Hell

November 18th, 2010 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Claire Trevett in the Herald reports:

When an invitation is issued to a remote place, it is polite to also provide directions – especially if the route involves the Highway to Hell.

A land protest group’s invitation to Treaty Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson to travel to Taipa to visit them came with a driver to ensure he did not get lost – the Maori Party’s Sat Nav, Hone Harawira.

However, Mr Finlayson’s counter-invite to those protesters to “go to hell” had Labour MP Shane Jones baffled.

Most people would agree with the Minister’s strong disapproval of an illegal occupation of private land.

Curious about this invitation, Mr Jones stood in Parliament yesterday to find out more. He put to Mr Finlayson that when he told the protesters to go to hell, “what directions did he have in mind and whom did he think they might meet there?”

The minister declined to provide the GPS co-ordinates or the current hosts.

However, he had some inkling of the likely future inhabitants, observing, “Well, isn’t dead yet.”

Heh.

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56 Responses to “Hell”

  1. James Stephenson (2,145 comments) says:

    Perhaps he meant Hull? They’re indistinguishable for all practical purposes.

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  2. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    They should know this.

    1. Head north on Molesworth St toward Hill St 300 m
    2. Turn left at Hawkestone St 250 m
    3. Turn left to merge onto Wellington Urban Motorway 1.9 km
    4. Take the exit toward Willis St 150 m
    5. Turn left at Willis St 500 m
    6. Turn right at Mercer St 90 m
    7. Continue onto Victoria St 90 m
    8. Turn right at Bond St, destination will be on the left 40 m, 14 Bond Street

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  3. grumpyoldhori (2,361 comments) says:

    David those so called protesters need more cunning, they need to have a look at council plans showing so called paper roads then go and squat on those.
    Now the majority of farmers will argue that it is their land even though they pay no rates on it.

    A locked gate across an unformed road, tsk tsk, you are doing a citizens duty to get the cops to get the gate open.

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  4. Rich Prick (1,670 comments) says:

    Heh Pete! Although, I would have thought Level 1 160-162 Willis Street is Hell’s address.

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  5. david (2,554 comments) says:

    Wherever it is, it is supposedly paved with good intentions. One would have thought that a few would have rubbed off on Trevor during his journey down the highway of life to date, but alas ……

    You can lead a whore to culture but you can’t make her think.

    And speaking of horticulture, Anderton has been very quiet about PSA and border security. David Parker however just keeps burbling as if any noise is good noise.

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  6. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    How much did this exchange of fucking wit cost us?

    Someone mention to them that they’re our employees please and less time arsing about on the shop floor during work hours would be of benefit at the next performance review.

    Which is not that far away.

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  7. Repton (769 comments) says:

    Most people would agree with the Minister’s strong disapproval of an illegal occupation of private land.

    Well, that’s what this is all about, isn’t it? If Maori land had been only bought legally, the Waitangi Tribunal wouldn’t exist…

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  8. kowtow (8,218 comments) says:

    If Labour hadn’t resuscitated the ragged treaty this wouldn’t be an issue.

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  9. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Dante described the nine circles of hell as including people guilty of lust, gluttony, avarice, wrath, heresy, violence, fraud and treachery.

    Do you think they would have to install stairs to accomodate Trev? ;)

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  10. GJ (329 comments) says:

    What most don’t realise it is a real place that you don’t want to end up in (although many joke about it). Not a good place to send anyone to!

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  11. m@tt (625 comments) says:

    Most people would agree with the Minister’s strong disapproval of an illegal occupation of private land.

    I’m not so sure about that. From the feedback I have read it appears most people agree that although this occupation is indeed foolish a minister should be somewhat more diplomatic in their response so as not to inflame an already bad situation.

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  12. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Most people would agree with the Minister’s strong disapproval of an illegal occupation of private land.

    sure, when its mostly white muthafuckas illegally occupying Pasifikan land and successive ministers legislating for centuries to ensure it remained so…

    …but put the shoe on the other foot and it’s a fucking outrage that will not be tolerated !!!

