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It’s very true the current government lacks the courage to start reversing this sad state of affairs, so New Zealand appears destined to continue sinking in the mire of state-sponsored welfare and mediocrity.
Smile and wave Key and the National Party, a.k.a. Labour-lite, are an abject failure.
“that was no other than Key who leaked Brash’s emails to Nicky Hager?”
I think you may well find that Don Brash is a bit more cunning than that, I would be willing to wager that Key had nothing to do with the leaked emails, however, if you look at the person who sits just to the left of Key in the house then you might be a bit closer to the mark.
This is as much of an attack on English as it is on Key, Brash is never going to come out and openly attack English as it would reopen all those old wounds about Brash’s rise to the leadership of the National party and his subsequent demise.
I have always maintained that English is a real danger to the Nat’s and the right, English believes he should be PM, nothing short of him being kicked out of the house is ever going to change that.
Amusing how many are in favour of a few pakeha getting over a billion for those pakeha taking risks in putting their money in the wrong bloody place.
But the same people are against less money being dished out to horis for land stolen, strange.
Oh, and for those of you who believe we have to do something about those bloody hories, drop into Linton and have a look at who mans the teeth arms, it is not wimps who support ACT.
ACT supporters would do something about hories, believe me we hories would enjoy that, be careful of what you extreme types wish for, you may get it.
“ACT supporters would do something about hories, believe me we hories would enjoy that, be careful of what you extreme types wish for, you may get it.”
An incoherent rant. So early on a Monday morning and you’re already on the piss, grumpy.
Great to read the criticism of John Key on this blog and the visceral hatred on The Standard. This means that John Key et al are failing to please the far left 10% and the far right 10% thus pleasing 80%.
Amusing how many Maori are overt racist and in favor of racist based laws and funding.
Apartheid is good when its brown.
I don’t need to “drop into Linton”, I’ve already got over a decade of teeth arms time you winney assed little whinger.
Fuck me now its there are some Maori in the infantry so give us shit. How do you stack the bullshit that high and live with yourself. At a minimum you’re in violation of your oath to HTMQ if you’re a serving soldier and publicy pushing a seperatist agenda.
Grumpy – I will be surprised if there were not a fair number of Hori’s with money in those investment funds that were bailed out. All of those at the top of the grievance tree have to have put their ill gotten gains somewhere because they don’t return it to their fellow Hori’s down the chain do they.
Chuck Bird so is Garrett going to be there to give advice of how to steal the identity of a child ?
You know the the crime he committed that ACT MPs knew about when they picked him to be their next great MP.
Wonder what if any crime the latest ACT MP has commited ?
Strange Murray I swore an oath to the crown, not to any right wing political party .
So I suggest you go back and have another look at to whom your loyalty was sworn, it was not to any scum politician.
pdm care to name them as I said ?
Or are you thinking of the whiter shade of pale mob who were the first to register with the Nga Tahu, the ones who have a drop of hori blood but when it came to getting their snouts in were there troughing first ?
Might I suggest a tiny bit of history dear boy, the study of may help.
Grumpy – I am not going to name any individuals but the people I am thinking of are possibly the ones you refer to – after all was it Tariana Turia that said something along these lines – `if you think you are Maori then you are Maori’.
Interesting article here that outlines what might happen when ordinary people get too screwed by the system. In this case it’s a retired couple in the US who thought they were eligible for a “save the homeowner’s scheme”, got a 40% deduction in the monthly payments (no change in the principle amount they owe). The bank reversed it’s decision and this couple are beginning to feel like suckers for continuing to pay their mortgage.
They decided to simply keep paying the lower mortgage even after the bank reversed the decision. In effect they dared the bank to come after them. What should be scary about this is the sort of people they are:
Brian and Ilsa are salt-of-the-earth people: They put four kids through college, they always paid their taxes. The last time Brian broke the law was in 1998: An illegal U-turn on a suburban street.
Forget about the massive protests in Ireland; when people like Brian and Ilsa decide to give the system the middle finger we’re going to have real problems. As the blogger notes:
But Ilsa is quietly, constantly insisting that they stop paying the mortgage altogether: “Everybody else is doing it—so why shouldn’t we?”
A terrible sentence, when a law-abiding citizen speaks it: Everybody else is doing it—so why don’t we?
The writer’s end point:
Brian and Ilsa are such anarchists—grey-haired, well-dressed, golf-loving, well-to-do, exceedingly polite anarchists: But anarchists nevertheless. They are not important, or powerful, or influential: They are average—that’s why they’re so deadly: Their numbers are millions. And they are slowly, painfully coming to the conclusion that it’s just not worth it anymore.
The New Zealand Herald reports NZ academics and analysts broadly supported the Spirit Level thesis that: “The greater the gap between rich and poor, the more likely people will grow up a drug user, a criminal, less educated, obese, pregnant while a teenager, even less trusting of others.”
The New Zealand poor comprise non-wealthy welfare recipients and non-wealthy workers. The problems that are attributed to wealth inequality are more prevalent among beneficiaries than among the working poor. That is amply illustrated by the difference in the incidence of these problems (bar obesity which has its roots in traditional diet/lifestyle change) between Maori and Pacific people. Teenage pregnancies, criminality, and substance abuse are more prevalent among Maori. Maori are far more likely to be on benefits than Pacific people.
What is even more striking is that Asians are the least wealthy group yet, thus far, do not under-achieve, abuse drugs or offend in disproportionate rates. Their various cultures are not beset with social problems. I don’t suppose any academic raised these flies in the ointment.
The two things that work against the problems identified are strong families and work. Both are eroded by unconditional welfare. Not by income inequality.
Wikileaks again being totally irresponsible and putting innocent lives at risk, not to mention the security of the West. The newly released documents are said to show “details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen”. That can only be seen as Wikileaks aiding terrorism and helping our enemies. The terrorists will read this and change strategies.
This has more to do with wikileaks liberal idealist ideology than anything else.
Wikileaks leader should be prosecuted for being a traitor and thrown in a deep dark cell with the rest of the terrorists – he is doing just as much to help them as any jihadist.
This has more to do with wikileaks liberal idealist ideology than anything else.
What ideology supports keeping government as secretive as possible?
I think government transparency should mainly be the norm – there could be a good case made for secrecy in some circumstances, but as soon as you use it for some things it’s hard to stem it being used too much.
Pete, there is a reason that not all information is free; or do you think it should be?
Governments have been spying since … forever, since ancient times. I bet if you looked at details of the Cold War there would be more spying then today even. It keeps people safe.
What wikileaks has done is unconscionable.
It’s an effort of the West to beat up on ourselves for the supposed wrongs we’ve done – something Obama has been very good at. He thinks that if we keep apologizing then somehow terrorist attacks will stop
Why is David Carter giving into Jewish pressure to exempt them from animal slaughter laws ? National Radio reported that he received emails equating him to a Nazi if he wouldn’t allow them to practice their primitive religious rituals. We shouldn’t pander to any religious ideology whether Muslim, Jewish,Christian, Maori etc etc.
Brash seems to be a hero to some but as a few have posted he has limited appeal to the majority of voters. To me he is a boring , tedious ,old tosser..and I think he is racist also . He oozes hatred for Maori people at the same time as inciting others to hate Maori people. Winston Peters manages to criticise race based policies without oozing hatred. He does this intelligently and articulately. Brash’s utterences are those of a very bitter , biggot. He sounds like the boy who didn’t get picked for the team..the one who lost the girl , the one who missed first prize..In any setting , bitterness is always extremely unattractive…It is one thing to criticise policies on a factual basis , quite another to ooze hatred..There is something particularly ”Auckland” about him..I imagine he has quite a lot of support there
His far right policies have been tried and found wanting so these views make him sound very old fashioned.
Brash might be stayed, dull and out of touch but I don’t see how the fuck he ooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzesssss racism. Is that because be doesn’t grovel to the far left?
Hell I would have Brash over Winston Peters any day… and I don’t support Brash.
As for “There is something particularly ”Auckland” about him”
What pure crap, Brash is a fish out of water in cosmopolitan diverse Auckland.
If anything I could see him as part of the furniture at the ‘terrace’ or minister of culture for ChCh (complaints to Labour party HQ)
To be honest, I don’t know who I’ll vote for in the next election. We had to get rid of Helen, and I don’t like Labour, but Key is off on this Maori appeasement bent with the foreshore and seabed thing (which should have been kept under Govt control).
The trouble with Key is that he using strategies he learned while trading that don’t transfer well to running a country.
Governments have been spying since … forever, since ancient times. I bet if you looked at details of the Cold War there would be more spying then today even. It keeps people safe.
How do you know that if it’s done in secret? I’m sure secrecy has had some benefits, but probably at least as many downsides and bad outcomes. It certainly doesn’t keep everyone safe.
Secrecy doesn’t work well in personal relationships, we don’t want local government secrecy, we don’t want national government secrecy, so why should secrecy in international affairs be some great unquestionable solution?
Pete – there is a good case for international secrecy in certain circumstances. Some governments and free agents want to hurt one or the other party in those relationships and any information like that can be of help to them. That is, there are hardly agents of the Waikato Regional Council out to destroy the BOP RC so their correspondence with HBRC can be released. That is not the case with international relations.
Pete, you’re serious? You can’t be.
The West is at war with terrorists and other mad dictators. You’re saying we ought to openly let Kim John il, Mugabe, Abadinajad, etc, know what we’re up to? That if they know what we’re doing then we’ll have peace? I’m afraid they have other aspirations, my friend.
If that soldier is guilty of the leaks to alleged rapist Assange then he should be shot for treachery.
Assange an Australian? Australians serving on the front line. He should also be done for treachery.
PG as always pretending to be open and reasonable….of course govts have to have secrets! duh.
Al Jazeera news were loving every minute of this latest embarrasment to the US ,but they would wouldn’t they?
Tom Hunter .Good point about the banks and the citizenry.
I’m all for banks making money and keeping mine safe. But what a bunch of arseholes buying “products” they didn’t understand or even care as long as they were making their huge short term “profits”and getting their bonuses.
The modern world could learn a lot from our grandfathers generation……traditional values,hard work,savings, thrift, investment…..basically the old fashioned Protestant work ethic.Slow but steady.
But that’s not “sexy” is it? Now look at the shit we’re in!
It’s a serious question Fletch. My initial reaction was that surely some degree of secrecy must be necessary. But is there any proof of this?
Secrecy has a habit of backfiring and cause more problems than it avoids in relationships. Why should that be any different in international relationships?
Once suspicions are raised, and trust is threatened, countries just end up playing guessing games, often dangerous ones. Spying is notoriously inaccurate, always provides incomplete information and often provides false and misleading information.
Why not be honest with people, and with countries?
Maybe you can point to evidence that international spying and secrecy does good. Or is it’s effectiveness a secret too?
Pete, I see where you’re coming from, but this would only work in a perfect world where all countries had noble intentions; however they don’t. Some countries have intentions that don’t mesh with Western ideals – Islamic countries for example, want worldwide Sharia law. Countries like this are never going to be open because they want to hide what they’re doing – who they’re going to bomb next, for example, or what the next strike they’re planning against Israel is.
Thus, countries like Israel or the US have to resort to being covert to find out when the next attack might be in order to protect themselves and their citizens. Making it public how they are finding out this information endangers lives.
As was the saying in WWII, “loose lips sink ships”
The different aspect of this bunch of Wikileaks material is that they focus on diplomatic cables and such like. There really is not too much here that is “secret” even according to the classifications of the original documents.
But that does not mean that this is not a big problem for the US and other governments around the world. The art of diplomacy is to receive and deliver messages that are either vague or precise, tough or gentle, direct or indirect as the situation demands. The art of knowing what to say and what not to say – and when!
But in figuring out what that message should be the diplomats have to make hard-nosed assessments of the case at hand and the people involved: motives, facts on the ground, personality quirks, etc, etc. They may think that the leader of Trashcanistan is a mercenary bastard who’ll stab them in the back in a heartbeat, or that they’re stupid. But whatever the assessment, saying all that out in the open will not help anybody.
Given that people practice diplomacy in their everyday lives, in personal and professional relationships, why on earth should we think it does not apply to nation states or that it’s not important? I think we’ve run across “undiplomatic” people in our lives – they’re not generally very useful to society or anybody they know.
Assange has deliberately struck at the heart of these sorts of “secrets”. This stuff will not just damage the US but any friend of the US, which is exactly his intention. He’s not trying for a more free and open world but for the defeat of the Great Satan. Even Der Spiegal recognizes this:
The development is no less than a political meltdown for American foreign policy.
Never before in history has a superpower lost control of such vast amounts of such sensitive information — data that can help paint a picture of the foundation upon which US foreign policy is built. Never before has the trust America’s partners have in the country been as badly shaken. Now, their own personal views and policy recommendations have been made public — as have America’s true views of them.
“This stuff will not just damage the US but any friend of the US, which is exactly his intention. He’s not trying for a more free and open world but for the defeat of the Great Satan.”
Great stuff. This Assange guy deserves a medal. A main prerequisite for creating a free and open world, is the defeat and utter destruction of the United States as a global imperialist bully.
I see the Met Office in the UK predicted on October the 28th that there was a 60-80% chance of a mild Winter in the UK this year. This prediction came from their super computer, you know the one that predicts catastrophic global warming. Well one month later Wales recorded it’s coldest November since records began. Independent weather forecasters disputed the Met office’s prediction at the time, but no the “models” in the super computer must be right. Yeah right!
Somehow I don’t think he is going to be getting any medals, I wonder how long it will be before Mr Assange suffers a terrible accident.
It is interesting that the left have conveniently forgotten that Assange is still under a cloud re his rape charge, had he been a right winger we would never have heard the end of it.
