. I guess with your supreme level of intelligence, (and that lamer Big Bruv holding your hand as usual) it could all be accomplished over the weekend.

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  82. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Zhumao 5:50 pm,

    … not your best work.
    2/10 – must try harder.

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  83. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    kris – 5 years? it would be a hell of a risk waiting that long.

    redbaiter – whats with the constant name calling? thats what the left do. abuse people, call them idiots, discredit their opinions etc. its not cool.

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  84. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I support nukes for Iran, and furthermore I think that Ahmadinejad is a genuine guy, a pious man, a good guy. In fact I would trust Ahmadinejad much more than Bush or Obama. If the US goes to war – the Iranian people will rise up and defend their homeland and will kill hecatombs of American corpses.”

    Don’t forget people- the guy speaking here is one of those people you want to sell NZ farms to.

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  85. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    The fact is if Iran was really so dangerous wouldn’t Russia, China, and India, and others also be doing their darndest to stop their purported acquisition of nukes. If Ahmadinejad really was a nutcase, then everyone would be worried.

    But they are not. Only the US and Britain are. Why is this?

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  86. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    ” will kill hecatombs of American corpses” would read better as “and build hecatombs out of American corpses”

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  87. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “redbaiter – whats with the constant name calling?”

    Hhahhaha, don’t make me laff you pitiful idiot. Whenever have you directed that kind of criticism at your poodle buddy Big Bruv?

    Remember this from a few posts back?

    “Hey Dime, go easy on the stupid old incontinent fool Redbaiter,”

    “you are nothing more than a sad, angry old man who is a can short of a six pack”

    ” more than a parasite like you have ever done”

    Get a life man, and get a brain while you’re at it. Maybe after that you won’t so foolishly expect me to take you seriously when you’re so obviously choosy about when abuse is OK and when its not.

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  88. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    you’re missing a key point red, you’re the only one abusing ME

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  89. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Zhumao

    Mate, if I had a farm I would sell the bloody thing to you.

    Of course you would have to pay top whack and all that, and you would have to make sure you abided by all the stupid labour laws in this country (you would not believe how much crap we have to go through to get rid of a bad worker, I much prefer the way you guys deal with them) but I would have no issue with you paying me a shed load of money and taking over the farm.

    Of course, the added bonus would be that it would drive the silly old incontinent bugger from Tauranga crazy. :)

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  90. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Go easy Dime, the rest home staff must have over pureed his meal again.

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  91. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Of course, the added bonus would be that it would drive the silly old incontinent bugger from Tauranga crazy. :)

    What’s with the obsequious smiley Bruv. Trying hard to suck up to the commies as usual? Must be hard to believe I know, but in reality you’re not the slightest bit funny. Just pitiful.

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  92. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “you’re missing a key point red, you’re the only one abusing ME”

    Wrong again. Its you and your sycophantic mate I’m after. If you could get another ten such morons on your side maybe it would even up a little. I promise to only use half my brain.

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  93. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, what’s it like to live in a world dominated by the impulse to abuse everybody who disagrees with you. Or even asks you a question you don’t like?

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  94. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    Mate, if I had a farm I would sell the bloody thing to you.

    Thanks. But unfortunately don’t have a spare few billion. Working my way there though. Maybe in a decade.

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  95. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Or even asks you a question you don’t like?”

    Ahh, there’s one such moron Dime. Another fucking leftist idiot who apparently only sees abuse flowing in one direction.

    Only nine more like Vibenna and you and Bruv might start feeling less threatened.

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  96. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    In fact I doubt if there are many New Zealanders at all who would say no to some foreigner offering them twice as much for their house as could be paid by the local market.

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  97. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    dime and big blouse what a couple of cowardly dropkicks.

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  98. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Maybe in a decade.”

    With all that corruption in China among those suckholing bribing bent and criminal CPC officials that’s not surprising. Meanwhile the people you profess to care about are denied democracy and liberty. Thug.

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  99. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Zhumao 6:00 pm,

    The fact is if Iran was really so dangerous wouldn’t Russia, China, and India, and others also be doing their darndest to stop their purported acquisition of nukes. If Ahmadinejad really was a nutcase, then everyone would be worried.

    Not if China and Russia are in bed with Iran, and view Iran as their proxy by which the West can be destroyed.

