Carmel says National is ending race based funding
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:00 am by David FarrarLabour List MP Carmel Sepuloni has blogged that National is ending race based funding. She is very very unhappy about this.
I urge her to keep blogging on this topic. Not just blogging though. I think Labour should launch a major campaign complaining that National is ending race based funding.
Now as it happens National isn’t, but the truth has never got in the way of a good Labour campaign. Remember their GST campaign?
So please Labour rev up the campaign bus, and stick up the billboards, all using Carmel’s slogan that John Key is ending race based funding.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
If only they would!!
The gutless, spineless jellyfish Key would never do such a thing though, as it might cost him half-a-dozen votes.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 am
Of course National has race-based funding. And so does Labour – it doesn’t matter which party is in Govt.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 am
Fletch
That statement is true of pretty much every single one of National’s policy positions.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am
Oh but to end race-based funding would be racist…….
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:29 am
i saw that and thought much the same. Maybe she should be asked why we should have race based funding and why a poor tongan may not receive certain beenfits while a poor 1/16th maori can? (all other matters being equal)
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
from red blert…
big bruv says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Getting close to a ban ..Trevor
oh do tell BB what caused this outburst from the lame duck…
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
One can also idly speculate if the ability of PI families to support their own would change significantly in the event that families didn’t tithe themselves into a state of poverty.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am
Also curious starboard. I seem to have been banned and I’m not sure if I ever said anything offensive other than the truth.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 am
@ David. Unless you are a cheerleader for whatever they say (Like the generally drunken Spudtard) and dare disagree with anything they say you go into moderation.
Do it twice – you get edited post and called a troll and they make it look like your comment was offensive.
Do it again – you get banned.
Its the way of the left.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am
The truth is offensive to socialists david.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 am
david, you should know the truth is off-limits at Red Alert. The Left sees the truth not as fact or fiction, right or wrong, but as something to be twisted and manipulated to sell their snake-oil.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 am
What I did wonder is why she’s plainly calling it ‘race-based funding’, when surely this is the language that National would be using if they wanted to make it an issue (see: Don Brash(?)), while Labour would surely be using a nice-sounding euphemism like…crap, I dont know, ‘positive discrimination’ or some such thing. Another reason DPF would probably like Carmel to keep going with this – the language plays right into National’s (assuming they want this) hands.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 am
After Clark’s arrogance and blatant dishonesty, I think most of us voted for a change in personnel, not so much a change in policy. By National moving left, and Labour having to move even left-er, National is continuing to receive the majority of the voters’ approval. This is how they will stay in Government. But if you’re looking for drastic right of center changes, I wouldn’t hold your breath.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 am
Speak for yourself, labours policies bankrupted the country and mired us in PD racist BS.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 am
And if National were to end race-based funding, I would care why?
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 am
One can only keep hoping that one day this will be true.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Why do we have race based anything? I thought this was a democracy where all citizens were equal before the law. Silly me.
As to government spending there seems to be no democratic govt in the world that is prepared to cut spending unless the shit hits the fan and external pressure is brought ;see Greece, Ireland etc.
They all know what has to be done but govts and electorates seem to lack moral fibre. If a prudent household balances it’s books and lives within it’s means then why can’t govts? Rhetorical; we are addicted to debt and lifestyles we can’t afford!
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
suzie q Agree It would be so nice to live in a country that isnt racist and where all citizens are treated equally and the law and rules apply to all. It would nice to have a Parliament that isnt based on race.
It would be nice to see the Police apply laws so that just as whites who occupy land they dont have legal title to are arrested and charged and locked up whereas as people from another race are allowed to occupy with the Police and governments tact approval.
It would be nice to live in a country where the Race Relations Commissioner doesnt refer to ones grandfather as a being like the Taleban and then when ordered to apologise does so out of the corner of his mouth
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm
For your edification, my comment in the Red Alert discussion thread:
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
***Why do we have race based anything? I thought this was a democracy where all citizens were equal before the law.***
Because a number of western countries are committed to racial group equality of outcome. This is difficult because groups have different cultural and evolutionary backgrounds, so you need discriminatory programmes to create equality (this is also the case in Malaysia with affirmative action for the majority Malay population to compete with the minority Chinese).