“The West is at war with terrorists and other mad dictators. You’re saying we ought to openly let Kim John il, Mugabe, Abadinajad, etc, know what we’re up to? “
Those nations with societies and modes of development which are at odds with Western prescriptions are demonised and characterised as dangers to the security of the West. This of course is an excuse to use Western military power to smash these countries over the head with, invade their lands, and dominate their resources. That is what makes the USA and UK in particular the biggest threats to world peace. Any country which has different civilisational values is automatically deemed a threat. Its no different from wanting to home invade my neighbours house because I don’t like the way he speaks to his wife, or the colour he painted his house.
John Gibson (265) Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Why is David Carter giving into Jewish pressure to exempt them from animal slaughter laws ? National Radio reported that he received emails equating him to a Nazi if he wouldn’t allow them to practice their primitive religious rituals. We shouldn’t pander to any religious ideology whether Muslim, Jewish,Christian, Maori etc etc.
On the face of it I agree with your question, but I think there are two factors that make it not quite that simple.
First is that (as I understand it) virtually all of our beef, sheep and poultry are currently slaughtered according to Halal to make it acceptable for export to Muslim markets. So in effect we already pander to that religious ideology purely for economic reasons.
Second is that those who want meat slaughtered the shechita way have to import it from Australia. I have no idea how big the shechita market is in NZ, but importing beef from Australia to satisfy that market seems self-defeating. The animals get slaughtered the shechita way anyway, and then imported, incurring extra costs and “food miles”, and affecting our trade balance.
“That is what makes the USA and UK in particular the biggest threats to world peace. Any country which has different civilisational values is automatically deemed a threat.”
And your beloved communist China is lilly-white? Tell that to the Tibetans, comrade Zhumao
On Radio Left wing they were just having a giggle about W Nelson and cannabis. Not funny,cannabis is destructive and to have national radio laugh about it is irresponsible. Any way they mentioned Assange releases to the following newspapers……… the usual suspects NYT,Guardian and Spegel and one other that I guess is also lefty /climate changey/anti west./obamalovey.
And yes Assange does need a medal…..pinned over his heart and a blind fold,ready ,aim ,fire.
Zhumao…yeah we need more openness so we know when Chinese client state North Korea is going to murder southerners.
And when the Iranian Islamofascists are going to attempt to destabalise Lebanon and supply weapons to murder Israelis.
JImbob…….climate computers…..shit in /shit out. Enjoy the interglacial.
I’m curious to know why people who want as much transparency in government as possible are happy to allow a blind eye at the international level where the future of the human race could be at stake.
A few travel perks are of critical importance, proof of birth yet again demanded, but we don’t want to know about playing chicken with nukes?
“And your beloved communist China is lilly-white? Tell that to the Tibetans, comrade Zhumao”
Of course I never said China was perfect, only that the US and UK are the worst threats to world peace.
China has about zero non-peace keeping troops stationed abroad I believe, and their military spending is about 1/7 that of the US. As for the Tibetans, what the fuck has that got to do with it. Tibet is a wholly legitimate and integral part of China, as much as Queensland is part of Australia. This fact has long been accepted by every single nation in the world, New Zealand, Australia, the United States, and Britain included, even in fact well before the communist victory in 1949. So you are talking out of your asshole.
“And when the Iranian Islamofascists are going to attempt to destabalise Lebanon and supply weapons to murder Israelis.”
And how many innocent Lebanese have the Israelis murdered?
yeah we need more openness so we know when Chinese client state North Korea is going to murder southerners.
So if my mates and I patrol the footpath in front of your house, letting off AK47 rounds into the air, pointing guns at your children, and threatening your wife, how would you respond?
What a bunch of hypocrites the yanks are, when Drudge was shouting about Prince Harry being in Afghanistan they were ranting along with their NZ based fellow travelers the the freedom of speech outweighed military security.
Oh dear, the worm has turned now they are ranting it is wrong for sensitive information to be made public .
Sifting through the Wikileaks shite now. Found a load of shocking stuff like, um,
UAE military chief of staff: Delivery of S-300s could trigger Israeli attack on Iran; “I don’t trust the Russians”
Egypt: Iranian support for Hamas is $25 million per month
MbZ thought “Russia was trying to instigate conflict between the U.S. and Iran as a means to weaken the U.S. and drive up oil prices.”
MbZ to Timothy Geithner: “all hell will break loose” if Iran gets nuclear weapons
Jeffreys: Turks have “Rolls Royce ambitions but Rover resources”
Abu Dhabi crown prince: Iran establishing “emirates” all over the Arab world
“The King told General Jones that if Iran succeeded in developing nuclear weapons, everyone in the region would do the same.”
Qatari PM says Mubarak only thinking of how he can install his son in power and sideline the Muslim Brotherhood; Egyptians blame America
Kuwaiti interior minister says Palestinians want to convert to Shiism because they admire Iran
Davutoglu: Saudis viewed as U.S. “puppets” in the region
UAE says Iran has links to al Qaeda
Mubarak “sees the Syrians and Qataris as sycophants to Tehran and liars themselves.”
Berluzconi “feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader” … parties too hard and doesn’t get enough sleep
State Department cable from 2008: Medvedev “plays Robin to Putin’s Batman”
Oh wait, hang on, this is stuff I and everyone else already knew. Zzzzzzz. In fact, this is great – like the Afghan War leaks, the only thing this stuff does is strengthen the case against Iran; the documents show that the US is doing all it can to keep the worst Iranian excesses quiet so they can’t do anything. In the end, I can’t imagine anyone outside A) anti-American leftist mongs with chips on their shoulders like Zhumao (CHINA WIRR GLOW RARGER) and GOH (awww shit bro ah loves dem Turks) and B) geopolitics nerds like me to care too much about this stuff.
Oh yeah, Zhumao, a little bit of heartache: your colleagues have to been told to keep their mouths shut. I guess your expose isn’t working out too well.
Its no different from wanting to home invade my neighbours house because I don’t like the way he speaks to his wife, or the colour he painted his house.
@Zhumao, what about the way he stones his kids, or whips his wife? Would you do anything then?
So Key is suggesting that Pike River might be the end of underground mining in NZ.
So we have a list. No change to smacking.
No change to youth employment rates.
No change to the EFA of any consequence.
No change to the ETS.
Maori are going to get all the foreshore and minerals.
now Mining is too dangerous.
How long before its too dangerous to get out of bed in the morning.
These shiny arsed seat pushes should just piss off.
We have a queer boy in Cabinet that is behaving in a manner not much better than his predecessor.
But his polling is still good so you would have to believe that a useless, shit, government that lies through its teeth is what we dumb New Zealanders crave.
We only swapped them last time cause the new leader isn’t as ugly as the last one perhaps.
grumpy’s hatred of the United States is staggering. Racial complex, maybe?
It’s worth remembering that had they survived the conflagration last century, your whanau would be speaking German. Te Reo and other Maori “contributions” to world culture would’ve been obliterated from the face of the earth hadn’t the Americans intervened during WW II.
No suprises there, Viking2. Key and his spineless followers will continue to tread Labour’s path.
Labour-lite is completely bereft of ideas. The same applies to the wimp we call Prime minister.
I must say, I hadn’t heard this euphemism for murderous and oppressive regimes before.
Really? It’s standard fare in many “liberal” arts university departments (and their graduates in many cases) across the Western world for the last 20-30 years Wat. All part of multiculturalism you see; non-judgemental (well aside from the base reference point of that awful, awful Western civilisation).
The propaganda departments of Imperial Japan would have wet themselves with delight had they been able to exploit such an idea across the intellectual, political and journalistic elites of the US in 1940/41.
The alternative is to reclaim the founding principles of the National Party:
The National Party seeks a safe, prosperous and successful New Zealand that creates opportunities for all New Zealanders to reach their personal goals and dreams.
We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:
• Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment
All of the above abandoned for the sake of keeping political power, even at the expense of selling the country to the racists, breaking election promises, and hampering economic development.
The King told General Jones that if Iran succeeded in developing nuclear weapons, everyone in the region would do the same.
And Iran would encourage and assist everyone as well. Which is all the more reason why Israel won’t tolerate it, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. MAD still applies to all sides. It’s just that Israel loses her ace card, which is why she won’t tolerate it, and acts vigorously to make sure the US and the rest of the west won’t tolerate it either.
Ahmadinejad to Qatari PM: “We beat the Americans in Iraq; the final battle will be in Iran.”
No it will be in Jerusalem Mahmoud, and we will win.
I wonder how long it will be before Mr Assange suffers a terrible accident.
Never BB since everyone is now watching. Maybe in 20 years when no-one remembers.
What concerns me is what this is going to do to diplomatic openness and disclosure. Message security and disposal is no doubt under heavy review in every way in most modern countries right now. Very lax, to give low-level people this opportunity.
Zhumao, this man is a traitor. If he published China’s military traffic while it conducted operations in its various territories would you be so enthusiastic?
Here’s an overview of some of the documents I’ve looked at (warning: loooooooooooooong):
Harare, Zimbabwe, 2007: Mugabe is a nutjob and doesn’t understand economics. No surprise there.
London, UK, Jan 2010: a critic of the Islamist regime in Iran called Ali Reza Nourizadeh reports that he is being targeted by Iranian intelligence. An Iranian hitman named Mohammad Reza Sadeqinia was arrested in the US based on this information.
Ashgarat, Turkmenistan, Feb 2009: a weapons cache hidden in a Iranian diplomatic pouch found by Customs. Contained AK-47s, sniper rifles and ammunition.
Ashgarat, Feb 2009: Reports of Russia and Turkmenistan restarting uranium production from Turkish ambassador.
Ashgarat, June 2009: Elections watchers say Mahmoud Ahmedinejad stole the election. Calls him “another Pinochet.” Redacted says the Iranian authorities are merciless and will crack down on any protests with all force available. Comment at the end: During our conversation our interlocutor recalled the words of his father [detail removed] during the lead-up to the 1979 revolution. He said that his father warned him against joining the revolution and to “watch out for the Islamists.” “Once they get power,” he had said, “they’ll never relinquish it. People are going to be sorry.”
Ashgarat, June 2009: Election watcher says for US government to not enter direct talks with Iranian government as doing so would undermine protestor’s faith in Obama’s message of change. Compares totalitarian nature of Iran’s government with fascist Germany and Italy. Public more exasperated with sanctions than with threat of attack by Israel. Sanctions not working due to surreptitious payments of money via US and Europe.
Amman, Jordan, April 2009: Summary of document – [i]“Jordan’s leaders believe such engagement would reward regional hardliners while undermining Arab moderates – without convincing Iran to cease its support for terrorism, end its nuclear program or drop its hegemonic aspirations. Jordanian officials argue that the best way to counter Iran’s ambitions is to weaken the salience of its radicalism on the Arab street by fulfilling the promise of a “two-state solution,” resolving other Arab-Israeli disputes, and making sure that Iraq’s political and security institutions are not overwhelmed by Iranian influence when the U.S. drawdown is complete. If U.S.-Iran engagement does proceed in earnest, Jordan hopes to be closely consulted in advance and for its interests to be taken into account.”[/i]
Buenos Aires, Argentina, Dec 1966: Argentina extends its territorial waters legislation to encompass the Falkland Islands. Embassy to use pressure to get Argentina to back down with permission from State Department.
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, Feb 2009: Chinese ambassador Zhang Yannian accused of offering Kyrgyz government $300 million in exchange for shutting down Manas Air Base. Denies this, says Kyrgyz is in Russia’s sphere of influence and complains that Chinese Gitmo inmates are being shipped to Germany, not China. Says Russia is trying to do a deal with Kyrgyzstan to shut down Manas and advises just paying Kyrgyzstan $150 million a year to keep Manas open.
Here’s an interesting one. Beirut, Lebanon, July 2009. Meeting between Caretaker PM Fouad Siniora and CENTCOM commander General David Petraeus. Siniora thanks Petraeus for military assistance. States that resolution of Palestinian refugee camps should also take Lebanon into account (they have 12 of them). Pleased but wary of US-Syria engagement and advised US not reward them unless Syria takes positive action first. Petraeus states that Assad has invited him to meet, but time is not appropriate; also states desire to see Syria brought back towards the Arab world and away from Iran. S and P agree that recent Iranian protests expose cracks in the system. S advises that an Israeli strike on Iran would be counter-productive. P states that outside force against Iran is a not a desire of the US’ and that Iran’s aggression has produced a significant expansion in US military co-operation and partnerships with the Gulf states. S reports rumour that Pakistan is ready to sell some nuclear stock to other countries; P assures S that this is a rumour but does not discount possibility that neighbouring countries would shop around for its own arsenal if Iran went nuclear. Pakistani government acknowledges Taliban as an existential threat to Pakistan.
Baku, Azerbaijan, March 2009: A UK-registered company called Insultec owned by British citizens of Indian origin is assisting Iran in the development of its reactor in Busheir, acting against UN sanctions.
One of the overviews I’m getting from here is that Qatar(!) is more of a threat than previously supposited. But, for the most part, it’s pretty tame stuff. The best things the leftists can get from it is that some Obamatard found the Honduran coup to be illegal but then the US opposed it so it’s not like they can do anything with that. Day 1 has been pretty tame. Now, for the rest of the week…
Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment
fuck someone send this to shiney arse smile and wave quick..
Zhumao, what about the way he stones his kids, or whips his wife? Would you do anything then?
Well where in the world do people stone their kids – I don’t think in any culture is it acceptable to kill your own kids, except for perhaps isolated incidents of honour killings.
Basically I believe one should respect the laws in the lands where you reside. That is enough. And if Iran wants to stone adulterers or murderers that is the way they run their country. Of course one can protest about it all one wants, but to think that these regimes should be toppled by military action, direct or covert, is the height of fucking arrogance, and incredibly dangerous. The fact is the Iranian government is a popular one, and most people in Iran are happy with the way Iran is.
Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?