    As a Christian the phrase “Kings of the North” (Jer 25:26, 50:41, Ezek 26:7) in the Bible has a certain resonance with China and Russia attacking the West in the final chapter of human history. And I believe we’re in that final chapter …

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  100. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    So redbaiter, just to clarify, do you think I’m a leftist?

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  101. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “So redbaiter, just to clarify, do you think I’m a leftist?”

    Don’t know really. Don’t remember you. From your very poor English skills, your weak cowardly and untrue smears, and your determination to prosecute Redbaiter and leave other offenders free of criticism, (all on this thread) I’d have to guess that you would be. Most rightists are a lot smarter and more objective than you.

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  102. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Just how many bloody Redbaiters are there?

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  103. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv stop humping my leg like a salivating tongue out tail wagging poodle.

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  104. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Zhumao

    As it happens I do have a farm I would like to offload, what about if I toss in one Redbaiter and one D4J, would that sweeten the deal enough for you to be able to bring the deal forward by ten years or so?

    Oh..and the price is only one billion mate, it is top quality land as well, close to Auckland, not far from the airport and all that stuff.

    You may well have heard of my farm, it is called Bastion Point, you could not go wrong with that one mate, just let me know when you are ready, I will send the documents over, there is no need to come and inspect the farm at all, you can trust me.

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  105. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “Just how many bloody Redbaiters are there?”

    Who are you today big blouse or insolent prick. Never did get over that NBR write-up eh cowardly creep? You must be such a pathetic joke in real life you twisted gutless wonder.

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  106. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Hey D4J..what’s new?

    How is the legal aid going?

    Still paying that child maintenance?

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  107. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “As it happens I do have a farm I would like to offload,”

    Bruv, you should write another attempt at satire and then shut your computer up and never write anything again. Not even a good try. Never read anything so infantile and witless and unamusing. Never mind, your Chicom friend might like it I guess. Commie arse kisser.

    Oh and there you go with the same old cowardly smears against D4J as you use against everyone you disagree with. Lamer.

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  108. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “Hey D4J..what’s new?”

    Hey gutless grown any balls yet for a face to face. Yeah right yellow slimeback coward!
    Hey blouse go have a drink with toad and take tuffey for a walk!

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  109. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: ah, having your cake and eating too, I see. Well, enjoy. I do wonder how you get on at the dairy though

    “I’ll have a pint of milk you suppurating excuse for an entrepreneur, and no more cowardly smiles behind my back. I’ve seen you treat those delinquent communists with more respect than me. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”

    Anyone else for Parody Redbaiter? We could make it a regular game. Speech is still free …

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  110. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    D4J

    Why are you so keen to see my balls?

    You do know it is perfectly acceptable to come out of the closet these days don’t you?

    Say it loud D4J, say it proud D4J…come on, let me hear it, tell the world you are out and you are gay!

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  111. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    ………………and your determination to prosecute Redbaiter ………………

    Red you are starting to refer to yourself in the 3rd person .

    I’ll try..

    Pauleastbay saw Sarah Palin on Fox the other night, Pauleastbay still thinks she has great tits and legs, but Pauleastbay was very disturbed as she performed at a tea party rally. Pauleastbays opinion was confirmed that she is somewhat vacuous and populist and if she is really the best the Republicans can do Mr. Say nothing of consequence may get re-elected.

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  112. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Vibenna, do you have any kind of argument, or are you like Big Bruv, only here to foul someone else’s blog by instigating a flame war.

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  113. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “the same old cowardly smears against D4J ”

    Gutless low life filth like big blouse think it’s normal. Just one #####?

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  114. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “Say it loud D4J, say it proud D4J…come on, let me hear it, tell the world you are out and you are gay!”

    Just one ##### please Sir.

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  115. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – I’m asking for a truce. I find a lot of the links you post useful. You even helped me out recently when I asked for info about the last Bristish government. The mutual abuse is just getting tiring. Shall we just start again?

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  116. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Pauleastbays opinion”

    Paulaeastbays doesn’t have the ability to form opinions. He sits back like the gape jawed moron he is and lets left wing media people do that for him. Without ever knowing what a drongo they’re making of him.

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  117. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, yes Redbaiter says “or are you … only here to foul someone else’s blog by instigating a flame war.”

