One in three women do not live in fear

October 5th, 2010 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

’s Refuge do a great job supporting female victims (and their children) of . I always donate to them, and it is a disgrace how many get beaten, and often killed, by their partners. Of course domestic violence is not all one way, but far far more are hospitalised and killed then men.

However they sometimes let themselves down with their advocacy, and the has just upheld complaints over their recent advertisements. The Herald reports:

The Advertising Standards Authority has labelled Women’s Refuge claims that a third of women live in fear as “exaggerated”.

The body upheld two complaints about fundraising print and television advertisements that ran in July. In the newspaper version the Saatchi & Saatchi ads said: “One in three New Zealand women need your help. Because living in fear isn’t living.”

The television version repeated the statistic and asked viewers to “stop the abuse before it starts”. …

In its response, Women’s Refuge said the statistic came from sources including 2004 research which found 33 to 39 per cent of women experienced intimate partner violence in their lifetime.

Further, a World Health Organisation study in Auckland and Waikato found one in three women experience physical or sexual violence from a partner in their lifetime. …

“While the majority of the complaints board acknowledged the veracity of the statistics, it was concerned that a study restricted to women living in Waikato and Auckland was used as the basis for national statistics.”

Similarly, it was concerned with the 2004 lifetime violence finding, which was based on an episode of violence becoming the “basis for fear”.

“In the majority view, it was inappropriate to extrapolate the claim ‘one in three women … are living in fear …’ from the research.

It is a good decision. If WR had said one in three women will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes, then they would have been on solid grounds. But to interpret that as one in three women live in fear was painting a false picture of NZ and NZ women. Thankfully, many women don’t live in fear. The moment a partner whacks them, they throw the bum out, and move on with their lives. I wish more women would do this – few things are sadder than seeing women continue in abusive relationships because they think “something” is better than “nothing” when it comes to relationships.

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37 Responses to “One in three women do not live in fear”

  1. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    WTF! Does that mean that two in three women DO live in fear?

    Couldn’t you have picked a better headline? Like: Liar, liar refuge’s pants on fire.

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  2. BlairM (2,265 comments) says:

    I just hate this whole “women as victims” mentality that they propagate.

    I got beaten about by my ex wife for months. I could not fight back because I knew she would call the police on me. I wonder how many men out there suffer with wives like this, then the minute they can’t take it any more and fight back they get done for assault? Does that get included in the statistics too?

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  3. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Women’s Refuge is in the business of raising money for their organisation to spend on it’s core activities – like advertising to raise money.

    Further, a World Health Organisation study in Auckland and Waikato found one in three women experience physical or sexual violence from a partner in their lifetime. …

    No shit? How many if the study was done in more targetted areas. Talk about cherry picking.

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  4. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Try Statistics from North Shore, and in particular say Takapuna. Wonder if the statistics will be similar?

    Research from the UK (undeclared and various sources) is starting to conclude that unsurprisingly domestic violence is in fact roughly equal between the Genders, but that females were twice as likely to subject their Partners to cruel and malicious mental/verbal torture.

    France has just enacted specific legislation to try and deal with this, and it carries 60kEuro maximum fine. In or out of Marriage.

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  5. david (2,482 comments) says:

    Brian,
    Are you suggesting that advertising to raise money is one of the core activities? Sounds a bit like the perpetual motion machine to me if that is the case.

    Advertise to raise money to spend on advertising to raise money to spend on advertising to …………..

    Probably like a lot of “do-good” activities Greenpeace, SPCA, etc etc

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  6. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    One in three women live in Auckland. Thats close enough.

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  7. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Murray (6,136) Says:
    October 5th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    One in three women live in Auckland. Thats close enough.

    So funny and so true! Just shows the shitty statistical blinding that the Commie Pinko special task forces try and use to perpetuate their own individual lifestyles. Those of the rich and famous. never do we see examples of them donating, even for use, even just one of their collection of Houses, that they will have in the extensive Portfolios. Not for good causes or charity. Those fuckers only ever give OTHER people’s money away. they are pure SCUM.

