NZ First on Campus
October 31st, 2010 at 10:43 am by David FarrarTVNZ report:
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters says his party is building a support base with university students.
The Young Nats, Young Labour, Young Greens and ACT on Campus are looking forward to welcoming NZ First on Campus I am sure.
A reader has sent me a photo taken of NZ First on campus members gathering for a rally.
So it is good to see Winston has set up a youth section, for those members younger than the average. But it got me thinking, how about a section for NZ First party members older than the average – like National has its Super Blues.
As it happens I have also been sent a photo of a meeting of Winston’s old age section.
I understand Winston claims membership is increasing every day!
October 31st, 2010 at 10:51 am
NZ First possibly has quite a few members under 65 (IQ, that is)
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am
He might even give us a refund soon? We live in hope.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:00 am
Fewer small parties are needed, not more. ACT must go next.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:07 am
This is unhelpful. Much as I detest Peters there are still 5% of people mainly elderly who could be tempted to vote for the prick. This sort of branding will assist Winston no end.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Gareth Morgan:
Ireland’s economic miracle was driven by Germany. Under Labour, ours is being gifted by Communist China. The Germans sent money, the Chinese are sending people.
Paradoxically we have a government that in its veins hates selling New Zealand out to foreigners, and indeed campaigned on the issue of asset sales to foreigners – yet is quite happy to resort to an influx of foreigners as an alternative means of staying in power. The hypocrisy is startling.
Vote:http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/column.php?id=409
October 31st, 2010 at 11:18 am
Yesterday, Rex posted a photo of a NZ First delegate using his GPS to find the Annual Conference venue.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9jGIJwx7ks8/R85f8WwMePI/AAAAAAAADj0/_KJMn5EkPrE/s400/Zimmer_Frames1.jpg
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:21 am
With Act and the Maori party in complete disaray , National party supporters have to be worried. Lockward Smith’s insubordination shows cracks in the National facade also..how could he be so out of touch with public sentiment? Why has he publicly defied his leader? Should be an interesting election..No doubt some people will want to make it a dirty one also.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:28 am
John Banks told us that Auckland is expecting population growth of (some enormous number) and this creates a “huge opportunity’… for whom?
The sort of people who voted for Winston Peter are those who remember when you could go to the local beach and collect mussels. They probably don’t have the IQ of the property go getters out there who are able to sit on their chuffs, (having been able to take advantage of the fanning of the flames high numbers of migrants bring) yet they can smell a rat when they see wealth rising in the property sector but smaller sections and second rate apartments for the populace.
Introduce a land tax and we’ll see our immigration policy (the Property Council) without it’s clothes on
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:29 am
John Gibson: not sure why you think that. But if Matt McCarten has his way, the Greens will be going next. I wouldn’t be too sad to see them go – if they were an actual Green party I’d miss them, but as a rebranded Alliance I reckon they’re getting votes under false pretences.
Joana, I reckon you’re clutching at straws. Last I looked, National were well above 50%.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:37 am
Joana
The only thing National have to worry about is how to govern alone next time with an absolute majority.( and this won’t really be a problem, no pesky hangers on)
The unions and Phil have started campaigning early for the national Party, bless them.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:41 am
My Great Grandmother would have understood the (low IQ) NZ First voter:
“With fourpence in cash, very little firewood, no fences, no livestock and at times no water, our handicap put us well behind scratch.
Your father went to work in the ballast quarries along the shore and brought in some hard earned money while I tried to get things into shape in and around the house. Barrels and then tanks were obtained to hold the rain-water but on washing days I had to take clothes to the creek and happy days those were, among the native trees where the children chased the tame little bush birds or gathered flowers.
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However, after that our sun began to shine through the clouds of trouble. We scraped together a herd of cows and I made butter and cheese while your father took any work offering or, like the rest of the settlers, he dredged for oysters on the famous oyster-banks of Charteris Bay. We also grew early potatoes and strawberries to help us along. Bit by bit the land was cleared of scrub and debt, and then we bought more land and paid for that too.
By then you were all grown up and able to take over the land and let your father and myself take a few years rest. I am as happy now, lying down blind in my own home, where I started twice with only four pence, as I was the first night I came here fifty three years ago, as I know my children and kind friends are round me and that my work is completed. I have no illness but must bow down to sheer old age.”