    Comedy gold ! Keep ‘em coming !

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  118. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Fuck him Dime, no appeasement, a deep breath and start again. Never give up

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  119. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv, if you had anything for anybody other than cowardly and untrue smears you may amount to something. As it is, all you’re ever good for is post after post of completely false smears and all on someone else’s blog. A coward is all you are and all you will ever be.

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  120. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Nothing to be ashamed of D4J.

    Apparently it is a real load off your mind when you come out (ask Redbaiter, he cal tell you in far more detail than I can)

    Just think D4J, no more going to bed alone and angry, no more banging your keyboard with frustration and no more feeling like you have to pretend that you like females.

    It has been obvious for some time now that you were hiding something, just let it all out and be a free man once again.

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  121. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Comedy gold ! Keep ‘em coming !”

    You pathetic halfwit. Look up the thread and you’ll see who wants the flame war. The same pathetic self obsessed fool as always.

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  122. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    big blouse I am going to sort you one day. Believe me creep you are so twisted I am thankful I know who you are.Oh by the way email me at dad4justice@gmail.com. Lets chat tonight eh coward?

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  123. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Oh, don’t talk about yourself that way Red.

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  124. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “It has been obvious for some time now that you were hiding something, just let it all out and be a free man once again.”

    Actually Bruv, with your irrational hatred and intolerance of Christians, you’re more likely to be queer than D4J, and you sure sounded it in your alternative identity. (FOT).

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  125. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Oh, don’t talk about yourself that way Red.”

    Gosh Bruv, you’re gonna need a lot more than nine if they’re all as piss weak as this prick.

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  126. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    Red, I am going to sort this big blouse.

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  127. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Dad, he’s not worth it mate. He’s just slime. Don’t let him get under your skin. He’s just another stupid little coward with nothing but smears. Just laff him off.

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  128. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    D4J

    For the last time, I am not gay, not that there is anything wrong with that of course and I am happy for you now that you have unburdened yourself.

    But please, you are only in for a huge disappointment if you keep trying to be with me, I know why you find me attractive, after all you are only human but you really are wasting your time.
    I am sure there are plenty of other gay men in Chch, why not pop out for a drive (or do you guys call it cruising?) and see what you can find.

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  129. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – I’ll take your lack of response as a sign that we are all good.

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  130. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    How can this #### think he can say those things without consequences? My girlfriend and daughters’ want a piece of this cowardly slime ball.

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  131. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “For the last time, I am not gay, ”

    I doubt that’s true, but you’re sure as hell pathetic.

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  132. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    vibenna

    It seems that Red is hearing voices again, it might pay to stand back from your PC for a little while.

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  133. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Dad4j – I agree with Redbaiter, not worth it.
    Likewise Bruv – time to back off.

    Redbaiter – to answer your original question. Yes, my argument is that you shouldn’t be so rude.

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  134. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “How this #### can think he can say those things without consequences.”

    Its just words Dad. Everyone knows he’s a coward and a liar. Nobody with a skerrick of decency would behave the way he does, or foul up someone else’s blog with this kind of shit like he does time after time. He’s not worth it. Just laff at him. He’s pathetic.

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  135. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    What consequences D4J?

    Seriously, you are the one who asked me a question or made a comment, I simply answered it and engaged you in polite conversation.

    It seems that you are unable to read anything I write without asking to see my balls or threaten violence.

    I really thought we might have been making progress D4J, outing yourself is always a good thing to do, now go forward and be proud of it.

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  136. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Yes, my argument is that you shouldn’t be so rude.”

    Bad English again. That is an opinion and not an argument. And a worthless one at that.

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  137. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    You big blouse are a total sad arse gutless creep. See you.

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  138. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Seriously, you are the one who asked me a question or made a comment, I simply answered it and engaged you in polite conversation.”

    What a yellow lie. You have fouled up this blog time after time after time with unending and unprovoked cowardly and false allegations against D4J.

    Seriously seriously whine whine whine.. like a fucking old woman.

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  139. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    It is perfectly correct grammar implying a subject beyond the sentence.

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  140. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    Do you feel happy now big blouse you twisted creep!

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  141. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Vibenna

    All good advice of course but I do so enjoy getting inside Redbaiters head.