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  13. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    Nah
    John key’s sorted it.
    Chris Finlayson and the Maori have a plan in the second term to give them all the land they want when the heats died down in this term.
    They’ll go to his office and negotiate privately behind closed doors.

    That they allow an activist Judge to rewrite hundreds of years of law and not get pinged.
    They steal by subterfuge and weasel words (all of us) our ownership of the F/S.
    They subvert the supposed transparency of the democratic process.

    I guess they should be thankful we aren’t all like the jihadis

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  14. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    pollywog, if you support the principle of squatting on someone else’s land, why don’t you go up North and join them? Or perhaps you can’t be bothered?

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  15. Offshore_Kiwi (495 comments) says:

    “Most people would agree with the Minister’s strong disapproval of an illegal occupation of private land.”

    I don’t. I don’t agree with the Minister’s response at all. There has been a disappointing lack of rubber bullets and/or taser usage thus far.

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  16. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    of course you do know that it’s not a crime to squat on your own land eh Rodders ?

    and it’s my kids whanaunga, hapu and iwi that are already protesting up there so i’m well represented as is ?

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  17. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    pollywog, I presume your whakapapa hasn’t been contaminated with any pakeha blood. Because if it was, then that would make you a self-loathing hypocrite, wouldn’t it?

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  18. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    not so much ‘contaminated’ Rodders.

    Rather having had my gene pool deepened, widened and invigorated, I believe in merged streams of consciousness and that i, and the likes of my Pasifikan families, are the next step in mans evolutionary journey towards total enlightenment.

    physically, mentally and culturally we are what you and your future progeny are slowly becoming. Pasifikan by name Pasifikan by nature.

    but let me guess…

    you’re a pure blooded, short, fat, bald, little man, riddled with disease with fucked teeth who wears glasses and has a little diddle who thinks they own the world by virtue of an over inflated sense of your own self worth and that gives you the right to dictate how the rest of us should live and behave ?

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  19. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    pollywog, I should at least be grateful to you for making me laugh :D

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  20. KevinH (1,208 comments) says:

    Chris Finlayson is entitled to express some frustration with the Popata whanau for occupying the Taipa campgrounds. The Ngati Kahu are shortly to commence Treaty settlements with the Crown and this incident exacerbates the process, trivialising what is an important constitutional negotiation. Not that the Popata’s know or Hone Harawira for that matter, to them it is a sideshow whereas to others it is the future that should be worked towards together.

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  21. Offshore_Kiwi (495 comments) says:

    Kevin, it doesn’t exacerbate the process at all. It simplifies it. Finlayson can now say to Ngati Kahu “Until you put John Hatfield and his family of fuckwits back in their box, my wallet will remain shut. Now, FUCK OFF.” Like that’ll ever happen in the government of Neville Key.

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  22. Manolo (13,519 comments) says:

    What a cheek! Finlayson, the lawyer who has represented Iwi in the past, is the minister of Maori Affairs.
    Like asking the fox to look after the chooks.

    How Key didn’t see the obvious conflict of interest when he appointed him. Or do we have a much bigger game being played here?

    The Coastal Coalition should be ruffling a few feathers.

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  23. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    pollywog, I should at least be grateful to you for making me laugh :D

    …and i’m grateful white chicks are so easily rootable

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  24. Zapper (1,017 comments) says:

    GJ
    November 18th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    haha, that made me laugh more than that racist piece of scum pollywog did

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  25. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    of course you do know that it’s not a crime to squat on your own land eh Rodders ?

    I’m sure the Moriori would have an opinion on this, if there were any of them left, as would those who were here before them, and so on and so forth.