Other countries don’t have to have practices, or customs, or folkways, you like in order to be deemed worthy of existence. If you want to know why the US is hated around the world, just think of how you would feel if the Chinese made demands on NZ in respect of adhering to the Treaty of Waitangi, or returning the seabed and foreshore to its rightful owners. Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.
“Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.”
Such as?
“You aren’t reading this cables then, are you?”
Hurf, just cause a son whose father told him they shouldn’t let the Muslims in during the revolution cause they’d stay forever and he (the son) said Ahmadinejad stole the election, doesn’t mean the entire Iranian population believes that.
The propaganda departments of Imperial Japan would have wet themselves with delight ……
The difference is of course Japan was already occupying about half of China, all of Korea, and was a direct threat to the Europes colonies in Asia. Whereas Iran basically threatens no one, and North Korea is cornered and continually threatened by Japan, the United States and South Korea.
It is rather strange that the only people beating the war drums against Iran are the UK and the US, countries far away from Iran. Iran’s nearest neighbours don’t have much of a problem with her, and Russia and China neither. If Iran really was all that dangerous and ruled by nutcases ready to chuck nukes around, surely neighbouring nations, and also Russia and China would be as concerned as the US? But why aren’t they? Perhaps the so called Iranian threat is just a crock of shit cooked up by the US and its UK lapdog.
“Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?”
It may well be racist, but in the next breath the left want the white countries to cough up endless amounts of cash for the latest famine or flood in some god forsaken shit hole.
Personally, I would be happy to let other countries deal with things how they see fit, but, the cost of that would be the end of all foreign aide by western nations, got a earthquake that has killed thousands of your own people?…tough fucking luck, got an epidemic that is sweeping some shitty third world country?…tough luck, deal with it yourself.
Iran’s nearest neighbours don’t have much of a problem with her,
You really aren’t reading these cables at all, are you? Just scroll up. There’s an handy overview of some pretty damning stuff against the Iranian regime.
I’d have thought spying on the UN would be a given considering how much anti-Western crap they get up to.
One of the harsh truths about diplomacy which the idealists really don’t understand is that international relations isn’t a ghetto community mural where everyone gets a say.
Whereas Iran basically threatens no one… Iran’s nearest neighbours don’t have much of a problem with her, and Russia and China neither. If Iran really was all that dangerous and ruled by nutcases ready to chuck nukes around, surely neighbouring nations, and also Russia and China would be as concerned as the US? But why aren’t they? Perhaps the so called Iranian threat is just a crock of shit cooked up by the US and its UK lapdog.
Perhaps it was also cooked up by the one nation that is threatened by a nuclear Iran. But no, nah, couldn’t be.
but, the cost of that would be the end of all foreign aide by western nations, got a earthquake that has killed thousands of your own people?…tough fucking luck, got an epidemic that is sweeping some shitty third world country?…tough luck, deal with it yourself.
Come on. You can’t be serious. All countries make donations to others in times of natural disaster. Even Bangladesh donated to the US to help with Katrina. As for so called aid, that is a drop of piss in the ocean compared to the way Western nations have stripped mined Asia and African for resources at the point of a gun in very recent history.
So stick your self-righteous ignorant drivel up your ass big bruv
I’d have thought spying on the UN would be a given considering how much anti-Western crap they get up to.
Come on. The UN is still largely controlled by the West. Three of the five permanent members with veto power are Britain, France, and the US. Britain and France, are upstart little wannabees. They should be replaced by more derserving countries such as Indonesia, and Iran.
Perhaps it was also cooked up by the one nation that is threatened by a nuclear Iran
And that one nation you allude to is 99.9% already a nuclear power. Hypocrite.
Well I’m sure if they stop oppressing and slaughtering their people the west will stop picking on them.
JohnBoy. Where is this ‘oppression’ and ‘slaughtering’ of their own people? The US has murdered more innocent civilians these past few decades than any other nation. Please supply some examples of countries like Iran or China, say, ‘slaughtering’ their own people.
Educate yourselves you fucking bunch of ignorant cocksuckers. There are alternative versions of the truth out there you most likely have never explored. Yet you think you know it all. Arrogant fuckers.
“So if we want to be free and independent, and if we want to retain our humanity and our national and societal sense of dignity, then we must mobilise in defense of North Korea” Alexander Dugin
I am deadly serious Zhumao, as a western white male of a supposed first world nation I am happy to overlook the atrocities of the third world, happy to overlook the odd stoning of some poof or alleged adulterer.
All I want is to be left alone by socialists and communists who demand money from me when one of these dumps has some sort of natural disaster.
Or are you suggesting that we should just shut the fuck up and hand over the money, money that invariably does not end up where is is supposed to go.
All I want is to be left alone by socialists and communists who demand money from me when one of these dumps has some sort of natural disaster.
Demand money from you? What’s all this bs about the third world taking from the first? Surely the other way round. Let’s see the US give up its entire influence in Asia, the Middle East, Central Asia, Latin America, and just go fucken home. Do you think they will? Of course not. Because they benefit from controlling the world’s resources to their own advantage. That is fucking why.
And when was the last time New Zealand sent a huge bundle of money to some country with a natural disaster. Can you please provide the amount. Or are you just spouting a whole lot of drivel?
Zhumao does have a fair point. He accurately portrays the perception of the west amongst other nations.
Don’t overlook that.
Perception is reality. Whether or not we think we’re like that is not the point.
The point is, others see us like that. They do. That doesn’t mean they’re right, but that’s the reality. Dealing with it as a reality is the only way forward in geopolitics.
“Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.”
You seem to be suffering from the same problem as our old pal Redbaiter. We live in NZ, we have fuck all to do with what happens in the USA, we have even less say in their foreign policy, if you have questions for the Yanks then go and bloody ask them, and while you are at it, take Redbaiter with you.
Now, could you please answer the question, do you think that we should just hand over money to these shit holes in return for nothing at all?
Why is it that you think there should be no conditions attached?, every year the NZ government gives away millions of our dollars (without our consent) to third world nations and other assorted bludgers, personally I would rather that we kept the money in NZ or better still let the tax payer keen a bit more of his own money and tell the third world to go and fuck itself.
What the fuck has China’s control of rare earth’s got to do with anything Johnny boy? Did China invade other countries for control of those rare earth’s. Was China’s control of them obtained by immoral or dishonest means? No. In fact rare earths are everywhere. It is the technology to extract them which China has currently developed, while the US has left their own industry to founder. That is not the fault of the Chinese. And that is way different from going half way around the world to invade and bomb the shit out of sovereign countries which have never done the invader any harm in any way shape or form.
Big Bruv. New Zealand gives fuck all in terms of foreign aid – in fact NZ is one of the stingiest donors in the entire OECD. So relax. The minute amount that NZ gives in foreign aid does not affect you.
We live in NZ, we have fuck all to do with what happens in the USA, we have even less say in their foreign policy,
So that is why NZ has troops in Afghanistan abetting the US in their murder of Afghan civilians, right?
Zhumao currently holding off BB, JohnBoy. Hurf retired. reid an interested observer, since Zhumao hasn’t yet answered his polite question.
Drama.
D4J makes a late play, immediately engaging BB.
Will this change the game, will taking BB temporarily out of play give Zhumao an opening that he then tears through, decimating the competition for a touchdown?
You brought the subject up of the west controlling the earths resources Zhumao not me. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your argument.
The west controlled them in the past because of the industrial revolution, (You may have heard of it. It started in Britain not China).
As for going half way round the world to bomb the shit out of sovereign countries I seem to remember that your Chinese people were fairly grateful to have the Enola Gay drop its payload over Hiroshima.
At the time they probably regarded it as tit for tat for the rape of Nanking but again I note your comments are extremely selective.
“The minute amount that NZ gives in foreign aid does not affect you.”
Good…then the third world would not miss it if we stopped giving, that sounds like a deal I could live with.
“So that is why NZ has troops in Afghanistan abetting the US in their murder of Afghan civilians, right?”
I prefer to say we are doing our little bit, personally I would have liked us to do a lot more but we had to suffer under Klark for nine years. As for the civilians….well if they keep firing bullets at us then I suppose we have to fire back, and anyway, I don’t give a shit if some of them are killed, they see our way of life as cheap and expendable so I fail to see why we should treat them any other way.
Now Zhumao, how about answering that question of mine?
Basically I believe one should respect the laws in the lands where you reside. That is enough. And if Iran wants to stone adulterers or murderers that is the way they run their country…Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?
So any atrocities committed by any regime are automatically acceptable; because to assert otherwise is racist.
I’m glad we got that cleared up.
I think I’m getting the hang of being a Progressive…
Yes the trouble is Johnboy the sheep just fall into this hypnotic trance and just stare and clap as I rant and rave. It’s a lot of fun. When I move onto actual people, which I plan to do quite soon, how do you recommend I should behave?
As for the civilians….well if they keep firing bullets at us then I suppose we have to fire back, and anyway, I don’t give a shit if some of them are killed, they see our way of life as cheap and expendable so I fail to see why we should treat them any other way.
Maybe they see whitey lives as ‘cheap’ because they are foreign occupiers shooting up the locals. Just as New Zealanders would not take kindly to Iranian, or Chinese, or Nigerian troops say, strutting round Takapuna Beach and Queenstown.
Maybe they see whitey lives as ‘cheap’ because they are foreign occupiers shooting up the locals. Just as New Zealanders would not take kindly to Iranian, or Chinese, or Nigerian troops say, strutting round Takapuna Beach and Queenstown.
According to your extreme nationalistic doctrine the tortured, oppressed and starved people of North Korea should in fact resist any liberating army bringing freedom and democracy, on the grounds that they’re not from round here.
Come on. The UN is still largely controlled by the West.
Zhumeo, actually the largest voting blok in the UN is the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) comprising some 57 states. And it doesn’t help that Obama is siding with many of the things they want to do, eg, the US co-sponsored a bill with Egypt, the so-called Religious Discrimination bill – but where it says “religion’ they really mean Islam. The bill passed it’s first reading, but is as yet unbinding, but is being voted upon again.
If it passes, it will be illegal to criticize Islam.
Obama has this idea that Islamic terrorism is the fault of the West, all the things America has done, so he bows and scrapes and apologizes at every turn for America. He is not patriotic, and he isn’t proud. He is ashamed and embarrassed of America. He thinks that by constantly apologizing to countries like Iran that he can appease Islam.
He doesn’t realize (or won’t) that it has nothing to do with America; it goes back to the roots of Islam and Mohammed; that everyone must be under the rule of Islam or be defeated or subjugated.
According to your extreme nationalistic doctrine the tortured, oppressed and starved people of North Korea should in fact resist any liberating army bringing freedom and democracy
You think they would actually welcome you? Are you fucking deluded or what? Regardless of how people may or may not like their own government, that does not mean they would welcome foreign invasion. Never has been the case. If North Korea or Iran was invaded the people would rise up and bury the invader. These are people with balls who will not be bullied.
Yeah, and just because your idea of freedom is allowing men to openly kiss in public and fuck one another up the ass, and for women to leave husband and children to indulge in lesbian sex and that is all OK, there are plenty of people around the world who find such things absolutely abhorrent – as abhorrent as you would I presume, find stoning.
How fucking arrogant is it that you would think the world wants to be like a San Francisco bathhouse.
He may be a fool. He may even be someone who leaves the US in a worse state than when he found it and he wouldn’t be the first President to have “accomplished” that. Lately we seem to have had rather more than usual.
Getting factual, one sees the US has squandered the international goodwill it had after 911 on foolish military-misadventure. Everyone knows what happened. Let’s not re-litigate. Fact remains, the US could have done it differently and at this point in time could have had an enhanced reputation in everyway. We all know that could have been done.
But it wasn’t. Despite having some of the best geo-political, military and technical minds on the planet. The reason it wasn’t, is because of the politicians. Successive politicians in the west have fucked up real bad.
“You think they would actually welcome you? Are you fucking deluded or what? Regardless of how people may or may not like their own government, that does not mean they would welcome foreign invasion. Never has been the case. If North Korea or Iran was invaded the people would rise up and bury the invader. These are people with balls who will not be bullied.
Yeah, and just because your idea of freedom is allowing men to openly kiss in public and fuck one another up the ass, and for women to leave husband and children to indulge in lesbian sex and that is all OK, there are plenty of people around the world who find such things absolutely abhorrent – as abhorrent as you would I presume, find stoning.
How fucking arrogant is it that you would think the world wants to be like a San Francisco bathhouse.”
Let’s not get too carried away Zhumao. As far as I an aware there are no laws against homosexuality in China. Plenty of gay bars.
Would the world want to be like a Beijing gay bar?
Do you know there is a serious girl drought in China because the Chinese especially in the countryside tend to do away with female babies?
One has to wonder where the men will be sticking it?
The Chinese may well be good at closing their eys and being overly patriotic about the CCP and accepting the corruption and guanxi system that still exists there.
Why not trade off a few human rights when there is full employment annd money to be made.
But wait until China’s economy takes a supersonic nosedive and a few million people are out of work, then see how loyal and patriotic they are.
There are already the signs, huge price rises in the south.
And you can’t move in the supermarkets in the north, not for customers but for staff doing nothing in the aisles.
China cannot sustain that sort of thing for much longer witn their economy changiong from export to domestic.
I’m sorry but when things get bleak, people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection and their money and houses are reducing at a scary rate.
As far as I an aware there are no laws against homosexuality in China. Plenty of gay bars.
So what? If China has these laws good for them. If other countries want to stone gays and adulterers to death, that is good for those countries also. Note that whatever social mores, laws, customs China has, they at least do not push them onto everyone else. That was my point. While China may now tolerate gays, they do not demand that other countries do likewise. Unlike the West.
I’m sorry but when things get bleak, people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection and their money and houses are reducing at a scary rate.