    You may have noticed that he is unable to let anybody else have the last word, of course this is a classic sign of his narcissistic personality but still, that does not excuse the way he attacks anybody who does not share his fucked up view of the world.

    His nadir was his gutless attack on a man who fought for this nation, a man who actually did fight against the communists and not from behind a keyboard in a retirement home somewhere in Tauranga.

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  142. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “narcissistic personality”

    Haha this coming from a cowardly yellow smear who continually attacks my family. Fuck this creep is twisted.

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  143. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “All good advice of course but I do so enjoy getting inside Redbaiters head.”

    Hahhahah.., what a joke. As usual, its you working yourself into a frenzy. Look at all the indignation in your post at 4:19 PM. Just a silly little coward who’s never got anything but lies smears and false allegations, and totally lacking in regard for the fact that this is someone else’s blog.

    (BTW, Vibena, you have to be a leftist. Big Bruv is always reaching out to them for backup)

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  144. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Good on you D4J…are you going to take my advice and go for a bit of a cruise?

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  145. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Now, now D4J…no need to start telling porkies again..

    Shit…sorry, that sounded like a gay sex innuendo, it was not intended to come across that way.

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  146. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “Good on you D4J…are you going to take my advice”

    I would much rather put a gun to my head than listen to a cowardly yellow stain like yourself. Must go taking my family out to dinner. Enjoy your keyboard and words creep. What a sick sad joke you are. Get a life and another dog!

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  147. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “It is perfectly correct grammar implying a subject beyond the sentence.”

    Its the completely wrong noun you tiresome pretentious fool.

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  148. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – I will never trust left politics again after the last 4 years of Helen Clark. The same drama has played out in Australia since John Howard was dumped, and the current Union fracas repeats it in microcosm. Chris Trotter really sums up all that is wrong with the left; the idea that in the name of the greater good, any kind of bullying, lying and corruption is okay. It’s a shame, because there are many well-meaning idealistic people in the left trying to do the right thing, but the struggle for power seems to corrupt most of those who rise up the greasy pole.

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  149. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Redbaiter – I will never trust left politics again after the last 4 years of Helen Clark.”

    Its kind of staggering to me that that four years is the only condition you experienced that turned you against the left. All over the world they have infiltrated our public institutions and destroyed them. All over the world they cheat and lie and deceive and seek power by what ever means they can. And they’ve been doing it for decades. Why would you only awaken in the last four years??

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  150. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Because the right has excesses too, and the left look better when cast against the excesses of the right. Right wing political parties are constantly at risk of degenerating into oligarchy, as has happened in the USA.

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  151. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Right wing political parties are constantly at risk of degenerating into oligarchy, as has happened in the USA.”

    Oh gawd.. yeah right…!!

    That capitalist swine Obama is a right wing oligarch for sure.

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  152. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    I think their whole system has been captured by lobbyists, and as a result there has been a massive decline of the middle class, which really worries me. I think they will get out of it, because they are a great country and a robust people. But their system is broken at the moment.

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  153. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ‘Daily Show’ to the Rescue!: Obama Turns to Jon Stewart For Help With Youth Vote

    In the comments, try to guess the toughest questions Stewart will ask. Our money is on the following…

    1. “Can you believe how racist those Tea Partiers are?”
    2. “Where do you get those suits?”
    3. “Do I please you?”
    4. “Could you be any more awesome?”
    5. “When did Fox News stop beating their wife?”

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2010/10/20/daily-show-to-the-rescue-obama-turns-to-jon-stewart-for-help-with-youth-vote/

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  154. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Vibenna

    Dictionary:

    Wind, pissing into it – trying to debate with an insane person

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  155. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    One final point – what about very low or no government? History shows that it will degenerate into warlordism, aristocracy, and tyranny. So I guess I quite like our current political system, with it’s tension between left and right and the pendulum swinging back and forth to keep everyone honest. But I will always be on the right side of that pendulum now. It has swung a long way left, but the examples of Greece, Britain and the general debt crisis will cause it to swing back right.

    I think those who are contemptuous of the western way of life (some in Asia, for example), will be in for a big surprise over the next 15 years. Western Institutions are still wonderful, even the unions, and they will deliver. Provided, that is, we refuse to tolerate the worst excesses of both left (deceit, corruption and bullying) and right (oligarchy, special interests, and exploitation).

