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	<title>Comments on: Trevor on local body results</title>
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		<title>By: s.russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751490</link>
		<dc:creator>s.russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Trevor,  the people of New Zealand are rising up in a great wave to expel National from power. This is shown by Labour&#039;s meteoric rise in the polls to 32.6% (TV3 Monday night)! National&#039;s 53.8% was a clerical error. The decimal point got misplaced. Right, Trev?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Trevor,  the people of New Zealand are rising up in a great wave to expel National from power. This is shown by Labour&#8217;s meteoric rise in the polls to 32.6% (TV3 Monday night)! National&#8217;s 53.8% was a clerical error. The decimal point got misplaced. Right, Trev?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751285</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Tev thinks anything labour is a &quot;nightmare&quot; for Key then hes the president of freaken fantasy land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Tev thinks anything labour is a &#8220;nightmare&#8221; for Key then hes the president of freaken fantasy land.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great to see that Bill Daly, veteran Holocaust denier and proponent of racial segregation, was routed in West Auckland, finishing last:
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/09/bill-daly-super-bigot-for-super-city.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see that Bill Daly, veteran Holocaust denier and proponent of racial segregation, was routed in West Auckland, finishing last:<br />
<a href="http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/09/bill-daly-super-bigot-for-super-city.html" rel="nofollow">http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/09/bill-daly-super-bigot-for-super-city.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gavfaemonty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751215</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavfaemonty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No-one can blame Labour leaders from talking up good news, but 

- people don&#039;t vote on party lines at local level
- most people don&#039;t even vote at local level
- by definition local issues are more about society and people are more attracted to social(ist) solutions
- (it is widely perceived that) Len might be a face-slapping loon, but (it is widely perceived that) John Banks is a cnut (90s radio show anyone?)
- the average thoughtful Wellingtonian isn&#039;t a greenie, just isn&#039;t; they&#039;ve just had enough of Kerry
- and so on...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-one can blame Labour leaders from talking up good news, but </p>
<p>- people don&#8217;t vote on party lines at local level<br />
- most people don&#8217;t even vote at local level<br />
- by definition local issues are more about society and people are more attracted to social(ist) solutions<br />
- (it is widely perceived that) Len might be a face-slapping loon, but (it is widely perceived that) John Banks is a cnut (90s radio show anyone?)<br />
- the average thoughtful Wellingtonian isn&#8217;t a greenie, just isn&#8217;t; they&#8217;ve just had enough of Kerry<br />
- and so on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hmmokrightitis</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751150</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmokrightitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im a New Plymouth voter.  The choices for those on the right were very limited, and Ive spoken to a number of people who - like me - would no more vote left than eat their own poop.  But our choices were limited.  

John R: arrogant idiot who was going to take money from arts and libraries and put it into a car festival.  Moronic.

Horse manure: semi literate prat.

I voted Harry (god, do I have to say that?) simply because he was the least bad option AND because a vote for anyone else was a vote for an idiot like John R or Horse Manure.  Harry will be a safe unimaginative pair of hands after years of the brilliance of Mayor Pete.  He will look like what he is - a pale shadow of what a good mayor should be - bounding energy in promoting the city and bringing about local change that isnt policy focussed.

And if the left see this as a victory for &#039;their way&#039;, they are delusional.

Maybe they are ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im a New Plymouth voter.  The choices for those on the right were very limited, and Ive spoken to a number of people who &#8211; like me &#8211; would no more vote left than eat their own poop.  But our choices were limited.  </p>
<p>John R: arrogant idiot who was going to take money from arts and libraries and put it into a car festival.  Moronic.</p>
<p>Horse manure: semi literate prat.</p>
<p>I voted Harry (god, do I have to say that?) simply because he was the least bad option AND because a vote for anyone else was a vote for an idiot like John R or Horse Manure.  Harry will be a safe unimaginative pair of hands after years of the brilliance of Mayor Pete.  He will look like what he is &#8211; a pale shadow of what a good mayor should be &#8211; bounding energy in promoting the city and bringing about local change that isnt policy focussed.</p>
<p>And if the left see this as a victory for &#8216;their way&#8217;, they are delusional.</p>
<p>Maybe they are <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[members of his community gave him gold coins I2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>members of his community gave him gold coins I2</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751117</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Len Brown; a hush-hush dinner at an Italian restaurant; a big-money campaign with no expense spared. Hmmm; who IS financing Len Brown?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len Brown; a hush-hush dinner at an Italian restaurant; a big-money campaign with no expense spared. Hmmm; who IS financing Len Brown?</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751092</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new Porirua Mayor does not look like a leftie to me.  Also none of the successful &quot;leftie&quot; candidates aligned themselves to Labour.  Local issues predominated.  Labour politicians kept themselves in the background.  And in Wellington it was a Green candidate that may win.  But then Labour like to think Green politicians are &quot;theirs&quot; for the asking.  I am not so sure Green politicians see it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Porirua Mayor does not look like a leftie to me.  Also none of the successful &#8220;leftie&#8221; candidates aligned themselves to Labour.  Local issues predominated.  Labour politicians kept themselves in the background.  And in Wellington it was a Green candidate that may win.  But then Labour like to think Green politicians are &#8220;theirs&#8221; for the asking.  I am not so sure Green politicians see it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751072</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 04:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;By “best analyst” you mean his name starts with the letter “C”.&quot;

