NZ has 5th smallest gender gap in the world

October 14th, 2010 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

New Zealand has again been judged to have the 5th smallest gender gap in the world, for at least the third year running. The only countries higher are Iceland, Norway, Finland and Sweden.

The UK is 15th, US 19th, Canada 20th and Australia 23rd.

Down the bottom we have Yemen, Chad, Pakistan, Mali and Côte d’Ivoire.

Labour MP has said:

Today’s Global Gender Gap report, written by the World Economic Forum, shows NZ sliding towards a lower ranking says Labour Spokesperson for ’s Affairs, Sue Moroney.

“For the first time in five years, New Zealand’s score has dropped and while it retained its fifth-placed ranking, it is now at risk of being overtaken by Ireland in next year’s report unless the Government stops going backwards on wage equality for similar work, enrolment of women in tertiary education, literacy rates for females, female to male wage ratios, and women in Ministerial positions.

“The international report shows NZ has gone backwards in five key areas for women in 2010 after having made steady progress in the previous four years,” said Sue Moroney.

Now the overall score has slightly declined, but let us look at these “five key areas” where Moroney claims NZ is going backwards. She cites one as enrolment of women in tertiary education.

Now in fact women massively outnumber men in tertiary education. In 2009 the ratio was 1.49 to 1 and in 2010 it was 1.48 to 1. So Moroney is actually complaining that men are slighlt less disadvantaged in an area where they are massively disadvantaged. Moroney has taken an idiotic stance that the higher the ratio is for women, the better for NZ. So in her world a 5:1 ration of women over men in tertiary education would be better than 4:1.

And on the issue of gender pay gap, the Herald reported:

Last week Women’s Affairs Minister Pansy Wong praised the latest New Zealand Income Survey results, saying they showed the gender pay gap was closing, down from 11.3 per cent last year to 10.6 per cent.

But Pay and Employment Equity Coalition spokeswoman Angela McLeod said at the time that the apparent drop was a result of a poor economy.

“Incomes are dropping and more households are dependent on women’s lower paid work.

“This is not a real closing of the gender pay gap, but an outcome of the recession and higher unemployment,” Ms McLeod said.

Now I actually agree with McLeod. One doesn’t celebrate a lower gender gap on the basis that both men’s and women’s wages have fallen, but men have fallen slightly more closing the gap.

But this is what many on the left effectively advocate with their insistence of reducing income inequality. They regard it as horrendous that the top 10% income earners wages by go up 5% if the bottom 10% only go up 4%. But they celebrate NZ is a more equal society if the top 10% have their wages drop 5%, so long as the bottom 10% only have their wages drop 4%.

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82 Responses to “NZ has 5th smallest gender gap in the world”

  1. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    On a scale of things I care about this is right at the bottom.

    We have equal pay in NZ, the sisterhood are simply telling lies to suggest otherwise.

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  2. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    If anyone complains about the gender pay gap, just casually mention the expected lifespan gender gap. Men’s time is worth more! :-)

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  3. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Feminism is the road to ruin for any country, and all those listed are suffering because they allow it political prominence.

    I’m all for woman achievers (Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin) but affirmative action is an artificial social construct that has dumbed down our public service massively.

    Stupid front bums running government departments who aren’t in reality capable of running a lemonade stand.

    Leaving aside the calamity of non replacement birth rates.

    A stupid Marxist idea and when it is finally seen for the retrograde step it has always been, and we go back to merit based promotions and having children at a rate that removes the need for massive immigration of sub cultures from under-developed countries, and having mothers raise those children rather than PC indoctrinating care centres, we will all be so much the better for it. Women and men.

    The first step in that process lies in removing women’s courses from universities. Radical brain damaged Marxists brainwashing and preying on callow young women.

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  4. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    What an aptly named Labour MP. MORON-ey!

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  5. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Hopefully this drop in income inequality will result in a at least some reduction in the large number of jealousy- and envy-motivated crime commited by women.

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  6. grumpy (261 comments) says:

    Bugger me, Redbaiter, you’re talking a lot of sense today.

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  7. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    “I’m all for woman achievers (Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin) …”

    Margaret Thatcher and Sarah Palin are both woman achievers? Huh.

    GTFO

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  8. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    So we are going to be passed by Ireland in Gender Equality rank.
    Shouldn’t the morons in the Labour party be more concerned that we are about to be passed by the likes of Oman, Czech Republic and the Seychelles in the level of GDP per capita?