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
The Malays will never be equal to the Chinese…The only news of the Malays recently is that their suicide rate is skyrocketing.
Vote:All those advantages haven’t done them any favours.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
BobR
that isn’t necessarily true.
Malays are deemed Muslim by birth regardless of the parents religion.
Similarly if you are not a Muslim Malay you are discriminated against not because of inequalities in the past but because you are not Muslim.
This is a central tenant of Sharia law as a non Muslim you are a kaffir and not equal to a Muslim woman even, legally, socially or constitutionally.
I do urge you to read http://www.politicalislam.com and the links to the Koran, Sira and the Hadiths.
I could connect you with some Malaysian citizens (in Wtn) who came here because of the descrimination against them for Uni and jobs and govt funding.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
I love Red Ablert – it makes me laugh. I read it regularly. Pathetic doesn’t come into it – but fun to read.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
bobr
were you being serious when you said we need discriminatory programs to creats equlity,or just taking the piss?
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
***kowtow (707) Says:
were you being serious when you said we need discriminatory programs to creats equlity,or just taking the p1ss?***
I am trying to explain why these programmes exist, not whether they _should_ exist.
If you make group equality of outcome a goal then they become inevitable. This is because equality of outcome is unlikely to occur otherwise because, groups have diverse cultures and evolutionary histories.
I think that the most governments can aim for is equal opportunity through access to education, healthcare and other basics. Equal opportunity should not be confused with equal outcomes though. For instance you could provide equal opportunity for people to play rugby, but there will still be group disparities in numbers who make the All Blacks.
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 3:08 pm
What, you mean the whiter shade of pale mob will only get what darkies get in compensation for when they are thrown off hori owned land.
Vote:Seems the wrong way to treat the pakeha.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:44 pm
I’ve been banned on three computers by Mallard, I’m down to just my home laptop, each time my comment was pretty harmless…
Here is what I said on RA:
At first when I read the headline I thought she was going to say what a good thing cutting it was…
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
***I am a r*cist because I don’t think Maori, PI, Chinese, Indian, South American or Martian people are inherently worse at school and need more help than anyone else..?
I am a immoral person because I think we shouldn’t be taking money by force from one race to give to another..?***
The difficult question though, is what if groups do differ on average because of biodiversity? For instance, say if Chinese students did tend to have a natural ability in math (on average), would that justify ‘positive discrimination’? I don’t think it would.
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2007/01/metric-on-space-of-genomes-and.html
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I couldn’t believe it when I saw how they (at Red Alert) rounded on one of their own (RRM) like a pack of rabid dogs. Sure RRM is a moderate leftie and will need to grow past the cusp of youthful socialism before he truly becomes acceptable to the VRWC but at least you can have a discussion with him generally without it becoming vicious and personal.
As such you have to have grudging respect for his willingness to defend his beliefs but the bared teeth snarling that started when he identified racism as against his principles was a feature to behold in wonderment.
In context though I would wonder how he (RRM) can hold Helen in such high esteem when she led the pack with those unfogettable lines about “cancerous and corrosive”, “feral inbreeds” followed closely by that guardian of the LP financial policy with “rich prick”, ” ….. eat that” etc
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Why thank you david, I know that’s high praise from a rightie.
I explained why I liked the Clark/Cullen Govt better than their current offering in my 1:08pm post on their forum, for all the good that did.
I despair of current Labour, they are going to get their arse handed to them at the next general election and they just don’t want to know. I hope the leaders aren’t swayed the nutters on their forum too much. I shall probably be voting Green in any case…
Vote:November 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 pm
National is no better – they are just slightly more clever about hiding their racism. I was reading an article today about how all electoral system reviews that come out of the upcoming referendums on electoral reform will exclude the question of the maori seats. And people think they can trust the spineless rat of a PM we have?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10689427
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