Fuck are you thick or what? When the economy tanks, the last thing people think of is so called ‘democracy’, ‘human rights’ etc. That is the type of thing people think of when the econonmy is going well, and they have food in their bellies, a roof over their head, a good job, and a computer. When the economy tanks, the likelihood is people gravitate to the political extremes – not to suddenly become instant democrats, you dumb fuck. And this is precisely what is happening now in China, with interest in Maoism resurgent, as well as increasing support for the Chinese ‘new left’ movement. And nationalism and hatred of the West (in fact well justified) will also increase if the economy goes down.
I always know when I am winning an argument when the other person resorts to personal abuse. Fortunately for you I am not drinking (much) at the moment.
That is exactly what I am saying, when the econony folds, people will attack everything and they won’t be blindly over-patriotic to a system they pretty much do not even understand and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.
Of course, deep down most Chinese hate foreigners, with the propoganda machine still rolling on nicely what else would you expect?
Western media always attacks China? Boohoo, ever heard Chinese media on the USA, not exactly what I would call objective or positive, I mean it is heavily controlled by the CCP for a start.
But what I cannot understand about the Chinese, if you hate the West so much why are so many of you gagging to leave the mainland and live in the horrible (prosperous and free) West?
“that is exactly what I am saying, when the econony folds, people will attack everything and they won’t be blindly over-patriotic to a system …….”
That is not what you said. This is what you said “people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection ….”
And how are you ‘over-patriotic to a system’. You are not ‘patriotic’ to a system. You are ‘patriotic’ to a nation. You are either loyal or disloyal to a system.
“and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.”
Huh? Please clarify. China’s profile is pretty good at the moment. The Chinese are perhaps more happy with their international profile right now than at any other point in history. Care to elaborate?
“Of course, deep down most Chinese hate foreigners, with the propoganda machine still rolling on nicely what else would you expect?”
Bullshit. We hate getting lectured to by foreigners on how to run our own affairs, mainly by those foreigners from the same nations which invaded us in living memory. I suppose New Zealanders would also be fucked off with say the Japanese if the Japanese took it upon themselves to monitor and make demands of New Zealand on how well it is adhering to the Treaty of Waitangi, and whether those activists arrested in the Ureweras a couple of years ago are getting due process.
That is different from hating foreigners because they are foreigners. And please provide just one Chinese newspaper article in which xenophobia and hatred of minorities or foreigners is encouraged. Please. Just provide the link to one article. If you cannot, you must be talking out of your asshole.
“Boohoo, ever heard Chinese media on the USA, not exactly what I would call objective or positive, I mean it is heavily controlled by the CCP for a start.”
Again. Provide me one article that is obviously anti-American. It is not the type of stuff that was run during the Cultural Revolution. Most reporting on the West is quite positive, with a lot of everyday human interest stories, as well as sports news. Whereas reporting on China in the West always manages to add a sinister spin to a story.
“But what I cannot understand about the Chinese, if you hate the West so much why are so many of you gagging to leave the mainland and live in the horrible (prosperous and free) West?”
Again. Chinese do not hate the West. They hate what the West has done to them in the past, and the bullying tactics the West still employs today towards developing nations, China included. And the reason why people migrate to the West is because the West is still by far the most prosperous developed place in the world. People have always followed the wealth. None more so than white people. When China becomes more prosperous immigration from there will slow. How many Japanese migrants do you get, or Singaporean. Fuck all.
In any case, the West has got more than its pound of flesh from China, New Zealand included. Chinese moving to the West want to enjoy some of the wealth stolen off their ancestors. That is fair enough.
“Have you ever lived in the mainland?”
Yes, for many years. My family lives on the mainland.
hahahahaa just read a bit of your book on the web —reads little better than that Korean mass murderer’s Seung-Hui Cho’s, “Richard McBeef” —the level of english is about the same -hahahahaha. —you need to change jobs, cause you are giving it away for free on the net eh?
And what is this ” the most misunderstood culture of our times.” There are slightly more Chinese than whites in the entire world. To them Chinese culture is not ‘misunderstood’. Also hundreds of millions of other Asians who are of similar cultural background as the Chinese. So if whiteys misunderstand Chinese culture, then Chinese culture must be the most ‘misunderstood’ of our times. Is that what you mean?
And I suppose you have an awesome understanding eh? How much Mandarin, or Cantonese do you speak tosser?
ZM – [“and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.”
Huh? Please clarify. China’s profile is pretty good at the moment. The Chinese are perhaps more happy with their international profile right now than at any other point in history. Care to elaborate?]
Are you kidding me?
Yeah the Pope and the Nobel Peace Prize committee have such a tiny influence around the world.
Your mind is far too Eastern in its thinking.
You are to me part of the Chinese propoganda machine which starts right from primary school and continues into adulthood.
Yeah, yeah, the foreigners came and stole all our sacred artifacts. And we”ll never forgive them for it. Why did you let them take them as well as your gun powder?
You know, I have actually met Chinese people who are not such parrots as you. Why have a more objective voice on Tibet and Taiwan.
They are usually hidden away, for obvious reasons, taken out of school, but they do exist and they are getting larger in population.
Now that is a refreshing change for China, independant thought and voice. Imagine that.
But as for you, stick to the textbooks and the pet shop, Mr CCP Parrot.
I’m talking about international profile thickshit. Not what a handful of Western countries think. INTERNATIONAL does not equate to just what the US, and UK think.
I don’t see too many Nigerians, Russians, Bulgarians, Cubans, Vietnamese, Indians, Indonesians, Egyptians, Venezualans getting too worked up about the fate of Liu Xiaobo. In fact several countries, including Russia have joined in boycotting the awards ceremony.
So you see. A fair proportion of the world’s population, in fact a large majority, does not give a shit about Liu Xiaobo, and would likely not give a shit even if he was taken out and had his head blown clean off.
“Your mind is far too Eastern in its thinking.”
OK Mr expert. You a mind reader now. How many Asian languages do you speak?
“They are usually hidden away, for obvious reasons, taken out of school, but they do exist and they are getting larger in population.”
hahahaha –really —I find it hard to believe that you are thick to the point where you do not realise how stupid you sound.
And I can speak quite a lot of Mandarin actually sha bi!
Wow! ‘Quite’ a bit. About as much say as the typical Chinese migrant to NZ can speak English eh? Does that make the typical Chinese student in NZ, or the immigrant who has lived here for five years an expert on the ‘Western mind’?
Of course not. And yes, I speak Cantonese (my mother tongue), and passable Mandarin. And it is not only my command of Chinese which is better than yours, but also my command of english. Hahahaha –now do you feel like the useless prick you most obviously are? hahahahahahaha
Well, if you can’t even speak Mandarin I hardly think you can call yourself and expert on China.
I said passable Mandarin, Mr Shorter, and in fact I never said I am an expert on China. I am simply Chinese, and as anyone with any knowledge of China would know, as long as one can read and write Chinese one can communicate with the whole of China, regardless of differences in dialect.
Swiss say ‘yes’ to expulsion of foreign criminals
5:30 AM Tuesday Nov 30, 2010
GENEVA – Swiss voters have approved a plan to automatically deport foreigners who commit serious crimes or benefit fraud, in a significant victory for the nationalist party that pushed the proposal against the will of the Government.
Almost 53 per cent of voters backed the proposal put forward by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party. The plan was opposed by 47.1 per cent of voters.
A Government-backed counter-proposal failed. It would have required case-by-case review by a judge before an individual was deported.
The Government will now have to draft a law requiring automatic expulsion of foreigners found guilty of crimes such as murder, rape, drug dealing or benefit fraud.
“The majority of voters have sent a clear signal that they consider foreign criminality to be a serious problem,” Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said.
Because, as I said before, though I am not a big fan of Chinese CCP, PSB or guanxi and corruption, I do like Chinese people as a whole, Chinese food and China. I spent nine years there and it is quite a special place.
But alas, I bit off more than I could chew when I started posting people’s real names with their comments.
There was no internet hacking or stalking involved.
The forum moderator (a journalist for some shit private English newspaper in Beijing) hacked into my e-mail accounts and then because the forum was also a magazine involving big bucks and Chinese with guanxi a Beijing PSB cop threatened I would be held in custody if I did not leave in three days.
There was no internet activity involved. He only questioned me about my book The Fake Celebrity in China (hardly a threat to national security) and my employment.
I left as I was leaving a month later anyway. But it did leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Then the “journalist” wrote a lying article that I was deported for internet stalking and spread it all around the NZ media and as many shit websites he could.
He later has denied writing it in an effort to escape defamation proceedings. But I will get him even though he is in hiding. I am suing him from the UK. And I will get retractions from the NZ media to clear my name.
Presently there is a complaint beijng dealt with by the Beijing PSB.
It will be a good test to see whether in 2010 corruption and guanxi extends beyond some low level PSB officers.
I have nothing to hide, especially not my real name.
The ridiculous thing is that only in China could such a racist forum exist (and still does).
It is protected by guanxi.
So now you know.
Personally, I get the impression you are just a troll and not particularly Chinese.
I wonder if anyone else get’s that idea.
Anyway, thanks for helping advertise my first novel. No publicity is bad publicity.
I am pretty excited about my second novel, set mostly in New Zealand and is about six months away from completion.
By the way, I certainly wasn’t deported. I have the standard exit stamp not the red DEPORTED one. Because there was guanxi involved the last thing the PSB wanted was any later scandal and action by a lawyer/writer.
But the “defamatory” article pretty much reignited things and I am sure the Beijing PSB are as pissed off with the “journalist” as I was.
By even posting that I was deported here you are exposing yourself and Kiwiblog to defamation proceedings so I suggest you get them to remove your comments about that.
RobbieBlack, screenshooting Walter Mitty, if you are still in Munich as you claimed,
whether it is Bitburg or Warsteiner, or even wurst [if anything is], it is still obviously a shameful waste.
Well, I just took a screenshot of all your defamatory posts. If you are in New Zealand you may find yourself served at some in the next year for defamation proceedings.
hahahahah —are you really so unaware of how ridiculous you sound (or read)…..I await delivery of deformation proceedings, with bated breath…hahahahahahahah
November 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am
ok!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Nice to The Don kicking the crap out of John Key for being a soft leftie who is selling out to Maori. Bout damn time someone did.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Don Brash for PM.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:36 am
I second that, at least Don has a backbone.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Mr. Brash is 100% correct.
It’s very true the current government lacks the courage to start reversing this sad state of affairs, so New Zealand appears destined to continue sinking in the mire of state-sponsored welfare and mediocrity.
Smile and wave Key and the National Party, a.k.a. Labour-lite, are an abject failure.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:38 am
“Nice to The Don kicking the crap out of John Key for being a soft leftie who is selling out to Maori. Bout damn time someone did.”
If you are concerned about National giving away parts of the foreshore and seabed to stay in power come along to the meeting tonight.
http://www.act.org.nz/files/Foreshore-Meeting-Flyer.pdf
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10690728
All this sniping leads to the conclusion that was no other than Key who leaked Brash’s emails to Nicky Hager?
Vote:Et tu Brutus?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Manolo
“that was no other than Key who leaked Brash’s emails to Nicky Hager?”
I think you may well find that Don Brash is a bit more cunning than that, I would be willing to wager that Key had nothing to do with the leaked emails, however, if you look at the person who sits just to the left of Key in the house then you might be a bit closer to the mark.
This is as much of an attack on English as it is on Key, Brash is never going to come out and openly attack English as it would reopen all those old wounds about Brash’s rise to the leadership of the National party and his subsequent demise.
I have always maintained that English is a real danger to the Nat’s and the right, English believes he should be PM, nothing short of him being kicked out of the house is ever going to change that.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Wikileaks shows David Farrar didn’t even get a mention in the US Diplomatic cables out of the US Embassy in Wellington.
Note to David, must try harder.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Amusing how many are in favour of a few pakeha getting over a billion for those pakeha taking risks in putting their money in the wrong bloody place.
But the same people are against less money being dished out to horis for land stolen, strange.
Oh, and for those of you who believe we have to do something about those bloody hories, drop into Linton and have a look at who mans the teeth arms, it is not wimps who support ACT.
Vote:ACT supporters would do something about hories, believe me we hories would enjoy that, be careful of what you extreme types wish for, you may get it.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Why is there talk of Don Brash beginning his own party.
He hasn’t even hinted at the possibility. He has to find a party. Ex Act members???
Also,
So glad to hear this morning people don’t trust Roger Doiuglas any more. But too little too late????
That pretty much spells Acts death knell.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 am
“ACT supporters would do something about hories, believe me we hories would enjoy that, be careful of what you extreme types wish for, you may get it.”
An incoherent rant. So early on a Monday morning and you’re already on the piss, grumpy.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Great to read the criticism of John Key on this blog and the visceral hatred on The Standard. This means that John Key et al are failing to please the far left 10% and the far right 10% thus pleasing 80%.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:28 am
A big part of our economic future is in the hands of this clown. Figure that out.
Vote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&objectid=10690037
November 29th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Fisiani, that’s what those calling for a “right-wing party” don’t seem to understand.
Brash might seem like the answer to some but he doesn’t have wide appeal.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Hori, was that this te reo thing I’ve heard about?
Incomprehensible at best.
Please post in English next time.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Amusing how many Maori are overt racist and in favor of racist based laws and funding.
Apartheid is good when its brown.
I don’t need to “drop into Linton”, I’ve already got over a decade of teeth arms time you winney assed little whinger.
Fuck me now its there are some Maori in the infantry so give us shit. How do you stack the bullshit that high and live with yourself. At a minimum you’re in violation of your oath to HTMQ if you’re a serving soldier and publicy pushing a seperatist agenda.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Grumpy – I will be surprised if there were not a fair number of Hori’s with money in those investment funds that were bailed out. All of those at the top of the grievance tree have to have put their ill gotten gains somewhere because they don’t return it to their fellow Hori’s down the chain do they.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am
OOps – apologies for the typo grumpy.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Chuck Bird so is Garrett going to be there to give advice of how to steal the identity of a child ?