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  9. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    There are some systemic areas of “inequality” that I suspect will never go away. So long as women disproportionately choose to mind the children (v’s their husband/partner doing that), and women in a family breakdown diproportionately are the ones who take primary custody of the children, we will see women under represented in some areas of industry, and the top end of many jobs (Ministers, CEOs, Directors etc). It is simply impossible to combine a job like this with an expectation of working 37.5 hours a week or less.

    If we accept that there are some areas that will systemically be underrepresented, then reaching “equity” the way this report describes it will require substantial overrepresentation in other areas. I have a problem with us seeking over-representation for women in some areas (e.g. tertiary education) on the basis that women have chosen to be under represented in other areas.

    In short, until someone can show me that the remaining “inequity” is driven by some sort of disadvantage, rather than purely by the aggregation of individual choices, then I am very much against any government intervention to attempt to change this.

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  10. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    Kimble

    Baroness Thatcher is most certainly an achiever.

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  11. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    As for Women in Minsterial Positions, the last Labour Government had 4, Helen Clark, Annette King, Margaret Wilson, Ruth Dyson. The current National Government has 6, Kate Wilkinson, Anne Tolley, Judith Collins, Pansy Wong, Georgina te Heu Heu and Paula Bennett, plus Tariana Turia as a Minster outside Cabinet. That’s a 75% INCREASE!!

    Sue Moroney should really stop[ putting out press releases!

    (Plus my wife earns about 10K a year more than I do!)

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  12. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    Sue who??
    isn’t she the one who used to sit behind Dame helen with a stupid look on her face, the only differnece now is that she sits behind someone??

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  13. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Kimble”

    Gosh, there’s Bruv reaching out to his commie mates as he does daily. Sarah Palin is only reviled by the media elite because she has achieved without travelling through the approved channels of the politically correct Marxist sisterhood, so naturally she earns the disdain of all those on the left who have done it in the approved manner. They sit sneering while accomplishing nothing.

    Naturally, the politically stunted and easily influenced ignoramuses in NZ whose sole source of information on world political affairs is the left wing propagandising mainstream media buy into this construct without a clue as to how they’re being manipulated and lied to. They’ll never get a clue either.

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  14. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    Palin is a disgrace. anyway, back to the topic:

    The sisterhood wont be happy until men arent allowed to go to university.

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  15. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    FFS.. how moronic.. If women ever wanted any ammunition for arguing that they are the superior sex, they don’t have to look much further than some of the utterly brainless utterances of Dime and his hooker using ilk.

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  16. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    Did they take into account the Oct 7 UE results of males at 37 % and females 50% . This gender equality bollox has a long way to go to play out fully.

    With mass immigration from countries at the bottom of the rankings the so called gap will be huge. Labourites can then rue the day they embraced multiculturalism and human rights that discriminate against the citizenry in favour of the third world. , Indigenous unmarried females will be worth quite a lot down at the camel market.

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  17. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    Sue is fully aware the the ey are surplus in her surname.

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  18. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, I’ll do something I don’t do often, and respond to you.

    Feminism is the road to ruin for any country, and all those listed are suffering because they allow it political prominence.

    Feminism is nothing more than women advocating for the advancement of women. I have no beef with women doing that – it’s their right to advocate, the same as catholics have a right to advocate for their religion, or doctors have a right to advocate for increased medical funding. It doesn’t mean we have to listen, each of us should make up our own minds. I think you are overstating the case here.

    I’m all for woman achievers (Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin) but affirmative action is an artificial social construct that has dumbed down our public service massively.

    I’ll agree here. Not with your inclusion of Sarah Palin, who is a classic example of affirmative action (she was included on McCain’s ticket to attempt to pander to the women’s vote, despite her being by far the weakest link in that team). But with the point that affirmative action almost always has negative results, and is almost always not justified.

    Stupid front bums running government departments who aren’t in reality capable of running a lemonade stand.

    Needlessly pejorative language, which I suspect shows your view of women is very skewed. Do you call your wife a front bum? Does she like it? Does that have any resemblance at all to polite conversation?

    Leaving aside the calamity of non replacement birth rates.

    Why is this a calamity? What will happen if we don’t replace? How many centuries will it take for this to make any real impact? Is there a shortage of people in the world – is there any real likelihood of the human race dying out? This is something often cited as a problem, but I’ve never seen any indication of why we’d care. The usual arguments are around paying for retirement etc – but that is a problem of insufficient savings, not a problem of how many children we have.