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  156. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    “the worst excesses of both left (deceit, corruption and bullying) and right (oligarchy, special interests, and exploitation)”

    Yes unfortunately anyone over thirty who hasn’t already seen that all of those traits exist on both sides most of the time, are unlikely ever to make any progress toward predicting a reasonable way forward.

    Shame such a view appears to be fairly widespread, in many people.

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  157. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Roger Kerr: “What is your idea of the proper role of Governent?”
    John Key: The government should do whatever works”.

    That’s not a bad starting point, as long as you add “….for the good of the people and the country”.

    Sichuan proverb (from the same Kerr column) – “Black or white, good cat is mouse-catching”.

    Too many people and parties seem fixated on colours and labels, when the best approach should be, issue by issue, what works.

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  158. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    “That’s not a bad starting point, as long as you add “….for the good of the people and the country”.”

    Most of the atrocities of the 20th century were done in the name of the people or the good of country. Whenever people talk about acting for the good of society you can be sure some minority is about to have its rights trampled.

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  159. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Zhumao is the voice of the PRC government; a bunch of dickheads.

    I support Tibetan independence and the Xinjiang thugs simply I’d like to see the CCP’s control of the mainland fall apart. That would be fun.

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  160. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf: I do not support Tibetan independence. I don’t see how any superpower could tolerate a strategic threat like that hanging over it, an ongoing potential puppet of a number of other powers. So I suspect that Chinese annexation has substantially improved regional security, which is a Good Thing. Although I admit to not being expert in that area !

    Besides Tibet was a backward and oppressive society in which women were told they could only reach enlightenment by being reincarnated as men. Nice religion apart from that, though.

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  161. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    From hurf Durf:

    I support Tibetan independence and the Xinjiang thugs simply I’d like to see the CCP’s control of the mainland fall apart. That would be fun.

    Or, to be consistent:

    I support Palestinian independence and the Zionist thugs simply I’d like to see the Likud’s control of historic Palestine fall apart. That would be fun.

    My God, we can agree on at least one principle, eh Hurf?

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  162. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Vibenna

    Besides Tibet was a backward and oppressive society in which women were told they could only reach enlightenment by being reincarnated as men. Nice religion apart from that, though.

    This is a good description of Western society a little over 100 years ago, or less.

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  163. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf again:

    Zhumao is the voice of the PRC government; a bunch of dickheads.

    Is this the same bunch of dickheads that has the US economy by the balls?

    And that the US is holding out the begging bowl to?

    Just asking.

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  164. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    You think it makes it any less of a fact, Puke? And yeah, Puke, I already knew you were a fuckwit vis-a-vis Israel, there’s no need to waste your time and elucidate it. Except for “Historic Palestine” – that wouldn’t happen to be the whole lot, would it? I’d imagine your pindick would get hard from that.

    I got that new Medal of Honor game last week, Puke. I can’t tell you how fun it is to spray your resistance friends’ faces with automatic gunfire.

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  165. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    dime (2,414) Says:
    October 22nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Anyone ever read debka.com? bloody good site.

    reid, it’s crap. It’s just Israeli hasbara dressed up to look like some kind of informed comment.

    I well remember the stories Debka came out with before the latest attack on Iraq. Two that really stuck were allegations that Saddam had Mirage planes loaded with chemical weapons in hideouts in the mountains above Basra that would flood southern Iraq with gas when the coalition of the willing, the bullied and the bribed landed; and that Saddam had ordered US uniforms made so Iraqi soldiers could wear them when killing Iraqi civilians and show the video to the world.

    Just crap. And lots of other crap besides that. Unbelievable that they suck so many in!

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  166. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Come on Hurf, it’s Friday, show your ignorance for all to enjoy.

    What’s your problem with the term “historic Palestine”?

    And why do you support the Zionist colonisers yet not the PRC who, according to you, are doing exactly as the Zionists are doing in Palestine?

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  167. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Aside from the fact it exposes your desire for the destruction of Israel and the fact that the many times you expressed support for the unworkable “two state solution” was little more than a smokescreen for your ulterior motives? Nothing at all, Puke. Nothing at all. I can read your kind like an open book.