You know the the crime he committed that ACT MPs knew about when they picked him to be their next great MP.
Wonder what if any crime the latest ACT MP has commited ?
Strange Murray I swore an oath to the crown, not to any right wing political party .
Vote:So I suggest you go back and have another look at to whom your loyalty was sworn, it was not to any scum politician.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Hori…you got ya guns muskets and blankets for ya land…move on..this is the problem with you lot..ya stuck in the past..build a bridge ya tosser.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am
You can chest thump all you like.
Vote:Fuck all people will vote for Don Brash.
You might not like it but it’s the truth.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:54 am
pdm fair enough, care to name them ?
Vote:I asked around Nga Tahu, they had none in there, they already knew South Canterbury was trouble.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
stolen land? be thankful you werent wiped out!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:10 am
The irrepressible thug Trevor Mallard at his shit-stirring worst.
Vote:http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10690798&ref=rss
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Grumpy I was thinking of individuals.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
pdm care to name them as I said ?
Vote:Or are you thinking of the whiter shade of pale mob who were the first to register with the Nga Tahu, the ones who have a drop of hori blood but when it came to getting their snouts in were there troughing first ?
Might I suggest a tiny bit of history dear boy, the study of may help.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
That was unkind of Key, stating that Brash was old news, how old is Brash , 74 ?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Grumpy – I am not going to name any individuals but the people I am thinking of are possibly the ones you refer to – after all was it Tariana Turia that said something along these lines – `if you think you are Maori then you are Maori’.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
@manolo 10:10am
What else has an irrelevant bunch of dried out commies got to do but shit stir. I guess they figure any publicity is better than none at all.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Interesting article here that outlines what might happen when ordinary people get too screwed by the system. In this case it’s a retired couple in the US who thought they were eligible for a “save the homeowner’s scheme”, got a 40% deduction in the monthly payments (no change in the principle amount they owe). The bank reversed it’s decision and this couple are beginning to feel like suckers for continuing to pay their mortgage.
They decided to simply keep paying the lower mortgage even after the bank reversed the decision. In effect they dared the bank to come after them. What should be scary about this is the sort of people they are:
Forget about the massive protests in Ireland; when people like Brian and Ilsa decide to give the system the middle finger we’re going to have real problems. As the blogger notes:
The writer’s end point:
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Oh – and last Friday: The average yield for 10-year bonds issued by Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain hit a Euro-era record of 7.57 percent
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Excellent analysis by Lindsay Mitchell.
The New Zealand Herald reports NZ academics and analysts broadly supported the Spirit Level thesis that:
“The greater the gap between rich and poor, the more likely people will grow up a drug user, a criminal, less educated, obese, pregnant while a teenager, even less trusting of others.”
The New Zealand poor comprise non-wealthy welfare recipients and non-wealthy workers. The problems that are attributed to wealth inequality are more prevalent among beneficiaries than among the working poor. That is amply illustrated by the difference in the incidence of these problems (bar obesity which has its roots in traditional diet/lifestyle change) between Maori and Pacific people. Teenage pregnancies, criminality, and substance abuse are more prevalent among Maori. Maori are far more likely to be on benefits than Pacific people.
What is even more striking is that Asians are the least wealthy group yet, thus far, do not under-achieve, abuse drugs or offend in disproportionate rates. Their various cultures are not beset with social problems. I don’t suppose any academic raised these flies in the ointment.
The two things that work against the problems identified are strong families and work. Both are eroded by unconditional welfare. Not by income inequality.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Wikileaks again being totally irresponsible and putting innocent lives at risk, not to mention the security of the West. The newly released documents are said to show “details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen”. That can only be seen as Wikileaks aiding terrorism and helping our enemies. The terrorists will read this and change strategies.
This has more to do with wikileaks liberal idealist ideology than anything else.
Wikileaks leader should be prosecuted for being a traitor and thrown in a deep dark cell with the rest of the terrorists – he is doing just as much to help them as any jihadist.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
What ideology supports keeping government as secretive as possible?
I think government transparency should mainly be the norm – there could be a good case made for secrecy in some circumstances, but as soon as you use it for some things it’s hard to stem it being used too much.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Pete, there is a reason that not all information is free; or do you think it should be?
Governments have been spying since … forever, since ancient times. I bet if you looked at details of the Cold War there would be more spying then today even. It keeps people safe.
What wikileaks has done is unconscionable.
It’s an effort of the West to beat up on ourselves for the supposed wrongs we’ve done – something Obama has been very good at. He thinks that if we keep apologizing then somehow terrorist attacks will stop
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Why is David Carter giving into Jewish pressure to exempt them from animal slaughter laws ? National Radio reported that he received emails equating him to a Nazi if he wouldn’t allow them to practice their primitive religious rituals. We shouldn’t pander to any religious ideology whether Muslim, Jewish,Christian, Maori etc etc.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Brash seems to be a hero to some but as a few have posted he has limited appeal to the majority of voters. To me he is a boring , tedious ,old tosser..and I think he is racist also . He oozes hatred for Maori people at the same time as inciting others to hate Maori people. Winston Peters manages to criticise race based policies without oozing hatred. He does this intelligently and articulately. Brash’s utterences are those of a very bitter , biggot. He sounds like the boy who didn’t get picked for the team..the one who lost the girl , the one who missed first prize..In any setting , bitterness is always extremely unattractive…It is one thing to criticise policies on a factual basis , quite another to ooze hatred..There is something particularly ”Auckland” about him..I imagine he has quite a lot of support there
Vote:His far right policies have been tried and found wanting so these views make him sound very old fashioned.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
@joana
What a load of drivel
Brash might be stayed, dull and out of touch but I don’t see how the fuck he ooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzesssss racism. Is that because be doesn’t grovel to the far left?
Hell I would have Brash over Winston Peters any day… and I don’t support Brash.
As for “There is something particularly ”Auckland” about him”
What pure crap, Brash is a fish out of water in cosmopolitan diverse Auckland.
If anything I could see him as part of the furniture at the ‘terrace’ or minister of culture for ChCh (complaints to Labour party HQ)
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
To be honest, I don’t know who I’ll vote for in the next election. We had to get rid of Helen, and I don’t like Labour, but Key is off on this Maori appeasement bent with the foreshore and seabed thing (which should have been kept under Govt control).
The trouble with Key is that he using strategies he learned while trading that don’t transfer well to running a country.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Key looks ill…he may not be a contender.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Phil still looks ill, should take a pill and chill before voters kill the dill.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
How do you know that if it’s done in secret? I’m sure secrecy has had some benefits, but probably at least as many downsides and bad outcomes. It certainly doesn’t keep everyone safe.
Secrecy doesn’t work well in personal relationships, we don’t want local government secrecy, we don’t want national government secrecy, so why should secrecy in international affairs be some great unquestionable solution?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Pete – there is a good case for international secrecy in certain circumstances. Some governments and free agents want to hurt one or the other party in those relationships and any information like that can be of help to them. That is, there are hardly agents of the Waikato Regional Council out to destroy the BOP RC so their correspondence with HBRC can be released. That is not the case with international relations.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Pete, you’re serious? You can’t be.
Vote:The West is at war with terrorists and other mad dictators. You’re saying we ought to openly let Kim John il, Mugabe, Abadinajad, etc, know what we’re up to? That if they know what we’re doing then we’ll have peace? I’m afraid they have other aspirations, my friend.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
If that soldier is guilty of the leaks to alleged rapist Assange then he should be shot for treachery.
Assange an Australian? Australians serving on the front line. He should also be done for treachery.
PG as always pretending to be open and reasonable….of course govts have to have secrets! duh.
Al Jazeera news were loving every minute of this latest embarrasment to the US ,but they would wouldn’t they?
Tom Hunter .Good point about the banks and the citizenry.
Vote:I’m all for banks making money and keeping mine safe. But what a bunch of arseholes buying “products” they didn’t understand or even care as long as they were making their huge short term “profits”and getting their bonuses.
The modern world could learn a lot from our grandfathers generation……traditional values,hard work,savings, thrift, investment…..basically the old fashioned Protestant work ethic.Slow but steady.
But that’s not “sexy” is it? Now look at the shit we’re in!
November 29th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
It’s a serious question Fletch. My initial reaction was that surely some degree of secrecy must be necessary. But is there any proof of this?
Secrecy has a habit of backfiring and cause more problems than it avoids in relationships. Why should that be any different in international relationships?
Once suspicions are raised, and trust is threatened, countries just end up playing guessing games, often dangerous ones. Spying is notoriously inaccurate, always provides incomplete information and often provides false and misleading information.
Why not be honest with people, and with countries?
Maybe you can point to evidence that international spying and secrecy does good. Or is it’s effectiveness a secret too?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Pete, I see where you’re coming from, but this would only work in a perfect world where all countries had noble intentions; however they don’t. Some countries have intentions that don’t mesh with Western ideals – Islamic countries for example, want worldwide Sharia law. Countries like this are never going to be open because they want to hide what they’re doing – who they’re going to bomb next, for example, or what the next strike they’re planning against Israel is.
Thus, countries like Israel or the US have to resort to being covert to find out when the next attack might be in order to protect themselves and their citizens. Making it public how they are finding out this information endangers lives.
As was the saying in WWII, “loose lips sink ships”
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
What do you reckon the odds are that the pricks who helped Zaoui after he crashed into NZ will try to get Julian Assange safe haven in New Zealand?
This time, let’s be ready to battle these far leftists and the wimps and MSM who rallied round them.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Bugger! Leslie Nielsen died.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/28/actor-leslie-nielsen-dies-of-complications-from-pneumonia/?hpt=T2
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
The different aspect of this bunch of Wikileaks material is that they focus on diplomatic cables and such like. There really is not too much here that is “secret” even according to the classifications of the original documents.
But that does not mean that this is not a big problem for the US and other governments around the world. The art of diplomacy is to receive and deliver messages that are either vague or precise, tough or gentle, direct or indirect as the situation demands. The art of knowing what to say and what not to say – and when!
But in figuring out what that message should be the diplomats have to make hard-nosed assessments of the case at hand and the people involved: motives, facts on the ground, personality quirks, etc, etc. They may think that the leader of Trashcanistan is a mercenary bastard who’ll stab them in the back in a heartbeat, or that they’re stupid. But whatever the assessment, saying all that out in the open will not help anybody.
Given that people practice diplomacy in their everyday lives, in personal and professional relationships, why on earth should we think it does not apply to nation states or that it’s not important? I think we’ve run across “undiplomatic” people in our lives – they’re not generally very useful to society or anybody they know.
Assange has deliberately struck at the heart of these sorts of “secrets”. This stuff will not just damage the US but any friend of the US, which is exactly his intention. He’s not trying for a more free and open world but for the defeat of the Great Satan. Even Der Spiegal recognizes this:
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
“This stuff will not just damage the US but any friend of the US, which is exactly his intention. He’s not trying for a more free and open world but for the defeat of the Great Satan.”
Great stuff. This Assange guy deserves a medal. A main prerequisite for creating a free and open world, is the defeat and utter destruction of the United States as a global imperialist bully.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I see the Met Office in the UK predicted on October the 28th that there was a 60-80% chance of a mild Winter in the UK this year. This prediction came from their super computer, you know the one that predicts catastrophic global warming. Well one month later Wales recorded it’s coldest November since records began. Independent weather forecasters disputed the Met office’s prediction at the time, but no the “models” in the super computer must be right. Yeah right!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
“This Assange guy deserves a medal.”
Somehow I don’t think he is going to be getting any medals, I wonder how long it will be before Mr Assange suffers a terrible accident.
It is interesting that the left have conveniently forgotten that Assange is still under a cloud re his rape charge, had he been a right winger we would never have heard the end of it.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
“The West is at war with terrorists and other mad dictators. You’re saying we ought to openly let Kim John il, Mugabe, Abadinajad, etc, know what we’re up to? “
Those nations with societies and modes of development which are at odds with Western prescriptions are demonised and characterised as dangers to the security of the West. This of course is an excuse to use Western military power to smash these countries over the head with, invade their lands, and dominate their resources. That is what makes the USA and UK in particular the biggest threats to world peace. Any country which has different civilisational values is automatically deemed a threat. Its no different from wanting to home invade my neighbours house because I don’t like the way he speaks to his wife, or the colour he painted his house.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
On the face of it I agree with your question, but I think there are two factors that make it not quite that simple.
First is that (as I understand it) virtually all of our beef, sheep and poultry are currently slaughtered according to Halal to make it acceptable for export to Muslim markets. So in effect we already pander to that religious ideology purely for economic reasons.
Second is that those who want meat slaughtered the shechita way have to import it from Australia. I have no idea how big the shechita market is in NZ, but importing beef from Australia to satisfy that market seems self-defeating. The animals get slaughtered the shechita way anyway, and then imported, incurring extra costs and “food miles”, and affecting our trade balance.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
“That is what makes the USA and UK in particular the biggest threats to world peace. Any country which has different civilisational values is automatically deemed a threat.”
And your beloved communist China is lilly-white? Tell that to the Tibetans, comrade Zhumao
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
On Radio Left wing they were just having a giggle about W Nelson and cannabis. Not funny,cannabis is destructive and to have national radio laugh about it is irresponsible. Any way they mentioned Assange releases to the following newspapers……… the usual suspects NYT,Guardian and Spegel and one other that I guess is also lefty /climate changey/anti west./obamalovey.
And yes Assange does need a medal…..pinned over his heart and a blind fold,ready ,aim ,fire.
Zhumao…yeah we need more openness so we know when Chinese client state North Korea is going to murder southerners.
And when the Iranian Islamofascists are going to attempt to destabalise Lebanon and supply weapons to murder Israelis.
JImbob…….climate computers…..shit in /shit out. Enjoy the interglacial.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
I’m curious to know why people who want as much transparency in government as possible are happy to allow a blind eye at the international level where the future of the human race could be at stake.
