SPADA v MEAA

October 29th, 2010 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

I don’t know if anyone out there actually still believes a word the or CTU has said re dispute, so this is probably flogging a dead horse. But the rebuttal of the MEAA newsletter by SPADA is so good, that it deserves a bigger audience:

1. MEAA Position:

“NZ Equity has also sought to bargain with the screen producers association . For a variety of reasons none of these attempts have been successful.”

SPADA Response:

It is surprising that these ‘variety of reasons’ are not specified in their newsletter to members. …

SPADA initially offered to meet with NZ Actors’ Equity in February 2009 to discuss the Code of Practice for the Engagement of Cast in the New Zealand Screen Production Industry dated 6 June 2005 (and more commonly known as the “Pink Book”). Subsequently SPADA offered to meet on a non agenda basis to have an open discussion in good faith.

However NZ Actors’ Equity would only agree to meet to discuss an industry wide agreement containing conditions of employment no less favourable than those in Australia to be negotiated by the MEAA. This was unworkable given SPADA, as has been confirmed by the Attorney General, cannot legally enter into a union negotiated agreement.

So MEAA all along has refused to meet or negotiate unless an illegal demand was met.

2. MEAA Position:

“All NZ Equity sought was to meet with the production and discuss the conditions under which performers would be engaged.”

SPADA Response:

All the polite chit chat about having a ‘cup of tea’ is a fantasy. The boycott (because that’s exactly what it was), began back in June. Well before the ‘cup of tea’ suggestions.

At a meeting believed to be n in June 2010, the FIA resolved as follows:

Resolved, that the International Federation of Actors urges each of its affiliates to adopt instructions to their members that no member of any FIA affiliate will agree to act in the theatrical film The Hobbit until such time as the producer has entered into a collective bargaining agreement with the Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance for production in New Zealand providing for satisfactory terms and conditions for all performers employed on the productions.”

At this point the production had not issued any final performer’s contracts. Accordingly, neither MEAA nor FIA had any reason to believe that performers wouldn’t be contracted on “satisfactory terms and conditions”. They were prepared to boycott without any justification. Those terms and conditions have subsequently been found to be satisfactory by the NZ actors cast in roles.

So they resolved to have a boycott in June 2010, prior to even seeing a contract. And Labour and the unions dare talk about good faith bargaining.

3. MEAA Position:

“The Board formed the view that in the interests of harmony between cast and crew and for the sake of the NZ screen industry the commitments made in discussions with SPADA were significant enough to justify ending the dispute with The Hobbit.”

SPADA response:

What SPADA agreed recently is exactly what we’ve been trying to achieve for some time. What SPADA “committed to” is to meet. What MEAA have achieved is what they would have got if they had sat down with us over 18 months.

The inability admit they were wrong is staggering.

7. MEAA Position:

“In the past the conditions set out in the Pink Book have been completely disregarded by producers.”

SPADA Response:

Not true and no examples have ever been given by union.

This claim has been repeated by Labour friendly journalists, and others. Has anyone asked MEAA to cite examples? If not, why not?

9. MEAA Position:

“Our actions in no way jeopardised the filming of The Hobbit in New Zealand.”

SPADA Response:

Patently not true… and not believed by the NZ public as per public opinion polls

Simon Whipp would make a good President for Iran – I could just see him denying there ever was a Holocaust. He seems to be able to say the most false things with conviction.

11. MEAA Position:

“New Zealand performers approached this issue in a calm and professional manner and have every reason to be extremely proud of themselves.”

Oh that is just too funny by far. They should do stand up comedy!

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29 Responses to “SPADA v MEAA”

  1. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    “Simon Whipp would make a good President for Iran ”

    Yeah, then we could hang his ass too.

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  2. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    What really raises my ire is that now we see the main stream media starting to come down on the side of the unions in this issue, as is referenced by the editorial in this mornings Herald. I could almost stomach that if just one person from the CTU, Actors Equity, or even, god forbid, the MEAA actually came forward and admitted they were wrong.