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 11:53 am
immigration not a population issue not a green issue:
Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says.
“Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters’,” the Party’s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.
Vote:http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy
October 31st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
That photo reminds me of a story from the Dublin Herald.
“A 6 seater Cessna crashed into a cemetery on the outskirts of Dublin in darkness last night around 11.30pm.
Vote:Search and Rescue squads worked through the night. By daybreak they had recovered 1,347 bodies. A spokesmen said they expect that number could rise dramatically.”
October 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Very good.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm
It would be good if Winston Peters and NZ First got out of the way so a new party could give voters a choice on the Right of the centre-left NatLab bloc.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Hey, kaya who’s more stupid,the Irish who got the Germans to pay for their economic miracle or us dependent on the Chinese,hahaha……
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm
“Who are our members?” – the results of a poll commissioned by NZ First
1. 82% are over age 70.
Vote:2. 11% are over age 99.
3. 27% believe that the nice Mr Muldoon should make way for Winston.
4. 5% believe that Winston is the Prime Minister.
5. 43% say they aren’t racist but they wouldn’t want their grandchild to marry into the Harawira family.
6. 14% believe that Winston is Maori.
7. A staggering 69% believe in the A + B theorem.
8. Of those, 54% believe if Social Credit works, no-one else will have to.
9. 22% drive Skodas.
10. 41% believe that sleeping in the raw is deviant.
11. 34% believe that the Moon landings were faked.
12. 3% think Elvis is alive and living in Taihape.
13. 0.016% claim to be Elvis.
14. 7% pick Keith Holyoake as the current Governor General.
15. 2% are virgins
16. 44% wear (grey) slip on (synthetic leather) shoes.
17. 93% of the workers in an illegal distillery in the Catlins swear by him.
18. 17% think Winston is God.
19. 2% think God thinks Winston’s God.
October 31st, 2010 at 1:28 pm
kowtow – hard to say really, I’m Irish but I never really believed in the economic miracle over there.
Morgan is partly wrong. Much money came from the EU but the initial stimulus to the Irish economy came from the USA who poured many millions into the place in the 70s in an attempt to influence the politics in the region, particularly Northern Ireland where I lived. Of course this helped stimulate the South too.
The main thing that started the rise of the Celtic tiger was the creation of favourable conditions and tax regimes to encourage businesses to relocate to Ireland and take advantage of the educated and skilled workforce that already existed there. Many software companies in particular went there.
The problems started as the prospertiy improved. People moved to Ireland from overseas, especially Eastern Europe (now becoming a racial problem as the jobs disappear) – locals moved into the cities. Property prices increased quickly and as in NZ (and probably the rest of the western world) the speculators moved in and greed took over
. A false economy evolved based on perceived property values. Everone thought their net worth was greater than what it was. People borrowed for new cars and holidays etc etc on the back of their property. Retail sales boomed. GDP soared.
This new economy was a myth, it was based on borrowing, not on the real economy which was still going along nicely. Same as here. It’s all about living within your means.
This is one of the reasons I got out in 85. I don’t beleive in any economic miracles that find you dependent on anyone else. Work hard, provide good products and services that people want/need. It’s not rocket science.
My personal, simple rules as passed on by me da are:
“treat other people like you would like to be treated”
“you get nothing for nothing”
“if it seems too good to be true it probably is”
“when something doesn’t make sense, follow the money”
Works for me.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Re Magnanomis’s 1.20 post:
Two of his points:
Are you sure you haven’t been raiding an old joke list about Social Credit, Magnanomis.? Few people now know what Social Credit was, but the joke was that they all drove Skodas (and wore crimplene suits).
Skodas in those days were rat-shit cars. Now they are superb. Owned by VW, with German engineers turning free the engineering creativity of the Czechs (remember them earlier for such winners as the Bren gun).
Skodas win prizes internationally, and they aren’t cheap.
I would be surprised if anyone in Peters’ Party owned a Skoda, unless it was more than 20 years old and from Red Czechoslovakia days.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I hear that all new members of the Winston Youth get a snazzy brown shirt.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Magnanomis’ post reminded me of a bumper sticker from the 1978 election
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
So if NZ1st returns does it have to a have a new registration and how much will this cost the taxpayer? I guess we can add it to the hundred odd thousand they owe us.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
“I understand Winston claims membership is increasing every day!”