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  168. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    I found it amusing that you disappeared for a few days after I pointed out you backed the Republican Party over the Obama Administration concerning DADT. What happened? Had to spend that time locked in a dark room trying to block the pain?

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  169. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Hurf above

    wtf? Where’s the link for that? I’ve been working long hours, that’s all! And I’m on Rachel Maddow’s and John Stewart’s and other normal Yanks side regarding DADT. Dan Choi has reenlisted. Go Dan!

    Nice diversion, by the way. I’ll chalk that up as a win to me!

    So how do you explain your inconsistency vis a vis Tibet/Palestine?

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  170. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    dime (2,414) Says:
    October 22nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Anyone ever read debka.com? bloody good site.

    reid, it’s crap.

    Try not to confuse me with dime, Luc. There’s a good chap. Cheers.

    BTW, I agree, but sometimes even crap has a diamond in it, not that I know whether dime’s article is or isn’t. It’s a bit like Fox, isn’t it.

    Hurf, why is the two-state solution unworkable and if it is, what’s your idea? More of the same, but this time, even harder?

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  171. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Also, Hurf, I don’t call for the destruction of Israel. I don’t even know what that means. I call for full recognition of Palestinian human rights, and those of Israelis, equally.

    What’s your problem with that?

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  172. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Sorry reid.

    (Hangs head in shame…)

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  173. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    You got something against hookers Reid? :)

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  174. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf: I do not support Tibetan independence. I don’t see how any superpower could tolerate a strategic threat like that hanging over it, an ongoing potential puppet of a number of other powers.

    vibenna, all superpowers build up buffer states in their genesis. the USSR was the archetype. That doesn’t mean it’s necessary. How does Tibet pose a threat to Chinese stability, given its current good relations with those related nations who could conceivably threaten it: India and Russia? (I discount Pakistan for while it would be a bloody battle we’re not talking comparable enemies in any way.)

    I view Tibet as being a threat to the Chinese from a psychological perspective. The threat of gasp: peace and freedom. Can’t have that, can we. Falun Gong anyone?

    It’s just you said Tibet was a strategic threat. It’s not, in anyway.

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  175. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    reid, I don’t agree with vibenna’s pov on Tibet, but I do think you needlessly romanticise the issue. Like Taiwan, Tibet has been Chinese for almost as long as history.

    We don’t allow Tuhoe autonomy, let alone sovereignty, and we oppress those who advocate such ideals by our repressive laws and racist enforcement of those laws, so who are we to talk?

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  176. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Le fucking sigh, Puke. Do I have to wipe your arse as well? Note the continuing anti-Western sentiment of wanting to “emasculate a Western army.” I know, I know, you hate yourself so much, but you don’t have to bring down the rest of us with you.

    So how do you explain your inconsistency vis a vis Tibet/Palestine?

    No inconsistency here. West is best. And if that means heading China off by cynically using their territorial integrity as a weapon to suppress their rise then why not? Yeah, I’m an imperialist. Deal with it.

    Hurf, why is the two-state solution unworkable and if it is, what’s your idea? More of the same, but this time, even harder?

    Two different groups, one nuttier than the other, controlling two different strips of territory? A population either indoctrinated into hate for Jews or barely-educated. No, what’s needed is a three state solution: Israel gets its bit, Egypt gets Gaza and Jordan gets the West Bank. Egypt and Jordan then administer the territories, improving the population’s fortunes and purging the media, cultural and political leadership of the nutcases and setting a pathway for their rehabilitation into a seperate state, or failing that annexation into Egypt and Jordan. I know, I know, the self-determinationists hearts will bleed but I operate on fact and reality, not emotion and anal bleeding.

    Also, Hurf, I don’t call for the destruction of Israel. I don’t even know what that means.

    Right, because you’re a fan of Kadima too, the party that launched the 2008 Gaza War. Don’t be disingenuous, Puke, your dog whistle referring to “historic Palestine” is far too loud.

    Right, any other questions you two dolts feel the need to field?

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  177. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    hurf, your solution is genocide.

    Hitler would be proud of his pupil.

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  178. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Egypt and Jordan then administer the territories, improving the population’s fortunes and purging the media, cultural and political leadership of the nutcases and setting a pathway for their rehabilitation into a seperate state,

    Sounds like a pretty sweet genocide if two states living side by side ends up being the final state of affairs. You think you can just play the race card every time you don’t like something and you won’t get called on it? Grow up, you prat.