    A stupid Marxist idea and when it is finally seen for the retrograde step it has always been, and we go back to merit based promotions and having children at a rate that removes the need for massive immigration of sub cultures from under-developed countries, and having mothers raise those children rather than PC indoctrinating care centres, we will all be so much the better for it. Women and men.

    Agree with merit based promotions, this should be a basic step for any business. However, I don’t agree that we need any actions to deal with birth rates, nor that there is a necessary link to immigration. For the record, your concerns over immigration sound a bit xenophobic to me.

    On raising children, this is a personal choice that people can make. The government shouldn’t be in the business of distorting the playing field (by subsidising one choice over another), but beyond that it is none of the govt’s business.

    The first step in that process lies in removing women’s courses from universities. Radical brain damaged Marxists brainwashing and preying on callow young women.

    I’d come at this a very different way. Again, doing these courses is an individual choice. The govt shouldn’t be telling universities what they can and cannot offer. However, there are some things that I think would be reasonable:
    – having a national education plan – and in that plan specifying which areas the govt wants more people (maybe sciences), and therefore which areas the govt will subsidise
    – having some criteria for eligibility for a student loan – maybe there should need to be real prospect of actually getting a job before we provide a loan

    If the government wasn’t subsidising these courses, then it would be none of the govt’s business whether they were offered, or whether people did them.

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  19. Positan (390 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter – Feminism is the road to ruin …

    I salute the descriptive depth and substance of your eloquence. Beautifully put – so realistically and appreciatively articulated.

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  20. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Redbaiter, I’ll do something I don’t do often, and respond to you.”

    Don’t in future. I’ve got no interest in anything you say. You’re just a tired old lefty drone, and I struggle to get past the first sentence of anything you write. I repeat. Please don’t reply to any more of my messages.

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  21. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Red – I respect your opinion. But give it no weight. The same way you don’t stop the drivel that you splatter all over this blog, despite my strong desire that you do so.

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  22. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I salute the descriptive depth and substance of your eloquence. Beautifully put – so realistically and appreciatively articulated.”

    Just look at the track record of all those countries that have embraced the economic artificiality of Marxist /Feminist social construct. Most often basket cases. Take the vote away from women and a left wing government would never be elected again. Do you deny that reality? If so, you’re as brainwashed as any reality denying Marxist/ feminist.

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  23. wreck1080 (3,922 comments) says:

    I’d worry more about our position on the per capita GDP.

    One thing I’ve noticed amongst my group of friends/acquaintances. Couples where the male is dominant often seem to be financially better off than couples where the female is dominant.

    I wonder if others have the same experience?

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  24. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    silent T has the barefaced cheek to claim Bill English is using selected “facts” to mislead .. see Redalert .. what a laugh.

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  25. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    “Baroness Thatcher is most certainly an achiever.”

    No argument Big Bruv, my point was that comparing her to Palin was an insult.

    I appreciate very good actresses (Meryl Streep, Carmen Electra)…

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  26. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – “Take the vote away from women and a left wing government would never be elected again. Do you deny that reality? If so, you’re as brainwashed as any reality denying Marxist/ feminist.” – ROTFL

    You must be a real darling at dinner parties.

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  27. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Feminism is a form of mind control..Paul L ..It is a whole lot more than ”the advancement of women..” It is part of the wider socialist framework..It’s exponents say they are giving women choices but the feminism my friends and I lived thru or were exposed to , took away as many choices as it gave us..
    It is a straight jacket..a very straight jacket..it demanded that women BE one way , LIVE one way…It made no allowances for all the differences amongst women..and it looked down on , should I say despised women who wanted to be predominantly mothers..it created the socialist child in care from a very early scene we have now.Some young women are turning away from this..They hardly saw their own busy mothers so now want to be more involved mothers themselves..I am out of time…

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  28. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    joana – clearly the ideal is for pre-school children to be substantially cared for by their parents (though some socialization in pre-schools as they approach school age makes sense). This however requires political action (possibly by feminist groups) to force employers in to making this possible through flexible working arrangements including tele-working.

    Extreme feminism can be ludicrous in its tenets. A friend many years ago converted to lesbianism in her early forties. She was surprised to learn from her lesbian feminist community that any sex aid that resembled a phallus was unacceptable.