A few travel perks are of critical importance, proof of birth yet again demanded, but we don’t want to know about playing chicken with nukes?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
England 517-1 Declared….lol
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Strauss lowest score in both innings.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Fletch so you like my idea of ALL the Foreshore etc being in crown hands with NO exceptions ?
Got fee simple title on Foreshore, too bad.
Or do you want exceptions to that rule ?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
“And your beloved communist China is lilly-white? Tell that to the Tibetans, comrade Zhumao”
Of course I never said China was perfect, only that the US and UK are the worst threats to world peace.
China has about zero non-peace keeping troops stationed abroad I believe, and their military spending is about 1/7 that of the US. As for the Tibetans, what the fuck has that got to do with it. Tibet is a wholly legitimate and integral part of China, as much as Queensland is part of Australia. This fact has long been accepted by every single nation in the world, New Zealand, Australia, the United States, and Britain included, even in fact well before the communist victory in 1949. So you are talking out of your asshole.
“And when the Iranian Islamofascists are going to attempt to destabalise Lebanon and supply weapons to murder Israelis.”
And how many innocent Lebanese have the Israelis murdered?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
yeah we need more openness so we know when Chinese client state North Korea is going to murder southerners.
So if my mates and I patrol the footpath in front of your house, letting off AK47 rounds into the air, pointing guns at your children, and threatening your wife, how would you respond?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
What a bunch of hypocrites the yanks are, when Drudge was shouting about Prince Harry being in Afghanistan they were ranting along with their NZ based fellow travelers the the freedom of speech outweighed military security.
Oh dear, the worm has turned now they are ranting it is wrong for sensitive information to be made public .
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
That socialist Spanish silly sex ad worked really well for them. They slumped to their worst showng since the late 70′s.
Vote:ha ha.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Sifting through the Wikileaks shite now. Found a load of shocking stuff like, um,
Oh wait, hang on, this is stuff I and everyone else already knew. Zzzzzzz. In fact, this is great – like the Afghan War leaks, the only thing this stuff does is strengthen the case against Iran; the documents show that the US is doing all it can to keep the worst Iranian excesses quiet so they can’t do anything. In the end, I can’t imagine anyone outside A) anti-American leftist mongs with chips on their shoulders like Zhumao (CHINA WIRR GLOW RARGER) and GOH (awww shit bro ah loves dem Turks) and B) geopolitics nerds like me to care too much about this stuff.
Oh yeah, Zhumao, a little bit of heartache: your colleagues have to been told to keep their mouths shut. I guess your expose isn’t working out too well.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
@Zhumao, what about the way he stones his kids, or whips his wife? Would you do anything then?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
China is the greatest threat to peace..a currency war is usually followed by a real war.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
So Key is suggesting that Pike River might be the end of underground mining in NZ.
So we have a list. No change to smacking.
No change to youth employment rates.
No change to the EFA of any consequence.
No change to the ETS.
Maori are going to get all the foreshore and minerals.
now Mining is too dangerous.
How long before its too dangerous to get out of bed in the morning.
These shiny arsed seat pushes should just piss off.
We have a queer boy in Cabinet that is behaving in a manner not much better than his predecessor.
Did we have a change of Govt. Seemingly not.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
But his polling is still good so you would have to believe that a useless, shit, government that lies through its teeth is what we dumb New Zealanders crave.
We only swapped them last time cause the new leader isn’t as ugly as the last one perhaps.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
grumpy’s hatred of the United States is staggering. Racial complex, maybe?
It’s worth remembering that had they survived the conflagration last century, your whanau would be speaking German. Te Reo and other Maori “contributions” to world culture would’ve been obliterated from the face of the earth hadn’t the Americans intervened during WW II.
The least you can do is be grateful.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
“different civilisational values”
I must say, I hadn’t heard this euphemism for murderous and oppressive regimes before.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
No suprises there, Viking2. Key and his spineless followers will continue to tread Labour’s path.
Vote:Labour-lite is completely bereft of ideas. The same applies to the wimp we call Prime minister.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
whats the alternative then?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Really? It’s standard fare in many “liberal” arts university departments (and their graduates in many cases) across the Western world for the last 20-30 years Wat. All part of multiculturalism you see; non-judgemental (well aside from the base reference point of that awful, awful Western civilisation).
The propaganda departments of Imperial Japan would have wet themselves with delight had they been able to exploit such an idea across the intellectual, political and journalistic elites of the US in 1940/41.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
The alternative is to reclaim the founding principles of the National Party:
The National Party seeks a safe, prosperous and successful New Zealand that creates opportunities for all New Zealanders to reach their personal goals and dreams.
We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:
• Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment
All of the above abandoned for the sake of keeping political power, even at the expense of selling the country to the racists, breaking election promises, and hampering economic development.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Grumpy has never recovered from being beaten by the Turks.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
And Iran would encourage and assist everyone as well. Which is all the more reason why Israel won’t tolerate it, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. MAD still applies to all sides. It’s just that Israel loses her ace card, which is why she won’t tolerate it, and acts vigorously to make sure the US and the rest of the west won’t tolerate it either.
No it will be in Jerusalem Mahmoud, and we will win.
Never BB since everyone is now watching. Maybe in 20 years when no-one remembers.
What concerns me is what this is going to do to diplomatic openness and disclosure. Message security and disposal is no doubt under heavy review in every way in most modern countries right now. Very lax, to give low-level people this opportunity.
Zhumao, this man is a traitor. If he published China’s military traffic while it conducted operations in its various territories would you be so enthusiastic?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Here’s an overview of some of the documents I’ve looked at (warning: loooooooooooooong):
Harare, Zimbabwe, 2007: Mugabe is a nutjob and doesn’t understand economics. No surprise there.
London, UK, Jan 2010: a critic of the Islamist regime in Iran called Ali Reza Nourizadeh reports that he is being targeted by Iranian intelligence. An Iranian hitman named Mohammad Reza Sadeqinia was arrested in the US based on this information.
Ashgarat, Turkmenistan, Feb 2009: a weapons cache hidden in a Iranian diplomatic pouch found by Customs. Contained AK-47s, sniper rifles and ammunition.
Ashgarat, Feb 2009: Reports of Russia and Turkmenistan restarting uranium production from Turkish ambassador.
Ashgarat, June 2009: Elections watchers say Mahmoud Ahmedinejad stole the election. Calls him “another Pinochet.” Redacted says the Iranian authorities are merciless and will crack down on any protests with all force available. Comment at the end: During our conversation our interlocutor recalled the words of his father [detail removed] during the lead-up to the 1979 revolution. He said that his father warned him against joining the revolution and to “watch out for the Islamists.” “Once they get power,” he had said, “they’ll never relinquish it. People are going to be sorry.”
Ashgarat, June 2009: Election watcher says for US government to not enter direct talks with Iranian government as doing so would undermine protestor’s faith in Obama’s message of change. Compares totalitarian nature of Iran’s government with fascist Germany and Italy. Public more exasperated with sanctions than with threat of attack by Israel. Sanctions not working due to surreptitious payments of money via US and Europe.
Amman, Jordan, April 2009: Summary of document – [i]“Jordan’s leaders believe such engagement would reward regional hardliners while undermining Arab moderates – without convincing Iran to cease its support for terrorism, end its nuclear program or drop its hegemonic aspirations. Jordanian officials argue that the best way to counter Iran’s ambitions is to weaken the salience of its radicalism on the Arab street by fulfilling the promise of a “two-state solution,” resolving other Arab-Israeli disputes, and making sure that Iraq’s political and security institutions are not overwhelmed by Iranian influence when the U.S. drawdown is complete. If U.S.-Iran engagement does proceed in earnest, Jordan hopes to be closely consulted in advance and for its interests to be taken into account.”[/i]
Buenos Aires, Argentina, Dec 1966: Argentina extends its territorial waters legislation to encompass the Falkland Islands. Embassy to use pressure to get Argentina to back down with permission from State Department.
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, Feb 2009: Chinese ambassador Zhang Yannian accused of offering Kyrgyz government $300 million in exchange for shutting down Manas Air Base. Denies this, says Kyrgyz is in Russia’s sphere of influence and complains that Chinese Gitmo inmates are being shipped to Germany, not China. Says Russia is trying to do a deal with Kyrgyzstan to shut down Manas and advises just paying Kyrgyzstan $150 million a year to keep Manas open.
Here’s an interesting one. Beirut, Lebanon, July 2009. Meeting between Caretaker PM Fouad Siniora and CENTCOM commander General David Petraeus. Siniora thanks Petraeus for military assistance. States that resolution of Palestinian refugee camps should also take Lebanon into account (they have 12 of them). Pleased but wary of US-Syria engagement and advised US not reward them unless Syria takes positive action first. Petraeus states that Assad has invited him to meet, but time is not appropriate; also states desire to see Syria brought back towards the Arab world and away from Iran. S and P agree that recent Iranian protests expose cracks in the system. S advises that an Israeli strike on Iran would be counter-productive. P states that outside force against Iran is a not a desire of the US’ and that Iran’s aggression has produced a significant expansion in US military co-operation and partnerships with the Gulf states. S reports rumour that Pakistan is ready to sell some nuclear stock to other countries; P assures S that this is a rumour but does not discount possibility that neighbouring countries would shop around for its own arsenal if Iran went nuclear. Pakistani government acknowledges Taliban as an existential threat to Pakistan.
Baku, Azerbaijan, March 2009: A UK-registered company called Insultec owned by British citizens of Indian origin is assisting Iran in the development of its reactor in Busheir, acting against UN sanctions.
One of the overviews I’m getting from here is that Qatar(!) is more of a threat than previously supposited. But, for the most part, it’s pretty tame stuff. The best things the leftists can get from it is that some Obamatard found the Honduran coup to be illegal but then the US opposed it so it’s not like they can do anything with that. Day 1 has been pretty tame. Now, for the rest of the week…
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment
fuck someone send this to shiney arse smile and wave quick..
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
More in what I already knew: Berserk Ebola hates Europe, loves the East.
They’ll still kiss his arse, though. Until the cable is revealed in which he expresses his real hatred for his mother’s ancestors.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Zhumao, what about the way he stones his kids, or whips his wife? Would you do anything then?
Well where in the world do people stone their kids – I don’t think in any culture is it acceptable to kill your own kids, except for perhaps isolated incidents of honour killings.
Basically I believe one should respect the laws in the lands where you reside. That is enough. And if Iran wants to stone adulterers or murderers that is the way they run their country. Of course one can protest about it all one wants, but to think that these regimes should be toppled by military action, direct or covert, is the height of fucking arrogance, and incredibly dangerous. The fact is the Iranian government is a popular one, and most people in Iran are happy with the way Iran is.
Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?
Other countries don’t have to have practices, or customs, or folkways, you like in order to be deemed worthy of existence. If you want to know why the US is hated around the world, just think of how you would feel if the Chinese made demands on NZ in respect of adhering to the Treaty of Waitangi, or returning the seabed and foreshore to its rightful owners. Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
You aren’t reading this cables then, are you?
Chinese curture supelior in evely vay!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
“Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.”
Such as?
“You aren’t reading this cables then, are you?”
Hurf, just cause a son whose father told him they shouldn’t let the Muslims in during the revolution cause they’d stay forever and he (the son) said Ahmadinejad stole the election, doesn’t mean the entire Iranian population believes that.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
The propaganda departments of Imperial Japan would have wet themselves with delight ……
The difference is of course Japan was already occupying about half of China, all of Korea, and was a direct threat to the Europes colonies in Asia. Whereas Iran basically threatens no one, and North Korea is cornered and continually threatened by Japan, the United States and South Korea.
It is rather strange that the only people beating the war drums against Iran are the UK and the US, countries far away from Iran. Iran’s nearest neighbours don’t have much of a problem with her, and Russia and China neither. If Iran really was all that dangerous and ruled by nutcases ready to chuck nukes around, surely neighbouring nations, and also Russia and China would be as concerned as the US? But why aren’t they? Perhaps the so called Iranian threat is just a crock of shit cooked up by the US and its UK lapdog.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Well I’m sure if they stop oppressing and slaughtering their people the west will stop picking on them.
Don’t think we have picked on Singapore or Malaysia or Kuwait or Abu Dhabi or even South Africa for a while Zhumao.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
“Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?”
It may well be racist, but in the next breath the left want the white countries to cough up endless amounts of cash for the latest famine or flood in some god forsaken shit hole.
Personally, I would be happy to let other countries deal with things how they see fit, but, the cost of that would be the end of all foreign aide by western nations, got a earthquake that has killed thousands of your own people?…tough fucking luck, got an epidemic that is sweeping some shitty third world country?…tough luck, deal with it yourself.
How is that for a deal Comrade?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
You really aren’t reading these cables at all, are you? Just scroll up. There’s an handy overview of some pretty damning stuff against the Iranian regime.
5000 yerrs of grolious chinese curture!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
“Sifting through the Wikileaks shite now”
How I would love to see Wikileaks release thousands of documents from the UN.
Then we could see how much of our money Klark has to fork over to the UN to get the cushy job.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I’d have thought spying on the UN would be a given considering how much anti-Western crap they get up to.
One of the harsh truths about diplomacy which the idealists really don’t understand is that international relations isn’t a ghetto community mural where everyone gets a say.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Perhaps it was also cooked up by the one nation that is threatened by a nuclear Iran. But no, nah, couldn’t be.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
but, the cost of that would be the end of all foreign aide by western nations, got a earthquake that has killed thousands of your own people?…tough fucking luck, got an epidemic that is sweeping some shitty third world country?…tough luck, deal with it yourself.
Come on. You can’t be serious. All countries make donations to others in times of natural disaster. Even Bangladesh donated to the US to help with Katrina. As for so called aid, that is a drop of piss in the ocean compared to the way Western nations have stripped mined Asia and African for resources at the point of a gun in very recent history.