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  8. starriosky (6 comments) says:

    I once hit my wife. We had been married a year, and she became a little hysterical during an argument. In my immaturity, I thought a slap would help her break out of it. It was a totally inappropriate thing to do, and I regretted it immediately. We have now been happily married for 34 years, I have never done anything as foolish again, and I can assure you that my wife does not live in fear. (I am happy for anyone to ask her directly.) However, on the definitions used by the study quoted, apparently she would be included in the statistics. While I deplore domestic violence and support the work of women’s refuges, I am disturbed at how these figures are inappropriately promulgated, and take on the quality of urban legend that is very hard to change.

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  9. Chris2 (703 comments) says:

    It was a split decision and when you read their decision it fails to say which members upheld the complaint, and which did not.

    In fact when you go to their website the members of the Authority are not even identified.

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  10. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    Fantastic to note you have doubled the numbers falsely claimed by the Women’s Refuge lot DPF.

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  11. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Anonymity is the cornerstone of democracy Chris… oh wait no its not.

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  12. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    I’m sick of charities lying to me about the extent of some affliction. If you multiply all the factoid percentages given for various diseases, mental illness, social problems you would get a result that almost no one in this country is healthy, sane and happy. Bullshit. The vast majority of people are doing fine. I’m happy to give but not to liars. All they are doing is normalising what is really fringe behaviour. “Hey that’s not so bad, one in three are doing it.” is going to comfort the abusers much more than pointing out how far they really are from being normal decent people. “Oh shit, I’m in in worst 5% of the population. “.

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  13. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    starriosky – the defination of abuse also includes shouting at spouse and slamming of doors. In that case probably more like 100% of people have suffered abuse.

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  14. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    “In that case probably more like 100% of people have suffered abuse.”

    50%. When women do it to men it does not count.

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  15. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    @BlairM
    I can sympathise with you.
    My brother was tormented in such a way by his seriously psychotic bitch of an (ex) girl friend, he managed to kick her out after many jabs, scratches punches etc aimed at him. He knew he couldn’t retaliate and could have easily dealt to her physically.
    In the end she came back and started systematicly damaging his car with rocks and such, after a few thousand dollars damage he pushed her away……. and yep. he was charged with assault and found guilty. Now has a criminal record.
    Fucking lazy policing with a piss poor legal result.

    I know there are genuine cases but I have a VERY jaundice view of crap stats like this.

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  16. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    The television version repeated the statistic and asked viewers to “stop the abuse before it starts”.

    Why does the above statement remind of the allegation that “All men are rapists”?
    Good grief – next they be accusing men who “think” about hitting their wives/girlfriends of a hate crime against women. Is anyone else as sick and tired of this PC bullshit as I am?

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  17. Pete George (21,790 comments) says:

    Strange think Kris, you are trying to campaign for stopping the abuse before it starts when it suits your agenda. Don’t you think preventing violence against women in relationships is as important as preventing Islamic terrorism?

    There is a difference – terrorism is a possible threat, violence is real and happening now. Many women and children (and men) are victims of violence in NZ, it is one of our biggest actual problems, something that ruins lives daily, and sometimes ends them.

    This campaign did go too far, which can be counter productive. But people beaten by thugs, right here in this country now, don’t think it’s PC bullshit if they get help to find safety.

    The above statement didn’t remind me of the allegation that “All men are rapists” at all. That is a more counterproductive more extreme claim but not associated with this topic.

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  18. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Kris K (3,204) Says:

    October 5th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    The television version repeated the statistic and asked viewers to “stop the abuse before it starts”.

    Why does the above statement remind of the allegation that “All men are rapists”?
    Good grief – next they be accusing men who “think” about hitting their wives/girlfriends of a hate crime against women. Is anyone else as sick and tired of this PC bullshit as I am?

    All I can say is Matthew 5:27-28.