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  29. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    As usual, Red hits the nail on the head in his 11:18 am & 12:04 pm comments.
    And PaulL gets it entirely wrong.

    If people can’t see the link between Marxism and Feminism – where the aim is to dis-establish the Judeo-Christian foundational construct of Western societies, then I seriously have to question their intelligence. The other option, of course, is that they fully embrace the aims and intents of Marxism/Feminism, and are quite happy to sacrifice everything for which our forefathers fought and died.

    It is no surprise that as a result of the Marxixst/Feminist agenda we see a reduction in the number stable family units (married father and mother and kids), where the father is the main breadwinner and the mother is primarily the home maker, along with the associated rise in homosexuality (confused sexual identity through minimal male role models), increased promiscuity of teenagers and the associated rise in STDs and teen pregnancies, high abortion rates (just viewed as another form of contraception by many), lack of respect of authority especially by youth, increasing crime rates, a decrease in honour and integrity, falling birthrates, an open door policy regarding especially third world immigrants and followers of Islam, increasing pandering to Maori, ethnic minorities, and other minority interest groups (sodomites, etc), etc, etc.

    Pretty much everything which is wrong with our society is a direct result of trading our Judeo-Christian heritage and values for Marxist/Feminist ideology.

    That many of you here just don’t get this is an indication of just how successful the Marxixst/Feminist brainwashing programme of the last 30+ years has been.

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  30. annie (539 comments) says:

    # joana (216) Says:
    October 14th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    “Feminism is a form of mind control..Paul L ..It is a whole lot more than ”the advancement of women..” It is part of the wider socialist framework..It’s exponents say they are giving women choices but the feminism my friends and I lived thru or were exposed to , took away as many choices as it gave us..
    It is a straight jacket..a very straight jacket..it demanded that women BE one way , LIVE one way…It made no allowances for all the differences amongst women..and it looked down on , should I say despised women who wanted to be predominantly mothers..it created the socialist child in care from a very early scene we have now.Some young women are turning away from this..They hardly saw their own busy mothers so now want to be more involved mothers themselves..I am out of time…”

    I disagree, please don’t assume that all women feel the same way as you do.

    I’ve been there, done both the stay-at-home thing (enforced – was before creches were available, otherwise I would have been back to work when the new kid was one) and the working mother thing. I prefer to work, and did so as soon as I could, being at home with the kids did my head in. The kids involved are now fine upright fully employed citizens with children of their own, both working mothers themselves, though the older one only works 3 days a week. And they’re both lovely people. I think your generalisations are a little strange frankly – maybe you need to get out more.

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  31. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    John Gibson 12:43 pm,

    Redbaiter – “Take the vote away from women and a left wing government would never be elected again. Do you deny that reality? If so, you’re as brainwashed as any reality denying Marxist/ feminist.” – ROTFL

    You must be a real darling at dinner parties.

    Red wouldn’t be alone in his assertion.
    Ann Coulter on women having the vote:

    “It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 – except Goldwater in ’64 – the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.”
    May 17, 2003

    Statistically, the most effective thing you can do to ensure truly conservative right wing governments don’t come to power – is women having the vote.
    I am sure this is the primary reason why we sufferred three terms of Labour under Klark – women just kept on voting her in. Once again, the Feminist sisterhood cabal in action.

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  32. Chuck Bird (4,895 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to know how these statistics were gathered. Were they based on hourly rates or salaries ignoring hours worked?

    There is no way that women will or should get the same average wage as men as long as many choose to be the one who looks after the children in families and when there is a separation or divorce.

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  33. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Kris K – “Statistically, the most effective thing you can do to ensure truly conservative right wing governments don’t come to power – is women having the vote.”

    So you would take away the democratic rights of 50% of the population to ensure your preferred political party and way of thinking was in power. You don’t see the conflict here with your claimed desire for freedom ? You are and Redbaiter are advocating the Totalitarian politics you criticize the left for. The left by advocating feminism are actually ensuring democracy as proven by the alternation of the left and the right in political power.

    BTW I don’t think “sodomy ” could be consider a minority interest group :-)

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  34. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Red wouldn’t be alone in his assertion.
    Ann Coulter on women having the vote:”

    Thanks for posting that Kris. Amazing that leftists like John Gibson just never know these facts isn’t it. They live in little loony leftist bubbles where no information that might pop their manifest delusions is permitted.