So stick your self-righteous ignorant drivel up your ass big bruv
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
I’d have thought spying on the UN would be a given considering how much anti-Western crap they get up to.
Come on. The UN is still largely controlled by the West. Three of the five permanent members with veto power are Britain, France, and the US. Britain and France, are upstart little wannabees. They should be replaced by more derserving countries such as Indonesia, and Iran.
Perhaps it was also cooked up by the one nation that is threatened by a nuclear Iran
And that one nation you allude to is 99.9% already a nuclear power. Hypocrite.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
“Western nations have stripped mined Asia and African for resources at the point of a gun in very recent history.”
Ha hahahha. Hypocrite what country might be mining the shit out of its own dirt and bribing the Afros to do the same thing to their countries.
I think your street address is Unit 2/6 Glenmore Street. Kelburn 6011. Zhumao.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Well I’m sure if they stop oppressing and slaughtering their people the west will stop picking on them.
JohnBoy. Where is this ‘oppression’ and ‘slaughtering’ of their own people? The US has murdered more innocent civilians these past few decades than any other nation. Please supply some examples of countries like Iran or China, say, ‘slaughtering’ their own people.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Zhumao mad.
You read the cables yet?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
http://www.womensenews.org/story/commentary/040211/sex-slavery-new-face-oppression-women-iran
http://www.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&biw=1507&bih=803&q=Iran+oppression&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=jljzTNWEJ5LUtQOxq5zsCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CD0QsAQwAw
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2237138/posts
http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2010/10/cultural-oppression-in-iran.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_china.htm
http://freetibet.blog.co.uk/2009/09/23/60-years-of-oppression-by-the-chinese-communist-party-freedom-human-rights-and-democracy-now-7021645/
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/speech%20by%20Bache%20in%20New%20York.htm
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2010/s10100127.htm
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/death-penalty-report-china-must-end-secrecy-surrounding-sentences-and-execut
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=37080
My clicking finger is getting tired Zhumao.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Educate yourselves you fucking bunch of ignorant cocksuckers. There are alternative versions of the truth out there you most likely have never explored. Yet you think you know it all. Arrogant fuckers.
Iranian dude schools this lying neocon punk and puts him in his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_3KxTiJrJw
Alexander Dugin resolutely defends North Korea thus “a dot of nonconformity in the face of overwhelming pressure…and an island of freedom like Cuba”.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Hey yuo getting velly angly cookie boy. Yuo should sit down and take a deep bleth.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
“So if we want to be free and independent, and if we want to retain our humanity and our national and societal sense of dignity, then we must mobilise in defense of North Korea” Alexander Dugin
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
“and an island of freedom like Cuba”
Er…
You may be pushing it uphill there Zhumao, just a little bit, not a lot.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Zhumao arriving in NZ.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1d0mh_benny-
hill-chinaman_fun
(To buy the Crafar farms.)
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Zhumao’s lost the fucking plooooooooooooooooooooot. Hide the knives!
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
I am deadly serious Zhumao, as a western white male of a supposed first world nation I am happy to overlook the atrocities of the third world, happy to overlook the odd stoning of some poof or alleged adulterer.
All I want is to be left alone by socialists and communists who demand money from me when one of these dumps has some sort of natural disaster.
Or are you suggesting that we should just shut the fuck up and hand over the money, money that invariably does not end up where is is supposed to go.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Oh yes…please can we see Zhumao defend North Korea, that should be good for a laugh
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
All I want is to be left alone by socialists and communists who demand money from me when one of these dumps has some sort of natural disaster.
Demand money from you? What’s all this bs about the third world taking from the first? Surely the other way round. Let’s see the US give up its entire influence in Asia, the Middle East, Central Asia, Latin America, and just go fucken home. Do you think they will? Of course not. Because they benefit from controlling the world’s resources to their own advantage. That is fucking why.
And when was the last time New Zealand sent a huge bundle of money to some country with a natural disaster. Can you please provide the amount. Or are you just spouting a whole lot of drivel?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Zhumao does have a fair point. He accurately portrays the perception of the west amongst other nations.
Don’t overlook that.
Perception is reality. Whether or not we think we’re like that is not the point.
The point is, others see us like that. They do. That doesn’t mean they’re right, but that’s the reality. Dealing with it as a reality is the only way forward in geopolitics.
“Yet the West makes analgous demands on Asians and Africans all the fucken time.”
Such as?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
I am happy to overlook the atrocities of the third world, happy to overlook the odd stoning of some poof or alleged adulterer.
That part of your rant, was the only reasonable part.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
“Do you think they will? Of course not. Because they benefit from controlling the world’s resources to their own advantage. That is fucking why.”
You velly selective in your comments Zhumao.
Towing Hu’s line may we ask?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/business/global/01minerals.html
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2010/October/29101001.asp
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-29/china-defends-control-of-rare-earth-exports-as-move-to-protect-environment.html
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Zhumao
You seem to be suffering from the same problem as our old pal Redbaiter. We live in NZ, we have fuck all to do with what happens in the USA, we have even less say in their foreign policy, if you have questions for the Yanks then go and bloody ask them, and while you are at it, take Redbaiter with you.
Now, could you please answer the question, do you think that we should just hand over money to these shit holes in return for nothing at all?
Why is it that you think there should be no conditions attached?, every year the NZ government gives away millions of our dollars (without our consent) to third world nations and other assorted bludgers, personally I would rather that we kept the money in NZ or better still let the tax payer keen a bit more of his own money and tell the third world to go and fuck itself.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
What the fuck has China’s control of rare earth’s got to do with anything Johnny boy? Did China invade other countries for control of those rare earth’s. Was China’s control of them obtained by immoral or dishonest means? No. In fact rare earths are everywhere. It is the technology to extract them which China has currently developed, while the US has left their own industry to founder. That is not the fault of the Chinese. And that is way different from going half way around the world to invade and bomb the shit out of sovereign countries which have never done the invader any harm in any way shape or form.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Oh look the coward of kiwiblog big bruv is backstabbing redbaiter again. FFS what a weak, wimpish blowhard.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Big Bruv. New Zealand gives fuck all in terms of foreign aid – in fact NZ is one of the stingiest donors in the entire OECD. So relax. The minute amount that NZ gives in foreign aid does not affect you.
We live in NZ, we have fuck all to do with what happens in the USA, we have even less say in their foreign policy,
So that is why NZ has troops in Afghanistan abetting the US in their murder of Afghan civilians, right?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
“tell the third world to go and fuck itself.”
Insane rhetoric spewed out by a deranged and unhinged big bruv.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Folks it’s coming down to the wire…
Zhumao currently holding off BB, JohnBoy. Hurf retired. reid an interested observer, since Zhumao hasn’t yet answered his polite question.
Drama.
D4J makes a late play, immediately engaging BB.
Will this change the game, will taking BB temporarily out of play give Zhumao an opening that he then tears through, decimating the competition for a touchdown?
Crikey.
Isn’t this exciting.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
You brought the subject up of the west controlling the earths resources Zhumao not me. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your argument.
The west controlled them in the past because of the industrial revolution, (You may have heard of it. It started in Britain not China).
As for going half way round the world to bomb the shit out of sovereign countries I seem to remember that your Chinese people were fairly grateful to have the Enola Gay drop its payload over Hiroshima.
At the time they probably regarded it as tit for tat for the rape of Nanking but again I note your comments are extremely selective.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Isn’t it great seeing the poms give the aussies a spanking?
Mitchell Johnson, go back to your local 3rd XI champ, you are a trundler.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Crikey.
Isn’t this exciting.
More exciting than the Blackcaps reid?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
“The minute amount that NZ gives in foreign aid does not affect you.”
Good…then the third world would not miss it if we stopped giving, that sounds like a deal I could live with.
“So that is why NZ has troops in Afghanistan abetting the US in their murder of Afghan civilians, right?”
I prefer to say we are doing our little bit, personally I would have liked us to do a lot more but we had to suffer under Klark for nine years. As for the civilians….well if they keep firing bullets at us then I suppose we have to fire back, and anyway, I don’t give a shit if some of them are killed, they see our way of life as cheap and expendable so I fail to see why we should treat them any other way.
Now Zhumao, how about answering that question of mine?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
All this crying about diplomatic leaks and Chinese insecurity and rectal anguish, we’re losing focus on the important things in life.
RIP Leslie Nielsen, they won’t call you Shirley anymore.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I think he is on a noodle break BB.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
No wonder he was called Shirley.
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November 29th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Basically I believe one should respect the laws in the lands where you reside. That is enough. And if Iran wants to stone adulterers or murderers that is the way they run their country…Does every fucking non-white country have to present a report of their ‘performance’ on so called ‘human rights’ to white countries before they are deemed acceptable enough to same white countries not to attack? How racist is that?
So any atrocities committed by any regime are automatically acceptable; because to assert otherwise is racist.
I’m glad we got that cleared up.
I think I’m getting the hang of being a Progressive…
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
nickb
Any more talk like that and you will be off my Xmas card list.
How can anybody ever support the Poms?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Johnboy
You may well be right, hopefully he has taken my stalker with him.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
“I think I’m getting the hang of being a Progressive…”
Does it hurt on the outside as well as on the inside?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
It only hurts on the outside reid if the targets of your progressive agenda decide they don’t like it and kick the shit out of you.
I suggest starting with sheep first to test your theories and then move on to more challenging creatures.
Works for me.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Night all.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Yes the trouble is Johnboy the sheep just fall into this hypnotic trance and just stare and clap as I rant and rave. It’s a lot of fun. When I move onto actual people, which I plan to do quite soon, how do you recommend I should behave?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
As for the civilians….well if they keep firing bullets at us then I suppose we have to fire back, and anyway, I don’t give a shit if some of them are killed, they see our way of life as cheap and expendable so I fail to see why we should treat them any other way.
Maybe they see whitey lives as ‘cheap’ because they are foreign occupiers shooting up the locals. Just as New Zealanders would not take kindly to Iranian, or Chinese, or Nigerian troops say, strutting round Takapuna Beach and Queenstown.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
……. from the people who brought you Redbaiter…… we are proud to present…….Zhumao
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
“…because they are foreign occupiers shooting up the locals.”
OK.
Why are they there in the first place?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Maybe they see whitey lives as ‘cheap’ because they are foreign occupiers shooting up the locals. Just as New Zealanders would not take kindly to Iranian, or Chinese, or Nigerian troops say, strutting round Takapuna Beach and Queenstown.
According to your extreme nationalistic doctrine the tortured, oppressed and starved people of North Korea should in fact resist any liberating army bringing freedom and democracy, on the grounds that they’re not from round here.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Just to lighten the tone..
Does anyone else think Assange would make a great Bond villain?
All he needs is an expensive base in a mountain somewhere, and a long-haired white cat.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Zhumeo, actually the largest voting blok in the UN is the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) comprising some 57 states. And it doesn’t help that Obama is siding with many of the things they want to do, eg, the US co-sponsored a bill with Egypt, the so-called Religious Discrimination bill – but where it says “religion’ they really mean Islam. The bill passed it’s first reading, but is as yet unbinding, but is being voted upon again.
If it passes, it will be illegal to criticize Islam.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Fletch there’s a difference between control and voting rights in the UN as in many other bodies.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
Obama has this idea that Islamic terrorism is the fault of the West, all the things America has done, so he bows and scrapes and apologizes at every turn for America. He is not patriotic, and he isn’t proud. He is ashamed and embarrassed of America. He thinks that by constantly apologizing to countries like Iran that he can appease Islam.
He doesn’t realize (or won’t) that it has nothing to do with America; it goes back to the roots of Islam and Mohammed; that everyone must be under the rule of Islam or be defeated or subjugated.
He is a fool.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
According to your extreme nationalistic doctrine the tortured, oppressed and starved people of North Korea should in fact resist any liberating army bringing freedom and democracy
You think they would actually welcome you? Are you fucking deluded or what? Regardless of how people may or may not like their own government, that does not mean they would welcome foreign invasion. Never has been the case. If North Korea or Iran was invaded the people would rise up and bury the invader. These are people with balls who will not be bullied.
Yeah, and just because your idea of freedom is allowing men to openly kiss in public and fuck one another up the ass, and for women to leave husband and children to indulge in lesbian sex and that is all OK, there are plenty of people around the world who find such things absolutely abhorrent – as abhorrent as you would I presume, find stoning.
How fucking arrogant is it that you would think the world wants to be like a San Francisco bathhouse.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
“He [Obama] is a fool.”
He may be a fool. He may even be someone who leaves the US in a worse state than when he found it and he wouldn’t be the first President to have “accomplished” that. Lately we seem to have had rather more than usual.
Getting factual, one sees the US has squandered the international goodwill it had after 911 on foolish military-misadventure. Everyone knows what happened. Let’s not re-litigate. Fact remains, the US could have done it differently and at this point in time could have had an enhanced reputation in everyway. We all know that could have been done.
But it wasn’t. Despite having some of the best geo-political, military and technical minds on the planet. The reason it wasn’t, is because of the politicians. Successive politicians in the west have fucked up real bad.
Hence the world we have today. Aren’t we lucky.
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
210 miner deaths since 1900 in one-off tragedies (i.e in last 110 years)
378 died on our roads in car accidents this year alone!!!
Where’s the Royal Commission into our driving deaths?
Vote:November 29th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Zhumao
“You think they would actually welcome you? Are you fucking deluded or what? Regardless of how people may or may not like their own government, that does not mean they would welcome foreign invasion. Never has been the case. If North Korea or Iran was invaded the people would rise up and bury the invader. These are people with balls who will not be bullied.
Yeah, and just because your idea of freedom is allowing men to openly kiss in public and fuck one another up the ass, and for women to leave husband and children to indulge in lesbian sex and that is all OK, there are plenty of people around the world who find such things absolutely abhorrent – as abhorrent as you would I presume, find stoning.