    You really need your frontal cortex being looked at, if only for your child’s sake.

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  179. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    “We don’t allow Tuhoe autonomy, let alone sovereignty, and we oppress those who advocate such ideals by our repressive laws and racist enforcement of those laws, so who are we to talk?”

    Luc not germane to Tibet but if Tuhoe lived on Stewart Island and no-one else lived there then maybe we could and would have allowed them autonomy and sovereignty at some point in time. Entangled inter-generational social and economic and political integration right here right now, is why that can’t happen. We won, they lost, eat that. Apparently that’s the Labour Party’s approved position on these sorts of issues, so I understand. So it’s really the lefty’s fault, isn’t it.

    However just to give you a small example of why Tibet is not China, last I heard Tibet has something called the Dalai Lama who apparently is revered and apparently his successor has been hand-picked by the Chinese instead of by the monks and apparently this isn’t accepted by the Tibetan people. Also there’s the small matter of the troops and the slaughter and the fact this has been happening only since the fifties. Normally that’s called an occupation.

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  180. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Reid: Bear in mind that the Chinese occupation of Tibet was in 1950, so you have to think about the strategic situation at the time, just five years after World War II, and just three years after Indian independence. You can invoke the current good relations, but the Chinese might well argue they are due to history, including the historical annexation of Tibet 60 years ago.

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  181. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    reid, I’m not particularly informed on the case of Tibet, but it seems to me more a case of creeping independence by increasingly uppity local Buddhists than classic colonialism. I don’t have any time for the Dalai guy – just see how he is selected, for god’s sake (excuse the pun). I remember seeing a vid on how the locals in Tibet starved so the monks could grow fat, and I have seen similar expressions, but not that extreme, by Buddhists in NZ towards their monks.

    If you think we would allow a tribe on Stewart Island sovereignty, you are deluded. And the classic “we won, they lost” simply does not apply. You may not have heard of treaty settlements but don’t worry, they are coming soon to a place near you!

    If Tibet is an occupation, so is the Ureweras.

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  182. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    “the Chinese might well argue they are due to history, including the historical annexation of Tibet 60 years ago”

    Yes but 60 years ago geo-political imperatives aren’t the same as they are now. If China does indeed use the 1950’s dynamics as a justification for today’s policy and I haven’t ever heard her do that, I’d have to say it’s not a very strong reason to continue the policy.

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  183. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    “If Tibet is an occupation, so is the Ureweras.”

    Sorry Luc, don’t get the connexion.

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  184. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    hurf, you are plainly ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the creation of Israel. Go to my blog and work your way through the reading list (I will update it this weekend) then get back to me with an informed view.

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  185. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    I couldn’t care less if the Land of Milk, Honey and Diamonds was once where Israel lies now. I deal with facts and reality. And the reality is: Israel exists. Deal with it.

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  186. reid (16,230 comments) says:

    “the reality is: Israel exists. Deal with it.”

    Another reality is, so does Palestine and yet another reality is, they’re all human beings.

    It seems rather pointless for anyone to pretend that either side doesn’t have both rights and obligations, toward each other. Or that one side is 100% right whereas the other side is 100% wrong.

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  187. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Luc,

    “but it seems to me more a case of creeping independence by increasingly uppity local Buddhists than classic colonialism.”

    Ah no. The Chinese marched in and took over by force of arms. That removed the independence. Now the Buddhists are uppity because they want it back?

    Try applying that to your views on the Palestinians Luc. Congratulations, according to your stated view of recent history there, that is now a case of creeping independence by uppity Palestinians against the wonderful Israelis who have every right to be there. Well done for seeing the light on that issue Luc!

    “remember seeing a vid on how the locals in Tibet starved so the monks could grow fat,”

    Luc, the peasants (sorry liberated workers) of China starve so that the ruling fat cats can live in luxury. Same in the old Soviet Union and other socialist eastern bloc countries. Also Cuba. Wonder how the little people are doing in Venezuala compared to Hugo’s lifestyle? Seems to be a bit of a recurring theme among the ‘enlightened’ socialist workers paradises. Best not tell the NZ population or they might figure our Left out for what they are.

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