    “So you would take away the democratic rights of 50% of the population”

    You’re a moron. Nobody has suggested that. Go away. Stop wasting our time. Come back when you learn how to read.

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  35. Lucia Maria (2,449 comments) says:

    Annie,

    I’ve done both as well. In my case I moved from part-time working mother to full-time parent at home, even being the educator of my children.

    The real test as to how well you’ve raised your children will be when you are old and need care. Will they put you straight in a home, or will they look after you.

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  36. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    To gain an insight to the Feminist/Lesbian agenda within New Zealand following is a link to (one of) Ian Wishart’s article [PDF] on the Feminist/Lesbian “sisterhood” which has operated within the Labour Party for the last 30+ years:

    The Velvet Underground – Labour’s quiet revolutionaries

    [Excerpt]

    Despite that, Goodger argued that merely capturing people’s hearts and minds didn’t go far enough, that “the sisterhood” had to take control of the Government from within. “The deep roots the [Labour] party has in the working class, through the unions, makes it objectively an ally of the women’s liberation movement. Feminists working within the Labour Party can do much to further the cause of women’s liberation.” Again, John Tamihere’s account of what has happened to Labour eerily reflects that 1973 plan of action. “Oh yeah, there’s definitely a ‘machine’ all right. It’s formidable. It’s got apparatus and activists in everything from the PPTA all the way through. It’s actually even built a counterweight to the Roundtable – Businesses for Social Responsibility. Its intelligence-gathering capabilities are second to none.” Having those activists in place, with the power to write laws and decide what children will be taught in schools, is a dream come true for what Opposition MPs are calling “the lesbian/feminist cabal” running the Labour Government.

    It’s worth reading the whole article.
    And it’s scary just how much of what was planned over thirty years ago has become a reality over the intervening years; much of it during Labour’s last three terms under Helen Clark – one of the original architects of many of these changes.

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  37. redeye (629 comments) says:

    The only countries higher are Iceland, Norway, Finland and Sweden.

    I’m sure it’s no coincidence that the women in these countries are predominantly blonde?

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  38. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Are the old fashioned men suggesting that women should not be allowed to vote? Or are they just saying that the fact women do vote is an excuse for why we get governments they don’t find acceptable.

    Annie, Joana, would you be happy to give up your right to vote?

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  39. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Three questions.

    All symptomatic of crippled comprehension and loathsome lack of purpose.

    Ugh.

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  40. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    Kris K – I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. The further we move away from religion, the worse society becomes.

    New Zealand really is a country of heathens. Me included. Although I do have some morals.. and a love of whores :)

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  41. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete G[e]orge 1:55 pm,

    Are the old fashioned men suggesting that women should not be allowed to vote?

    .. and the grey fog of incomprehension descends.

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  42. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Kris, I disagree. Feminism, and the general social enlightenment over the last 50-60 years has been a massive benefit to society. That doesn’t mean it is all good, but in general our social state is much better (in my opinion) today than it was 50-60 years ago.

    Basic things:
    – a woman can open a bank account without a husband or father needing to approve it
    – a woman can get a decent performance rating in her job, and progress to a senior level. My mother in the 70’s was told, as a teacher, that she couldn’t get one of the top two performance ratings, as those ratings were reserved for men – because women couldn’t become school principals. That was a bad state of affairs, and the way things are now is better
    – respect for people who are even slightly different. In the 1950’s you could be persecuted or blackmailed for being homosexual. That was wrong. Women who were victims of domestic violence had very few options. Children who were victims of abuse were usually hidden.
    – treatment of minorities, immigrants, the disabled are all vastly improved

    In short, in a social sense (so ignoring technological change etc) if you gave me a choice between living in our current society and living in the 1950s, I’d take our society every time.

    Now, this doesn’t mean it’s perfect, and in some areas I would agree that changes have had side effects. The DPB gives options to women who are victims of domestic violence, it has also come to be seen as a permanent source of income. I think you can get the former without the latter, it needs some fixing. Some of the constructs that provide freedom also contribute to family breakdown, and things can be done to correct that.

    I would be clear that I don’t, and won’t, subscribe to your beliefs that women should be subservient to men, and if that is the belief system that you start with in justifying your tirade against feminism, then I doubt you’ll have many supporters in contemporary NZ. I’ll also note the poor logic associated with defining people as either being supporters of you (“see the linnk between Marxism and Feminism”), or otherwise necessarily fully embracing Marxism and sacrificing everything our forefathers fought for. I’m pretty sure there’s a middle ground there, and I’m pretty sure most of NZ lives in that middle ground.