How fucking arrogant is it that you would think the world wants to be like a San Francisco bathhouse.”
Let’s not get too carried away Zhumao. As far as I an aware there are no laws against homosexuality in China. Plenty of gay bars.
Would the world want to be like a Beijing gay bar?
Do you know there is a serious girl drought in China because the Chinese especially in the countryside tend to do away with female babies?
One has to wonder where the men will be sticking it?
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am
The Chinese may well be good at closing their eys and being overly patriotic about the CCP and accepting the corruption and guanxi system that still exists there.
Why not trade off a few human rights when there is full employment annd money to be made.
But wait until China’s economy takes a supersonic nosedive and a few million people are out of work, then see how loyal and patriotic they are.
There are already the signs, huge price rises in the south.
And you can’t move in the supermarkets in the north, not for customers but for staff doing nothing in the aisles.
China cannot sustain that sort of thing for much longer witn their economy changiong from export to domestic.
I’m sorry but when things get bleak, people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection and their money and houses are reducing at a scary rate.
The boom years are over.
Watch this space.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 2:05 am
As far as I an aware there are no laws against homosexuality in China. Plenty of gay bars.
So what? If China has these laws good for them. If other countries want to stone gays and adulterers to death, that is good for those countries also. Note that whatever social mores, laws, customs China has, they at least do not push them onto everyone else. That was my point. While China may now tolerate gays, they do not demand that other countries do likewise. Unlike the West.
I’m sorry but when things get bleak, people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection and their money and houses are reducing at a scary rate.
Fuck are you thick or what? When the economy tanks, the last thing people think of is so called ‘democracy’, ‘human rights’ etc. That is the type of thing people think of when the econonmy is going well, and they have food in their bellies, a roof over their head, a good job, and a computer. When the economy tanks, the likelihood is people gravitate to the political extremes – not to suddenly become instant democrats, you dumb fuck. And this is precisely what is happening now in China, with interest in Maoism resurgent, as well as increasing support for the Chinese ‘new left’ movement. And nationalism and hatred of the West (in fact well justified) will also increase if the economy goes down.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 3:57 am
I always know when I am winning an argument when the other person resorts to personal abuse. Fortunately for you I am not drinking (much) at the moment.
That is exactly what I am saying, when the econony folds, people will attack everything and they won’t be blindly over-patriotic to a system they pretty much do not even understand and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.
Of course, deep down most Chinese hate foreigners, with the propoganda machine still rolling on nicely what else would you expect?
Western media always attacks China? Boohoo, ever heard Chinese media on the USA, not exactly what I would call objective or positive, I mean it is heavily controlled by the CCP for a start.
But what I cannot understand about the Chinese, if you hate the West so much why are so many of you gagging to leave the mainland and live in the horrible (prosperous and free) West?
You sound to me like an NZBC or something.
Have you ever lived in the mainland?
Where are you from Mr Superintelligent?
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 4:45 am
“that is exactly what I am saying, when the econony folds, people will attack everything and they won’t be blindly over-patriotic to a system …….”
That is not what you said. This is what you said “people won’t like the fact they don’t have a democracy, human rights protection ….”
And how are you ‘over-patriotic to a system’. You are not ‘patriotic’ to a system. You are ‘patriotic’ to a nation. You are either loyal or disloyal to a system.
“and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.”
Huh? Please clarify. China’s profile is pretty good at the moment. The Chinese are perhaps more happy with their international profile right now than at any other point in history. Care to elaborate?
“Of course, deep down most Chinese hate foreigners, with the propoganda machine still rolling on nicely what else would you expect?”
Bullshit. We hate getting lectured to by foreigners on how to run our own affairs, mainly by those foreigners from the same nations which invaded us in living memory. I suppose New Zealanders would also be fucked off with say the Japanese if the Japanese took it upon themselves to monitor and make demands of New Zealand on how well it is adhering to the Treaty of Waitangi, and whether those activists arrested in the Ureweras a couple of years ago are getting due process.
That is different from hating foreigners because they are foreigners. And please provide just one Chinese newspaper article in which xenophobia and hatred of minorities or foreigners is encouraged. Please. Just provide the link to one article. If you cannot, you must be talking out of your asshole.
“Boohoo, ever heard Chinese media on the USA, not exactly what I would call objective or positive, I mean it is heavily controlled by the CCP for a start.”
Again. Provide me one article that is obviously anti-American. It is not the type of stuff that was run during the Cultural Revolution. Most reporting on the West is quite positive, with a lot of everyday human interest stories, as well as sports news. Whereas reporting on China in the West always manages to add a sinister spin to a story.
“But what I cannot understand about the Chinese, if you hate the West so much why are so many of you gagging to leave the mainland and live in the horrible (prosperous and free) West?”
Again. Chinese do not hate the West. They hate what the West has done to them in the past, and the bullying tactics the West still employs today towards developing nations, China included. And the reason why people migrate to the West is because the West is still by far the most prosperous developed place in the world. People have always followed the wealth. None more so than white people. When China becomes more prosperous immigration from there will slow. How many Japanese migrants do you get, or Singaporean. Fuck all.
In any case, the West has got more than its pound of flesh from China, New Zealand included. Chinese moving to the West want to enjoy some of the wealth stolen off their ancestors. That is fair enough.
“Have you ever lived in the mainland?”
Vote:Yes, for many years. My family lives on the mainland.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:04 am
hahahahaa just read a bit of your book on the web —reads little better than that Korean mass murderer’s Seung-Hui Cho’s, “Richard McBeef” —the level of english is about the same -hahahahaha. —you need to change jobs, cause you are giving it away for free on the net eh?
And what is this ” the most misunderstood culture of our times.” There are slightly more Chinese than whites in the entire world. To them Chinese culture is not ‘misunderstood’. Also hundreds of millions of other Asians who are of similar cultural background as the Chinese. So if whiteys misunderstand Chinese culture, then Chinese culture must be the most ‘misunderstood’ of our times. Is that what you mean?
And I suppose you have an awesome understanding eh? How much Mandarin, or Cantonese do you speak tosser?
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:06 am
ZM – [“and are beginning to realize is making their international profile around the world a joke.”
Huh? Please clarify. China’s profile is pretty good at the moment. The Chinese are perhaps more happy with their international profile right now than at any other point in history. Care to elaborate?]
Are you kidding me?
Yeah the Pope and the Nobel Peace Prize committee have such a tiny influence around the world.
Your mind is far too Eastern in its thinking.
You are to me part of the Chinese propoganda machine which starts right from primary school and continues into adulthood.
Yeah, yeah, the foreigners came and stole all our sacred artifacts. And we”ll never forgive them for it. Why did you let them take them as well as your gun powder?
You know, I have actually met Chinese people who are not such parrots as you. Why have a more objective voice on Tibet and Taiwan.
They are usually hidden away, for obvious reasons, taken out of school, but they do exist and they are getting larger in population.
Now that is a refreshing change for China, independant thought and voice. Imagine that.
But as for you, stick to the textbooks and the pet shop, Mr CCP Parrot.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:11 am
When I first arrived in China many students usually actually denied the Tianmen massacre occurred or they were just too scared to talk about it.
Things are changing slowly but people like you will only slow down the development.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:16 am
It’s not free actually. Why don’t you buy it, you may learn something about modern China and its people at least.
And I can speak quite a lot of Mandarin actually sha bi!
Haha, how much can you speak?
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:25 am
I’m talking about international profile thickshit. Not what a handful of Western countries think. INTERNATIONAL does not equate to just what the US, and UK think.
I don’t see too many Nigerians, Russians, Bulgarians, Cubans, Vietnamese, Indians, Indonesians, Egyptians, Venezualans getting too worked up about the fate of Liu Xiaobo. In fact several countries, including Russia have joined in boycotting the awards ceremony.
So you see. A fair proportion of the world’s population, in fact a large majority, does not give a shit about Liu Xiaobo, and would likely not give a shit even if he was taken out and had his head blown clean off.
“Your mind is far too Eastern in its thinking.”
OK Mr expert. You a mind reader now. How many Asian languages do you speak?
“They are usually hidden away, for obvious reasons, taken out of school, but they do exist and they are getting larger in population.”
hahahaha –really —I find it hard to believe that you are thick to the point where you do not realise how stupid you sound.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:30 am
And I can speak quite a lot of Mandarin actually sha bi!
Wow! ‘Quite’ a bit. About as much say as the typical Chinese migrant to NZ can speak English eh? Does that make the typical Chinese student in NZ, or the immigrant who has lived here for five years an expert on the ‘Western mind’?
Of course not. And yes, I speak Cantonese (my mother tongue), and passable Mandarin. And it is not only my command of Chinese which is better than yours, but also my command of english. Hahahaha –now do you feel like the useless prick you most obviously are? hahahahahahaha
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:30 am
Why do you even live in New Zealand if you hate the West so much?
Are you even in New Zealand, must be pretty late there now huh?
Well, if you can’t even speak Mandarin I hardly think you can call yourself and expert on China.
Hong Kong? Is that where you are from? Hardly the REAL China.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:39 am
Well, if you can’t even speak Mandarin I hardly think you can call yourself and expert on China.
I said passable Mandarin, Mr Shorter, and in fact I never said I am an expert on China. I am simply Chinese, and as anyone with any knowledge of China would know, as long as one can read and write Chinese one can communicate with the whole of China, regardless of differences in dialect.
You are a sad sad character Mr Shorter.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 5:55 am
You should be careful my friend, republishers of defamatory articles are quite open to be sued for defamation themselves.
And it is no defence that you are merely republishing.
I imagine, late as it is you will be booted from Kiwiblog and quite rightly.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 6:21 am
Actually, the true story is pretty interesting and I will be writing it myself in good time.
It invloves e-mail hacking, a defamatory article and some corrupt PSB officers.
In the meantime, I have screenshot this page and will get your IP information and correct name from Kiwiblog.
Just another loser to sue.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 6:32 am
It invloves e-mail hacking, a defamatory article and some corrupt PSB officers.
Hey! you really are some sort of walter mitty type character aren’t you? Very sad.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Swiss say ‘yes’ to expulsion of foreign criminals
5:30 AM Tuesday Nov 30, 2010
GENEVA – Swiss voters have approved a plan to automatically deport foreigners who commit serious crimes or benefit fraud, in a significant victory for the nationalist party that pushed the proposal against the will of the Government.
Almost 53 per cent of voters backed the proposal put forward by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party. The plan was opposed by 47.1 per cent of voters.
A Government-backed counter-proposal failed. It would have required case-by-case review by a judge before an individual was deported.
The Government will now have to draft a law requiring automatic expulsion of foreigners found guilty of crimes such as murder, rape, drug dealing or benefit fraud.
“The majority of voters have sent a clear signal that they consider foreign criminality to be a serious problem,” Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10690907
Wonder when we will do this? If ever!
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 8:06 am
I have nothing to hide.
I complained about the racist comments on that forum thebeijinger.
Comments such as these:
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2010/07/06/List-of-reasons-why-Chinese-men-are-all-closet-homos
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2010/06/27/faggy-spineless-piss-made-youths
Because, as I said before, though I am not a big fan of Chinese CCP, PSB or guanxi and corruption, I do like Chinese people as a whole, Chinese food and China. I spent nine years there and it is quite a special place.
But alas, I bit off more than I could chew when I started posting people’s real names with their comments.
There was no internet hacking or stalking involved.
The forum moderator (a journalist for some shit private English newspaper in Beijing) hacked into my e-mail accounts and then because the forum was also a magazine involving big bucks and Chinese with guanxi a Beijing PSB cop threatened I would be held in custody if I did not leave in three days.
There was no internet activity involved. He only questioned me about my book The Fake Celebrity in China (hardly a threat to national security) and my employment.
I left as I was leaving a month later anyway. But it did leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Then the “journalist” wrote a lying article that I was deported for internet stalking and spread it all around the NZ media and as many shit websites he could.
He later has denied writing it in an effort to escape defamation proceedings. But I will get him even though he is in hiding. I am suing him from the UK. And I will get retractions from the NZ media to clear my name.
Presently there is a complaint beijng dealt with by the Beijing PSB.
It will be a good test to see whether in 2010 corruption and guanxi extends beyond some low level PSB officers.
I have nothing to hide, especially not my real name.
The ridiculous thing is that only in China could such a racist forum exist (and still does).
It is protected by guanxi.
So now you know.
Personally, I get the impression you are just a troll and not particularly Chinese.
I wonder if anyone else get’s that idea.
Anyway, thanks for helping advertise my first novel. No publicity is bad publicity.
I am pretty excited about my second novel, set mostly in New Zealand and is about six months away from completion.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 8:14 am
By the way, I certainly wasn’t deported. I have the standard exit stamp not the red DEPORTED one. Because there was guanxi involved the last thing the PSB wanted was any later scandal and action by a lawyer/writer.
But the “defamatory” article pretty much reignited things and I am sure the Beijing PSB are as pissed off with the “journalist” as I was.
By even posting that I was deported here you are exposing yourself and Kiwiblog to defamation proceedings so I suggest you get them to remove your comments about that.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Well, I just took a screenshot of all your defamatory posts.
If you are in New Zealand you may find yourself served at some in the next year for defamation proceedings.
But I am guessing you are not even in NZ.
We will see.
Vote:November 30th, 2010 at 8:37 am
RobbieBlack, screenshooting Walter Mitty, if you are still in Munich as you claimed,
Vote:whether it is Bitburg or Warsteiner, or even wurst [if anything is], it is still obviously a shameful waste.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Well, I just took a screenshot of all your defamatory posts. If you are in New Zealand you may find yourself served at some in the next year for defamation proceedings.
hahahahah —are you really so unaware of how ridiculous you sound (or read)…..I await delivery of deformation proceedings, with bated breath…hahahahahahahah
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