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  26. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    come into the light and breathe some fresh air Zapper, simply by pulling your head outta your arse

    …its not about race, it’s about culture and evolution

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  27. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    I’m sure the Moriori would have an opinion on this, if there were any of them left, as would those who were here before them, and so on and so forth.

    …successive waves of Pasifikans migrating to these shores since time immemorial and continuing right up to the present, with new migrants arriving every day.

    call em moriori or waitaha or samoan or maori whatever…we are Pasifikan

    why does whitey think we are a different people/race when we make no distinction of colonial eurocentrists ?

    Didn’t matter that y’all were american in hawaii, french in tahiti, german or NZ in samoa or british in NZ, your culture and colonial mindset of percieved superiority hiding behind a mask of christian righteousness marked you as white oppressors and betrayed your true agenda

    aint nothing much changed until we breed that out of you and assimilate you into the wider Pasifikan identity.

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  28. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,872 comments) says:

    Now these pricks have taken to hijacking tourist buses.

    When will the cops simply go in there, arrest the fuckers, cuff their hands and feet; throw them head first into the paddy wagon; transport them over the roughest roads in the north for five hours; before dumping them in the court cells at Whangarei?

    Let them eat the land. It’s called dust.

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  29. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    @polly – and how will you feel when my Melanesian brothers assimilate the Polynesians? Black is beautiful

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  30. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    When will the cops simply go in there, arrest the fuckers, cuff their hands and feet; throw them head first into the paddy wagon; transport them over the roughest roads in the north for five hours; before dumping them in the court cells at Whangarei?

    ANSWER : when the gov’t wants to escalate tit for tat reprisals and stir up the redneck majority in a wave of anti Maori sentiment and elicit a violent backlash…

    …maybe a couple weeks just before the next election to divert from how piss poor the current gov’ts record is ?

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  31. Zapper (1,017 comments) says:

    pollywog, I’m perfectly comfortable with where I am thanks. And from where I sit you spew racist hatred while at the same time accusing everyone else of doing it.

    You are delusional, sad and hypocritical. Stop blaming everyone else for a change.

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  32. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    @polly – and how will you feel when my Melanesian brothers assimilate the Polynesians? Black is beautiful

    you’re a bit late there TCrwdb

    we assimilated melanesians, micronesians and whatever other ‘nesians you got hiding in the bushes centuries ago

    we’re all about the inclusive Pasifikan wave now and are hard out working to breed the aberrant traits out of the eurocentrists

    and then eventually we’ll declare a united states of Pasifika, institute free trade, one currency and eliminate travelling visas between the islands

    i’m pickin we might have to invade fiji sometime soon though :)

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  33. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    pollywog, I’m perfectly comfortable with where I am thanks. And from where I sit…

    …going for the world record of ‘longest time with your head up your arse’ then eh ?

    it’s not racist hatred, it’s forcefully exposing the eurocentric cultural bias and cant say as i’ve ever accused anyone of racist hate…cultural elitism sure, but i just don’t buy the whole ‘race’ thing

    look, it’d be way easier if you just accepted the fact that i’m superior to you

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  34. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    pollywog, do you think there should be a point where we can say all treaty claims are settled?
    Clearly there’s still a lot of conflict and discriminatory attitudes embedded within the psyche of much of the populace, and I think that goes both ways. Except for a small portion of people I think everyone would welcome a world where nothing but how much sunscreen you wear is determined by the colour of your skin. That may be several generations away in NZ if there isn’t a satisfactory resolution to all treaty claims (in my opinion). Dragging it out keeps the conflict alive, which does nothing to improve ‘race’ relations.

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  35. david (2,554 comments) says:

    I’m not so sure that John Hatfield is over-keen on sharing the treaty settlements with the ‘nesians’ that pollywog describes, nor would he be ecstatic about being called a pacifikan. I get the impression that Maori consider themslves to have evolved a little faster than those who were left behind.

    But then I suppose you bait the trap by putting out some free tucker and see what comes around for a piece of the action.