    Instead, we get Helen Kelly insisting, despite all the accumulated evidence to the contrary, that the CTU and it’s associates acted appropriately.

    I listed to some of the debate in Parliament last night, and got to hear the wailing of Russell Norman, figuratively beating his chest about how the National Party had sold our sovreignty to Warner Bros. I was struck by the irony of an Australian in our parliament, questioning how a New Zealand government handled a problem that was handed to him courtesy of an Australian based union acting illegally in our country.

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  3. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    And stone his wife.

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  4. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    Right of way is Way of Right

    Great point.

    Deport both of those aussie pricks.

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  5. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Unfortunately this just has to continue to play out now. The unions have backed themselves into such a corner that there is just no way out for them any longer. Their only hope is to continue the same lame, false story in the hope they will convince enough of their traditional support base so as not to see their medium to long-term support eroded. The MSM are a very useful tool for them.

    It is important that the collective “we” continue to remind anyone who might read or listen that the union’s story is so full of holes it’s only practical use is as a sieve.

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  6. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Slightly off-topic, but is anyone else’s suspicions raised that Simon Whipp and co are suddenly complaining about death threats being made against them?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/10/oh-really.html

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  7. gazzmaniac (2,270 comments) says:

    I2: Nobody forced them to pick a fight with one of NZ’s favourite men. They can’t complain now that everyone hates them.
    I hope there’s a mass resignation from the union movement over this.

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  8. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    I was watching the debate on PTV but after listening to Daffy and Beamont (a couple of times) Moroney and Hippy, I couldn’t stand it any longer.

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  9. BeaB (1,958 comments) says:

    Don’t worry. The unions, with the help of Labour and the Greens, will soon re-tell the story with the nasty Tories as the real villains. Just read the Herald this morning – the editorial, Emmerson’s cartoon (that man really hates John Key) and the letters.

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  10. Nigel (503 comments) says:

    I should not really say this, but the death threats that have been claimed to be received, is there any actual proof of them ?.

    It’s a sad world when you can’t trust even that, but given the history of lies who knows with this lot.

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  11. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    IV2, no not surprised at all. It is a standard tactic to try and present themselves as the victim. Implying they must have been right and the VRRC is out to get them. Viz Sue Bradford trying the same.

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  12. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Anyone keeping a list of the journalists who struggle with the truth? I’d be nice to have some accountability and expose party lines. I don’t care what side they’re on as long as it raises the standard of journalism in New Zealand.

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  13. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Deflect and blame. Standard behaviour.

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  14. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Does NZ actually have any media, individually or ‘in toto’, that does not slavishly toe the socialist line?

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  15. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Since the key players are all in Oz are we to assume that the team at Weta are having a bake sale to raise funds for an international hit man now?

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  16. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Are these death threats to Robyn Malcolm as much a real and present danger as those dangerous members of the public that required the police escort from the restaurant.

    It must be remembered at all times that this woman is an actress. She makes a living by telling a lie and doing it believably and living within that lie.

    Also, isn’t she based in Australia now. Maybe she was always going to sell the house and now she gets to play a sympathy card too.

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  17. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    An excellent fisking by SPADA – I said on the Aug 17 letter thread that Orwell would be turning in his grave over the union double speak and that if union spinning was yarn they’d have spun enough to knit jerseys for every kid in China!

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  18. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t the MEAA & CTU try a radical approach and tell the truth ? Mallard might care to try the same approach. Lying in the face of facts is slightly bizarre.

    Equally death threats and some of vile stuff that has been written on threads here is equally offensive.

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  19. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Yes being critical of lying assed bastards attempting to commit economic terroism is the same as a death threat John.

    Must be lonley up there on your moral pinicle of self rightousness.