” And once they join — nobody leaves!”
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Jack5 –
Social Credit – I’m guessing that NZ First is the last refuge / retirement home for old Social Crediteers.
Skoda – agree about Skodas. Nearly bought one instead of an Audi (they’re sisters under the skin). But nothing beats a V12 Jag (on a good day).
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Bullshit First : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4291915/Peters-delivers-formal-address
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 4:53 pm
“But it all demonstrates how low our sovereignty has sunk. We have again been hijacked from abroad.” – yeah, yeah where is our $156,000 ?
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 5:20 pm
John Key’s stage managed PR campaign is going well..this does not equate with National doing well. Here in CHCH people are wondering what happened to Gerry Brownlee??…Wasn’t he supposed to be helping earthquake victims?? As usual..all talk , no action.
Vote:Nationalism is on the rise everywhere…In the UK , Europe , Scandanavia , Canada , The US , Aussie….It is the natural response to multiculturalism…and of course the arch enemy of socialism. Locke and his ilk believe in open borders…this has worked so well in Britain there is a huge exodus of Brits to Aussie , NZ wherever they can go to get away from multiculturalism or ethnic cleansing.
October 31st, 2010 at 5:26 pm
@ John Gibson –
Winston and his party were found to have misappropriated $156,000 (I thought it was $168,000) – and Winston refused to repay or reimburse it.
Doesn’t that preclude NZFirst from standing until such time as the funds are repaid?
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 5:42 pm
kaya
I agree about the false economy and the property boom .Of course that was an international trend with the credt madness.
However I was in Ire when it joined the EEC and remember my rural rellies being agog at what membership did to the price of rural land, I think at one point an acre went from 1000 pound an acre to 4000!
Furthermore there were huge subsidies paid to farmers to imprve farm buildings etc even
money to keep records!The EEC gave them new markets and guarateed prices.
Then there were huge infrastructure projects paid for by Europe.
Vote:The big US money came in the ’90s with globalisation and the pharma and tech factories,many of these have since moved east to lower wage economies.
Since the 20′s Ire has relied on state or state induced investment. It’s always been a “branch factory economy” .. If it wasn’t for guilt ridden,export driven German wealth tranfers Ireland would be in deep serious economic shit. The tiger was always a myth.
October 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Joanna –
Are you arguing that nationalism is the arch-enemy of socialism? I think that they’re often fellow travellers. Look at China: otherwise ideologically bankrupt, the regime has been turning up the nationalism volume.
I’ve recently re-read Enoch Powell biography and his so-called 1968 “Rivers of Blood” speech on UK immigration (“As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood.”) I’m not suggesting that Winnie is NZ’s Enoch Powell – for one reason, Winnie is an intellectual pygmy compared to Powell – but both men could have been Prime Minister, although only Powell deserved to be.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Magnanomis..
Vote:The Americans considered Winston to be the most intelligent NZer since Peter Snell. They did not rate any nat or labour politicans.
October 31st, 2010 at 6:29 pm
“The Americans considered Winston to be the most intelligent NZer since Peter Snell” – I think that says rather more about the sad state of American intelligence and judgment than WP’s stellar abilities and intellect. I’ll grant that WP is clever and sly – but that’s not intelligence.
I neglected to say that the main reason Winnie is not NZ’s Enoch Powell is that he (WP) utterly lacks integrity: whereas Powell’s principled integrity was so great that he willingly sacrificed the baubles and geegaws of office.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Joana: Nationalism is on the rise everywhere…In the UK , Europe , Scandanavia , Canada , The US , Aussie….It is the natural response to multiculturalism…and of course the arch enemy of socialism. Locke and his ilk believe in open borders…this has worked so well in Britain there is a huge exodus of Brits to Aussie , NZ wherever they can go to get away from multiculturalism or ethnic cleansing.
Ever heard of “National Socialism”? Nationalism and socialism are both collectivist ideologies and can co-habit together quite nicely.Free market liberals and Libertarians also support open borders…but where they differ from the Greens is there would be no welfare availible to new arrivals disincentivising the unskilled and lazy from coming in.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Aren’t the MSM useless.