Thank you for the smile. So sadly true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By “best analyst” you mean his name starts with the letter “C”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for the smile. So sadly true.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom101</title>
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		<dc:creator>freedom101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 04:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hutt Mayor David Ogden was never involved with ACT.    I am surprised that just because Trevor says it you repeat it as true.  Haven&#039;t you learnt by now not to trust anything that Trevor says?

One thing that is true is that the ex-Labour MP and ex-Hutt Mayor John Terris, and one of the nastiest pieces of work you would ever have the misfortune to have to deal with, has been heaved from the Hutt Mana Charitable Trust and failed to get on the Regional Council.  He did make it to the DHB.  You didn&#039;t see Trevor blogging and bragging about that, even though it was true (which is perhaps why it did not make his blog).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hutt Mayor David Ogden was never involved with ACT.    I am surprised that just because Trevor says it you repeat it as true.  Haven&#8217;t you learnt by now not to trust anything that Trevor says?</p>
<p>One thing that is true is that the ex-Labour MP and ex-Hutt Mayor John Terris, and one of the nastiest pieces of work you would ever have the misfortune to have to deal with, has been heaved from the Hutt Mana Charitable Trust and failed to get on the Regional Council.  He did make it to the DHB.  You didn&#8217;t see Trevor blogging and bragging about that, even though it was true (which is perhaps why it did not make his blog).</p>
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		<title>By: unaha-closp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751043</link>
		<dc:creator>unaha-closp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;One of Wellington’s best analysts David Choat got elected to the DHB&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By &quot;best analyst&quot; you mean his name starts with the letter &quot;C&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of Wellington’s best analysts David Choat got elected to the DHB</p></blockquote>
<p>By &#8220;best analyst&#8221; you mean his name starts with the letter &#8220;C&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: lastmanstanding</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751036</link>
		<dc:creator>lastmanstanding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lenny ( eveything goes on the Council credit card) Brown and his leftie mates will raise rates in the non favoured suburbs and hold or reduce them in the favoured suburbs.

So those dumbarses who voted for him in the North and East and part of the Central city will wonder why their rates will increase at least at double the rate of inflation over the next 3 years.

Cause Lenny wants to have lots of money to buy a choo choo set. Like BILLIONS of $ and you idiots have given him the mandate to do so.

So dont start whining when you next rate bill arrives because lastmanstanding told you what would happen BEFORE the election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenny ( eveything goes on the Council credit card) Brown and his leftie mates will raise rates in the non favoured suburbs and hold or reduce them in the favoured suburbs.</p>
<p>So those dumbarses who voted for him in the North and East and part of the Central city will wonder why their rates will increase at least at double the rate of inflation over the next 3 years.</p>
<p>Cause Lenny wants to have lots of money to buy a choo choo set. Like BILLIONS of $ and you idiots have given him the mandate to do so.</p>
<p>So dont start whining when you next rate bill arrives because lastmanstanding told you what would happen BEFORE the election.</p>
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		<title>By: m@tt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751030</link>
		<dc:creator>m@tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now they have a period of time which they can use to get some real right wing rhetoric out there and then go forward on this when its election time again. This starts by dumping all the centrists who profess to oppose the left now, and who failed so miserably, and replacing them with people who can articulate political points of view that confront the left.&quot;

This won&#039;t happen because the majority of this country, thankfully, would never back true right wing ideals.  Face it, NZ has a left-centrist population and will do so for the foreseeable future.  The best hope you have for a true right-wing government is to try and engineer low voter turn outs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now they have a period of time which they can use to get some real right wing rhetoric out there and then go forward on this when its election time again. This starts by dumping all the centrists who profess to oppose the left now, and who failed so miserably, and replacing them with people who can articulate political points of view that confront the left.&#8221;</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t happen because the majority of this country, thankfully, would never back true right wing ideals.  Face it, NZ has a left-centrist population and will do so for the foreseeable future.  The best hope you have for a true right-wing government is to try and engineer low voter turn outs.</p>
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		<title>By: tankyman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751012</link>
		<dc:creator>tankyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Mallard is clapping his lands at the labour mayor (who didnt campaign as a labour person) - hes very quite about a person who DID campaign under a labour &#039;tick&#039; and is facing some jail time.

Just like philip field - pretending it didnt happen.  