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  20. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    On a more positive note.
    My rough calculations suggests that the additional sweeteners for Warners equate to the extra costs of producing in NZ given the collapse of the US dollar.
    Much of the tension has occurred because of the nature of “Socratic” contracts. Socrates and Confucius lived at about the same time. Socrates established the supremacy of the rule of law by committing suicide rather than break the law. Confucius had little faith in the rule of law and promoted the rule of virtue and harmony.
    A “Confucian” contact always opens with a statement that the parties intend to work to mutual benefit. This is the most important clause in the contract. In a Socratic contract it is dismissed as preamble. Its the lines that count. Let me tell a true story.
    An Australian company was shipping scrap metal to Japan. They entered a contract on price etc and sent off the scrap. Half was to Japan the currency moved hugely in Australia’s favour. The Aussies cracked open the champagne and celebrated their new found gains. (There was no currency clause in the contract.) Finally the ship arrived in Japan but the port was busy and no room to berth. This went on for weeks until the Aussies benefits had been whittled away by the costs of delay. So with much muttering about thieving Japanese the Aussies negotiated a mutallly beneficial rate. The then while the second shipload was in midstream the currency swung hugely in favour of the Japanese.
    The Japanese phoned the Aussies and suggested they should renegotiate the price to maintain mutual benefit and the harmony of the original contract.
    They still do business.

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  21. niggly (779 comments) says:

    Ahh, the “beauty” of the continual lies from MEAA, CTU and Labour is …. them keeping up the lying!

    These turkeys may be trying to re-write history …. but the fact is, thousands of film industry workers (and the public) know the truth and the continual lies from Labour and the Unions will hopefully see the film industry workers, their families and friends etc, confirm that Labour and the Unions simply can’t be trusted come election time!

    Roll on 2011, 2014, 2017, 2020, 2023 …… :-)

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  22. trueblue (23 comments) says:

    “I was watching the debate on PTV but after listening to Daffy and Beamont (a couple of times) Moroney and Hippy, I couldn’t stand it any longer.”

    Trevor Mallard: Point of Order
    Speaker: The Hon Trevor Mallard
    Trevor Mallard: I want an apoplogy from Tau Henare
    Speaker: I didn’t hear what he said
    Trevor Mallard: He siad I need Rogered, which I take offence to.
    Speaker: I don’t understand what that means.

    Gold

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  23. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Reminds you of the scene in Much Ado About Nothing where the town constable is so damn stupid no one can understand what the hells he talking about.

    Michael Keton did a good job of it.

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  24. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    I don’t know which is worse – the bald faced and ongoing lies of the MEAA, CTU, Helen Kelly et al, OR the corrupt Marxist MSM who continue to perpetrate the lies by their completely one sided presentation of the ‘facts’.

    When are we going to get a New Zealand version of FOX to bring some balance to what gets presented as ‘news’ in this country. Man I get sick of lying Leftard Marxist scum!!!

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  25. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Kris K “Man I get sick of lying Leftard Marxist scum!!!”

    “In·ter·net Fuck·wad Syn·drome, n. An Internet disorder where the patient, while acting under the anonymity of an Internet identity, proceeds to act in a manor both disparaging and embarrassing if said individual were to conduct himself in such a way in RL. The pathology of this disorder stems from the intoxicating effect of freedom from repercussion when violating societal values and morals anonymity can provide. With no perceived penalty for prepubescent, immature behaviour, weaker individuals lose all inhibition, and proceed to mindlessly annoy, harass, abuse, and assault their peers whilst online. The pathology is succinctly described through John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (Penny Arcade; “Green Blackboards (And Other Anomalies)”; 2004/03/19) Symptoms include, but are not limited to: ·Trolling; ·Posting irreverent, shallow criticisms or comments on YouTube; ·Arguing with an admin on any site; ·Liberally using racial slurs; ·Backing up the use of racial slurs with equally racist rationalizations; ·Creating and distributing Spam”

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  26. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    John Gibson 11:56 am,

    Kris K “Man I get sick of lying Leftard Marxist scum!!!”

    Speaking of which …
    And I’d have absolutely no qualms about saying that to your face.

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  27. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Kris K – “And I’d have absolutely no qualms about saying that to your face.” -Yeah Right

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  28. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Shit John is on the turps already. Might start early on Fridays.

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  29. CharlieBrown (792 comments) says:

    Isn’t what they saying defamation? Why doesn’t SPADA sue them?

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