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  36. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    RightNow…i think the sooner treaty claims are settled the better. Maori cannot unite under a single banner as long as the treaty guarantees individual sovereign nation status to each iwi.

    and iwi cannot form a united federation/maori parliament unless everyone can bring their resources to the collective table. neither can NZ become a republic until treaty claims are fully and finally settled.

    Its in everyones best interest to get it over and done with cos we need to sort out our lack of a constitution and finally cede from british rule as her subjects.

    if it means we become 2 peoples under different laws and governance then so be it. Thats what the treaty enshrined.

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  37. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    “if it means we become 2 peoples under different laws and governance then so be it.”

    Done!…I will take that deal today…..just as long as I am not funding them, no mofo funded benefits, no mofo funded health system, no mofo funded education system…nothing at all.

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  38. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    Polly is FOS. The concept of ‘pacifikan’ is BS, each ‘pacifikan’ or ‘pasifika’ group is as racist as the next. Samoans think they are superior, Tongans despise Samoans, Maori look down at ‘islanders’, PI’s born in NZ label those who migrate as FOB’s etc.

    Even polly’s concept of ‘pacifikan’ did not extend outside the polynesian triangle until I called him on it.

    There are over 12 million Melanesians resident in the Pacific, if there was to be ‘assimilation’ as polly dreams about then the few hundred thousand polynesians would absorbed into the melanesians and become another historical curiosity just as the Lapita are now.

    Anyway, cutting to the chase, pollywog doesn’t like whitey and no amount of dialog will change his mind.

    In the meantime the rest of the world get on with it.

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  39. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    I’m not so sure that John Hatfield is over-keen on sharing the treaty settlements with the ‘nesians’ that pollywog describes, nor would he be ecstatic about being called a pacifikan. I get the impression that Maori consider themslves to have evolved a little faster than those who were left behind.

    Hone doesnt have a choice. We’re assimilating him and Maori back into the wider culture as well.

    and if you talk to other Pasifikans you’ll hear that its not so much we were left behind as, we let Maori/Waitaha/Moriori, or whoever you want to call early Pasifikans, blaze the trail so we could follow later.

    There was never any discontinuance of migrants from the islands nor any difference in the base culture. Thats just some contentious points of academic distinction to reinforce a divide and conquer colonial mindset. We are one people and we’re not a race, we’re a superior hybrid. I’ts a shame many of us have chosen to forget that and buy into the great lie

    look, some of us even waited til whitey invented the aeroplane so we wouldn’t have a hard time of it in travelling here…how evolved and patient is that great example of forethought ?

    i know its a bit of a wakeup call for most of you but i’m just telling it like it is. whether you choose to believe me doesnt change the fact that we are re-asserting our god given rights over the minds, hearts, land and seas of Pasifika and whoever chooses to live in it.

    you can either get with the programme or die off.

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  40. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    “cutting to the chase, pollywog doesn’t like whitey and no amount of dialog will change his mind”

    This is part of an ongoing circle. Whitey doesn’t like browny because browny doesn’t like whitey. That’s why I asked about final settlements of treaty claims, because while those issues are still unresolved browny has this grievance with whitey. Once all the claims are settled it’ll probably only take a generation or two to be able to put that particular dispute behind us. While it won’t actually address the issue of ‘poor Maori’ (since largely it’s the Maori who are already quite affluent that benefit from the treaty settlements) it will at least remove one area of contention.

    Sadly even if all treaty claims were settled tomorrow in Maori’s favour (by which I mean settled with very generous terms) then it would still be at least one or two generations before that historic resentment could be let go. There’s no instant fix here.

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  41. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    then it would still be at least one or two generations before that historic resentment could be let go

    I’m not so optimistic, look at the Balkans, they’re still fighting over shit that happened 600+ years ago!

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  42. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Done!…I will take that deal today…..just as long as I am not funding them, no mofo funded benefits, no mofo funded health system, no mofo funded education system…nothing at all.