He is a gutless worm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Mallard is clapping his lands at the labour mayor (who didnt campaign as a labour person) &#8211; hes very quite about a person who DID campaign under a labour &#8216;tick&#8217; and is facing some jail time.</p>
<p>Just like philip field &#8211; pretending it didnt happen.  </p>
<p>He is a gutless worm.</p>
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		<title>By: bhudson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/trevor_on_local_body_results.html/comment-page-1#comment-751000</link>
		<dc:creator>bhudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 50% voter response for a decision as important as this - first up Super City mayoralty??? Pretty pathetic when you consider it.  Auckland certainly did get the result it deserved if that is the state of the &#039;turnout&#039; (irrespective of which way it had gone.)

Has anyone looked at the stats to find indicators as to where the &#039;non-turnout&#039; vote may have laid? Was it likely to be more right favoured or more left? There was a great deal of commentary as to how Brown &amp; his team moblised the South Auckland vote (even without Singh&#039;s help.)  Was this loss - 60,000 votes - as simple as Banks &amp; team failing to mobilse more voters (as voters who didn&#039;t voter were right voters)? [perhaps coupled with the 3rd place getter, who would certianly have grabbed more votes off banks than Brown.] 

For clarification on that question - If the &#039;non-voters&#039; were principally left then Banks mobilising voters generally would not have helped, whereas if they were mostly right-leaning, then simply mobilising a greater turnout of any voters would have helped him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 50% voter response for a decision as important as this &#8211; first up Super City mayoralty??? Pretty pathetic when you consider it.  Auckland certainly did get the result it deserved if that is the state of the &#8216;turnout&#8217; (irrespective of which way it had gone.)</p>
<p>Has anyone looked at the stats to find indicators as to where the &#8216;non-turnout&#8217; vote may have laid? Was it likely to be more right favoured or more left? There was a great deal of commentary as to how Brown &amp; his team moblised the South Auckland vote (even without Singh&#8217;s help.)  Was this loss &#8211; 60,000 votes &#8211; as simple as Banks &amp; team failing to mobilse more voters (as voters who didn&#8217;t voter were right voters)? [perhaps coupled with the 3rd place getter, who would certianly have grabbed more votes off banks than Brown.] </p>
<p>For clarification on that question &#8211; If the &#8216;non-voters&#8217; were principally left then Banks mobilising voters generally would not have helped, whereas if they were mostly right-leaning, then simply mobilising a greater turnout of any voters would have helped him</p>
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		<title>By: John Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Redbaiter - so when is the Crusader Rabbit party going to leave the burrow and enter the political fray ?

Looking at your site you could push all the right wing hot buttons: global warming, taxation, education, immigration, gay marriage and education. Time to stop being an armchair expert - throwing clods of earth at the players from the sideline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter &#8211; so when is the Crusader Rabbit party going to leave the burrow and enter the political fray ?</p>
<p>Looking at your site you could push all the right wing hot buttons: global warming, taxation, education, immigration, gay marriage and education. Time to stop being an armchair expert &#8211; throwing clods of earth at the players from the sideline.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 02:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF, however Hide and Key pushed the new rating system off until 2012 to give their boy Banksie and themselves cover and distance from the election next year. Same goes for Brown, I would have thought. I note that Tory George Woods is blathering today about wanting the new system sorted by Christmas this year, loyal foot soldier that he is. But far too transparent to stand a hope of getting traction on that little scam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF, however Hide and Key pushed the new rating system off until 2012 to give their boy Banksie and themselves cover and distance from the election next year. Same goes for Brown, I would have thought. I note that Tory George Woods is blathering today about wanting the new system sorted by Christmas this year, loyal foot soldier that he is. But far too transparent to stand a hope of getting traction on that little scam.</p>
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		<title>By: adze</title>
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		<dc:creator>adze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 02:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dinner with the Mayor at Volare&quot; raffle?  :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dinner with the Mayor at Volare&#8221; raffle?  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: backster</title>
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		<dc:creator>backster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DAVIDP.........Brown must have had some fairly serious money behind him to afford his advertising and I don’t think we’ve been told where it came from yet. 

He probably put it on his council card.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVIDP&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Brown must have had some fairly serious money behind him to afford his advertising and I don’t think we’ve been told where it came from yet. </p>
<p>He probably put it on his council card.</p>
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		<title>By: kowtow</title>
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		<dc:creator>kowtow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 02:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have thought the &quot;apathy/sheeple party&quot; was the big winner with some 50 % not even bothered,how shameful is that?

Is Thompson a Labour Party activist? He ran on the Greater Dunedin ticket. Is it time for openness and honesty in local politics too? Is this why 50 % can&#039;t be bothered,we don&#039;t really know who we are getting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought the &#8220;apathy/sheeple party&#8221; was the big winner with some 50 % not even bothered,how shameful is that?</p>
<p>Is Thompson a Labour Party activist? He ran on the Greater Dunedin ticket. Is it time for openness and honesty in local politics too? Is this why 50 % can&#8217;t be bothered,we don&#8217;t really know who we are getting?</p>
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