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  43. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Ann Coulter: “If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine…” She also criticized women for “voting stupidly”.

    That means women (collectively) haven’t voted the way she wants them to.

    http://www.observer.com/2007/coulter-culture

    Have any of those here implying things would be better if women didn’t have the right to vote have the guts to say straight out women shouldn’t be able to vote?

    Kris – do you think women shouldn’t be able to vote, or are you going to blow fog around the question?

    More lies from RB follow…

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  44. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “and the grey fog of incomprehension descends.”

    Yeah, notice the implication that he’s a completely with it swinger really behind the total emancipation of women and the advancement of the feminist agenda and this makes him just so intellectually and morally advanced over anyone who might hold a differing viewpoint? Same old shit the commies have been pulling for a century and he says we’re “old fashioned”. Man he’s revolting.

    “Have any of those here implying things would be better if women didn’t have the right to vote have the guts to say straight out women shouldn’t be able to vote?”

    Go away you fucking dipshit. There’s no courage necessary. Of course woman should vote. What an utter fucking maroon you are. Fuck off and stop wasting time and bandwidth with your slow witted non comprehending worthless shit.

    [DPF: 30 demerits]

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  45. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    dime 2:01 pm,

    I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. The further we move away from religion, the worse society becomes.

    New Zealand really is a country of heathens. Me included. Although I do have some morals …

    It’s not even religion as such, Dime, it’s Judeo-Christian values – which you don’t have to be religious to embrace. For instance, I know many people who would hold to J-C values and yet are not Christians.

    I really do believe that J-C values are diametrically opposed to the Marxist/Feminist agenda. This is why those on the Left primarily target those who hold to such values. And obviously conservative Christians are pretty much at the top of their hit list for the above outlined reasons.

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  46. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Ok, so you are just blaming women voters for left wing governments.

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  47. Lucia Maria (2,449 comments) says:

    I would be totally against the removal of the women’s vote. How women vote is an effect of wider societal changes – not a cause. Get the Government out child-care funding – that encourages women to abandon their children to others to raise and thus perpetuates the cycle. Women who are more involved and connected in their children’s lives would end up voting differently.

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  48. annie (539 comments) says:

    # Lucia Maria (418) Says:
    October 14th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Annie,

    I’ve done both as well. In my case I moved from part-time working mother to full-time parent at home, even being the educator of my children.

    The real test as to how well you’ve raised your children will be when you are old and need care. Will they put you straight in a home, or will they look after you.

    Lucia Maria – I wouldn’t want them to look after me, though I suspect they would try. I’d want them to help me to the nearest decent cliff, though.

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  49. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    PaulL 2:05 pm,

    Kris, I disagree. Feminism, and the general social enlightenment over the last 50-60 years has been a massive benefit to society. That doesn’t mean it is all good, but in general our social state is much better (in my opinion) today than it was 50-60 years ago.

    I guess I see it as, on the whole, a massive step backwards. I think we’ve lost much more than we have gained as a society through the Feminist/Marxist agenda. I think almost all of those things we would regard as negatives within society, whether that’s teenage promiscuity or domestic violence, are much MUCH worse today than they were 50-60 years ago. As are all those other things I outlined in my 1:08 pm comment.

    I think many of us here can even remember back to the 70s and early 80s when all of the social indicators were much better. It was only after this that Feminism/Marxism really ramped up its attack upon societal foundations, resulting in the aftermath we are confronted with on a daily basis.

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  50. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria, I doubt they will come out and say that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote, they just wish they didn’t, like they wish we went back to a more patriarchal society.

    My mother is doing everything she can to stay out of a rest home, she is barely managing in her own home but wants to stay there and be independent as long as she can, and she then hopes she goes quickly.

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  51. Lucia Maria (2,449 comments) says:

    Annie,

    My mother-in-law thinks the same way you do! I hope it’s just a generational thing.

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  52. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    I think we’ve lost much more than we have gained as a society through the Feminist/Marxist agenda.

    Don’t know why you combine these two, they are quite different. As far as feminism has gone – which covers a range of degrees of change from more equal rights for women to over the top symbolic nonsense – where you say “I think we’ve lost much more”, when you say “we’ve” I presume you mean “men”. Many women have gained a lot if individual rights and freedoms, along with added pressures and responsibilities. Some men have lost power.