Stuff: Peters delivers formal address has this NZ First PR piece.
They didn’t finish the story, where was the ; most likely attributable to Winston Peters having been found to have been dishonest about his party funding and that he had used secret trusts to hide large donations from wealthy business backers. That and that he hasn’t paid back the $158,000 he stole for his 2005 election campaign.
Vote:October 31st, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Have you ever read War of the World by Niall Ferguson? He argues that after the fall of Communism the Serbian Socialists switched to extreme nationalism after their ideology fell apart in order to hold on to power. It helped that they kept held of the traditional organs of state power such as institutions and the media as well. Ferguson hypothesises that if the Chinese economic boom collapses the Chinese leadership may well follow similar tactics. And who knows from where? Just this week they’ve been improving military ties with Thailand, India, Yemen and Turkey. As James said, Nationalism and socialism are both collectivist ideologies and can co-habit together quite nicely. That’s why when fascism comes to anywhere, it’ll be wearing sandals and holding a Greenpeace clipboard.
Vote:November 1st, 2010 at 12:19 am
I LOLed.
But at the same time I feel Kiwiblog is cheapened by the fact that you felt the need to throw a cheap attack post out about them. I don’t see a very bright future for Winston First on Campus.
Vote:November 1st, 2010 at 5:30 am
Best case scenario – Winston Peters campaigns hard & wins just over 4.5% of the vote.. mostly off Labour & the Greens.
That’s obviously short of the 5% threshold. Winston’s vote is then re-distributed on a proportional bases to the parties in parliament (so the parties in parliament make up 100%). National, as the biggest party, gains the most… & can form a majority government. Thank you Winny!
Worst case – Winny is back in parliament & forms a minority govt with Goff, Maori party, Greens, Dunne. Act is wiped out. Prime Minister Goff does a little celebration dance that is played over, and over again on the TV networks.
Vote:November 1st, 2010 at 8:51 am
kowtow – I remember applying for a job in the De Lorean factory (made the “Back To The Future” car) in Belfast, it was less than a km form where I lived. It was massive incentives and grants that brought him there then the dirty swine turned out to be a drug dealer!!!!
Vote:There is a pattern emerging in the last 30 years of manufacturers in particular moving their factories to the cheapest wage economies. This is going to do nothing for economic stability anywhere in the world. The argument will be that it raises the standard of living in that area, no mention of the devastation it leaves behind in the areas they leave. Complex.
November 1st, 2010 at 9:12 am
Nationalism is not the same thing as national socialism. You must not be aware of the nationalism growing in every western country. Problably because it is deliberately kept out of our heavily censored papers..only very slanted left wing foreign journalists accasionally mention it.
Vote:November 1st, 2010 at 4:32 pm
John Gibson asks:
And the rental on the Ministerial self-drive car that wasn’t given back for months (till Whale put pressure on Parliamentary Services)?
And Susan Couch’s money?
And the membership fees paid by all the people who were hoodwinked?
And the taxpayers’ money paid to Micael Lhaws after he resigned from Parliament in shame, exposed as a liar, and then you told barefaced lies to the media about still having him on the payroll?
And… the list is almost limitless. Unlike Winston’s prospects.
Vote:November 7th, 2010 at 11:34 am
“They didn’t finish the story, where was the ; most likely attributable to Winston Peters having been found to have been dishonest about his party funding and that he had used secret trusts to hide large donations from wealthy business backers. That and that he hasn’t paid back the $158,000 he stole for his 2005 election campaign”.
there’s the rub. If you want to be well funded you have to deliver the goods. The tax working group recommended a land tax but National rejected it. Meanwhile John Key who made his millions ($55?) adding nothing to real to the economy tells us that we ought to to sell farmland to foriegners as we (naughty, naughty) don’t save enough. However his party rejects the sort of measures (land tax) that would in all likelihood have dampened asset inflation, which (coincidentily), is what groups such as the NZ Property Council would want to see happen?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 3:58 am
I can’t wait to join Young NZ First on Campus! About time too!! NZ First should’ve had this ages ago. NZ First has one the best student policies and student packages available!! Check it out: http://www.nzfirst.org.nz
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