    Thats the plan…

    and no TCrwdb…dont flatter yourself. If i’d meant polynesians i would have said. As it is, i am part of a Pasifika body which includes melanesians, micronesians and PNGers, where tongans are married to cook islanders, samoans are married to maori and all that shit about the past is looked back on as history to which we have learnt from and are now looking towards a brighter inclusive future.

    I’m not talking about strictly physical assimilation, we did that in absorbing ‘black’ genes millenia ago and in my geneology we have now assimilated ‘caucasian’ genes as well. I’m talking mental/spiritual assimilation into a common cultural perspective based on shared values and those values coming from Pasifika, not Europe.

    like i’ve been saying for a while give us 2 more generations and we’l be running tings proper.

    I’m all for whitey coming here as long as they stop trying to make it like ‘little england’ or ‘little america’ or ‘little sth africa’ and accept that their ancestors tried and failed to make it so, but if they still want to then they can fuck off to Oz.

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  43. DJP6-25 (1,364 comments) says:

    [Rodders 10:07] So Socialists end up in the fraud and treachery section then -:)

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  44. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    No drama with that polly, sort out Otara and Manurewa then we can extend it further!!

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  45. david (2,554 comments) says:

    Equally pollywog there are more than a fewe of us who would object strongly to it becoming a “little tonga” or a “little samoa” with all the baggage those concepts bring.

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  46. TCrwdb (242 comments) says:

    then they can fuck off to Oz.

    Like the 100,000 Ngāti Skippy over there already?

    :)

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  47. tristanb (1,126 comments) says:

    we’re all about the inclusive Pasifikan wave now and are hard out working to breed the aberrant traits out of the eurocentrists

    With things such as predisposition to obesity and diabetes? Rheumatic fever and rheumatic heart disease? Short lifespans? Slow metabolism? Renal failure? Thalassemia?

    With little islands (either physical or social [i.e. exclusive religions]) you get some bad genes.

    I’m talking mental/spiritual assimilation into a common cultural perspective based on shared values and those values coming from Pasifika

    Umm, when you look at how Pasifika populations are performing in health and education I’m not sure if we want to be spreading those mental/cultural/”spiritual” values!

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  48. Offshore_Kiwi (495 comments) says:

    And in a terrifying journey from where this thread has gone, all the way back to THE POINT OF THE TOPIC, these people are terrorists and must be treated as such. An injection of a small amount of lead behind each one’s left ear, with the bill for the time & materials sent to the whanau.

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  49. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    That’s a nasty thing to suggest in a kindergarten.

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  50. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter…

    …be thankful Maori don’t take their forms of land protest from the irish or palestininans

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  51. Rex Widerstrom (5,349 comments) says:

    Finlayson is theologically confused. The concept of the Devil residing in Hell comes from Christian literature (Dante, Milton etc).

    But in the Bible, when God asked Satan where he had been, Satan replied, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it”. 1 Peter 5:8 declares, “Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour”.

    From this evidence it is only possible to conclude that Trevor Mallard is the Devil :-D

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  52. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Not sure Rex, I understood that some theologians argue that Satan was a fallen angel. Has Trev ever been any sort of angel?

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  53. adze (2,094 comments) says:

    Has Trev ever been any sort of angel?

    Hells Angels? Not a patch on Trev.

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  54. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Well adze, Trev does come from Wainuiamata ;)

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  55. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    oops, or even Wainuiomata – so much for the spell checker :)

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  56. Offshore_Kiwi (495 comments) says:

    Polly, seriously why would they? They tried that already and got their arses handed to them. They’ve had far more success with the racist settlements process than they ever had at the blunt end of a musket. Not only in getting land, cash and pretty much everything else they want gifted to them, but also in having history rewritten or invented to suit their cause. So why would they go the way of the IRA or the [arabs who are occupying parts of Israel]?

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