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  53. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – “Go away you fucking dipshit. There’s no courage necessary. Of course woman should vote. ”

    If Redbaiter & Kris K you haven’t got the balls to come out and say that women should not have the vote then stop your continual whining about left wing governments . Your Dominatrix Mistress Anne Coulter has said the way to get right wing governments is to take away the vote from women so either be submissive to her will or STFU.

    Kris K – “To gain an insight to the Feminist/Lesbian agenda within New Zealand following is a link to (one of) Ian Wishart’s article [PDF] on the Feminist/Lesbian “sisterhood” which has operated within the Labour Party for the last 30+ years” – that must explain why all those commies and homos in the Labour Party are currently polling 20%.

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  54. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “your Dominatrix Mistress Anne Coulter has said the way to get right wing governments is to take away the vote from women ”

    So typical. A worthless lie and a cowardly smear all in one. And you wonder why we don’t allow you to pollute Crusader Rabbit.

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  55. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Kris K – Thanks for the Coulter quotes here are some that might clarify your understanding of sodoimites: “A 2005 survey of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found a rising incidence of anal relations in the American heterosexual population. The survey showed that 40% of men and 35% of women between 25 and 44 had engaged in heterosexual anal sex; in 1992 a similar survey found that only 26% of men 18 to 59 and 20% of women 18 to 59 had.[43] By way of comparison, seven times as many women as gay men engage in anal intercourse, a figure reflecting the greater overall heterosexual population.”

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  56. MamaBear (1 comment) says:

    I’ve been reading all these comments with interest – some are intelligent and some are not. So, I have a question for the more intelligent of you: The majority of tertiary graduates are women. Why are they paid 8% less (on average), per hour worked, than their male counterparts by the end of their first year of working, and up to 14% at five years?

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  57. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    It really is a waste of time engaging with either Mr George or Mr Gibson – they twist and slither like the snakes they are, smearing and misrepresenting what others have said, and then try to introduce other material to somehow validate their false system of belief.

    For example, I notice Mr Gibson’s “survey on sodomy” didn’t differentiate on the basis of individual frequency, but rather just whether one had or hadn’t participated.

    No doubt, if I had a puff on a cigarette as a 12 year old that would make me a chain smoker. Just more obfuscation and dishonesty as we’ve come to expect from the liars on the Left.

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  58. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    Kris – so you’d be arguing that having anal sex just once doesn’t make you a sodomist? Where exactly would you like to draw the threshold. Interesting that you’re recognising graduations here, unlike your previous “you’re with us or you’re agin us” tirade.

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  59. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    PaulL 3:28 pm,

    Kris – so you’d be arguing that having anal sex just once doesn’t make you a sodomist?

    Is that what I said? – or have you just recently joined the “Pete G[e]orge Incomprehending on Behalf of the Masses Support Group” ?

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I’ve been reading all these comments with interest – some are intelligent and some are not. So, I have a question for the more intelligent of you: The majority of tertiary graduates are women. Why are they paid 8% less (on average), per hour worked, than their male counterparts by the end of their first year of working, and up to 14% at five years?”

    Not big enough breast implants?

    Standing on the wrong corner??

    Skirts not short enough?

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  61. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    “Why are they paid 8% less (on average), per hour worked, than their male counterparts by the end of their first year of working, and up to 14% at five years?”

    Let ask the obvious questions.

    1. What areas do female students get their qualifications?
    2. What areas do they work in?
    3. How does the number of hours worked affect the pay rate?*

    *I know you think you addressed this issue by asking about per hour income, but you really havent. The marginal benefit of of any extra 10 hours work may be higher than the value of the 40 before that. So instead if paying more for those extra hours the employers in general pay people working in jobs that require longer hours more per hour.

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  62. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    MamaBear: I’d say it’s economics

    If you had a choice between a young man and young woman of absolute equal abilities, an employer would tend to favour the man, because he is far, far less likely to cost the company when having a child (i.e maternity leave, hiring a replacement etc). The only way women can compete with this rather basic fact is to accept lower salaries to offset the cost of having and caring for a baby.