    If it was good enough for Jesus …

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  19. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    It reminds me that NZ has a high number of men and women who get together for a shag, and whoops, there’s a baby. Or those that do get married have been cohabitating for a while and it’s a natural progression from that to the commitment. Both of those situations do not allow for a self-less partnering, therefore the abuse stats are going to reflect that.

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  20. Pete George (21,790 comments) says:

    I’m not sure what you mean Lucia. I haven’t seen anything that indicates that casual relationships are more or less likely to be more or less violent.

    I do know it is now far easier for a partner in a violent relationship to remove themselves from that danger.

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  21. Grendel (873 comments) says:

    and the christians ruin another thread.

    what utter crap to try and imply that not being married makes family abuse more likely.

    now i will accept that women on welfare attracting losers to sponge off them is going to have an abuse statistic on its own, but i know there is plenty of abuse in marriages as there are in defacto relationships.

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  22. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    “and the christians ruin another thread.

    what utter crap to try and imply that not being married makes family abuse more likely.”

    I am not Christian but there is plenty of research to support this.

    I have to go out so no time to find a reference. Maybe others can.

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  23. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    The incidence of accidental or intentional death to children rises as fewer biological parents are responsible for their care. The study I reference make no distinction between married and unmarried – ie between a married biological father and mother and de facto biological father and mother.

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  24. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Two in three woman do live in fear.

    Fear of what?

    Having their benefit cheque stopped?

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  25. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Here’s some research (there’s heaps out there):

    Partner Killing by Men in Cohabiting and Marital Relationships
    A Comparative, Cross-National Analysis of Data From Australia and the United States

    1. Todd K. Shackelford
    1.
    Florida Atlantic University, tshackel@fau.edu

    1. Jenny Mouzos
    1.
    Australian Institute of Criminology, Jenny.Mouzos@aic.gov.au

    Abstract

    Using a national-level U.S. database, T. K. Shackelford (2001) calculated rates of uxoricide (the murder of a woman by her romantic partner) by relationship type (cohabiting or marital), by ages of the partners, and by the age difference between partners. Women in cohabiting relationships were 9 times more likely to be killed by their partner than were married women. Within marriages, the risk of uxoricide decreases with a woman’s age. Within cohabiting relationships, middle-aged women were at greatest risk of uxoricide. The risk of uxoricide increased with greater age difference between partners. We sought to replicate the findings of Shackelford (2001) using a national-level database that includes information on more than 4,400 homicides that occurred in Australia between 1989 and 2002. Despite the higher rate of partner killing in the United States, and despite other cultural differences between the two countries, we replicated key patterns with the Australian data.

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  26. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Women in cohabiting relationships were 9 times more likely to be killed by their partner than were married women doesn’t relly tell us much.

    A horse bet at 2/1 is six times more likely to win a race than a horse rated at 5/1, and yet the pre post favourites win, on average just under 1/3 of all races.

    Far better would be an actual rate of uxoricide per 1000.

    Of course, as with most studies and statistics, correlation does not equal causation. One would also need to examine and understand the motivations in each case.

    And, to keep this thread along the same lines as everything else on kiwiblog, what’s the rate of uxoricide in married christians, atheists, muslims, etc. comapred with the rates in unmarried christians, atheists, muslims, etc.?

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  27. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Cohabitation is bad for men, worse for women, and horrible for children
    Ten Facts reveal it is a deadly toxin to marriage, family, and culture

    10. Cohabitation breeds abuse, violence, and murder: Abuse of children: Rates of serious abuse are lowest in intact families; six times higher in step­families; 14 times higher in always-single-mother families; 20 times higher in cohabiting biological-parent families; and 33 times higher when the mother is cohabiting with a boyfriend who is not the biological father (Crouse, op. cit.). Abuse of women: Compared to a married woman, a cohabiting woman is three times more likely to experience physical aggression (Salari, S.M., Baldwin, B.M., “Verbal, Physical, and Injurious Aggression Among Intimate Couples Over Time,” Journal of Family Issues, May 2002), and nine times more likely to be murdered (Shackelford, T.K., “Cohabitation, Marriage, and Murder: Woman-Killing by Male Romantic Partners,” Aggressive Behavior, vol. 27, 2001). This data is consistent with similar data on children.