    (Or, women are less likely to be offered higher paying jobs with heaps of responsibility if they are likely to get pregnant in the near future)

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  63. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Kris k:It is no surprise that as a result of the Marxixst/Feminist agenda we see a reduction in the number stable family units (married father and mother and kids), where the father is the main breadwinner and the mother is primarily the home maker, along with the associated rise in homosexuality (confused sexual identity through minimal male role models)

    What rise in homosexuality? It is more visible now than it used to be but that doesn’t mean its prevalence has increased.

    Indeed, given that gay men are more common in large families than in small families we would expect not only that rates of male homosexuality should be declining but that male homosexuality wouldbe more common in deeply religious societies with their larger families.

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  64. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    “What rise in homosexuality? It is more visible now than it used to be but that doesn’t mean its prevalence has increased.”

    In fact it is likely to have decreased. In the past some people could have THOUGHT they were gay, but being the only gay in the village didnt really have a chance to try it out and find it wasn’t up their alley.

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  65. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    grumpy – “Bugger me, Redbaiter, you’re talking a lot of sense today”. – talking of sodomy……

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  66. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – ““I’ve been reading all these comments with interest – some are intelligent and some are not. So, I have a question for the more intelligent of you: The majority of tertiary graduates are women. Why are they paid 8% less (on average), per hour worked, than their male counterparts by the end of their first year of working, and up to 14% at five years?”

    Not big enough breast implants?

    Standing on the wrong corner??

    Skirts not short enough?” ”

    From the man who made comments this week about Auckland women being prostitutes. If you can’t make intelligent responses why don’t you stick to posting at the bastard child of Glenn Beck & Anne Coulter aka Crusader Rabbit.

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  67. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    @Mamabear

    Averages conceal a lot of useful information about the jobs and aptitudes of the candidates.

    Part of the issue is that many women graduates still gravitate to jobs that are easy to enter and leave the workforce in. That is because many women do desire to have a family in their lives and expect to be a primary caregiver.

    Women therefore are more likely to become teachers- a graduate teacher can take several years off work and re-enter the workforce. Getting into say, a more higher-paid computer science degree is riskier, because if you take 3-5 years out to have a child, a lot of the skills you have learned may become redundant. Hence, there is some bias- some deliberate selection of jobs- by women graduates to occupations that are ‘future-proof’ around children.

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  68. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    No medical clearance??

    K road too over crowded?

    Too old for Hunter’s Corner??

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  69. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Although couched in anti-feminism, distinctly strong signs of general anti female language.

    Once you hang all journalists from lampposts, remove all politicians from power, and exclude all Progressives, Communists, Socialists, leftists, non aligned centrists, Rinos and females you might be able to get the government of your choice elected. No wonder you want others to do your revolting for you.

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  70. Atheist1 (174 comments) says:

    haha exactly Pete George. Never mind, the two balding old men in cardies (a.k.a KKris and Reddie) will pop their clogs soon and there will be no one left in the country that thinks like them. The revolution will be over before it even has a chance to get any further than their sweaty keyboards.

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  71. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    The feminist ideology is firmly entrenched in many New Zealand government agencies. The damage to the affected children is no concern for these agencies. Well done gals. Just look at our massive youth problems. Well done gals.

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  72. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    in D4J’s world, the chicks are solely to blame for everything. well, them and the police (who d4j will call at the drop of the hat if someone upsets him, but thats not the point).

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  73. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    no dime, police are busy enough and I fight my own battles something a cowardly whore user like you would ever understand. Creeps like you make me ill.

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  74. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    thats interesting D4J cause just yesterday i saw you pestering bruv asking if he wanted to see the police complaint number or some such..

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  75. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    My teenage daughter make the complaint dime some deranged kiwiblog nutter keep ringing up abusing her. No doubt the thing hung out with other cowardly losers at the big blouse club. Your type make me ill. So gutless.

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  76. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    lol why am i gutless? cause i wind you an red up?

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  77. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    I doubt dime could wind-up a toy soldier.

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  78. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    and yet you always respond..

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  79. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Dime, ignorance and cowardice are just two qualities I enjoy pointing out in such as you. That you keep coming back for more is a sign that there’s another quality there too. Simpleton idiocy.

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  80. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    says the guy that labbeled imported goods socialist..

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  81. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    “says the guy that labbeled imported goods socialist..”

    That wins the internet for the day.

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  82. taxcut (1 comment) says:

    fuck yeah, tax cuts just rolled in on my paycheck tonight, suck on it lower 98% of NZ.

    high five!

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