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  28. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Jack,

    The underlying causes are related specifically to investing less in the the relationship. A couple that decides to marry for life and doesn’t live together until they are married are making a once in a lifetime decision, so they think carefully about what they are about to do. Cohabitating couples will get together with the knowledge that the relationship is temporary, if it doesn’t work out they can split. The men especially, go into these things with exit strategies in mind, rather than working out how to make the relationship last. The more cohabitations a person goes through, the less reliable they are as a long term partner, because they just don’t know how to do it. There’s an inherent selfishness in a person who decides to cohabit in comparison with someone who marries for life. Marriage requires sacrifice and selflessness, but that demand is not there in cohabitation to the same degree.

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  29. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I once rang up for a job description for a job at our local refuge. One of the requirements of the job was that I had to ”demonstrate a commitment to lesbian visibilty.” They will never get cent from me and I don’t think they should be getting any public monies..and all the ethnic women now in refuges should be being funded by the wealthy members of their own communities.
    Many years ago , I knew one of the lovely women who started women’s refuge in NZ…she was not a lesbian and she would not have wanted this organization to have been hi-jacked by lesbians………..A little truth goes along way.

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  30. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Womins refuge is part of the fractured family business. Big bucks ask any family court lawyer or psycho nutbar. The agenda of lies has ruined New Zealand. Just look at our appalling social statistics!

    Poor kiwi kids.
    RIP Kahui Twins.

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  31. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    “One of the requirements of the job was that I had to ”demonstrate a commitment to lesbian visibilty.”

    That would not have been the refuge where the lesbians helped Gaye Oakes bury her partner after she poisoned him by any chance?
    None of them ended up getting charged.

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  32. Rich Prick (1,319 comments) says:

    “RIP Kahui Twins.”

    Yes, very interesting coronial proceedings, it was one or the other, and I think I have decided who. Not sure, even after having read the transcripts, why the jury thought otherwise. For every Peter Ellis there is a Chris Kahui, I suppose.

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  33. annie (533 comments) says:

    I heard the head of the Women’s Refuge and one of her apologists on National Radio this afternoon. Both were defending the use of “satistics”, and referring to the “extrapolation” of the figures to arrive at the one-in-three-living-in-fear claim. I also got the impression that the survey they were using may have been one where the participants were self-selected.

    Shades of the one-in-4-abused-by-their-fathers of the 1980s, bought to you by the Mental Health Foundation (aka Miriam Saphira at the time) and a Women’s Weekly mail-in survey.

    The Refuges do a good job, but this is entirely too much. No more money from me until they stop demonising men in general. And lying.

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  34. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird
    It WAS in ChCh.

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  35. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    joana, please clarify. The Gaye Oaks case was in Christchurch. Was the refuge you mentioned also in Chch?

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  36. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Just shows the shitty statistical blinding that the Commie Pinko special task forces try and use to perpetuate their own individual lifestyles.

    WTF are you smoking? I thought this thread was about the Womens’ Refuge?

    next they be accusing men who “think” about hitting their wives/girlfriends of a hate crime against women. Is anyone else as sick and tired of this PC bullshit as I am?

    And “they” would “be” right. If you’re thinking about hitting your wife/girlfriend you need to sort your shit out.

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  37. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird
    Yes it was in CHCH ..it was about six years ago..I am fairly sure I would still have this job description in my boxes somewhere..it would probably take me a month of Sundays to find it..
    When I told one woman about it , not long afterwards she said I should go to the Press with it..About that time in CHCh they were having a big appeal for Women’s Refuge and I wondered how many people would want to donate to this org. knowing that the staff were supposed to make a commitment to lesbian visibilty.

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